#i'm tired of this fandom stupidity

[lieutenant-teach]

Why exactly was the Jedi Order ‘deeply flawed’? Specify, please. What were its real flaws? Give me examples that haven’t debunked million times before by other people. Not ‘too close to the Republic/Senate’ (because it worked for a thousand of years, it’s not Jedi’s fault that the Senate has become greedy). Not ‘children-stealers’ (they’re not). Not ‘slave-owners of the clone army’ (they’re not, clones belonged to the Senate). Not ‘they forbid attachments’ (‘attachment’ doesn’t mean ‘love’ in SW, it means ‘unhealthy possessiveness’ ). Not ‘they don’t stop slavery/other evil in the galaxy’ (1. They’re too few for that anyway. 2. Isn’t it the Senate’s job? Why no one blames the Senate with the same fervor?). Not ‘they didn’t help Anakin with his mental health’ (they did, but you cannot help a person who doesn’t want to apply your help).

[poitionsprince]

Things a random person is trying to claim canon on Snape and the Marauders over one of my videos since I can't fall asleep cus of sickness + they are EXTREMELY stupid for a 17yo:

Severus tried to kiss Lily by force. (???)

The worst memory happened because of he wouldn't leave Lily alone (??? He didn't even talk with her before it started and they were BEST FRIENDS)

James was "provoked" and did it to "protect his girlfriend from the enemy" (the "gf" in question which hated him and refused to date him till their 7th year, and the enemy being her best friend)

Severus physically hit children (only happened in the movies where his character was cut by more then half ☠)

Physically abused Harry for 7 years (girl do you know how to read?)

He was a stalker (??? Mixing him much with the marauders who literally had a map that showed who is where and when? 🤨)

Severus called lily a slvt (what even???l

She said Severus trying to apologize for using the word 'mudblood' is "guilt tripping" (you would've cried over him not apologizing, right? ☠)

Came to attack me for shipping Snupin as if that had anything to do with the convo lol (didn't have anything smart to say ig)

Continued it by saying that Remus was a marauder and that they all hated Snape - also untrue regardless, he was the only one to call him be his name and to feel bad for him, also the only one to not laugh at him at the worst memory.

They said they're 17 yet they're fighting me like a 12 yo ☠

"I've read the book 4 times" girl who gave you the knockoff version ☠

The video in question was a joking vid over people hating Snape-defenders and Harry being the 1# defender, nothing more.

[fallloverfic]

I love singNsong again reminding people in Side Story that Dokja wanted other people to read TWSA (he wrote reviews and comments! It was his first wish), and he only stopped bothering because people harassed him for it. He didn't gate-keep the story. When he's avoiding talking to Sangah about it at the beginning of ORV, it's because he knows what happens when he tells people about the story, not because he's gate-keeping it from her. He notes he's not proud of his hobby (likely because he's been bullied all through his life, including for reading the thing he loves): he finds it embarrassing to talk about, and better respects her studying Spanish in her free time (learning another language is a generally accepted thing in society). He assumes she won't care or will look at him funny (or worse) for when she learns about the novel he's into.

Basically anyone writing "let's gatekeep ORV" posts because of the anime announcement or because they dislike the manhwa or some other weirdness, y'all are the villains in the scenario.

The literal climax of the story is about sharing ORV with as many people as possible. What story were y'all reading?

[momentomori24]

I don't believe liking immoral and downright evil characters says anything about you as a person, but I think acting like this definitely does.

"The HH fanbase will defend Valentinoto the moon and back" this and "Val is praised by a majority of the fandom" that, except said majority of the fandom fucking HATES that moth and fans have been harassed, had their art scribbled on to "fix" it, repeatedly called "rapist apologists" and "abuse romanticisers", get questioned or accused about condoning him irl, received graphic death/rape threats and are in general mistreated by the fandom. A Val cosplayer was mistreated and had a gun pulled on them IN REAL LIFE not even a year ago. Even the VA got repeatedly asked or assumed to be like the character he plays because "why else would he want to voice a rapist??" and told they deserve for choosing that role (fucking WILD btw). People that like Valentino as a character are the minority of the fandom, and even there NO ONE defends him. We all realise he's a disgusting individual whose actions shouldn't be defended in any capacity. What kinda bullshit lie is that?

