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The Mandela Effect
Theory on R1999 so spoilers for 2.2, spoilers for 1.9 and onwards. This is not Global Friendly especially for 1.9 and 2.2.
This will only make sense if you have gone through the first three patches of 2.0.
This will be major major spoilers for 2.2 for the implications this has so anyone following CN servers feel free to message me about this.
(May Vertin nui block the spoilers!)

Alright then.
The Mandela Effect is the type of memory that occurs when different people incorrectly remember the same thing, eg if the Monoploy man wore a monocle at all, logos having a different design in comparison to how some people remember it.


2.2 introduce us to Mr Duncan, a Zeno military veteran who lives in Sao Paulo. Both Sotheby AND Vertin both mistaken Mr Duncan for Mr Karson, and remember either of them had a chance to take a photo of Mr Karson or anyone else in 1929 before the Storm occurred. Duncan mentions having a war friend of his who had a child near Sotheby's age. This seems to concidental to be a throwaway line. Appearance wise their eyes look the same but I hear you ask, but Mr Karson looks older in 1929 and its confirmed 2.2 occurs in 1990s how can they be the same person?
See Paulina from 2.0: she is the one mentioned in Book 4 by the narrator, someone who was caught by the Storm and only her hand remained. We meet her brother Joe in 2.0 who goes to confirm her "death", sees her leftover hand (wow not expecting that) and then looks at her photo and immediately thinks the Foundation was lying. In some sense their are two Paulinas here, the one Joe remembers and the one the Foundation remembers but more or less are the same person.
Vertin with Mr Duncan has outright confirmed that:
One Mr Duncan is in fact Mr Karson, that there are multiple instances where people or events have been altered from recorded history.
Two.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REVERSED DO NOT DIE IN THE STORM!
With Marcus and Heinrich we confirm the Storms do not just make time go backwards but instead reverse a certain era to a different period, just not beyond 1999. Therefore we can for example, be in the 1950s and be reversed to 1980s but never going past 1999.
We confirm that the Grandfather Paradox does not apply to this world, so killing someone in one time will not necessarily led to the death of their family line.
The Storm can be accelerated by causing or accelerating critical points in history, leading to them happening earlier than expected = changing the original timeline.
So what if the Storm reversing places to completely different era backwards and forwards actually does the same to people?
Take Mr Karson: the 1929 Storm could have flung 'him' into the 1990s, his core history of being a war veteran would not change but now he isnt looking after Sotheby instead lives in Sao Paulo. Being flung into the 1990s has caused a butterfly effect in a sense to his own history: what if he remained in Sao Paulo at the end of his war service for example?
R1999 is playing with the Mandela Effect here: the Foundation will remember recorded history prior to the first Storm, and now history is being slightly altered by the Storm. The changes would eventually become so often and with so many to record the true original history may be forgotten entirely. It will become harder to tell what was the original until that new altered history becomes the memory incorrectly remembered by others.
So all victims of the Storm are not dead then are flung to different eras and places, slightly altered but in essence that original person. However it would be hard to investigate what would happen if a person were to be caught in multiple Storms, reverse in one and again in another (maybe thats what is happening to Martha Urd Bessmert)
Someone like Schneider then would still be alive somewhere, maybe in Italy, maybe a little bit different but in essence the same one we met in 1929 but doesn't know us. Same goes for Isabella, the Ring, people of Aperion and etc etc. Maybe we met 888 before she ever found the island, see the Ring potentially at the age he would be now in Scotland since he is implied to be Scottish.
This opens up the table for any of the people Vertin had met in the past to met them again.
Playable Schnieder or at the very least her return is no longer off the table and very possible now, this doesn't take away the impact of her 'death' as likely she will have no recollection of the time spent with Vertin and co, they did just meet within 24 hours. (BP would be so cruel if we met her in an Orange farm in Italy).
(I need a second opinion on us tbh, 2.2 at the end was really dropping huge things to set up the 2.0 story wow)
#reverse 1999#ramblings#r1999#vertin#analysis#cn spoilers#2.2 full spoilers incoming#major 1.9 spoilers#idk the implications for the lore are big here
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Beast yeast episode 8 spoilers!

So. I've been going a little bit cuckoo bananas over the new update and its happenings, and I just cannot get this stupid game out of my head. and thus to cope I have made
The pure vanilla conspiracy
Basically just a bunch of things both big and small that I find kind of strange about pure vanilla cookie and associated things
Starting small we have: the pure vanilla kingdom and my first thought is, how is it floating? Just... how did it get there. I don't think it's natural and even if it were how would cookies of gotten up there. In the story gingerbrave and co get up there by using a teleporter and I can't think of a way anyone could of gotten up to the floating island to build it if it were a natural structure.
And speaking of that teleporter, the pure vanilla kingdom is surprisingly technologically advanced. Of course the golden cheese kingdom has all its stuff going on but that place is the exception to everywhere else, the only other places with automations and/or machines I can think of off the top of my head is creme republic, city of wizards and whatever was going on in the summer music festival story(I haven't really played much of that so idk) there could be some I'm missing that I'm just not thinking of right now but point is the pure vanilla kingdom is surprisingly advanced compared to most other places
Quick another thing is the pure vanilla kingdom possibly being responsible for the valley beneath it being so baren, there's something to be said here but I don't remember remember what so uh
Moving on to actually important stuff, I wanna talk about pure vanilla cookies design and the design motifs associated with him.
Basic stuff out of the way first, pure vanilla cookie looks like an ice cream cone and I think that's pretty cool

Next I've got to talk about the eight pointed star which if you haven't noticed important characters (pretty much just exclusively the beasts and the ancients) have certain symbols or sets of symbols tied to them (basically like a visual leitmotif) when these symbols show up somewhere it signifies the characters connection to that thing and pure vanilla's is an eight pointed star (specifically an eight pointed one not a six pointed star those show up everywhere) and so here are some places where I have found said star
Predictable places are of course on pure vanilla cookie's design, the pure vanilla kingdom some and episodes 7 and 8 of beast yeast (only in the background though). More interesting possibly lore important places for this to be is his soul jam (I know this one seems obvious but I'll get to why it's interesting later), on the avatar of destiny's design (and I WILL be talking about this one just you wait), both dream station and eternal city of wizards (I'm not totally sure if this one holds any implications or if devsis just wanted more shapes for stars but they are there and if it is intentional than, oh my does it make things interesting)
There is 100% more places than this since I've mostly just looked through the backgrounds of the world maps, I'm just not bothered enough to look through the whole story and the level backgrounds and decors, maybe I'll do it another day
So- avatar of destiny
I am admittedly a little confused about this thing I really thought it might come into play in these past few updates and it kind of just hasn't, it wasn't even really hinted towards. I am an avid pure vanilla cookie will be avatar of destiny theory enjoyer and I still think that it'll be involved in the story but now I'm not exactly sure how. I originally thought that pure vanilla cookie would become the avatar of destiny a la dark cacao cookie in episode 14 which I still think is a possibility for it to happen I'm just not sure exactly how now. Although there is that one strange line shadow milk cookie has in his interaction with candy apple cookie that has some very fun implications.
But all that aside let's look at the design!




All this considered I feel like there's no possible way that the avatar of destiny and pure vanilla cookie aren't related in some way. I would compare the attacks avatar of destiny and pure vanilla have but aod isn't in guild raid right now and I don't have super sparkle pure vanilla yet so I can't (also I don't want to)
Ok now it's soul jam time. I can't really say alot about this bit because there's no that much information so uh. Pure vanilla cookie's soul jam is kinda really strange, like why does it look like this

It's so strange, pure vanilla's soul jam is the only one that looks different when in its non physical form. There's not really much I can say about this since nothing in the game ever comments on this, although there is something interesting where whenever the light of truth talks to pure vanilla cookie his soul jam appears on screen in comparison whenever shadow milk cookie talks to pure vanilla whilst pretending to be the light of truth this doesn't happen which means me think that shadow milk is unaware of pure vanilla's soul jam being like it is, just some food for thought
Now we finally talk personality and in terms of character the new updates have been a all you can eat buffet, but we're here to talk suspicious things incase you've forgotten which you probably have by now. It was mentioned in a post by piromina that pure vanilla is being mighty suspicious especially during that ending part of beacon of truth and it has made me think a little. When the other golden cheese and dark cacao cookie awakened they did so by denying the ideology of their counterparts (I think, I don't remember completely) but pure vanilla doesn't. Instead of doing something like I dunno just believing real hard he tricks shadow milk cookie, something that shadow milk would do himself. Also that lie shall vanquish a lie line was pretty concerning, I don't think pure vanilla cookie is entirely ok (I hope he isn't, I hope devsis puts him in the metaphorical torture blender again \affectionate)
Oooo suprise shadow milk section. Uh "why is this here? Isn't this supposed to be the pure vanilla cookie conspiracy?" don't worry about it, I just discovered some stuff during my crappy research and thought I should bring them up
So fun things I found, shadow milk eye motif on the walls of that one cave, y'know that one cave with the tapestrys of pure vanilla, it's that one and the weird blueberry eye plant things in city of wizards so that's cool
Uuuhh ya tgis was uh fun definitely helped with the brain worms I would do more character analysis stuff but I'm too tired to, maybe I'll come back another day, who knows

#pure vanilla cookie#truthless recluse#shadow milk cookie#cookie run kingdom#long post#i dunno#analysis stuff
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Lore notes: Neverland
‘Humanian era’ → this does make me wonder how the time lords measure time across the universe, we know the names of a few eras, but i wonder what these measurements are based in, what are considered big enough events for them to name an era after, also they are clearly using different time units/measurements to talk about the different eras (human dating system for humanian era, what i presume is a time lord dating system for the rassilon era)
‘Files on doomsday weapon stolen’ → well they’ve got a doomsday weapon then
Outer planets → gallifrey’s colonies?
