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[unsolicited-opinions]

Here we go. Making a similar point with data, not an appeal to emotion and without claiming that every Palestinian is a terrorist.

In September of 2024, 2/3rds of Palestinians polled by PCPSR still expressed support for the 10/7/23 attacks and said they believed Hamas would prevail over Israel.

I'll be interested to see, in the next poll in the series, how Palestinian public opinion on these two questions has changed since Hamas declared victory with the ceasefire.

You can check out the polling details from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research.

It is worth noting that while I find this polling result appalling, the PCPSR saw the very same results from September 2024 as hopeful:

17 September 2024 For the first time since October 7, 2023, simultaneously in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, findings show significant drop in the favorability of the October 7 attack and in the expectations that Hamas will win the current war, and a moderate drop in the level of support for Hamas; moreover, findings show a drop in the Gaza Strip in the preference for a continued Hamas control over that area in the day after the war and a rise in the preference for PA control. Nonetheless, despite all that, support for Hamas remains the highest compared to all Palestinian factions. Furthermore, findings show significant rise in support for the two-state solution accompanied by a drop in the preference for armed struggle and a rise in the preference for negotiations as the best means of ending the Israeli occupation.  

I think this is an imperfect way to quantify/qualify Palestinian public opinion, but it's far better than regarding Liri's (understandable) feelings as truth.

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Jumblr (and others who wish to contribute in a respectful manner) i would like to discuss this post and get your thoughts on it!

Personally – something about this does not sit right with me. I understand what they're trying to say, but I feel like there is a better, less sensational wording. Not only do extreme and absolute statements like this just paint us as even worse in the eyes of the opposing side, but i also feel like it is unfair and lacks nuance. Not that I'm excusing it, but when you're a literal child and are raised with propaganda shoved down your throat and embedded in your language OF COURSE you are going to believe it and regurgitate it. It's their entire existence, it's all they know. I feel like we shouldn't be blaming young, impressionable children, but rather the adults indoctrinating them and molding their minds in such a way.

[xclowniex]

Fuck off you dumb fucking cunt

We can all agree that what happened to her was very bad, and I wish that was the end of what I'm about to say. Stop comparing Palestine to the holocaust. They are two separate situations.

And this isn't even about if they're on the same level or not as that doesn't matter. Please just stop going "oh is this the new holocaust? Is this the new Anne frank? Are Palestinians the new jews they're semites too ya know" like shut the actual fuck up.

And this wouldn't be such an issue if it wasn't paired with the erasure of jews (snd roma) from the holocaust. Like we are literally seeing the holocaust be rewritten online where instead of people acknowledging that antisemitism was the motivation behind it, and that antisemitism was steeped into other forms of bigotry like homophobia being antisemitic homophobia because the Nazis thought jews were the reason why people were gay, instead of recognizing that, it's being rewritten to just be this amorphous bad event(tm), which every minority was affected by equally. This is in part due to shit holocaust education as well as antisemitic conspiracy theories surronding the holocaust.

And going "oooo is this the new holocaust" about Palestine is just so fucking stupid. Because no it's not. It can never be, because the holocaust was unique in the fact that it was about HATING JEWS. IF A GENOCIDE IS NOT ABOUT HATING JEWS THEN ITS NOT THE NEW HOLOCAUST.

And the combination of the two just make it so fucking insidious. We are being written out of our own fucking history in more ways than one.

And also like, not to mention, calling what is happening in Gaza the "new holocaust" is not letting Palestinian history stand on its own. It's not letting the nuance flourish. It shouldn't be the new anything, it should be its own thing. Why does everything else get to be its own thing and get it's own name yet for palestinians its always compared to or dubbed the "Palestinian holocaust".

[unsolicited-opinions]

Alice Nderitu, the UN’s former special adviser on the prevention of genocide, was harassed and fired for refusing to call the war between Israel and Hamas a genocide.

Hen Mazzig on Insta

“It’s too much, the focus on Israel,” Nderitu says, adding, “I really don’t think people care about Africans.... I went to Chad, and I met the refugees from Sudan, and they were telling me, Right now, nobody is paying attention to our country. If there is ever peace and the cameras go in, you will face the most shocking thing of the century, a genocide that was completely ignored.... The I.C.C., the I.C.J.: Where are you when it comes to Sudan? You are very efficient when it comes to Gaza.”