I'm also in the Mouthwashing fandom, and it too has a bunch of issues. Infantilising Curly and minimising his actions, making Swansea to be better than he actually is and ignoring that he knew of the SA, people still debating or not realising that Jimmy raped Anya in the first place, shipping Jimmy and Curly (which isn't even a bad thing or a real problem but this person would see it that way), ect. But sure, conveniently don't bring that up. Anything for the Hazbin Hotel hate, right 💀

These next comments especially piss me off (nevermind how they're talking about an abuse survivor which is gross already). This might be a hot take and I don't care if that's the case, but I think people refusing to call Jimmy by name and excluding him from the cast is not show of a "good" fandom, actually. Jimmy has a lot more to him besides being a rapist. Rape culture, toxic masculinity, capitalistic exploitation, misogyny, male dominance-- there's sooo much more to explore and discuss about his character besides him being a rapist. And he's an incredibly disturbing character in a fucking horror game. If you can only refer to him by some stupid nickname (which takes away the seriousness of his character imo), ignore the significance of his role and themes in the story and the rest of his character and reduce him to a single trait that's BAD. That's not a good thing, and in fact, probably makes you worse than the people that do like his character because they can at least separate fiction and reality and not scrap well written disturbing characters for the sake of "comfort" or moral standing (again, in a horror game of all things). People shouldn't feel bad for liking Jimmy because he's a very good character, and ignoring that completely and acting like there aren't people who could like him... kinda sucks?

Moving over, Valentino is not and has NEVER been portrayed in a positive light in the show. I can't wrap my head around people that genuinely think that. Whenever I hear people say that the arguments I always see are "he shouldn't be attractive" and "he's just a cartoon villain" and "he acts silly and quirky even tho he's a rapist" among other things, and I don't think these people realise they're spouting eugenics bullshit and demonstrating that they don't know anything about his character simultaneously. No, Valentino isn't a "positive" portrayal of a rapist because he's attractive (way to tie morality to appearance btw). No, Valentino isn't a positive portrayal of a rapist because he acts goofy and funny and silly. Those traits are intentional and important to his character. Val is the Overlord of lust and depravity, hell's most famous pimp. His beauty is how he lures in unsuspecting sinners, and his personality is how he gains their trust and gets them to sell their souls for him to exploit (notice how Angel signed his soul away willingly). He's supposed to be appealing. He's supposed to be charming. He's entire persona is meant to be disarming. If he were like Jimmy or just a one-note unlikeable guy, his position in the show and his relationships with the characters wouldn't make sense, so he isn't. That doesn't make him a more positive portrayal or anything, it just means he's more fleshed out and written more complex than you want him to be. He's a very real depiction of an abuser, of their two-faced nature and how being attractive and charming to others doesn't make you less of an abusive monster to someone else. For context, I have been abused by someone extremely similar to Val, so his depiction feels very real to me and it's extremely tiring seeing a bunch of assholes who have probably not even seen the show or have been abused act like he's "romanticised" or "unrealistic" or "bad" simply because he was written by Vivziepop (who's ALSO an SA survivor like what is wrong with you 💀).

This is a broader point and not entirely related to this specific case, but we don't give people shit like this over people liking murderers and serial killers-- acting like all a sudden liking a rapist character says something negative about their writing or about the people that like them is INCREDIBLY stupid. People don't talk like this about Alastor and Vox-- who are both VERY despicable people. Both of them are also abusers among other horrible things, but they're not (or at least Alastor isn't) rapists so they're "not as bad". This is a sentiment I see all the time in both the fandom and hatedom whenever Valentino discourse comes back up, and this line of logic that rapists are a unique evil that can't be liked as characters in fiction but murderers and cannibals and serial killers are totally Ok is so dangerous and backwards. Liking evil characters says nothing about you as a person aside from the fact that you're a freak in the fun way. Liking evil characters but then going after others who do as well because you consider their character "too evil" and watering down the crimes of yours to justify liking them says a lot about you tho. Saying that the characters you like says something negative you in general does too.