‘6796.8’ → example of one of the measurements of time (years?) used when talking about gallifrey
Also interesting that the rassilon era seems to also be the contemporary era on gallifrey, i would have expected it to be the time when rassilon was alive (or maybe their eras are really long, or they cycle through them or something, idk)
‘Oh it’s possible, the daleks obliteration might cause terrible [word] in the web of time’ → the time lords are willing to let a species like the daleks continue existing and killing just to protect their precious web of time, what happens doesn’t actually matter unless it interferes with their perception of the right way for events to happen
‘That dull grey box’ → default tardis exteriors (these ones are specifically battle tardises)
‘May the star of rassilon guide you, his wisdom inform you, and his sash be your protection in the vastness of your duties’ → vansell just says this to romana when she walks into the room and asks him a question, her reply makes me think that it’s some sort of ceremonial greeting type thing, though i feel like this is the only time we hear it (is vansell just being annoying, is it something that exists, but no one actually does) (did the writers just forget about it) (i mean romana does seem to not like this so maybe that’s why we don’t hear it again, but i don’t think we heard it before either)
Doctor’s tardis is referred to as a time capsule, but then the battle tardises are called tardises
Also ‘tardises with full offensive capabilities’ vs the time lords having very little defenses the last time we saw them, romana was serious about them not being defenseless anymore (though in the last episode with them, they didn’t exactly have access to the tardises, but their lack of defenses was still brought up)
‘Blocking all entrances to the vortex across five million consecutive years’ → two things a) that’s got to be a lot of battle tardises and b) the implication that there are specific ways to ender the vortex, you can’t just do it
They’re on a time station
‘Power down your vessel’ → can just power down a tardis, and also can do that in the time vortex, assumedly without having horrible consequences (at least in the short term)
Time torpedoes from the battle tardises → ‘we’ll be frozen in a microsecond of spacetime for several centuries, long enough for the time lords to override the tardis’s entrance protocols’
The doctor’s tardis has been sealed and frozen for a few hundred years, but it doesn’t seem to have been any significant amount of time for the other time lords → kept in some sort of time pocket? time stasis? just stuck in the time vortex?
‘ostophossius’ a common thing in time lords names
‘Our time in the academy, all of six hundred years ago’ → the doctor states earlier in this audio that he’s around 950, which would mean they were in the academy at 300, which doesn’t line up with previous things we’ve seen about the academy (and when the doctor left gallifrey), so either a) the doctor has experienced more time than vansell and their timelines are slightly out of sync here, or b) the writers forgot about all that stuff and just put a number in there
Also is back to the commonality of academy nicknames (well i say back to, to my knowledge it only got brought up once before this in the happiness patrol, but we do see later that they seem to be a pretty common thing)
‘The right clearly stated in the Archetryx convention to be tried by an independently assembled commission of the temporal powers’ → time lords beholden to laws outside of their own now it seems
‘In your nice earth chair’ → i mean we’ve seen some gallifreyan chairs, so yeah, earth chair is probably a distinction that they can make (we have also seen some normal looking chairs though, so who knows)
The time lords talking to charley as if they she is a toddler
‘Over the last few quarters’ → what is a quarter, who knows, but it’s a description of time lord time measurements, so it’s going in here
‘A thesis which has been among the thinking circles for some time, one which has never been accepted into our codex of disciplines’ → she’s talking about anti time, yet another time lord ‘myth’ that actually exists
‘The flat galaxy society’ → adding this to the list of throw away lines that i desperately need to know more about, what weird gallifreyan groups/cults are there
‘But it’s given far less credence’ ‘officially’ → interesting, so the cia (well, assuming the other parts of government aren’t in on this as well) is looking into ‘false’ theories, why, because they believe them? just to cover all of their bases?
‘The web of time could not exist until the great rassilon built the eye of harmony, the hitching post of chronology, that which does not flux, nor wither, nor change its state’ ‘the eye of harmony created a universe of positive time, finite time. Gallifrey anchored the continuity of the universe’ → the web of time is a product of the time lords, it is not an inherent property of the universe (and therefore all the things about preserving the web of time are really about preserving the status quo that the time lords have set)
‘The agency no longer has enough operatives to maintain continuity across the universe, history is leaking like a sieve’ → again, the time lords having control over what they have deemed has to happen
‘The matrix, as you know, is a vast repository housing the combined intelligences of all time lords, past and present, living and dead’ → it’s a little funny to me that the majority of the time the matrix gets brought up they give us a slightly differently worded explanation of what it is
‘We have turned the entirety of the matrix over to remembering all of history as it should be recorded’ → the matrix as a whole can just be made to do things, i wonder what kind of power it takes to do that and who can give those orders (i’d assume president)
Vansell just seems to summon a projection (?) of the matrix to show the doctor what is going on
All of history is too much for the matrix (i wonder if there would be a point in gallifrey’s future where the amount of time lords became too much for it (that is in a timeline without the war), though i guess that then they would be able to update it because it wouldn’t be a sudden thing like this is)
Cia upholds the ‘true course of history’
‘It is in fact a portal into the matrix, an eighth door if you will’ → so a) they can build doors into the matrix that a person can physically go into (as opposed to just projecting themselves mentally into the matrix) and b) what’s up with the numbered doors, do they signify anything, is it just the order in which these doors were built, why so few
The doctor has an ‘actual presence the projection’
‘Kasterboran borealis’ → stars visible in the sky above gallifrey
‘Mount cadon’ → mountain that can be seen from the city surrounding the citadel
‘Silver leaves of the cadonwood trees’
‘The skies, which once danced with lights, purple and green and brilliant yellow’
‘Talking to yourself like some shabogan’ → time lord view/stereotype of regular gallifreyans (?)
Architecture that can reconfigure itself
President can sanction meddling in time to prevent (or make sure things happen too probably) certain events
I wonder what the difference between a time station and a tardis is, they both are able to travel through space and time, is it kind of an aircraft carrier vs plane type thing?
Time lords can get travel sick (though, it possibly has something to do with the unusual nature of the trip they’re taking, but i’m still writing it down)
‘How do we learn about anti time without our sensors’ (paraphrasing) → time lords so reliant on technology that going outside and looking doesn’t actually come up as something you can do (also a bit interesting to me that this is romana saying this, because she was a renegade, but she also was always more time lord than the doctor even when they were traveling together, and i guess she had less time to shake that bit off)
‘You are witnessing the life and death and life of an entire universe taking place in an ever changing instant’ ‘well that was always the theory doctor. Our academics put it in slightly less florid terms’
‘Vansell, your boss?’ ‘our superior’ → is vansell not the highest in the chain of command, i would assume that the coordinator of the cia would be, but i guess he answers to the president (though i wonder if that’s how it always was, or if that is a result of changes romana made, because previous things make it seem a bit like the cia is their own entity separate from the rest of time lord politics)
Interesting how their first instinct is to shoot at the ghosts, the time lords have a reputation for being civilized and just sitting and watching, but we do see them be pretty quick to use violence, especially as time goes on and especially within some aspects of their society (cia, chancellery guard) more than others
Also the staser noises sound a bit different here (they’re shorter?)