[shinekocreator]

Antisemites on Instagram be like: "the holocaust didn't happen, but hitler was right, but all jews tell are lies, but Israel is committing a holocaust against Palestinians, genocide is bad, but all zionists deserve to die and Israel should be wiped of the map. I'm a good person 😊"

[barszcz-czerwony-i-biali]

If you speak Spanish, I highly recommend the interview with Ilana and Miriam (her mother) from Radio Sefarad

[pettytiredandjewish]

To the pro Palestine and anti Zionist crowds:

Are y’all proud for freeing Gaza by not voting (or by voting for the orange fucker?)

[boreal-sea]

If you are pro-Palestine:

You need to love women more than you hate Israel.

You need to love lgbtq people more than you hate Israel.

You need to love disabled people more than you hate Israel.

You need to love immigrants more than you hate Israel.

You need to love intersex people more than you hate Israel.

You need to love people of color more than you hate Israel.

You need to love Jews more than you hate Israel.

You need to love Palestinians more than you hate Israel.

Who did you vote for? DID you vote?

If you didn’t vote for Harris, then you hate Israel more than you love Palestinians. And you have doomed them. You’ve doomed us all to an erosion of our rights.

You didn’t win. You didn’t gain anything by doing this. Dems learned that bigotry wins elections. They’re going to swing right.

[normal-thoughts-official]

Please stop seeing politics as an identity and start seeing it as a collective means for change

[thecorvidforest]

in light of a four day ceasefire in Gaza being agreed upon, i am once again asking you all not to lose sight of the big picture. Biden and the Israeli Government are trying to frame this as a major democratic victory and as a favor respectively. they have no intention of a total ceasefire. they have no intention of stopping their genocide. remember - a ceasefire is the very first step. it’s not even the bare minimum.

the absolute bare minimum in this situation is 1) a complete ceasefire and immediate humanitarian aid in Gaza, 2) complete halt of all military foreign aid to the Israeli government, 3) the Israeli government being prosecuted for its war crimes in the International Criminal Court, and 4) land back and reparations for the Palestinian people. free Palestine means free Palestine, not just temporarily stop carpet bombing Palestine.

a temporary ceasefire is something, but it’s not even close to the end goal. we cannot let up pressure when things seem to be looking up. keep protesting, boycotting, spreading awareness, contacting politicians, etcetera. keep your eyes on Gaza. free Palestine.

[nimrochan]

It’s so hilarious to me that people spent all this time the past year and a half boycotting and protesting Israeli goods, and now they’re flocking to RedNote in the wake of TikTok being possibly banned.

China has literally one of the worst industrialized oppression of Muslims on the planet. Like actual internment camps, forced labor, apartheid, and forced sterilization. Like r u serious.

[gingerswagfreckles]

I think people need to understand that when someone says the situation in Israel/Palestine is complicated they are not necessarily saying that the discussion of who the oppressor vs oppressed is complicated. The Israeli government has been oppressing the Palestinians for a very long time, that is clear, and it is not complicated to understand that at least since the 80s they have had dramatically more financial and military power to keep control of the territory in the way they like.

However, it is reductive and dismissive to insist that there is no complexity in the potential ways to move forward to bring peace to the region. Despite what people on tumblr.edu like to believe, "Israel should never have been created" is not a practical solution to an incredibly heated geopolitical situation in the present day. Israel was created and it does exist. 10 million people live there. 74% of the population is native born and the country has existed for 75 years. Hand waving these fact away with the opinion that "they should move back to where they came from" may make you feel good about being a Radical Leftist, but it does not give anyone a road map for how exactly millions of people without dual citizenship are supposed to just up and evaporate. Nor does it acknowledge the reality that 21% of Israelis are Arabs, the very people you are claiming to want to give the land back to.

Insisting that there's nothing complicated about expecting an entire country's population to willingly dissappear with no consequences is not a productive way to think about this conflict. It ignores the many massive superpowers that have an interest in proping up different states in the region, the power dynamics involved in any land back movements, and the inevitably negative consequences of totally dissolving an established state without a plan. It is also completely and almost comically unrealistic, so much so that it makes it hard to believe that anyone who's opinion starts and ends with this idea really gives a shit about anyone who lives in the area as much as they care about their online leftist clout.