We seriously need to stop bringing morality into fiction and saying that "normal" people wouldn't like certain immoral characters. We need to stop ostracising people for their "problematic" ships, proudly brag about ostracising them and justify it by calling them "weirdos". We need to stop saying villains are "badly written" because they're not written how YOU want them to be written, regardless of whether or not that opinion is valid (which in this case it isn't). We need to stop putting fandoms in some weird competition with each other about how characters are written and spit on people who actually enjoy them, are comforted by them or felt seen by them (gestures at the whole Angel dust situation barely a week ago). And honestly we need to stop giving attention to people like this, who spread a false narrative and kick others down for being fans of a media they don't like or know squat about for whatever reason. Who spread lies about the media or fandom in question in way that's blatantly in bad faith.

This crappy post is sitting a 17k while I'm typing this. The way people can just say ANYTHING about Hazbin Hotel and its fandom-- doesn't matter if it's valid or true or if they watched the show or know anything about the fandom at all, it just has to be negative-- and others will eat it up no questions asked needs to be studied at this point. We saw that in the months the show first aired. We saw that with the Angel Dust video. We're seeing this again here. I don't think we should be harassing anybody over fiction and in general (and needless to say don't harass any of these people) but calling out bad actors who pull shit like this more often and making it uncool to shittalk Hazbin Hotel and its fandom (and any fandom from unapologetically dark media where the people deal with enough bullshit already) for no reason and in bad faith is a change I'd be down with. Like, wash your mouth of its name and disappear into the shadow realm, goddamnit.

[ummyesisthisjasongrace]

I absolutely hate posts that are like "I ship Eddie Diaz x therapy" "he should really get to therapy" "go to therapy or draw 25" uno meme

Guys. You apparently are not watching the show nor have any kind of understanding for how the world works. He is in therapy. Has been for years. You don't go to therapy 4 times and suddenly all your problems are resolved and you'll never make mistakes again. For the majority of this show, Eddie Diaz has been in therapy and he still is (as far as I remember), so stop it with the stupid "puns", he has serious issues and does not fuck up merely for your entertainment or because therapy could have prevented all of it. He. Is. Trying.

And the whole Kim affair is far more comprehensible than any of you seem to understand you're only too blorbo-brainrot-centred to realise it

[melomaniap]

defending some of my favorite characters in media part one: misato katusragi from evangelion

if i see one more post being like "misato is a groomer!! misato is a pedophile!!" i will actually lose my fucking shit. how immature ARE y'all?? throughout the show, misato has been nothing but a mother figure to shinji. "but, the phone call with ritsu-" it's called a joke, you actual fucking dumbass. misato and ritsuko are close. when you are close with someone, you make jokes. IT'S CALLED COMMON SENSE. "but she kissed him" TO MOTIVATE HIM. misato literally knows no other way to encourage someone other than using her body. i'm not saying that what she did was okay, but i'm saying that she was doing all that she could think of in the moment. mind you that she was literally dying in this scene. not to mention, when everybody was in instrumentality, she says to him "i never wanted you to see this side of me." she didn't WANT shinji to think of her in that way, so why would she be coming on to him if she didn't want him to see her that way? be so fr. she said "we'll do the rest later" to motivate shinji. shinji is a teenage boy. teenage boys are hormonal. she is assuming that's what shinji wants. she is blindly trying to give him hope because the person this traumatized kid sees as his mother is LITERALLY DYING, not to mention the third impact is happening. shinji's mental health was in shambles at this point to where he could barely even stand up. she was doing all that she could think of to help him. it was a last resort thing that she never wanted to do. and she literally didn't even do anything sexual, she just kissed him and made a bit of a suggestive comment as a desperate attempt to help shinji in the only way she can think of how. the point of nge was to represent trauma. the finale is titled "take care of yourself" for a reason. y'all don't understand misato's character and it shows. it's like the point literally flew over you head. thank you for coming to my ted talk.

