#immortal but not invulnerable
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The Mayor as whumper and Macaque as whumpee, you say? 👀
BOY ANON U BETTER BE CAREFUL U DON'T ACTIVATE MY UNSKIPPABLE CUTSCENE
#squid speaks#answers#anonymous#i LOVE whumping mac#so this isn't news#but i do LOVE doing it#he checks all the fun boxes#immortal but not invulnerable#non human#past trauma to exploit#notable features to exploit (ears)#SNARKY bastard#bites back (which gets him hurt more)#like basically just an excellent whumpee#and LBD is an EXCELLENT whumper for like#mental and conidtioning whump#or magical#but for just beating the shit out of him? mayor#mayor is where its AT#cuz hes cold and unfeeling but also efficient and the grin and laugh and voice#and we even see him EASILY overpower mac in shadowplay#so excellent power imbalance where there shouldnt be one#like mac is crazy powerful and yet the mayor has his number#anyways i should have put these tags in the post but oops#i Will ramble more about this if you want i LOVE mac whump and mayor in particular is so good#core mac has a Complicated history with his mayor#its great#lmk core au#yeah ill tag it as that#whump
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oc pride challenge 2024 (Day 10): Tropes of a Bisexual OC
(Functionally) Immortal Bisexual: Reyna Ramon
Reyna's not really immortal, certainly not like Nora is, but with the power to see the past, present, future, and even other timelines at her fingertips...she might as well be, even if she insists otherwise.
(Not to mention her capability to stop a speedster in their tracks and relive every iteration of time travel a speedster sets in motion, if given proper training. If only the idea of honing her powers didn’t freak her out so much.)
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#opc24#oc: reyna ramon#fyeaharrowverseocs#the flash#listen you CANNOT convince me that breachers/vibers/etc aren’t functionally immortal#you can’t have all that power to tap into ANY POINT IN TIME and not be basically immortal/invulnerable#(makes her the perfect gf for a speedster 👀)
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2008 Betty Ross is the most underrated MCU character. I hope Marvel never ever puts her in a movie again because there's no way they could write her as good on purpose as they did by complete accident
#the joy of becoming abnormally obsessed with an extremely mediocre film#marvel#mcu#the incredible hulk#granted the bar is low for mid-2000s Superhero Girlfriends(tm) but if they wrote her today they'd probably just girlboss her#no! she is smart and tough AND sensitive and soft spoken!#and potentially immortal/invulnerable! which i think was just inconsistent writing but would make a great setup for a sequel!
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Michael has tried all his friends blood at least once (except for gwen because she's a kid and he's against causing any pain to anyone under 20) his least favorite blood flavor was Ethan's blood (tastes stale also moldy) and his favorite blood flavor was benrey's blood (his blood looks rainbow and tastes like skittles even for normal people)
#goobie snoobery#michael afton#the interdimentional mall#the mangle weed trio#the gang#hlvrai benrey#ethan winters#he literally tried Ethan's blood and said ew very loudly and then washed his mouth out because of the taste#he likes ethan alot its just his blood tastes horrible#most of his other friends tasted like regular blood but in some cases it tasted “magical” (his words for it btw)#although he cant make simon bleed due to his form of immortality (being invulnerable)#simon is the go to chew toy for Michael because he knows he cant hurt simon
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The end of that FMA video is fun because there is an entirely canon complaint way for him to have survived all that but it is implausible because the character is too dumb.
