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suspicious things

I have a question about many things that I get suspicious about in black clover ..??

1-In the entire série until now we don't know anything about asta's origin .ok we know his mum licita ,but really we don't even know where licita came from in the first place (her origin) . We didn't see her grimoir or her last name or anything about her and that make that more complicated

2- we saw in the chapter 328 the flashback of libee and licita when she told him about asta .that's normal but the sus thing is

"I will not see him again" why?? She can just watch him from afar like ciel did (yuno's mum) and we can see in the end of flashback that they were nearby the village hage so why she even see him?

3- licita said that she was so happy when asta was born healthy without any issue "" but asta actually has an issue "he was born without mana" so why she said that and she gave up on him beacaue of her curse .How she get that illness and when exactly ?

And asta don't have mana so he can live with her like libe does so that make think that her curse is not the real reason to give up on her son ...and she said that she will never see him again .. maybe because she knowed that she will die ...

4-licita gave up on asta the 4th October and she found libe in the same night ( nearly the morning of 5th october) is that just a qouincedence or there's something or person behind that .And how licita found the fifth leaves clover grimoir ?? Neither that libe and asta look like twins.

5- Allen fiairain . Zinon's childhood friend .I dnk why but I feel like his death story isn't like that .maybe that lucius illuse zinon that he's the one that killed Allen but that's not true" and I think also that Allen is not originally from the spade kingdom" . Even licita when she died or maybe nearly to death she holded the grimoir but how that grimoir get the tower . Did someone found licita and took the grimoir to the tower .. or maybe licita herself . Maybe she and Allen are related ( same family) and the have secrets and that knowed that asta should be the owner of that grimoir no matter what with libe inside of it.

6- the man of the tower is the only one that noticed since the beginning that asta actually has the fifth leaves so why he kept it secret .why he didn't tell him??or maybe he know something that no one should know about it

7- when yuno came from the spade kingdom to the churche (by ralf's dad's magic) asta wasn't there . And when licita left asta .yuno wasn't there. So how they ended up together in the same time ?? And from all the churches in 4 kingdomes and both ended up in the same church and the same kingdom,

8- I think asta is not from any of the 4 kingdomes because he's not originally from the clover kingdomes not from diamend .not from heart .And not from speed kingdom(as Allen he was talking the zinon about wars "in that kingdom" like he said and His behavior is suggestive that he is foreigner ). And like any fan else I want so bad to know asta's father and his original identitie .

9-sister Lily was and still a big sus for me . She only joined as nun in the age of 16 years old after few years after asta and yuno . Even she's the one that gave them the idea of being the wk in the future and she was so special that the elve assumed that she's not a normal person(a noble actually with a powerful mana ) and that did' t stop there she appeared in the color page many times like she's important in the séries from the start . And even she's the only one that get shosed to be a paladin (Not noelle or mimosa as royality with a great power or secre as a powerful noble ) so maybe she hide something too

Maybe she had connection with the man of the tower or ciel (they look like twins hh) .or even she knew their origins from the start and she had a mission to protect them (same as the man of the tower)And the both knew about licht's son and libe

10- that's the most thing that I got confused about:

*yami iskeid to clover kingdom

*William ran away from his family

And the both met Julius

*acier Silva got killed by mecigula

*Luis grinberriyal got killed by belthibub (ciel survived I don't know how)

*licita got killed by Lucifer

*asta and yuno ended up in the same place

*Julius became the wk

==all that happened at the same year!!!

==my opinion that astaroth is the one who played all this . Reviving two souls in one body .control one of them with his power (seeing the future and get answers ."lucius")and the other should be in a graet height statue that's why he ordered mecigula to kill acier ( the promoted to be the next wizard queen )

And because of the legend of the fifth leaves in clover kingdom. The true form of magic in heart kingdom and the creation of strong mages in diamond kingdom .they became in his plane .