(by the way, i'm gonna do a couple of these with eva characters because this fucking fandom loves mischaracterization)

[windsweptinred]

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[crimeronan]

probably i SHOULDN'T migrate elsewhere if tumblr goes belly-up. i just scrolled thru my dash for 20 minutes and in that short span i could feel myself transform from a mildly tired 27-year-old butch into an active serial killer.

[monstersinthecosmos]

not for anything but friendly reminder that ~fandom discourse~ about where women belong (or people you perceive as women) is misogynistic as fuck. or what they're allowed to say, or what they're allowed to write about, or what they're allowed to enjoy.

next time you see someone having a tantrum and vaguing, especially if their posts from week to week completely contradict each other, perhaps analyze if the common denominator is "a gross woman said something and now i'm mad" without otherwise adhering to any actual principles.

[semi-sketchy]

Okay so short comment on the first Dark Beginnings part

For the good, ANIMATION IS SO PRETTY GO;SDFBHKGSDZBIKG LIKE LOOK AT THIS AWESOMENESS AND HOW IT SNAPS AROUND SO WONDERFULLY IT IS A JOY TO THE EYES AND IN 4K SO YOUTUBE DIDN'T COMPRESS IT TO HELL AND BACK YOU CAN ADMIRE EACH FRAME

Also the SOUND DESIGN AND MUSIC??? It's so good. So detailed. So perfect.

and that's about it.

I admit, I'm a little saddened by it immediately snapping to the present. I know, it's to promote the game, but I just really wanted some time spent with Shadow and Maria on the Ark. We really have gotten so little of that in the games and with this being called "Dark Beginnings" I was thinking it would actually be a bit about Shadow's beginnings, not just the game's beginning. Maybe that's stupid of me to even think, but I wanted to see Shadow and Maria without it being another illusion!

Plus, yeah, you can tell Flynn is writing this.

And that kills a lot of my enthusiasm. Sometimes it's good! I thought a lot of this was good! But once in awhile there's a line that reminds you who the one writing is. If you like him, great! It's those little things that bother me and overall make me disinterested in the story of SXSG as a whole. I don't like his writing style so I can pretty well guess I won't like it in-game.

Also, I'm sorry, I still don't like Kirk's Shadow voice. He's a very good actor, but I don't like that particular voice for Shadow. I prefer a smoother voice and Kirk's is quite raspy. I watched this in both Japanese and English and it was a better experience in Japanese. I think if I eventually play SXSG, I'm gonna do it in Japanese. It's been that big of an issue for me. (and I'm someone who prefers the dub of Xenoblade 2! JUSTICE FOR AL WEAVER)

I don't know. Maybe I'm just being bitter, not really enjoying Sonic as much, but god do I want to be excited for this. I want to join in on everyone saying "this is gonna be peak" but I just can't.

[lieutenant-teach]

If you think the Jedi are wrong, you don’t understand Star Wars.

[robinsnest2111]

I know it's inevitable with how fandom is nowadays but the amount of gleeful-sounding super aggressive DNIs tacked onto posts wishing harm/death on all non-antis and calling them pedos/rapists is kind of a bummer :/

[scoliosisgoblin]

Don't tell my fat ass to stop eating!! Cook more!!!!!!

I am trying 😔

[wild-magic-oops]

I'm so tired of the amount of dumbass takes about Gale I see. How do SO MANY people look at this character and then make conclusions that are so wild, so against what is shown, and very often they're about negative traits that other characters exhibit instead of Gale (yet those other characters are not shat on for it, funnily enough)

[duncanor]

Live footage of me when I read a fic where the author genuinely describe Vash as an useless idiot baby in comparaison to Knives

Y'all do not get him. I don't care if it's internal monologue(sometimes), when has he ever thought that in canon anyway ???

Also why is Knives considered the smarter twin??? Did we forget Vash is canonically a 150 years old tech wizard?? Do we forget the silliness is a mask and he's not actually a helpless dumbass???

He's literally the most capable dude on that rock, so much so it comes across as uncanny if not dead ass terrifying at times.

What are you saying 😭

[a-s-levynn]

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