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very funny that, as someone who doesn't particularly enjoy vampire media, I have two separate vampire wip ideas that I personally think are excellent. maybe there's a reason they've both pretty much stalled at the idea stage tho
#sorry vampires just aren't that scary or sexy to me#like ok sure#anyway what I'm more interested in is the mechanics of immortality/invulnerability being transmittable#<<the foundation of one of them#and then the other is more about like...being irrevocably changed but you have to keep it a secret#like I get it. I get how the drinking blood thing can go really hard for some people#I am just personally not into it#and yet
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Would you still love me if I stole a plot point from a middle grade book and applied it to bayverse megop
#the whole thing to be as brief as I can:#MC’s boyfriend who is completely invulnerable immortal and horrendously evil#got put under a sleeping spell because that was the only way to stop his tyranny#and to ensure his imprisonment she buries him in a cave that will be Eve further buried by an earthquake#and then she forced herself to flee to an unknown continent#because she can see the futures where she becomes so heartachingly unbearably lonely#she would cave in and dig up him up and break the sleeping spell#obviously dooming everyone to his tyranny#now apply this to the ending of 2007 where they drop Megatron’s body into the deepest part of the Atlantic#do you understand my vision
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Oh yeah if anyone wants to talk about interactions between Toliman dimension hopping and their AU feel free to send asks
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also I smacked my wife's ass so hard yesterday I subluxed my elbow and she just looked at me and scoffed and said "is that all you got" ma'am im fucking trying. also, rude
#we have broken countless things on her ass and I've yet to leave a mark#it's a mission of spite (romantic) at this point tbh#her ass is invulnerable. immortal#her neck? not so much. but dat ass tho#anyways my arm still hurts. and i still have so much shit to stir#literaphorically speaking
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finally finished reworking herc's bio to encompass more of his history but forgive me for how brief some of it is....... im still..... reading his old adventures,
#i oversimplified a lot but yknow what. it gets the point across#also loved putting herc's skills and weaknesses on this new setup#the skills feel so much like. super op strong oc from playground make-believe with your friends#yes hercules is immortal and invulnerable and super strong he can hold the entire planet up he's sooo strong#anyway. thank u for ur time.#ooc | it is sea shanty time my fellow bastards of the ocean
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well immortality is notably made up and is used to refer to everything from unaging to undying. but my question is how much free energy you could ethically squeeze out of an undying human
"immortality sucks because all your friends die" all your friends die anyway. those we do not mourn are those who mourn us.
"immortality sucks because you forget who you are" we always forget who we are. do you remember who you were at four years of age? who you were at fourteen? "who i am" is a shadow cast on the wall.
"immortality sucks because" skill issue. skill issue. skill issue. give me your liver
#imo immortal should be reserved for unaging#invulnerable should be reserved for immunity to harm#bc like. cmon. vampires are immortal
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i don't care what anyone says, i would become immortal if given the choice. i to experience as much as possible and none of the potential downsides are enough to make me change my mind
#though i do think the biggest dowqnside would be like#outliving the planet#i don't wanna do that unless space travel technology gets reeeaaal good#i'd be like a not-invulnerable immortal#hypothetically i can be killed but i'm not gonna just die of old age or anything
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anything in particular that he’s guilty about or just general religious guilt?
Realistically i (as a fellow north african diaspora muslim) think nino, who i assume is the mildest flavor of religious possible, would be having a very long very quiet internal crisis the entire time.
"ok so there's this magic (demon ???) spirit turtle creature who makes me invulnerable and gives me fancy supernatural abilities (deal with demon ???) for about half an hour once or twice a week depending on whether or not ladybug needs me but it's chill its not witchcraft bro i promise you its some other shit. bro. also the magic turtle says its billions of years old and is immortal. but ITS CHILL. ITS NOT A DEMON. ITS NOT LYING TO ME. IM FRIENDS WITH THE TURTLE. WE'RE FRIENDS.
oh my best friend is a creature created using one of the not-demons ? he's not included in the religious text i was raised with and believe in ? that renders him technically soulless ? ok. ok. im choosing to ignore the ramifications."
here is a mouse drawn artistic rendition of the senti-adrien reveal from nino's perspective
#silu's art#silu responds#nino lahiffe#i might or might not have plans for a oneshot about this premise#mlb la terreur au
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Neat, thank you :)
Also on that last part, Wukong is "really immortal," just as all the rest of the immortals are. Immortality is the inability to die (typically of natural causes ie age or sickness). Invulnerability means unable to be physically defeated (killed or injured to the point of death, sometimes also including sickness). You don't need to be invulnerable to be immortal, and you don't need to be immortal to be invulnerable.
A lot of people (largely because Western literature/mythology never really needing to differentiate between the two) think they have to be one in the same and say "Well he's not really immortal since he can be killed," which is wrong. Using your candle metaphor, if a candle can burn forever but be snuffed out by an outside force, it's immortal. If a candle can't be snuffed out by an outside force but will eventually burn out, it's invulnerable. If a candle can neither burn out or be snuffed out, it's both.
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I've heard the idea that Monkey is 7 times immortal thrown around a couple times, but my count has only ever gone up to 4 (the peaches, the pills, the wine, and his daoist studies). How immortal IS Monkey?
I count at least six levels of immortality.
1) Daoist Longevity Arts - Ch. 2
I discuss the exact methods here.
A photomanipulation by me.