‘You made us time lord, here we can unmake you’ → from the ghosts, i know we’ll be getting more about this later, so i’m not gonna get into it here
‘We know you kurstelliafestixon, a cousin of the patrex house, under assassin with the celestial intervention agency, fast tracked from the chancellery guard, you keep a striped pigbear called staser snout and feed him promaze bars’
‘Patrex house’ instead of chapter → is there house called patrex (assumedly started by the same person who started the chapter), or are the writers just getting the two mixed up, either way, houses mention, yay
Assassin is a job you can have at the cia, unsurprising
‘fast tracked from the chancellery guard’ → there are ways to skip the proper cia training, wonder if its a sort of thing similar to someone taking college classes/ap classes before college and just transferring the credits so they can skip the intro courses, or does the cia select specific people and give them a fast pass
Love that he has a little pet, i kind of wish we got to see more into the everyday life aspects of time lord lives rather than just the things they do in emergency situations or politics, because i want to know more stuff like this, are pets common, what kinds of animals do people keep as pets, stuff like that
Also they’re getting all this by pulling it straight from his mind, that’s probably important to note
The ghosts can just absorb (?) the energy of living beings
Actually seems like it’s time energy
Vansell starts reciting the zagreus while semi conscious → something about where they are, or something subliminal buried in time lord brians
Yet another reference to people being removed from history, that’s just a thing they can do
‘You over reach your authority vansell’ → romana’s response to him trying to order the guards around
‘And there is a higher authority than yours madam president’ → cia may officially be under the jurisdiction of the president, but they can still be more powerful than the president (monarch) (god) when need be, they are the ones really in control of time among the time lords
Time lord technology can regenerate itself to an extent, well at least the newer stuff
Zagreus is clearly something that the cia was looking into before this
‘All that temporal energy flowing through them’ → time is a physical part of a time lord
‘The books of zagreus’ → this is very much being presented as a sort of mythological text, which makes me wonder what other similar things they have, and when do they move from mythology to truth (though this being the time lords, we can assume they are all true, no matter what the time lords believe about them) how is proof here quantified
Planetoid they are on is a tardis wreck
They are able to power up this tardis with just a bit of energy
Also when they do this it shows them a projection of the pilot
‘An old man, eternally sad and infinitely wise’
Romana orders them to kneel in front of rassilon → he’s treated like a god
‘It has been a time beyond measuring – here, alone in the cold, adrift and aloof from my people, my home. Once, my name was hailed and feared in equal measure by friends and enemies alike. Know, then, that I am Conqueror of Yssgaroth, Overpriest of Drornid, First Earl of Prydon, Patris of the Vortex, Ravager of the Void... and President of Gallifrey from the time of our empire's Great Foundation. I am the Lord Rassilon. At last, my children, you have returned to me.’
Shout out to the transcript for that one, love not having to type all of that out, also think it’s notable that rassilon’s voice here is described as ‘something like the voice of god’
Also the way he says he is president, it’s as if he never stopped being president
‘A long time past, I helped end centuries of tyranny and bloodshed on my own planet. Helped to usher in a great age of enlightenment, with faithful counsel from the wisest of my Technomagi. I locked the space time continuum with the great Eye of Harmony. But, in my declining years, I grew fearful that by constructing the one true Time, I might have brought into being its very opposite. The menace of what I termed anti-time. A vile poison which might yet spill out to contaminate and undo all I had sought to achieve filled me with horror and dread. I resolved to journey into the strange, uncharted fringes of space time in search of my nemesis. And here, in this weird unreality, I found the Neverworld of Zagreus, the corpus of chaos and nowhen. I have battled this entity. It is dormant, docile now. My Tardis shattered, my exit hole shut. I am trapped in this place. But I leave this message in the hope that one day my Time Lords will find a way to rescue me. My body I have placed in a Zero Cabinet nearby, my last breath suspended. If I live, my children, I should like you to revive me and take me to Gallifrey. Take me home’
Don’t have the energy to actually say much about all that, but i’m definitely putting it there
‘What do you call someone so powerful they rescue god’ ‘there are no gods, doctor, rassilon least of all’ → no i think he has a point here, you certainly treat him like a god
Zagreus is a nursery rhyme
Seems to be a prophetic one as well (descriptive of what is currently happening to the web of time)
Zagreus is also a character in the mythologies of other worlds → i know pandora comes later, but interesting to me how multiple time lord myths/figures exist across the universe
‘The heresy of anti time’ → really love the depiction of time lord society as a sort of fucked up religious order
‘VANSELL: It would explain why the idea of anti-time has always been discredited or suppressed. An enduring legacy of Rassilon's lieutenants. But a possible congruence between these tales and the heresy of anti-time's been noted for centuries.
ROMANA: Only recently have our students been brave enough to break with the Great Curriculum, to open their eyes to newer fields, sharing their knowledge with other of the Temporal Powers.
VANSELL: An undertaking which my Agency has been happy to assist. But imagine if the great Rassilon were to be returned to us, he who began the intuitive revelation, who established the Eye of Harmony and anchored the space time vortex. How much could we achieve? How much further could the Time Lords go? Madam President, the proof lies inside a Zero Cabinet somewhere within the bounds of this planet. Or Tardis. Whatever.’
Purposeful suppression of ideas that did not align with what rassilon (or the people following him) wanted to be known and accepted
The academy and cia seem to be the bringers of change in time lord society, the cia makes sense, their whole thing is intervention, though if i had to guess they do it more behind the scenes, and the academy also makes sense, it is a place of learning and ideas, even if you try to make students stick to one way of thinking some of them just won’t
Don’t have a lot to say on the rassilon stuff, but it’s there
Zero cabinet and casket treated as the same thing → something something the death of a time lord's body isn’t actually the end, so what is a casket but a special kind of stasis chamber
‘We time lords are a pretty conservative bunch, the minds in the matrix even more so. The slightest tremor in their web sets their senses jangling, of course the matrix is in turmoil’ → implication that the matrix projection shown may not be the only/most accurate one, but rather the one that the matrix wants to show, its prophecies are altered by the views of the time lords within it
‘I won't. We have held ourselves back too long, bound by caution, tradition and deference. We're a joke! We maintain the universe. Oh, yes. We preserve it in amber, its injustices uncorrected. Aggressors go unpunished in the name of mediation. Doctor, you placed the Daleks, the Daleks, the most evil, ruthless, coldly calculating race to have ever stained our history, in a time loop. We could crush them, now. Ensure that the torments they visit upon every peoples they encounter never occur again. But will we? Will we? We could work with our allies, the Monan Host, the Warpsmiths of Phaidon, humanity even, to build a consensus for progress across all the galaxies. To be a radical force for the advancement of a common good.’
Interesting to me that the head of the cia is in breaking with tradition, given that it seems the cia’s job is interference with the purpose of making things fit within the ideas of what the time lords think the universe should be
‘Why not? Do we have to argue whether or not we should negotiate the return of the architect of our race? A progressive, a hero who was unafraid to reach out to the unknown to further not just the glory of his people, but the security of the people of the entire universe. Our reality is falling apart, and yet you vacillate while the one man who might have the wisdom and power to resolve this crisis is within your reach!’
Rassilon treated as more important and powerful than other time lords
Also from the things we know about him, i wouldn’t exactly call him a progressive
‘President of gallifrey and all its dominions’ → they say this often enough, but i do wish we got to hear more about it
Vansell turning in romana to the neverpeople → interesting to me when we consider that the coordinator is apparently loyal to the office of president (according to narvin), he clearly sees rassilon as the ultimate president, so it is okay to betray the current one for his sake
‘When you were a little girl, lady romana, no more than 60 years or so’ → 60 is little girl, but she has a hover car at 70, so i feel like this is more an adults calling anyone under 18 a child than 60 actually being super young thing (still, i’d love more of a look into what is considered childhood on gallifrey given that they live so long)
‘Spend most summers in a rambling house on the shores of lake abydos. You used to go swimming with the singing fish. You collected zinc hawthorns from the molten rushes near the water's edge’
Summers on gallifrey, seem to have summer breaks from the academy as well
Location name → lake abydos
They’ve got singing fish and whatever zinc hawthorns are
‘I was an only child’ → something something gallifreyan family structures, possible to have siblings (look, i’m a fan of the looms and everyone benign cousins lore, so for my own sake i’m gonna say that siblings here aren’t literal people with the same parents, but rather loomlings who were loomed and raised around the same time, but you can interpret that however you want, i just like the idea that family roles are more defined by the role that person has in your life than your actual relation to them, because everyone is a cousin)
Talking about a hermit → was it just a common thing for there to just be a hermit hanging around the houses?
‘The Jasquig Records, the War Perceptors, the Cavox Imperative.’ → gallifrey’s most closely guarded secrets, revealed to romana when she became president (along with the oubliette of eternity)
SENTRIS: What is the Oubliette of Eternity, Madam President?
ROMANA: A disused chamber deep in the heart of our largest off-world station.
SENTRIS: The Headquarters of the Celestial Intervention Agency. Could you tell me, Madam President, what this chamber was used for?
ROMANA: Dispersal. A barbaric punishment long since abolished. Is this relevant?
SENTRIS: Very. And what exactly did dispersal entail?
ROMANA: It was reserved for those found guilty only of the highest treason against Gallifrey. Inside the chamber, offenders would be dissipated from history, their entire timeline erased as if they had never existed.
SENTRIS: And where, do you suppose, did these dispersed people go?
ROMANA: Nowhere. I mean, they'd never existed. There was nowhere for them to go.