There's nothing complicated in understanding that the Israeli government is and has been maintaining an oppressive apartheid state for decades. It is, however, very complicated to come up with a realistic way to resolve some of the most intricately entangled land disputes on the planet without plunging the region into total chaos. Not everyone has to be deeply educated on every geopolitical situation, but it is very hard to take people seriously when they know nothing about the politics or history of a region and yet insist that there is nothing complicated about it at all.

There's a lot of people on this website who are getting dangerously smug about their own ignorance, and are starting to go down Qanon type anti-intellectual paths in the name of being sufficiently radical. Not knowing the details of a very convoluted land dispute isn't something to brag about online as you call for intentionally reductive solutions. You can support the Palestinian cause and be aware of the oppression they have faced while also holding off on calling people trying to do real analysis and de-escalation work bootlickers. We need to get control of the urge to fit every global issue into a simplistic YA novel narrative structure that appeals to Western revolutionary fantasies.

[unsolicited-opinions]

Some Jewish takes on Trump's plan for the US to forcibly, permanantly remove about two million people from Gaza (ethnic cleansing) and to redevelop it under US ownership:

[kosherkept]

just thinking about how totally leftists opinions shifted from 2020 to 2023/2024 like

"a person of color being a bad person doesn't mean they deserve to face racism" >> "bad jews deserve what they get"

"black lives matter" >> "slavery is okay if the houthis do it"

"the US government is bad but people arent usually represented by their governments, most of us didnt vote for trump anyway" >> "all israelis are evil because of netanyahu's actions"

"if one nazi sits down at a table of 9 normal people, there are 10 nazis" >> *allowing swastikas and HH salutes at protests*

"silence is violence" >> "it isnt my job to talk about antisemitism"

"racial minorities shouldnt have to try to pass as white, 'white passing' privilege is complicated and should be treated as such" >> "jews are white and i wont entertain any other possibility, historical or otherwise"

"let minorities define their own bigotry" >> "jews dont know what real antisemitism is and theyre exaggerating anyway"

“immigrants should be protected and deportation is wrong” >> “israelis need to go back to where they came from”

obviously this isn't a comprehensive list & feel free to add more if you see fit but the amount of things these people did a total 180º on as soon as it was about jews is insane

[notaplaceofhonour]

Not At Odds

Ceasefire Now + Bring Them Home Now

Jewish & Palestinian safety & freedom are not at odds with each other; they are interconnected. These things can must coexist.

[mzminola]

Every time I see news of crowds agitating against Israel outside a synagogue, or museum, or Jewish day school full of children, or restaurant, or educational event, and so on in the US, every time my thought is why the fuck aren't you holding this 'protest' at city hall? Or your state legislature? Or your federal reps' offices?

A random Jewish institution in the United States has absolutely zero power to affect the decisions made by Israel's parliament or military. You're not "raising awareness" or "drawing attention to the issue" because the general public of the US is already at least somewhat aware thanks to the news, and Jewish people are in fact one of the groups in the US to be the most fucking aware of what's going on.

If you are upset by US military aid going to Israel, you need to convince your federal representatives to change that. Those reps do not base US military foreign aid policy on random US citizens harassing other US citizens.

If you want the US to provide more civilian relief in the form of food, medicine, or helping refugees come here, you need to convince reps at every level. Can your city partner with a refugee organization to arrange housing? Can your governor arrange scholarships or exchange programs to state universities? Can the feds channel more funds to Doctors Without Borders?

Do a write and call-in campaign. Hold your protest at legislatures. File a petition. Do something to directly express your desires to the elected officials who have a direct say in policy.

We've held protests at city halls and state legislatures and federal buildings for centuries. Why aren't you doing so for this issue?

Why are you macing people attending synagogue? They have no more power over elected officials' choices than you do.

Why are you screaming at schoolchildren? They have less power over elected officials' choices than you do.

Why are you blocking entrance to a museum? Hold a fundraiser to build your own, if you want to educate people so badly!

I know the antisemites don't actually care about US military & foreign aid policy. I know the racists are simply reveling in an excuse to whip up a mob to attack Jews. It's obvious.

But if you really, truly want to help the people of Gaza, you need to stop being part of that hateful mob, and organize your own, real political actions that directly engages with your elected representatives.