2) Erasing Allotted Lifespan - Ch. 3
[After Monkey is summoned to hell in his sleep and thereafter threatens to beat the Judges of Hell for their mistake] The Ten Kings immediately had the judge in charge of the records bring out his [Sun's] books for examination. The judge, who did not dare tarry, hastened into a side room and brought out five or six books of documents and the ledgers on the tens species of living beings ... He [Monkey] had, therefore, a separate ledger, which Wukong examined himself. Under the heading "Soul 1350" he found the name Sun Wukong recorded, with the description: "Heaven-born Stone Monkey. Age: three hundred and forty-two years. A good end." Wukong said, "I really don't remember my age. All I want is to erase my name. Bring me a brush." The judge hurriedly fetched the brush and soaked it in heavy ink. Wukong took the ledger on monkeys and crossed out all the names he could find in it. Throwing down the ledger, he said, "That ends the account! That ends the account! Now I'm truly not your subject" (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, pp. 140-141).
A print from the Japanese children book Son Goku (1939).
3) Immortal Peaches - Ch. 5
[After being appointed the guardian of the Queen Mother of the West's immortal peach groves] The Great Sage ... asked the local spirit, "How many trees are there?" "There are three thousand six hundred," said the local spirit. "In the front are one thousand two hundred trees with little flowers and small fruits. These ripen once every three thousand years, and after one taste of them a man will become an immortal enlightened in the Way, with healthy limbs and a lightweight body. In the middle are one thousand two hundred trees of layered flowers and sweet fruits. They ripen once every six thousand years. If a man eats them, he will ascend to Heaven with the mist and never grow old. At the back are one thousand two hundred trees with fruits of purple veins and pale yellow pits. These ripen once every nine thousand years and, if eaten, will make a man's age equal to that of Heaven and Earth, the sun and the moon..." One day he [Monkey] saw that more than half of the peaches on the branches of the older trees had ripened, and he wanted very much to eat one and sample its novel taste. Closely followed, however, by the local spirit of the garden, the stewards, and the divine attendants of the Equal to Heaven Residence, he found it inconvenient to do so. He therefore devised a plan on the spur of the moment and said to them, "Why don't you all wait for me outside and let me rest a while in this arbor?" The various immortals withdrew accordingly. That Monkey King then took off his cap and robe and climbed up into a big tree. He selected the large peaches that were thoroughly ripened and, plucking many of them, ate to his heart's content right on the branches. Only after he had his fill did he jump down from the tree. Pinning back his cap and donning his robe, he called for his train of followers to return to the residence. After two or three days, he used the same device to steal peaches to gratify himself once again One day the Lady Queen Mother decided to open wide her treasure chamber and to give a banquet for the Grand Festival of Immortal Peaches, which was to be held in the Palace of the Jasper Pool. She ordered the various Immortal Maidens ... to go with their flower baskets to the Garden of Immortal Peaches and pick the fruits for the festival ... [After meeting with the Great Sage's ministers] The local spirit went into the garden with them; they found their way to the arbor but saw no one. Only the cap and the robe were left in the arbor, but there was no person to be seen. The Great Sage, you see, had played for a while and eaten a number of peaches. He had then changed himself into a figure only two inches high and, perching on the branch of a large tree, had fallen asleep under the cover of thick leaves (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, pp. 161-162).
A new years print found online.
4) Immortal Wine - Ch. 5
Our Great Sage could not make an end of staring at the scene [the heavenly feast set for the Immortal Peach Banquet] when he suddenly felt the overpowering aroma of wine ... standing beside the jars and leaning on the barrels, he abandoned himself to drinking. After feasting for a long, he became thoroughly drunk... [...] [After returning to Flower Fruit Mountain and meeting with his children, he says] "When I was enjoying myself this morning at the Jasper Pool, I saw many jars and jugs in the corridor full of the juices of jade [yuye qiongjiang, 玉液瓊漿; lit: "Jade liquid and jade syrup"], which you have never savored. Let me go back [to heaven] and steal a few bottles to bring down here. Just drink half a cup, and each of you will live longer without growing old" ... He took two large bottles, one under each arm, and carried two more in his hands. Reversing the direction of his cloud, he returned to the monkeys in the cave. They held their own Festival of Immortal Wine [Xianjiu hui, 仙酒會], with each one drinking a few cups" (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, pp. 165 and 167).
A screenshot from the 1986 Journey to the West TV show.
5) Immortal Elixir - Ch. 5
[After Sun Wukong drunkenly stumbles into Laozi's laboratory in the Tushita Heaven] He found no one but saw fire burning in an oven beside the hearth, and around the oven were five gourds in which finished elixir was stored. "This thing is the greatest treasure of immortals," said the Great Sage happily. "Since old Monkey has understood the Way and comprehended the mystery of the Internal's identity with the External, I have also wanted to produce some golden elixir on my own to benefit people. While I have been too busy at other times even to think about going home to enjoy myself, good fortune has met me at the door today and presented me with this! As long as Laozi is not around, I'll take a few tablets and try the taste of something new." He poured out the contents of all the gourds and ate them like fried beans (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, p. 166).