Dispersed people go to the antiverse
They never existed in the first place now
‘Once you were gallifreyans, time lords even’ → we know by this point that they are different, but i’m writing it down anyway
Cia in charge of dispersements
People seem to be dispersed based on things that would be a disruption to the set status quo
Dispersals seem rare, but people also can’t remember them happening because then that person never existed
Not actually that rare (sentris approved over 200 in a year)
Records for this are kept in a time protected vault so that they don’t get overwritten with the timeline
Anti time acts sort of like a virus it seems
‘That paranoid despot, the architect of the web of time, the worm who denied free will to the people of the universe chained them to his eye, bound them to one single reality, who decreed that any threat to his great empire's sanctity should be dispersed from all time’
‘Rassilon created anti time’ ‘and he called it zagreus’ → wow a time lord myth based in truth, who could have guessed
Well, it isn’t exactly true, it’s a trick, but i’m still counting it
‘Not one single atom can arrive on gallifrey without authorisation’ → presidential vessel, however, doesn’t need to give warning, especially given it has the head of the cia, both positions have enough power to override pretty much any time lord security measure
‘All that maintains the constance of the universe is the eye of harmony’ → possibly not in regular times, but with the web of time damaged and stretched this is true
‘It will be as if the Time Lords had never existed. History will be a blank canvas. A churning chaos of twisted, unregulated Time’ → the universe if anti time gets to the eye of harmony
Also with this whole thing, it seems that there is relatively easy travel in between universes, like it takes some different technology, but it’s still treated as something they’re just doing
given that romana is still there and presumably president how is vansell the acting president, is he just calling himself that, seems like a thing he would do (maybe it’s the whole the never people are planning to kill her thing)
Vansells pledge of loyalty until basically the end of time → something something either it’s the office of president that does this to people, like the time lords are basically programmed to be like this, or it’s something about romana (I’m gonna say a mix of the two)
Entering the matrix seems to be generally disorienting
The matrix is a bunch of voices talking over each other, interesting to me because we’ve never seen it this way before, it seemed to work more as you pulled up the information you needed, not people were already there talking, maybe this is a product of it being overwhelmed by the zagreus situation
‘No amendments can be made to transduction permits during a state of emergency, with no exemptions’ → recent rule (from vansell)
Undercardinal → that’s a job (can’t remember if i noted that before, but i’m putting it here anyway)
Matrix can be accessed off of gallifrey
Rassilon stops the doctor’s tardis (they’re sort of frozen in a time bubble(?) while things go on around them) → how is he doing this, some inherent power he has over tardises and/or time lords because of his part in inventing time travel/the species, can reach them even though he is dead
The doctor doesn’t seem to actually remember this interaction
Breaking the web of time seems to erase the existing past
‘The time lord known only as the doctor’ → interesting that this is how the matrix records his name since we know that he has gone by other names and we know at least one of those (theta sigma)
‘An old man, eternally sad and infinitely wise’ → description of rassilon
‘But there is more than one way out of the dreamscape for those whom the Matrix favours. The choice is yours, Madam President’ → then rassilon gives her a door to get out of the matrix (the matrix is simultaneously a physical and nonphysical space, it seems you can project an avatar of yourself into it while your physical body remains in the real world, or fully enter it, but it doesn’t exist in real space) (something something what is a time lord but a computer, so of course they can wander around within a computer)
Rassilon referring to romana as things like ‘daughter of time’ or just ‘daughter’ → something something founding father who literally created the species
#doctor who#neverland#eighth doctor#j rambles#lore project#gallifrey relisten#circular gallifreyan#dw art
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Well, since Ao3 might've destroyed my progress, here's a new post about the process to distract myself!
A good thing about scripting the longforms is that I'm moving through it so slowly I can notice small details and possible implications (typically unintentional ones) that I missed before. So here's some headcanons and general lore things I've gathered from my scripting of Sorry About My Nan (some I've already mentioned, some are new)
Obviously some kind of real supernatural shit is going on (hence the time loop), my guess is demon related, but I haven't gone too deep into that
Wilhelm and Emcee (brothers in my hc's) were some of her first cult members, if not the very first. I believe their long-standing loyalty contributed to why they, with Ethel, were the only cult members to gain immortality. (or alternatively, the only ones to have a significant impact. Idk if I believe it or not, but the idea of the other cult followers being members of the Emcee's audience is very intriguing)
Ethel mentioned having 'animal magnetism', but seemed surprised by it herself. I imagine this effect wasn't planned, but was more of a side effect of her rituals being performed on the brothers' farm, the animals there being exposed to whatever the hell she was doing.
The entire first scene with Wilhelm and Ethel is fake to me. It's Wilhelm putting on an act the same as later in the story. When her smile fades at his mention of Berghain, he genuinely thinks he might've fucked up bad. He is panicking because he's afraid of what she can do to him if he does mess up. We just can't see any of that because he's not allowed to show it.
From the very beginning, she had a weird interest in Jamie. She'd enter the room, and seem very happy to see him, quickly going to physically greet him. She was always acknowledging him in some way, whether it be dropping the towel and flashing him, or as simple as looking at him a certain way. This could just be how she interacted with all of the guests at the stag do, I just thought it was worth mentioning.
And one smaller, non-lore related hc:
Michael Big Jamie Jimbob is not his real name. The reason Jamie said Michael to begin with is because he didn't want to give his real first name to whoever might've been out in the 'audience'
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heyo pluvi it's nyla on her main account that is honestly just a side acc at this point gjdfngkjfn but here's a fun thought, imagine you're a big mom pirate and one of her children- what are you mixed with and do yourself pulling a lola and dipping or toughing it out? how do you see yourself somehow running into shanks with this crucial lore change?
Omg………. I will get sooooo self-indulgent and insane w this actually (and likely get walloped w canon in a few days but hey before then we can do what we want) and say perhaps…….. mayhaps……….. an arranged marriage situation………
so likeeeeee i kinda. love the idea of me being an initial attempt at a member of the three-eyed tribe like pudding, bc i need a way to i would love to say im a badass rebel child w my own crew but Alas i think i am. quiet and awkward and nonathletic n mama kinda hates me rip. but she'd have a reason to wanna keep me around despite all that if i have the potential to read poneglyphs and that’d be a role i could play for shanks too yk. and my self-insert is 27 yrs older than pudding which nicely matches up to a potential me running away w shanks when hes like 22 and im like 26!!!
soooooo this all would go down when hes still gathering up his crew yk.......... mama obvi knows him as roger's apprentice but i think he kinda approaches her first to scope out her kids n see if any r worthy/possible to be poached LOLLLLLL and then almost like. out of amusement goes along w the marriage she decides to arrange. it is Not a situation like sanji ftr its a situation like bege, where she intends to have shanks as a subordinate captain through marriage.......
idk i think hes just curious when she proposes it. not exactly concerned—def a bit Overly Confident for a 22 yr old apprentice-turned-rookie potentially going up against an emperor PFFT—but again just like. amused by the situation. and w a piqued interest when he meets me, similarly to selfship canon ig!!!! i think im more timid n less self-assured in this scenario (a combo of being five yrs younger, raised by big mom, and generally the situation being entirely different) and honestly give off the vibe of being a bit uncomfortable around him. i think hes actually rlly put off by the idea of big mom forcing her daughter to marry a pirate even tho im clearly not cool w it; ofc hes not like. surprised i think he knows big mom p well but it Rlly rubs him the wrong way. suddenly hes not so amused anymore.
shanks is a serial princess rescuer in canon, even fifteen yrs earlier i think he's got those instincts already so there's a bit of a white knight instinct that i end up triggering in him. n when we finally get a moment alone (which in my head is a lil nighttime walk back to my room very romantic) he rlly does ask for my feelings and possibly straight-up offer to help me leave n it. pisses me off LMFAOOOOO i might even slap him in the face perhaps just for the audacity of it all bc like bro what!!!! whats the plan here u just wanna piss off an emperor for shits n giggles n a pretty face??? i think i reveal the eye here too, which is ofc considered an Ugly Feature in one piece canon so im intending to shock him out of whatever insanity has overcome him but also is smthn shanks absolutely understands the implications of..........
(he thinks its Very Striking for the record)
I think he does manage to convince me to run off w him before the wedding…….. he’s Very Persistent abt it n by the third or fourth time I’m convinced he has ulterior motives but as it encroaches I kinda come to the conclusion that if I refuse I’ll end up married to him anyway so perhaps better to keep my options open??? So we sneak off the night before w. Largely not a ton of pushback. Maybe shanks has a lil spat w katakuri that’d be fun 🫣 in my head this would be before tottoland is established so it’s a matter of sneaking off the queen mama chanter not. An archipelago yk……… n e way.
We have a lil slowburn after that 🥺 a lot of me swearing up and down I’ll leave at the next island and shanks insisting this isn’t the right one and next thing I know I’ve been w him for five yrs and I’m sleeping in his cabin and we kiss a lot. Actually the fun part abt this au is I’d be around for baby luffy which is very fun to me (tragic that I don’t meet him in selfship canon 💔) maybe he’s the reason we officially get together bc he’s Too Honest LOL idk. But there u go!!!
