#i totally thought mspec meant like

[doki-doki-lesbians-club]

the anon asking about pan lesbian monika may be referring to me, the person who originally sent the hc. if so, hi!

I'm not a pan lesbian (just a lesbian), but the idea came from how comphet-coded monikas attraction to the player is. she's supposedly in love with this person she knows literally nothing about, while being a character in a dating sim meant to fall in love with the player character. it's very likely she believes she's in love because she's supposed to be, and not that she actually is. it's a feeling i resonate with a lot. (altho its to be noted that this works just as well for an aromantic headcanon. both is good.)

that being said, she's also canonically pan and I don't wanna erase that, thus; pan lesbian!

as for why she would identify with it, I imagine it being similar to a friend of mine; experiencing attraction to any gender, but preferring sapphic relationships.

I hope this all makes sense!

That absolutely makes sense. And thanks for the follow-up!

I can totally see this headcanon playing out, very well thought I think! Also, the comphet aspect of DDLC is one of my favorite bits to explore in headcanon, fanfiction, etc. not only because it resonates with me (both trans and lesbian) but also because it leads to discussions like this where we give the girls a choice and discuss what they might do. AHH I love this part of fandom!!!

Anyways, yes, I see what you mean! I also wonder if maybe Monikaa would be one of those pansexuals who's like "Oh I'm pan, but I lean towards girls." or something like that. Not necessarily MSPEC, but still the same idea, y'know? Just spitballin ideas here!

Monika, and by extension her attraction, is a complex topic and I enjoy these conversations about it! Whether she's just pan, pan (sapphic-leaning), ace/panromantic, or pan lesbian, she's valid! And you're valid! And we're all just having healthy discussion of these silly little characters we love so much (;w;) so thank you for the ask~! I really love this topic, might make a quite post outlining some of the thoughts we've generated here in my askbox :3

[intersexuai]

'radqueer' alternative (and what I think you might have thought the term meant possibly) would be 'radinclus/radinclusionist/radical inclusionist'. basically that you believe in including all "good faith" identities like aspecs, neogenders and neopronouns, those with and without dysphoria or transition goals, mspecs and mspec monos (so pan/omni/poly/etc. and then bi gays, bi lesbians, etc.), and similar such as microlabeling or choosing to be totally unlabeled. But none of the 'transx'/pro-contact paraphilia/'you can transition to intersex' non-"good faith" shit like radqueer/"transx"

thank you so much, gonna make sure to use this from now on

[overwatch-imagines-hub]

Yep, demisexual falls under the aspec umbrella along with asexual, grey asexual, and aromantic! Also I noticed i the tags you mentioned mspec, that stands for multi-sexual I'm pretty sure so anyone that likes more than just one gender is mspec I think

Ah, okay, good to know!

Thanks to @cryptichobbit and @toontwink who also provided some feedback in the comments of the post asking that question!

[posi-pan]

I’m honestly so tired of seeing people have something like “dni if you’re pan/believe pan is more inclusive than bi” in their dni/byf pages because like… 1. Way to be exclusionist right off the bat!! Cool! and 2. most of us don’t think that and haven’t thought that for a very long time.

Just because some folks, who tend to be young and/or new to the concept of pansexuality and other non-bi mspec identities, might have the belief that pan is more inclusive doesn’t mean that we are all sharing that belief and we should all be judged for it. I constantly see pan folks educating others on why that isn’t necessarily true and why it can be harmful to carry that belief. But yeah, instead of focusing on that and trying to aid those who’re misinformed, let’s just lump pan folks together and exclude all of us off of your own misinformation and misconception of how pansexuals feel and define our identity. Totally a cool thing to do.

It’s funny how nobody argues when bi folks make the claim that bisexuality has always be the most inclusive label and always meant “all”, though. Bisexual history that disputes that as well as bi folks who don’t fit into the “all” category just don’t matter I guess. It’s totally fine for people to be misinformed about that. But be even just slightly misinformed about pansexuality? Nah, you’re blocked, sent hate and harassed off the site before you can even respond. It’s ridiculous.

preach 👏

[pantasticpans]

I’m not sure if I’m a lesbian, pansexual, or asexual + panromantic. I feel kind I’d date someone of any gender but would only have sex with girls. The thought of sex in general makes me extremely anxious and kinda grosses me out but part of me feels like I’m just scared because I’m a virgin. Any advice?