A detail from the 1835 Japanese translation of Journey to the West.
6) Ginseng Tree Fruit - Ch. 24
In the mountain there was a Daoist Abbey called the Five Villages Abbey [Wu zhuang guan, 五莊觀]; it was the abode of an immortal whose Daoist style [name] was Master Shenyuan [Shenyuan zi, 鎮元子] and whose nickname was Lord, Equal to Earth [Shi tong jun, 世同君]. There was, moreover, a strange treasure grown in this temple, a spiritual root that was formed just after chaos had been parted and the nebula had been established prior to the division of Heave and Earth. Throughout the four great continents of the world, it could be found in only the Five Villages Abbey in the West Aparagodaniya Continent. This treasure was called grass of the reverted cinnabar [cao huan dan, 草還丹], or the ginseng fruit [renshen guo, 人參果]. It took three thousand years for the plant to bloom, another three thousand years to bear fruit, and still another three thousand years before they ripened. All in all, it would be nearly ten thousand years before they could be eaten, and even after such a long time, there would be only thirty such fruits. The shape of the fruit was exactly that of a newborn infant not yet three days old, complete with the four limbs and the five senses. If a man had the good fortune of even smelling the fruit, he would live for three hundred and sixty years; if he ate one he would reach his forty-seven thousandth year. [After Wukong learns the complicated method of harvesting the fruit] Parting the leaves and branches, he knocked three of the fruits into the sack ... The three of them [Monkey and his brothers] took the fruits and began to enjoy them (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, pp. 453 and 462-463).
Monkey holding ginseng tree fruit. Image found online.
This previous article talks about the history of this magical fruit.
An important note
Sun Wukong is not really immortal, just long-lived and hard to kill. Immortality in Ming to Qing-era popular literature means that you can live for a long time but still die if injured badly enough. Think of it like an infinitely long candle being blown out instead of having a chance to burn for centuries or eons. For example, Investiture of the Gods (Fengshen yanyi, 封神演義, c. 1620), a sort of prequel to Journey to the West, is full of immortals killed in battle with heavenly weapons. Some even have their immortality sapped away before dying in one of many celestial traps. The biggest of these traps is the "Ten Thousand Immortal Array" (Wanxian zhen, 萬仙陣), so named because it can apparently kill myriad transcendents.
I commonly suggest that Monkey's levels of immortality just make him more durable than your average celestial.
Source:
Wu, C., & Yu, A. C. (2012). The Journey to the West (Vols. 1-4) (Rev. ed.). Chicago, Illinois: University of Chicago Press.
#the invulnerability vs immortality debate will be the death of me istg#sun wukong#journey to the west#also yes there is the concept of “true immortality” which covers both but thats another conversation#too many different opinions on that one oml
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The spell worked. In a flash, the entire world was rendered dead. All plants and animals were killed in under a second, reduced to skeletons and dead plant life. Except… for you. You failed to read the fine print: You are now completely immortal, unaging, and invulnerable.
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started thinking about it because apparently i’m in my complain about brainless tv shows era but my god silas from tvd was such a missed opportunity
#personal#for one i think silas never should have revealed his physical form#hell i think even silas's gender should have been a question mark that was never resolved#because they always just imitate other people with no regard for gender or sexuality#for two i hate that they went with 'first immortal is just a vampire but hates the word vampire' NO#have silas be the first immortal and that's it: immortal#a vampire isn't just a vampire because they live forever they gotta die first and all that and ALSO#vampirism comes with a host of powers like super strength and super speed and a degree of invulnerability#which silas shouldn't have. silas should literally just be immortal. ageless and incapable of dying#the closest we get to invulnerability is that any wound or trauma can harm but it just won't be enough to kill#silas'll never lose too much blood or a head wound will never be entirely incapacitating and any attempt at stabbing#will always just miss the heart#and have the mind control powers come from the fact that silas was a some kinda witch before immortality#since it's ancient greece (apparently? god julie.) just have silas be part of a now extinct coven of powerful witches#and therefore there is no understanding the powers silas has available because the knowledge is just straight up lost now it's not there#and so silas is unkillable and most importantly entirely reliant on powers and mental prowess and trickery#it's not about who can fight the best now it's about whether they can possibly outsmart this insanely old and wicked and shifty person#that they know nothing about they don't even know what silas looks like#that's what it should have been god it's so annoying
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