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1/2 I was thinking about the Creator Hammer its intended function, which feels way closer to Predathos than Ascension based on my understanding. Like TRQ erased the old god's name and face when she ascended, but there was still a role for her to fill. But Predathos (and the thing in Tengar if it's not just Predathos) more or less created a vacuum of divine domain until TRQ'S ascension. Even the old god didn't seem to absorb those domains? And we don't know what would happen without any gods left
2/2 And I feel like that distinction is kinda crucial - it's wild to see some people treat the hammer as 'just' killing the gods (which. already has huge implications) but actually getting rid of the domain entirely feels like a step even further, and if the gods didn't already have a right to freak out at the idea of being killed, I think this really cements a reason for them to be concerned, idk!!
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Hey anon! So actually I've been wondering about some aspects of deity lore/cosmology and I hope we get more answers because, to be honest, I'm not sure what happens here.
It's implied that the nothingness that destroys Tengar is Predathos. We also know that Predathos does not seem to take memory and name when it destroys something; Aily and the other entities of light are still able to say Edun's name after he goes away, just as Ethedok and Vordo's names can still be said. This is in contrast to the Raven Queen, who in ascending did erase the prior god's symbol and name (and aspects from memory, though to varying degrees - Asmodeus does recall in EXU Calamity that he was a brother, but acknowledges the name is gone). I think her rites of ascension likely added that aspect, especially since we know her mortal name was forgotten and made impossible to read. Finally, we know new domains can be created as Vecna ascended without eliminating another god, and simply added himself.
So with that information I think the distinction the gods are making between Aeor and the Raven Queen isn't necessarily one of preservation of domains but rather intention. The Raven Queen was not trying to kill a god out of spite or fear or hate, but out of a sense of obligation towards the station. Which does translate to the preservation of domains in this case but I think the point is that Aeor seems to be killing for the sake of killing and not for some higher goal.
Perhaps this isn't correct to bring in Worlds Beyond Number, particularly since Brennan is working, with I'm sure plenty of leeway and freedom, within Matt's worldbuilding here, but I do feel like the way he talks about the witches and their domains [note: haven't listened to the latest episode no spoilers please] is worth mentioning. The witches are proposing killing one of their number (Erika's PC, Ame), and when Ame brings up her domain, they note that if she dies, her domain doesn't disappear; it simply isn't tended to.
I go back and forth on how much the domains of the gods of Exandria matter because we know there is overlap - Nature is a very big thing that encompasses aspects of Death, Storms, Sun, and Moon. Corellon and Moradin and Erathis all share parts of the creative process and it's implied Pelor does too. Agriculture is part of civilization.
If all the gods were killed? Perhaps it would destroy the world, but if some were I think they would simply lose that overlap. I don't know if there is a tipping point - and I do believe there is one (and it's indicated some Exandrians who might know, such as Keyleth, believe this too) but it's also possible that the domain still exists, but the magic and potential within it is gone. If both Melora and The Raven Queen are killed, for example, perhaps there is no longer an afterlife for anyone, but death will still exist.
When Asha says that Aeor will destroy everything I don't think it's a domain thing - I think it's just her noting that Aeor is already consuming a huge number of the planet's currently limited resources. The apples are going to Aeor and not to the starving beggars nor the animals. I think it's just a statement, in terms that a hungry nature goddess would use, that this is an exploitative empire taking advantage of their position of power amid war and natural disaster and that it will eventually exhaust the natural resources Exandria has to offer and die out itself: "This thing, this will be rock and nothing else. Three generations, four, they're going to end it for everything." Taliesin out of character in Cooldown then says Asha/Melora is speaking on behalf of life on Exandria, generally. I don't think it's that nature or storms or death or dawn will cease to exist overall, per se; I just think that they believe that if the only power left on Exandria is Aeor, all life will starve and die out not long after.
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Idk if you've been asked before or said so of your own volition, but what's your opinion of Phineas? Me personally he was so underused and honestly seemed to be nothing but a way to put Lilith onto Dante & Vergil's radar to facilitate the trade off (that I have my own negative opinion on but thats a horse of another color) narrative wise which is unfair to him given his demeanor & eye (of which is awesome) so if a sequel ever did get thought up back then i hope they planned to bring him back (though not sure how due to my headcanon that barbas' political prison was a separate part of limbo since it is technically underwater) so its my turn now
No ones ever really asked me about Phineas which I find very sad because i LOVE Phineas. I agree that he's very under utilized because he is so interesting to me. I love his design, I love the eye, I love his vibe, I love his lore like he's deeply interesting to me.
Because like, because of Phineas, we know beyond certainty the demons in the reboot are not remotely hive minded as they seem to be in the preboot right? Like we have Sparda, abandoning the demons to go against Mundus. Ok that's like one guy. But Phineas is a political prisoner, due to his like ideas against Mundus and the current regime. He's a philosopher, he's a scholar, he's an intellectual. It makes you wonder like how many other people are like him in the demon world, how their society works. Are there universities and shit like where's the big old demon Library of Alexandria? It's a fascinating little tidbit that opens a lot of floodgates if you let it and I love him and the ideas that can come from this.
I also love that he knew not only Sparda, but also Eva. And he knew her well enough to state that there's aspects of her in Dante. Like he knows both of them, and he knew both of them well. Which again makes you wonder what were they planning and working on, why does he know not just Sparda but Eva. Is this related to his capture? Etc etc. Also the fact Vergil also knows like of Phineas? Like how far reaching is this man???
Also like the only time I think I've had a discussion about Phineas on this blog was the time it was mentioned how he only ever compares Dante to Eva after he decides Dante is capable of killing Mundus. As if killing Mundus and his heir are something only Eva would do, not something Sparda would. And this is fascinating I think, the implications one can gleam about reboot Eva from this (which is definitely over thinking the lines a bit much but like look in my heart Eva is the ruthless one asdfghjk). I'm like deeply intrigued by Phineas's relationship with both Eva and Sparda.
I agree that he's deeply underutilized. Like this is all fascinating ground work to lay. Like this scholar who knows both Eva and Sparda and is well known that a guy in the human world can find out about him who has been imprisoned for his political beliefs, who has a deep knowledge of the demon world and it's political figures and our protags dead parents like...there's so much you could do with him.
In my idea of a sequel for the game, I would like to have him around more. I do think he'd be deeply helpful to Kat and Dante as they deal with the aftermath of collapsing Limbo into the real world. And he'd be helpful in helping Dante bridge some gaps of his memories and his abilities and everything I think, given he knows about the history of the Nephilim (implied by his knowledge of Assiel and what not) and like his possibly all seeing eye that can manipulate the demon realms?? Plus he says he's an inventor when we meet him and I'd love to know what he invents. Like presumedly stuff like his eye, him and Kat i imagine could create such interesting stuff (there's a fun intersection between magic and science also that I think we could explore here, because like I've said before I think the magic system in the reboot is much more comparable to science then a scienceless sort of magic so there's definitely stuff to do there).
There's a flip side also that a sequel could possibly see Phineas team up with Vergil. I don't know that Phineas would agree with Vergil's stances and ideologies, of course, we see in the game that Phineas seems to be against this kind of rule in the underworld. But I also think Phineas is smart and he would see the in and could work to gather intelligence for the gang and also try to push Vergil back into you know, not being a demon king. I can see the two doing philosophical debates quite often, which Vergil finds both enriching and frustrating asdfghjk and he to I think would like the same knowledge Phineas could offer Dante and Kat.
I had a handful of AU's I never did anything with were Phineas raised the twins or at least one of the twins and I always think upon them fondly. His human form ran an antique/second hand shop I think.
#fab talks#fabtalks#ask#dmc reboot#phineas FASCINATES me#i truly wish we got more about him like as much as i love picking things up and filling the blanks myself#he's really cool and so unique in the series as a whole he deserved more
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hiiiii :3c idk what you want to talk about but what about like. when you started creating ocs??? like what’s the earliest you remember making and what was the thought process behind the ones you have rn (specifically deidamia and katatasha???)
or if not is there anything cool youve learned lately ??? :3c
EEEE TYSM :D ENRICHMENTTTT :DDDD KNOW YOU'VE FIXED A REALLY BAD DAY
Anyywaayys mmmm the earliest EAAARLIEST i can remember is having a weird httyd race to the edge oc that was like?? flower hybrid withhh the dangerous singing dragon??? i dont remember like 95% of whatever that was.
Aaaaand the thought process behind my actual ocs!!!
