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What confuses me the most when it comes to these femme/masc discussions is that these poeple act like the majority of fanarts, fanfics, even analyses, don't characterize lestat as the masc one.
He is predominantly the top (and even though they are CANONICALLY vers, bottom lestat is very much unpopular), he is drawn taller, bigger, more mascular than Sam actually is. He is also usually "the husband" , "the father", and I would say that even the fact that he is seen as less vulnerable plays into that trope. Of course Louis being seen as the total opposite.
It is disingenuous to act like your opinion will take away all of those popular interpretations or that you have taken away all Louis' feminine traits by doing your own research behind some fan readings. And the fact is that many of them are based on modern standards of what it means to be masculine/feminine,on the way poeple see gay men as more feminine by default or are simply already largely accepted by the fandom.
As you've said already, neither of them are exclusively masc or femme! And at the end of the day caring more about a fictional character than about the fact that there is a real person behind the screen you are calling names or making negative assumptions about is weird. Especially when that person has been open to fair and real discussions from the beginning.
Sorry for the ask being so long but the way some people act on the internet without any care or consideration really bothers me. Hope you had a good day despite all of this!
I hope you don't mind me grouping all your asks together like this, because I really appreciate you all being so supportive and engaged with the discussion, and think you do bring up some different and interesting points, most of which I agree with, some I don't necesarily (in particular, I wouldn't say Louis' just Jacob once he's stopped performing masculinity, but I appreciate too that there are some mannerisms there that do feel more informed by Jacob's own movements/experiences than in other periods of Louis' life), but I feel like I've said all I really want to say about it at this point.
So! Links! Because yeah, I've been pretty baffled by people being so vitriolic about different interpretations of the dynamic, given masc!Lestat x fem!Louis is far and away the most popular interpretation, which I talked about a while ago here, and I do tend to see it as an exercise in trying to control the fandom and iterations of Louis' character that may appear in fandom spaces, which I talked about here and here along with the pervasiveness of gender essentialism in these conversations (although I guess they finally did respond directly and off anon lol). I know a lot of you are responding specifically to this post, but the fashion and nails I talk about here, and - - yeah. I think I'm just going to leave it there for now, if that's okay?
Thank you all though for these thoughtful asks, they were really interesting to read (and honestly, it's nice to feel some resonance in both directions), and I'm grateful for the flurry of support after yesterday. I'm fine though (yoga helped, haha), and I'm really just ready to move on from it honestly. Hopefully that cohort did just block me, as they tagged they would, and we can enjoy our own spaces in the fandom playground. :-)
#i will say it didn't actually occur to me that louis being gay and lestat being bi might play into how people interpret them#which is wild in hindsight because....yeah it probably does#and something i know i'll probably be thinking about a lot#so that's a really interesting observation anons#as for the competitiveness#idk#i think it's probably mostly telling of social media creating this culture of stan wars#i'm not in the br*dgerton fandom really although i've written a fic for it#but a friend of mine is and tells me about the in-fighting there between ships which is kind of nuts given the romances aren't#in competition?#idk i like to take a parallel play approach to fandom personally haha#also the point about long hair being out of fashion in france by 1794!#you made me go fact check that and that's fascinating!#kind of works with lestat not updating his wardrobe before louis was like 'you need a makeover if i'm going to be seen in public with you'
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this is silly.
inspo.
#hazbin hotel#lucifer morningstar#lilith morningstar#charlie morningstar#lucilith#my art#what charlie's gender is isn't important to them they're just competitive lmao#they're supportive 100%
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Safety.
#fanart#curly mouthwashing#mouthwashing game#wrong organ#captain curly#mouthwashing spoilers#mouthwashing anya#anya mouthwashing#when i'm in a making the worst decisions possible competition and my opponent is Captain Curly#mouthwashing fanart#mouthwashing
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In a happy world where Jason is legally resurrected and gets to go to college like he's always dreamed of
#this was going to be a quick little thing and ended up consuming the better part of a day#why am I like this#while we discuss batfam doing sports just for the fun of absolutely crushing the competition#I raise you quarter back Jason#He's got killer aim I'm told#jason todd#jason todd fanart#batfamily#batfamily fanart#gotham knights#gotham university#gotham sports#gotham knights football#bruce wayne#barbara gordon#dick grayson#cassandra cain#stephanie brown#tim drake#duke thomas#damian wayne#gothamites are scary#singswan-springswan art
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commensalism between slime monsters and certain varieties of fish
#slime#slime monster#commensalism#symbiosis#fantasy worldbuilding#the slime migrates back to the seasonal creek during the spring. because it can't handle the competition around the larger pond
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That's that shit eating grin that practically screams "Harder! HARDER!" except the homoerotic subtext is a tripwire they're crash landing through
#that's that bratty sub grin#that's that power bottom grin#your honor the murderous gleam in his eye has captivated me#deadclaws#poolverine#logan howlett#wade wilson#ryan reynolds#hugh jackman#deadpool#wolverine#deadpool and wolverine#let comic book characters fight as foreplay#let comic book characters WHO CAN REGENERATE/SELF HEAL fight as foreplay#god who coordinated this fight? was ryan one of them? was hugh one of them?#tell me hugh improvised that grin and needed the camera on him when he did it#tell me his competitive people pleasing theater kid ass refused to let ryan give all the fanservice
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So Maushold just won a regional.
Here's every time the crowd chanted along to Population Bomb during the finals :
#It's Pachirisu all over again#pokemon#pokemon vgc#competitive pokemon#pokemon sv#pokemon scarlet and violet
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Post patrol family game night goes awry ...