Hello! First let me say that questioning is normal, as is going by a label or a few for a while and then changing them later once you discover more about yourself. Labels are meant to make you happy/comfortable, and if they’re stressing you out, it’s okay to put them away for a while and go by more general ones. But I can totally understand the want for a specific label and community, so onto more specific advice!

You likely know that asexuality is not experiencing sexual attraction. I’ve seen two different defs for sexual attraction: that it’s wanting to do sexual actions with a specific person (this specificity is important!) and/or that it evokes a physical response that I’ve seen compared to ‘hunger.’ It’s a physical, kind of unmistakable feeling from what I’ve heard. I mention this because it’s possible to be repulsed/anxious about sex while still being non-ace (like what you mentioned with possibly being anxious due to new territory).

That being said, the majority of aces ARE repulsed by and/or have little interest in sex. The fact that you’re questioning and have anxiety/repulsion around sex is a possible indicator of being acespec, but it’s up to you to decide! It comes down to if you experience sexual attraction, and if so, to which gender(s). And remember that you never have to force yourself to “experiment.” There are plenty of acespec people who knew they were ace before doing any of that, myself included!

It also sounds possible to me that you’re panromantic because you could date someone of any gender.

You may want to “try on” the labels of panromantic and/or pansexual, asexual, or lesbian and see how they feel. How well do they match up to your experiences? Do you feel comfortable? Do the communities feel like home?

One last note: many lesbians have talked about how internalized heteronormativity led them to identify as aspec or mspec until they realized they were only attracted to women. If you feel this may be a factor, I’d consider looking into coercive heteronormativity and the experiences of lesbians who went through that. I’m not a lesbian or wlw myself so I’m not the best to talk to about this, but I felt it was important to mention just in case.

Best of luck! :)

[lopez-richter-fangirl]

“You’re the one talking about whether she’s bi and trying to label her” literally wtf do you think they mean when they say they think she’s gay?? Obviously they meant they thought she was bi or some other mspec label bc Joey. I just used bi bc it was quicker and easier. Also those things you mentioned are literally the jokes I was talking about in like my first ask? Idk I guess making jokes or acknowledging someone’s objective beauty makes you gay which I guess means everything I know is wrong🤷

Well personally I use gay as a totally umbrella term and actually when I’m talking in terms of Lauren I usually say just Not Straight which covers even just the fluidity she’s talked about where HYPOTHETICALLY she could be attracted to women but not in any way that makes her want to redefine her whole sexuality. I’m just trying to make clear that we’re not *assuming* anything. But the way you seem to be think they’re forcing a sexuality on someone maybe they do think she’s actually a lesbian and her relationship with Joey is fake 🤷🏻‍♀️ And as I said, you can say something in a joking tone and still have it be somewhat truthful. Unless you think she’s only joking about those things to ridicule them? But more likely she’s probably just secure in her own sexuality whatever that may be and not likely to be upset by people over a decade younger than her on the internet who are ALSO making jokes

[slimesprinkles]

hey all, just wanted to clarifying here that i was under the impression that mspec lesbian meant masc leaning lesbians and not what it apparently actually means, i dont really know anything about any of that or want to involve myself further in this discourse but i thought i should clear up that im 26 years old and have absolutely no social media other than tumblr and discord where i only interact with like 10 people total so i have no idea whats going on, please dont send us any messages about any of this as the other mods are not involved and i have no idea what im talking about ✌️ goodnight and peace and love on earth

~jelly

hey, austim has mspec lesbian exclusionists on their dni and you rbed from a mspec lesbin exclusionist,,,

oh no! could you link me the post/tell me their url so i can block them? thank you for letting us know!

~jelly

[betterthanaphobes]

hello hope ur havin a nice day! i just wanted to ask what sga means because I've seen it used a couple times recently in like. discourse and stuff (in context to a anon you replied to earlier + said it was a conversion therapy term?) and i always thought it meant student gov association so ive obviously missed something 😨 sorry if im bothering u. you're great + love the blog!!! thank u for all your help!

omggg s totally ok basically it means “same gender attracted” which has been used in conversion therapy before

if someone wants to use it for themself its fine but exclusionists have a tendency to force the definition of “sga or trans” on the lgbtq+ community, which excludes not only aspec people but also non-”sga” mspec people and nonbinary people who dont identify as trans, along with a lot of other people who belong in tghe community