HMM
ok so heres the thing: I Don't Have many ocs, and theres actually a reason for this!! there was a shortcut!! but ill explain it for last bc its a long story. aslo Keep Reading thing because THIS IS A LOT OF YAPPING!!! (,,>ヮ<,,)!
ok so for deidamia: the idea was at first a broke, overworked serial killer. after watching 4 horror movies in a row i was like. all of these guys have money. hmmmmm. and when i began pondering i had the epiphany.
you've heard of serial killer whumper? get ready for serial killer whumpee, the sort of role switcharoo i love!!!! theres just a mine of potencial there y'know!! not only a publically feared whumpee (which is one of my favorite FAVORITE tropes ever <33) but aslo a publically HATED whumpee. which gives literally so much freedom for whumpy stuff. and a CRIMINAL whumpee like. villian whumpee without the fantasy sci-fi or whatever you want stuff (which is good for me!! not bc i dont like the trope but bc i just dont work well with "hero" and "villan" archetypes :( it just limits the moral complexity ok)
heres the thing: even if its her main deal, theres aslo other stuff with deidamia!!! i briefly mentioned it here but another big deal with deidamia is melancholy and sadness and gloomness and Y'know. jordan river by nastyona sort of vibes. she's a broken, stoic whumpee with so much hopelessness by the time of most endings. I tend to say i dont like tragedies but i gotta say rotari is my local tragedy. "The anger that warms ur heart now will leave you cold in your grave" type of thing. or however the poem said.
Deidamia's aslo kind of a moral question, but i dont wanna yap abt that bc that can open a biig can of worms a little too quickly😊so we're not doing that😚
Oh yeah her design is basically "what if clasical pretty final girl BUT✋️ uncanny valley". or somethin
nowww, moving on tooo katatasha, this one's actually pretty simple!!!
ok so this start with minecraft lore theories, i wont say specifics bc its kind of a blender mix + my personal interpretation. The general idea is taking all the horror and implications and whumpy details of minecraft and Making It Make sense. thats it.
theyre aslo based on my own minecraft experience!! the game is beautiful but i am extremely frightened by skeletons. i aslo pick up on the small whumpy details, again, like the time i had to throw myself in a half-frozen river bc i was jumpscared by an endeman and almost died. You know how whumpy that is? ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING ENDERMEN ARE NIGHTMARE FUEL IN THE STORY!!!!! stuff like this and many things really dont make the game a horror game, but like, think about it...
a big deal of it is aslo the natural dehumanization of the chosen one+the last of their kind.... and like... i just slapped some of my favorite character tropes and called it a day🤷♀️ what can i say most of my ocs are made in a whim.... @vidawhump as taglist for katatasha <3
And thats without mentioning noodle!! and lilith of course. buuuut thats a lotta yapping for today i'll just....eepy seepy thats all for todays guys🤷♀️
OHH I FORGOR THE OC SHORTCOUT THING.
lets say i had this Main Lore with their buncha ocs that i had been developing like. Since Forever. and the thing is bc its Since Forever it started as pretty nonsensical y'know. And Well, Following Floating Steps actually comes from that. it is a development of that story, to say..? the thing is, I Cancelled That. why?? bc i relized i Kind Of had messed up multiple things. and what i didn't relize is that it kind of left me with a Shortcout of ocs. which isnt aaactually bad bc most of it were secondary, unimportant characters y'know..... still, i passed from like 16 or more ocs to like 5. or so. like theres still many concepts i would like to explore so just like my desc, theres still more ocs to spawn!!!! and worldbuild ideas!!! but yeah theres that. I DO PLAN ON REMAKING THAT STORY, But like, when i figure how to (╥﹏╥)
#cat answers stuff#my ocs#katatasha (oc)#deidamia rotari (oc)#following floating steps tag#<3333333 imsohappy#|
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OH YEAH and yeah idk maybe the big skull fungus very well could be like, a god. that it could be like, the one god shroom. i remember people before sotf were wondering if the mushroomos infected sozo(nious) on purpose because of the implication that its a god was in the file name even before the lore tablets mentioned it.. i think. i havent seen them for myself either besides small glances IT ALSO HAS A WHITE STEM?? INSTEAD OF A BLACK ONE LIKE SOZO HAS?? like?? is it a different type? what if its from an ancient ancestor? whats going on, whats the relation of the mushroomos to these similar but different fungi? im honestly just as confused as you are. i think about these things about the game, especially with sozo, so often and im glad someone else also does just as much LMAO. at this rate ive posted 3 fucking anon asks in a row im so sorry
COTL DEVS ANSWER ME WHAT IS THE SKULL SUPPSOED TO BE
If it is a god shroom then everything explodes because It's A God Shroom it could do whatever it wants for any reason . In which Sozo has a god in his body/brain(???) and that's why it can drag him with it when it's revived. and that is a Theory I've proposed before but then it's like. WHY would a god shroom NOT infect more than just Sozo. Surely it wants to propagate right??? Otherwise why infect at all?? Unless it just wanted a vessel??
I mean fuck if we really want to go insane about it, the fungi that kills Sozo doesn't even look like the same fungi

and it split the one on his head in HALF so like. I assume it's the same fungi and it just spores in a strange way, because otherwise we're going into complicated ass hyperparasitism territory (parasites that infect other parasites) which we COULD do but like WHY, but i mean.
like. maybe this is a neverending spiral of endless fungi. who knows Throws my hands into the air.
AND DIFFERENT STEM COLORS YOU'RE RIGHT I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE?? COULD THEY BE DIFFERENT SPECIES THEN? BUT WHY ... Or is a maturity thing and maybe the one on Sozo is younger and will lose its darker colors as it ages????? I mean. And bear with me here, but. The shroom on the skull has fuckin age lines. So like. Old shroom? Old shroom gone white with age? Old? Shroom? Aged? Elderly shroom?
and don't even get me STARTED on the mushroomos who are themselves seemingly menticide (given they drop it when killed and sozo will eat them). like. the worldbuilding here is so fucked and I can only barely try to contain it into digestible boxes that make a vague amount of sense in my brain
#AND DON'T APOLOGIZE YOU'RE letting my brain whirr very loudly like an overloaded computer (positive)#cotl's biology-based worldbuilding makes me clutch my head in agony and double over in pain#I am just doing my best to file it away into somewhat understandable boxes without overthinking because this is where we end up#when we overthink. neverending fungi spiral#ask#cotl sozo#cotl#sozo
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A """summary""" of Homestuck: Act 6 Part 1
by someone who's glad they've gone back to basics for a bit
Let's (for a brief, fleeting moment) start again nice and simple.
It is the 11th of November, 2011 and today a young girl named Jane Crocker is excited to play the alpha for a game that comes out today called SBURB. How fun!
Jane here is heiress to Betty Crocker's baked goods empire (as mentioned previously in Nannasprite's story), and there is also set to be a major rebranding initiative happening today as well. She likes baking, detective stories, as well as the occasional jape.
But look out! There's another guy! His name is Jake English, and he's quite fond of action-adventure flicks, guns, and blue alien chicks. Fucking freak he is.
Jake is currently helping/pestering Jade, his ectodaughter/dead grandma who is set to give it to John (Jake's relations with him is yet to be revealed), before realising that it'll need a bit of uranium to be finished. He only can get it through a boy called Dirk Strider, (unfortunately), and his Brobot which just so happens to be the only source of uranium on the island that Jake lives on.
Before he pesters Dirk, Jake gets a message from someone (presumably a troll) named UU. They essentially tell him "hey!!! go for it!! i believe in yoU!!! also this event is extremely important timeline-wise, so dont screw it Up!!!!"
Jake attempts to get to Dirk about uranium, only to get the equivalent of an AI-based answering machine, much to his dismay.
He then heads out of the island's forest (with the dread of the Brobot lingering) and into the open. He witnesses the beautiful fauna on display.
Too beautiful for comfort.
Jake attempts a getaway, before being swarmed by a large swarm of fairy bulls! Whatever shall he do now? But not to worry, because a certain BrotherRobot has come to rescue!
He then immediately gets his ass kicked royally, (complete with Tensei's amazing score) and blacks out. He has a dream about someone who kinda looks like Vriska???? But isn't really??? Maybe it's one of the prophecy people that Doc Scratch was talking about??? Or undead Vriska??? idk man.....
He tells Roxy Lalonde about this, who panics because everyone in the group is attracted to Jake in some way. He is a harem protag, apparently.
Anyway, while Jane has the most relatable moment in all of Homestuck by awkwardly confirming her and Jake's 'friendship', Brobot tears out its own heart, then blows itself up, giving Jake the uranium he needs. He also confesses to Jane that he and Dirk would be a good couple!!!!
The Alpha Gang have proved themselves to be superior to the Beta Gang by being gay.
Jake is last seen in this chapter heading down the frog temple, presumably to finally send that package.
Where was I? Oh yeah, Jane!
So CrockerCorp undergoes its big rebranding, changing its symbol to a fork instead of a spoon, which will have very big implications later on.
After UU pesters her about the nature of the game she will play, she continues to look out the window, to no game yet in her mailbox.
While pestering a ditzy girl named Roxy Lalonde, she just so happens to notice that her mailbox flappy thing is up, meaning the game is finally here! She dons a shitty disguise to confuse her dad (which is the same as John's dad), and, with the help of Dirk's robot bunny Lil Seb creating a massive hole in the wall, she lass scampers out of there.