11- asta's swords that originally belong to licht right ?that how that grimoir still 500 years to chose asta and get founded by licita also the swords and libe assumed that he's not the owner of the grimoir so it belongs to ata .So how a grimoir of devils chose a human ( the witch queen confirmed that our boy is 100%human) and that make me confused me more

12-Second thing if asta was born normal like any other person that maybe means that he has mana or other source of energie or power from his family?? That he was powerful since his birth (kiking the father he even make him bleed) and he didn't damage at all with stealing life force (mars and zagret as examples )or with soul changing (lucius ) either the abilitie of talking with souls (exp:patrie in episode 116)or seeing the memories (patrie and libe) or even sense people 's exixstance place (yuno in episode 17 . The girl and valtos . Also yuno in episode 115 . Luck in episode 104..). His great life force and strenght to inspiring people . He was able to use libe 's power without contract (the usual that anay person that want to use a devil power he should do a contract and he should be strong (noble)with powerful mana but asta used anti magic without a contract and without mana hhh like nacht said he 's different from all the other devil hostes . So that make me think that asta actually born with power that he awake it slowly through time without noticing and the greatest part of that power still inside him(not awaken yet) so the anti magic.

The ki and the next power up that he will get with ryuya are just sources that helps him to awake his true power someday .

13- in the last chapter 337 we saw that asta met yami's childhood friend or that what asta conclude .ryuya didn't say that they are childhood friends he said that he knew him but my theory that they are brothers if not they are cousins...

And that the dwarfs belong originally to the land of the sun with a great legend about them that's why there's dolls that look like charmy(100%charmy hhh)

14- charmy !!! I think that one of her parents from land of sun because she is hybrid of course and yami's family done something not acceptable so our yami protected his sister and got the lame of his clans death and run away but with lucius actions he ended up in the clover kingdom

15- the witch queen assumed that the reason why asta doesn't have magic or for real can't manifest his mana because of mutation in his genetics so that make me think that asta originally have mana but when he was in the womb and licita got cursed she didn't drain anything from asta because of the mutation in order to kept asta alive so yup my theory is that if an other mutation happened inside of him to fix the original one his mana will run into his body(mana was blocked from the start)again and here comes Sally rôle yup Sally! She was interested with asta' s genetics from the start and even she know something because she was upset when asta didn't came with nacht she was about to tell him something ....!!

16- acier Silva was told that she will die with the last birth(noell)because of noelle 's power she was so strong that make acier body in danger .. but she survived. That make me think that noelle is host of the sea god' s soul

17- asta is somehow related to the land of the sun why..?? Because all his life he was using ki without noticing and yami confermed that . He did the zetten from the first try . Ok we know that he got talent but bro.. this is huge that make me think that maybe asta's origin from this land (father) and his mum and Allen are from another kingdom that will shown up later maybe a kingdom that got destroyed and they are the only that survived so they lived between the four kingdoms ...and maybe asta will meet his mother( her soul in his mind or more memories (his original not libe's )) and have a talk ... about his power . His past . Origins... or maybe licita did something with her seal magic to asta that blocked his power to protect him

18- yuno father is alive !!!! Yea in the manga when Dante showed up that he killed the king that dead man was not loyce . So my theory is that loyce is alive but kidnapped buy them because of the real plan of lucius

19- the real plan of lucius ,, I think that creating new humans is just a little thing of his real plan that involve the grinberryals blood soul and magic (black sun . Bloody moon and stars falls on the wind )yea and he said that he will never let someone in his way again so originally he did that plan before but got runded by someone (maybe someone of asta's family)that's why he came to asta first because he knew somethings about him but he just said what he wants others to know . He want to kill him because of anti magic but nooo that's wrong or maybe he didn't know him but got suspecious+ anti magic =that boy should be dead hhh

Maybe asta's family (mother' s side or father's side or even both were team and their descendent licita and asta's father were so strong but due to the curse licita can't use her power ) are mages from thousend years and fight for the sake of the world that's why licita didn't want asta to suffer from their blood line or power and lend libe to him instead to live a normal life and lucius plan involve grinberryal. Silva. Vermellion . Lorobechika . diomand royal family . Charmy's family . Witch queen and Vanessa.finral and langris(possibility of belsibub ralation with vaud clan due to spacial magic) William and yummy's clan and maybe asta's family too(both sides) .and he will start with yuno family(the both family zogratis and grinberryal are related somehow because they look alike and maybe zinon . Vanica and Dante will be back but against their big brother because he is the one who make them devil hosts)

20- mimosa!! Maybe she had secrets about her mom and acier maybe she knew about acier 'death (by mecigula )and her power will be insane like attack spell and she will be the detraya host (that green spirit with flowers that helps the elves). And again I ship her with yuno I don't know why

And that's all sorry for that long . I hope that you agree with me and help me with your opinions .