Meme reference under cut
#dreamer doodles#gintama batfam#batfam#batfamily#dick grayson#nightwing#bruce wayne#batman#tim drake#robin#robin iii#still don't know how i feel about this one#just glad to have another WIP done#bruce and dick can't help getting competitive#tim's just happy to be there :3c
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Stelle has the most devious of smirks
#hsr#honkai star rail#hsr sampo#sampo koski#hsr sunday#hsr jiaoqiu#jiaoqiu#hsr stelle#fanart#Stelle would beat them all in a staring competition
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#everyone else can pack it up like there’s no beating them in the freak4freak competition#hannibal#nbc hannibal#will graham#hannigram#hannibal lecter#nbc hannigram#hugh dancy#mads mikkelsen
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Everybody looking at Elphie and she only got eyes for Glinda......jesus christ
#this movie was just a heart eyes competition#they're gonna be the death of me#elphaba thropp#elphie#gelphie#glinda upland#glinda x elphaba#wicked part 1#wicked movie#wicked part one#wicked#wlw#ariana grande#cynthia erivo
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William Afton into the FNAF-verse
#myart#chloesimagination#comic#william afton#dave miller#steve raglan#dayshift at freddy's#the fourth closet#fnaf movie#sister location#dsaf#dsaf dave#dsaf fanart#fnaf#fnaf fanart#five nights at freddy's#spiderverse#I’m so sorry for this comic guys#I couldn’t get this idea out of my head#HUGE DAY for DSAF likers though!!#Book Dave doesn’t really like DSAF Dave pff#also finally drew my game William design again#also first time drawing anything from the fourth closet!#so many firsts SO many wills#don’t gotta worry about them all meeting up#cause I doubt the wills will get along enough to do anything evil#just an ego competition
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guy doesnt know what pins n needles are
( part1-2/? ?)
(start) (<next part>)
#gravity falls#stanford pines#bill cipher#billford#he doesnt really knowhow to construct a humanform so his nerves are a bit fucked#bitch decided that 'oh you made mefeel funny so im gonna play with your emotions now'#ford is more so interested in bill as a creature ratherthan an god being in this world so hes just studying her#cue the date#(it willbe next)#why must he make everything a competition
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Danny Kills the Joker AU
Danny is on the run in gotham, as you do in dpxdc fics. His parents are dead and he is trying to stay out of Vlad's custody. Gotham has plenty of ectoplasm to hide his ecto signature. It also has a high enough population of homeless people that no one would even notice Danny just showing up.
He's been living rough in gotham, mostly sticking to Crime Alley and The Narrows, sleeping in abandoned buildings or in relatively clean parts of the sewer system. He eats what he can find and does his best never to be seen.
Not good enough since he along with like 30 other street kids get picked up by joker goons and tied up. Joker is planning an explosive party for the city to watch and he needed guests. Joker literally set up bombs of joker gas around the city that will go off and send the entire city into pandemonium, killing millions. The only way to stop the bombs is to kill his guests (homeless kids from Crime Alley) which the city can vote on. Kill themselves or kill kids.
Danny is sitting at the edge of the group, listening as Joker televises his new plan to the entire city.
He really, really hates clowns.
He is also not gonna let this guy kill all of these kids. He may not be a hero anymore but those protection instincts didnt die with his parents.
And also fuck that clown.
He phases through his bonds, and then starts asking the various kids to borrow their hat, gloves, and scarf. Gotham street kids take one look at this out of town kid and mentally wish him luck while planning out his funeral. They keep on acting terrified because as stupid as this kid is being, they're not snitches either.
Danny puts on the borrowed clothes to hide his face and hair. He can't be identified, or Vlad is gonna be on his ass tomorrow. Once fully covered he gets up and into view of the camera. The Joker notices him, turns around to laugh and jeer at him. Probably shoot him for being impolite and interrupting him. Danny doesnt even pause just walks right up to the clown and coldcocks him.
Based on the sound of bones snapping Danny admits he might have punched a little too hard. Danny checks the Jokers pulse and immediately panics. Danny has Batman levels of fear around killing and he is panicking about becoming Dan.
"Holy Shit I killed him!" He says, to the entire city because the camera is still rolling.
Cue:
Danny running for his life, trying to hide away from his fear and guilt.
Red Hood becoming like his dad and drawing up mental adoption papers
Harley Quinn also drawing up adoption papers, paper ones, while Poison Ivy changes their home's 'no boys allowed' banner to 'son boy allowed'
Jokers goons trying to find Danny to kill him for killing their boss
City wide pandemonium as the jokers death is confirmed and people are partying in the streets, the mayor is planning on giving the street kid who did it the key to the fucking city
The batfam trying to find Danny to protect him from Jokers Goons (Bruce is third in line for custody not that he knows he is gonna have to fight both Harley and Jason for the honor)
The crime alley kids are still not snitching on the kid who saved them. Anyone who asks them about Danny only respond with 'what are you a cop? Fuck off pig'
Vlad Masters, as someone who has been punched by Danny, immediately recognizes the punch and flies to Gotham to find his wayward 'son'.
Vlad even meets with Brucie Wayne to ask for help in finding Danny. Bruce gets bad vibes from Vlad and is even more invested in finding Danny. The boy has dark hair, blue eyes, and a tragic orphan backstory. Its fate!
Danny meanwhile is hiding in some sewer somewhere breathing into a paper bag as he panics about becoming a world ending threat.
#danny phantom#dpxdc#dp crossover#dp x dc crossover#danny kills the joker#danny and bruce are in a competition over their guilt complexes#impossible to tell who will win#jason is like 20 and ready to be a father#batman#jason todd#harley quinn#dc joker
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