She opens the mailbox, which then proceeds to fucking explode, knocking her out and sending her to Prospit, where Jack Noir ᶠᵘᶜᵏᶦⁿᵍ ᵏᶦˡˡˢ ʰᵉʳ ᵍᵒᵈᵈᵃᵐᵐᶦᵗ before she wakes up.
I think at this point I am completely past the point of no return and have no choice but to cosplay as Gamzee with nothing but grey Sharpie. Other than that, Homestuck continues to keep itself fresh and interesting through established lore (probably from a page you don't even remember because you were too distracted by Karkat yelling).
Even more excited to see where this goes!
#jane crocker#jake english#jack noir#homestuck#alpha kids#roxy lalonde#dirk strider#gecko boy#gecko boy reads homestuck#also guy fieri could smash the supreme court no contest
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Heres a CN spoiler filled suitcase speculation (even less concrete since we don't have translated anecdotes and MAJOR SPOILERS for 1.9 onwards!)
(Random bit: what the hell is with Constantine's shoes? I just remembered someone posting about it, wdym shes got a belt hooking the under side of her heels? Why? I wanna see someone (Vertin) just trip her up, for funnises)
Alright - Isolde and Tuesday after being screened by the Foundation become residents of the suitcase with loads of restrictions, even more for Tuesday with the information about the motel. It was likely deemed keeping them there was the best decision, as in its now the Timekeeper's problem to deal with the murder lesbians.
Kakania as seen with the post-journey art is likely following/ accompanying Marcus as her assistant (or something like that, all we can say deffo is that Kakania will actively avoid Isolde, like that one Wilderness interaction oh god thats so sad).
Lucy joins the suitcase after being demoted (or holiday idk), makes modifications to her appearance as more human-like (her insight 2 design).
(Again with the post-journey art, everyone is on holiday except Vertin lol)
Can't say much on Argus so far, need their anecdote but likely after discovering whatever the truth was with Kayla.
Joe, Pioneer, Mercuria AND Sputnik likely join later after the events of 2.0,2.1,2.2 since Vertin is in Brazil and Matilda's journey was just before Vertin reached Texas. Similar thing with Barbara unless we see her in 2.2.
Still no idea on Eternity, but likely she joins the suitcase wayyyy later since we know Matilda is a frequent visitor (cough. victim) of the suitcase and had not met Eternity until 2.0. Already confirmed she joined at least some point after Marcus with their comic.
Its actually very convenient to pair up Lilya and Vertin to travel long distances, the only downside being if Red-38 suffers damages then they are on foot.
For the 2.2 gang, Anjo likely under goes the process of testing and watching similar to Isolde, Tuesday and Jessica (if anything shes probably the nicest and safest person to be stuck in a room out of the lot, unless shes under orders to kill you or somethin). It will be interesting when she joins since we now can confirm she met Matilda and Joe, how Joe and Anjo might interact after 2.0 and Argus after 2.1.
Mr Duncan and White Rum I would say the same deal, join after a while. Mr Duncan is the most interesting since its confirmed he is human and with the Umbrella from 1.9 he will be the second human Vertin saves if a Storm comes to Brazil (I have a feeling it might tbh, either this patch or next). Potentially the first human to survive the Storm in the suitcase with the Umbrella maybe?
We now know the suitcase can change format so maybe big big lore implications here once we get the ability to change the lobby (wild guess if Bessmert Martha Urd is the original owner of the suitcase maybe teaches Vertin how to? Or she just meets someone who knows about it?)
#reverse 1999#ramblings#r1999#vertin#cn spoilers#major 1.9 spoilers#2.0 spoilers#2.1 spoilers#2.2 spoilers for the trailer and PV (speculation)
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Ngl i actually fucking loved the FNAF movie. Like maybe its because a month before it came out i watched markiplier and activated a hyper fixation of it, but it was LIT
So many bits felt directly out of the Silver Eyes book trilogy. Like the scene in the arcade with foxy or honestly the whole ending was v similar to fourth closet's ending. Fuckin loved it.
Also the fact that it was all super faithful EXCEPT for the big differences which felt very intentional. Like i think its implied Mike is Henry's son here? And tbh if they do sequels that'll be far less complicated plot than actual fnaf lore.
Vanessa being ole Willie's daughter make so much sense!! Like obviously its completely different from the games. But in terms of characterisation / place in the story she was already Willie's 'protégé'. Here she's just literally his daughter. I also liked how she was essentially what people assumed Mike in the games was? Someone who was abused but complicit in hiding the 5 kids death.
If they do get a sequel i hope we get some explanation on the Schmit and Afton family backstories. Like Aunt Jan?? Such a similar name to Aunt Jen. Also whether a CC character exists? Or whether Elizabeth exists.
Because if Mike is Henry's son then that would put Garret as Charlie's counterpart rather than CC's. Especially since willie wasn't wearing the suit when he killed him and Garret isn't possessing any of the current animatronics (unless ofc 'Its Me' on the glass was Garret and they are a CC counterpart but idk ive only just seen the movie)
My favourite bit was Cassidy tho. Idk if this has lore implications for their gender in the actual games but god they were spot on. The kid playing them was great, you could tell they were having fun it, unsettling little angry ghost boy my beloved
So yeah the movie was super camp but so fun and the puppet design was FANTASTIC
#10/10 fucking loved that shit#if i got anything greviously wrong lore wise im gonna be honestly idgaf. i literally watched it an hour ago these are my initial thoughts#i finished reading the silver eyes trilogy this week and finished the 8hr lore video on YouTube last night so the lore is BUZZING in my hea#FNAF#fnaf movie#five nights at freddy's#five nights at freddy's movie#fnaf theory#i am CONVINCED I TELL YA that they are Henry's kids#spoilers
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hey, same anon from earlier here. Idk if you’ve thought of it but, do you have any thoughts about a fnafsb ruin rewrite? I like hearing your rewrite thoughts btw :] I think your ideas are very neat
i dont have any thoughts about a ruin rewrite exactly, but i do have ones for just the base game! so ill. share that here ^_^ sorry if youve alr seen me ramble about this specifically but its more simplified and straight to the point than my previous posts ab it anyways
my copycat killer vanny au is less of an AU and more of a "what if steel wool . didnt. do that: a collection of ideas" and so SB being different is a big big portion of it
First off, lore wise, I'd completely remove william. as much as i love him, im tired of his corpse being dragged around much like everyone else. This means no glitchtrap. Fnaf VR would be non-canon, and purely just be a compilation of games and have ZERO story implications. so it'd go straight from ucn+ffps -> security breach. the pizzaplex would exist because of the fazbear ent franchise package (the same one michael got in FFPS)
Vanny would be a true-crime obsessed freak failwoman who gets a little bit too invested in the missing childrens incident and mr afton as a result. she is homocidal. and unwell. after months (possibly years or more) of being obsessed with william and the murders, she sees that the pizzaplex is hiring, and takes her chance!
In one of the SB endings you can see that theres multiple already missing children listed in a newspaper. I'm sure you can see where im going with this
So. Security breach. My first course of action would be to solve the glamrock issue-If theres no glitchtrap, theres no reason to be aggressive. my solution to this is making it so they have a night mode where they try and find any patrons still in the building after closing time and alert the security guard ((think of all the vloggers posting WE STAYED OVERNIGHT IN THE PIZZAPLEX!?!?!?! (WE ALMOST GOT CAUGHT) videos)). this is bad because the security guard is vanessa
I think for the beginning of the game, we have gregory being caught by her straightaway. he would be upset, but not have a reason to really fear her; afterall, shes just some nightguard. she can take care of him and make sure hes safe, right? lure him into a false sense of security. i want her to bring him to a room (perhaps the vanny hideout in sb), say she has to leave and that she'll be right back. from here, the lights will go out (she shut them off + put on her little murder getup + disabled the security cameras). Now, going back to the missing kids, i like to imagine shes a bit of a freak and hasnt stuffed any of the bodies into the suits yet because she wants to wait until she has enough victims and then do it all at once. Gregory will either see blood or smell a corpse in the vanny hideout, and manage to escape through a vent. from here, the game will take place in the dark. vanny will peek around corners and from railings, always watching you but never quite catching up except for some chase sequences because she likes toying with her prey [which will eventually be her downfall]. You try to avoid her and the animatronics.
Glamrock freddy is a problem. I dont want the glamrocks to be as sentient as they currently are, so i think making them be a sort of shitty chatgpt AI would work wonderfully. It means that glamfred could be very, very, very unhelpful at times, and would leave room for uncanny interactions as well as funny ones, which fnaf is sort of known for. the funnies. the sillies. the jokes. the "dont poop on the floor"s. He would be programmed to protect children above all else, however, so he isn't in night mode like the others are.