Hiya! No worries about it being long I don’t mind 🥰, I’m going to try and answer these point by point and if any of my mutuals or followers have any ideas/clarification on anything I’ve missed please feel free to add to this 😁💕!

You have great theories and even if I don’t agree with a few of them or I don’t have much to say, I still appreciate and enjoy you sharing them with me 🥺💕🥰!

Please Note: I’m not really a theorist so most of these will have “I don’t know” or “We’ll find out later”, but I did my best to try and answer 😁😅. So my theorist mutuals may have better answers then me!

1. You’re right we didn’t see much on Lichita, and maybe with this Final Arc we’ll get some answers about Asta’s origin or Lichita’s. But tbh I don’t think her grimoire, last name, and where she came from are really relevant to the story and that’s why Tabs left it out 🤔, sure he could’ve added it to give her more “depth” but I think he either wanted to leave her as a “mysterious” character, or he just didn’t think it would add anything to BC.

2. I think there are many reasons why Lichita said that, one reason could be that if she watched Asta she would worry that he would somehow be in the raidus of her curse and would die, or another reason could be that if she *did* watch him and Asta happened to catch her he would either follow her or would come up to her and her curse would kill him, or simply it hurt her too much to watch him. Watching him grow up and be happy and playing, while it would make her happy, it would also hurt her too since she isn’t able to he apart of his life like she wanted.

3. I don’t believe Lichita knew that Asta was born without mana 🤔, from what I understand most children don’t show signs of magic until they reach a certain age. So Lichita probably didn’t know Asta was manaless, and just assumed her curse would kill him so that’s why she gave him up because she didn’t want to kill her own child. As far as where her curse came from, she could have been cursed by a devil (like Charlotte, Acier, and Lolo), or she could have been born with it like William.

4. I personally think it was just a coincidence that Lichita found Liebe the same day that she gave Asta up 😅. Because Liebe, if I remember right, was just walking aimlessly trying to get away from Lucifero and such. So I think it’s just a coincidence that he passed out there. As far as the five leaf grimoire, she could have either randomly found it, or she could have been led to it by Lucius or some other force. I’m sure Tabs will have an answer for it in the Final Arc, and if he doesn’t, then it’s either a plot hole or he didn’t have enough time to flesh it out.

5. I don’t think Lucius created an illusion to trick Zenon into thinking that he killed Allen personally, could he have? Sure. Do I think he did? No. I think Zenon just…did it 😅. As far as Allen being originally from Spade, I’m not too sure if he is or isn’t. Tabs could have easily just made Allen look and act like Asta in order to create a similarity between Zenon and Yuno, or he could have had more in mind and Lichita and Allen are related 🤷🏻‍♀️. I’m not too sure myself since it could go either way 🤔. When it comes to the grimoire it either could have “disappeared” for a time and then reappeared in the tower, or Lucius could have taken it and placed it there or hid it away. Again, I’m not too sure.

6. The man in the tower probably kept it a secret because he knew/thought it would be best for Asta to figure it out himself, so instead of just going ahead and telling him, he wanted Asta to figure it out all on his own.

7. The reason neither one showed up in the panels could have easily been an artistic thing instead of a “plot” thing, so I don’t think it’s very important 🤔. As far as the church goes, it could easily be a “coincidence”, “fate”, of Lucius manipulating things to go his way. But we won’t really know unless it’s explained in the Final Arc 😅.

8. I don’t have too many thoughts on if Asta, Lichita, and Allen are “foreigners” or not 😅. I mean, they could be, but whenever I hear “foreigner” I think of Yami and how he was treated by Clover. So while it’s possible they could be from a different kingdom that isn’t in the suits, I don’t know if they’d be considered “foreigners”. Hm, I used to want to know who Asta’s father was/is, but now I don’t really care 😂! Tabs will tell us who he is if he wants, or it’ll just remain a mystery forever lol!