In security breach, theres a really fucking good cut plotline about glamrock freddy. After getting all of his upgrades, when vanny disassembles him, he turns against gregory, and becomes an antagonist. i cannot stress enough that this USED TO BE IN THE GAME. we have lines of gregory crying and shit. i would 100% keep this in the SB rewrite. its at this point he would shift into night mode instead of just succumbing to the mind control stuff like before. thatd happen either about 2/3rds of the way through or halfway, with a few stretches of time where freddy either isnt cooperating or is unavailable like in the OG game beforehand
outside of that, i would make the pizzaplex smaller, grimier, and dingier. not the same levels as fnaf 1 of course, but the only super clean areas would be like. the atrium and dining areas. fazbear ent is neglectful and unsafe, the vents and rooms patrons dont go into typically arent gonna be super clean. the kitchens probably only get cleaned when they know a health inspector is coming. lets be real
id also love a heavier focus on liminal space sort of enviornments in the pizzaplex. its an empty 80s themed mall! its the perfect setting for it! they kinda sorta did it in the daycare, but didnt fully commit, and id LOOOVE more areas like that, because in the dark theyd be 100000x more unsettling. the only lighting would be very dim neon lighting for ambience and a flashlight i imagine, maybe one on gregorys fazwatch
i dont have a lot of plot points rounded out overall, just some concepts id throw in there, and i especially dont have an ending planned out. ive never been too big on the sci-fi elements fnaf took on around SL and the release of the books (been a fan the whole 9 years!), so trying to figure out an ending that would lean into ruin and making ruin....not like that . would be a whole. Task. a fun task, but a task nonetheless. i do like ruin quite a bit unlike SB, but it wouldnt mesh well with everything else i have going on here and would be bit out of left field i thinks
#fnaf#fnaf au#fnaf security breach#fnaf sb au#cckau#idk what id do about the mimic. i dont like the mimic for a lot of reasons but i also do like the mimic
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No idea uhhh either Cobb Avery or Z'Oiseau or both perhaps idk
Yeeeeahhhh!!! okay I have admittedly way more thoughts about Cobb Avery than Z'Oiseau so while I do think the latter is a super fascinating character who I definitely need to spend more time mulling around in my head, we're going with Mr. Ender here for now. Maybe if I wind up with extra time later tonight I'll revisit this for the spooky blackbird man.
First impression: WHAT A COOL DUDE. I mean, watching the music video was one of the very first things that clued me in to the existence of the lore and it's nice that it's mostly a self-contained little mini-story that tells us so much about him in under 5 minutes. Big fan of our undead revenge murder hero living out everyone's not-so-secret fantasy to just fucking kill the rich bastards who ruined your life. Relatable.
Impression now: I mean same, but now I've also had a whole lot of time to consider all of the social and political and cosmic horror implications so it just only gets better. It's not just an undead dude coming back to kill Andrew Winthrop. His is ultimately a story about a working class man from a colonized and marginalized population of people in this country gains mystery cosmic horror powers to take power back into the hands of those people. People much better-educated than I on Chicano history have written extensively about US colonization in the regions that were formerly Mexico until their land was stolen from them, and so Cobb Avery's story, while set in the... 1950s? sort of? also has extremely strong echoes of the outcome of the Mexican-American War in the 1800s, and meanwhile extends the power fantasy out beyond him to the gang he has assembled which particularly in the film are shown mostly to be working-class nonwhite folks (and certainly mostly Latino but not exclusively) who have suffered from discrimination, deportation, racism and lynching and so many other awful fates throughout our country's history, and it's those people now who have been able to build something for themselves that puts the power to destroy back into their hands with Cobb Avery as a sort of dark folk hero.
idk I think about this a lot. I'll stop. I'm bordering on that other essay I threatened to write.
Favorite moment: Man.... so many. But the one I personally find really really satisfying in the music video at least is when the one girl stabs him and he just sort of smiles, and it's at that point they realize this dude is the best thing to ever happen to them and they are now ride or die for him and his cause. Coming together to defeat capitalism under the banner of a freaky undead guy.
But runner up in terms of how deeply intrigued I am is when Buck smacks into him in the movie and just gets temporarily flung into his own future in that dark forest after he's been black-brained. Cobb Avery what the fuck are you, man. Like what REALLY are you. I have a lot of thoughts and a lot of questions.
Idea for a story: I have an unfinished WIP that isn't really a story with any real plot but a reflection by Johnnie (so far, other character POVs would work here too) about how it feels to have this nonhuman creature living in their midst. This thing in human shape that was human once but is definitely not quite human now. I really love exploring the idea of Avery returned as someone who has very little grasp on who he once was except for the memories that drove him to revenge, and that somehow that scrap of humanity is filled out by the sort of dark World Ender entity that he is now a part of. More cosmic horror, and the gang as cultists who take his eagerly granted permissions for chaos and violence and just run with it. But because I don't have any actual plot I probably won't figure out how to finish writing this.
Unpopular opinion: Once again I don't think there are enough opinions in general for me to have one that's unpopular here. I think we all agree that whatever he is, the dude is a badass.
Favorite relationship: Not with any particular individual but with the gang as his thriving band of trouble, almost a force of nature themselves that spills forth not to exactly follow his instructions but simply to interpret his desire for destruction in however they like. But also, then, their reliance on each other as a family, with him at the center as some sort of inscrutable nonhuman leader they're in between respecting and worshiping, and how he meanwhile molds them into what he wants them to be by selecting leaders to serve directly under him and letting them loose. It's not a hierarchy it's a miasma. Found family but extra fucked up.
Favorite headcanon: I guess particularly my interpretation of what he is now, as being something much less human and probably slipping farther and farther away from it, except for those core retained memories that drove his revenge. Maybe he's soft for someone every now and then who reminds him of his wife, or daughter, but never in a way where that person could really be close to him or get to know him as a person, because he is a fraction of a much larger and older thing that sees them as a means to an end at best, and as little more than bugs to be occasionally herded otherwise. More alien, more monstrous, while he slicks back his hair and enjoys a cigarette and appears on the surface to be just another guy.
#ask meme#cobb avery#the world ender#I won't tag these all with the band tag just to keep from flooding it
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well. new episode time! feels really different with what we know now, but. here's my thoughts anyways I guess
big spoiler warning because this episode is paywalled and might be paywalled forever but rooster teeth isn't even going to be around forever so idk what that means for the future of this episode. warner bros being the one who owns it seems like a bad sign.
-yeah I know the feeling (florida moment)
-"maybe he's dying?" "I'm dying..." ":D"
-max being excited about david dying feels like a very season 1 kind of joke but I laughed anyways
-holy shit air conditioning???
-i vote muppets!!!
-i also know that feeling unfortunately (the ac broke at my high school literally every week)
-"we can't afford hide and seek" DAMN
-david this competition prize feels HIGHLY unethical
-is this the same spooky cave where nikki found all those bear skeletons or is this camp and just the area in general completely overrun with spooky dangerous caves within walking distance
-HES CLAUSTROPHOBIC THIS TECHNICALLY COUNTS AS DAVID LORE
-okay I'm just gonna start filling up the qm square on my bingo card with as many trees as I can fit at this point
-however I will draw attention to the fact that quartermaster did try to steal Max's blood back in season 4. do with this connection what you will
-aw, CJ. it's on sight.
-oh hey it's throwaway side characters, at least I've got that going for my bingo
-overly detailed popsicles time!!!
-ooh I could write a million essays about the hose scene it's the cutest thing ever. I'm emotional
-did anyone have sasquatch making an actual reappearance on their bingo card
-today's "next time on" is completely unseen! and..! oh no!
-theres a lot to unpack there, we can deal with the implications of that next week
well! I only filled in one more bingo slot and I'm starting to think I was a bit too ambitious with my predictions. oops.
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maybe it's too early to call it but i think the reason im not as big a fan of post-ucn lore+struggle to really get into it is because it kind of. feels themeless.
like ucn+pre there's a LOT to do with the aftons and the emilys. there's loss, grief, repentance/atonement, revenge, pain, family, moving on, and it overall just feels. heavy. there's so much weight to it. the mini games having huge lore implications but also the stories they tell on their own being. haunting. (princess quest counts in this as well i think. i adore it because it feels like it's getting towards the embodiment of what fnaf should be at least)
whereas post-ucn feels like it doesn't really know what story it wants to tell. it had something with help wanted and vanessa/vanny, but i mean. the latest game theory video said the latest game was probably them trying to wrap up vanny's story. which is BEWILDERING to me, and i hope they don't leave her behind!!! i feel like i barely fucking know her!!!! she has more cut content than canon content!!!!! like it all just feels so unsatisfying.
it took them 7 games to wrap up the afton/emily familys' stories (which is admittedly almost definitely more than scott wanted) and the ending was powerful. vanny's (potential) ending here with help wanted 2 feels wildly unsatisfying because i feel like she just should've gotten more :/ more depth to her being a villain, to her motivations, to her behavior.
like idk man again maybe it's too early to call it <3 and i'm soooo open to eating my words because i do love post-ucn content outside of the lore <3
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