9. Honestly I’ve just assumed Sister Lily is from a noble family which explains her grimoire, mana, and such 😅. As for why she became a nun that’s anyones guess, but since she seems to be important in this arc I think it’ll be explained by Tabs 😁! Ngl I honestly think the reason Sister Lily was chosen as a Paladin by Lucius was because of how important she is to Asta, yes she’s strong and her background is a mystery, but I think Lucius knew how much Sister Lily meant to Asta and that’s why he did it 😅. Hm, she could have been sent there to protect them by some unknown force, but it would most likely only be Lucius who would since (as far as I am aware) no one else knew Yuno and Asta were at the church.

10. Astaroth could have easily planned all of this out from the beginning, and we’ll most likely find out towards the end of the Final Arc. Lucius probably looked into the future and knew how important Yami and William would be and that’s why he went and had Julius meet them when he did.

11. Yes the swords belonged to Licht, at least as far as my memory goes. As for how they got inside the grimoire, Astaroth or someone else probably put them there if I had to guess 🤔. The grimoire probably chose Asta because he was “worthy” or, much like the grimoire, he is an “anomaly” since he’s the only person in the world who doesn’t have an ounce of mana, and as far as I know there is only one five leaf grimoire in the world, they’re both anomalys so they gravitated towards each other 😅🤷🏻‍♀️.

12. Hm, Asta could have a secret power, but I don’t think he does personally 🤔. Whil Asta is different then everyone else, I think if he had a “dormant” power that wouldn’t make him…well, him if that makes sense. I don’t really have very many thoughts on this tbh 😅.

13. I think it’s mostly assumed by everyone that Ryuya is Yami’s childhood friend, and that’s what I assume as well. I don’t think he’s Yami’s brother, since we saw Ichika is Yami’s sister, and I would think Ryuya would have told Asta that he was Yami’s brother 🤔. As far as the dwarves they could be from Hino, but then Tabs would have to explain how she got to clover or how her mother/father got to Clover from Hino 😅.

14. She could be, I don’t really have much thoughts on the dwarves 😅. But as far as Yami’s family and what happened I’m sure we’ll find out about them in the next couple of chapters 😁, but I think I stated my theory on Yami and his family a couple of weeks ago HERE.

15. Personally I think the “mutation” in his genes are either his anti-magic, his mothers genes that he inherited, or are maybe something similar to a devil’s genes? Like I said before I don’t have many ideas when it comes to Asta and his lineage 😅.

16. Noelle could be, but so far we haven’t really been introduced to any “gods” yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did exist in BC lore since we haves devils, elves, and dwarves. Or Noelle could be like Yuno and “blessed” by mana, although not as much 😅!

17. Again, I don’t have many ideas/thoughts/theories on Asta’s lineage 😔. Is all of this possible? Yes. Although personally I don’t think Asta’s lineage has anything to do with Hino (otherwise I think Yami would’ve said something 😅), but it very well could!

18. I have to kind of disagree on this one, because if Royce were alive I think he would have been shown by now, especially with the Dark Triad being gone now he would have no reason to hide and would have shown up with Ciel before the time skip, at least imo 😅. I could be 100% wrong tho!

19. Hm, that very well could be 🤔. I’m not too sure if Asta’s family was the one who “thwarted” Lucius’s plans before or not, because it easily could have been Julius who did that, or someone else we haven’t been introduced too yet. Whether they’re related to any of the characters or not is anyones guess, but I’m sure we’ll find out soon 😁!

20. I don’t think we’ve gotten any info on Mimosa’s parents, or actually any of the Vermillions parents so far (Tabs why 😭?), so there could easily be a secret there. As for her being the Host, again, she could be. How likely that would be I’m not to sure 😅, like I said anythings possible with the Vermillions 😁!

As far as shipping Mimosa with Yuno you’re more then welcome to do that 🥰! I don’t mind the ship personally but it isn’t one of my favorites, but if it becomes canon then I’ll totally be behind it and supportive!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts/theories with me 🥰! If anyone has anything to add feel free too!

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