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i need ta rant and i dont wanna go bother my friends. so why not add to my digital footprint lets go future employers if you find this enjoy
uh. cw for like. talk abt slurs/racism(?)/homophobia nd transphobia (kinda)
i keep loosing my friends cuz theyre all saying stupid shit. not dropping names but lets say his name is tincan. so tincan and I have been feiends for like 3-4 yrs now and hes a great dude. bit weird soemtimws but hes silly and were on the same wavelength roughly. well imagine my surprise qhere one day in class he just randomly says the n word and stafts cackling like irs so funny!!!!! (hes white btw.) yes king racial slurs are mx FAVORITE form of comedy ššš and so ofc i turn to him and im like. tincan that isnt ok what. and he goes dwdw i have the pass ........,........ i think that speaks for itself. and so i go ok. this dudes weird! and i will probably not be talking to him anymore!! but then we have like break right. two weeks and im travelling. out of NOWHERE.DEADASS NOWHERE WE HADMT TWXTED IN AGES. this man sends me a fucking DICK PIC. WITH RHE FUCKING CAPTION OF "i gotchu man since you like dick" NOT OUT OF NOWHERE YOU DRIED LIZARD. and i also didnt have data so i couldnt even reply for ages and it was horrible. and ofc i reply like tincan. what the actual fuck. AND THIS MF GOES "mb i thought you liked dick" LIKE HE WAS DOING ME A FAVOR OR SOME SHIT. so i get PISSEDDD. and i contemplate blocking him and im like youve changed fast af and hes like well what have i done other than send that pic. I DUNNO. SAID THE N WORD? SAID THE F SLUR TO. MY. FACE. AND LAUGHED IT OFF? AGREED WHEN ONE KF YOUR FRIWNDS WAS BEING TRANSPHOBIC TO ME INFRONT OF ME EVEN THOUGH YOUVE PREACHED SO MUCH ABOUT HOW YOUD NEVER STAND FOR THAT???? and then tincan was like ohh okk im sorry ill change for you. idk why he added for you it was weird and creepy and icky. sigh idk what to do tho bc like i dont want to completely push him away bc he is a valuable person to have for like general school matters. but i also do NOT want to be friwnds w someone like that. im just emotionally distancing myswlf for now like im not talking abt personal shit w him and im being more like surface level in convos
hes not rhe knly one tho like my closest friwnd rn is also kind of jumping on the bandwagon. he was talking abt rhis guy who he calls sometimws online and like plays games with (minecraft n shi) and he was like "oh yea he says the n word but its funny because hes british" (yea the guys white ofc (the online guy))and then proceeds to show me a clip of this guy saying the n word while theyre on voice chat while barely managing to hold his laughter. how is this funny im sorry huh? and i just like nodded or whatever cuz i was utterly dumbfounded that he would ever like even find something as stupid and uncreative as that funny. like........... š§
anyway. i texted him and i was like yo just warning you i dont like the direction youre changing in and if i hear you say the n word we arent chill anymore bc its way too many ppl now. like be so real
what is so funny abt a racial slur. ill never know!!!!!
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BTS In The SOOP EP4 - HOBIās REVENGE (The full recap)
I havent done a recap since Ep 1 and technically that wasnt a recap but more for fun. However, after watching todayās episode, I felt inclined to share some thoughts as I found this to be such a lovely and heartfelt episode that truly exemplified not only each member and how they are as well as dynamics between them so im making this exception. This may be a long read for some but if you make it to the end then ā¤ļøand feel free comment. Welcome to a summary/analysis of my thoughts throughout this episode full of cute moments between certain memberĀ āshipsā. I put that in quotations to point out that I look at these platonically in a friendly way (with the exception of 1 lol) but also as a way to emphasize how each member looks to another as different likes and circumstances arise. We all can fully see that OT7 truly have a special bond unlike other idol groups who pretend for years only to be discredited later. However, it shouldnt come as a surprise that some members are closer to some than others and that isnt a bad thing, just like we all may have that 1 or those 2 people we wanna tell first when you have a major life event or need to just talk. That is the main reason for my recap today, to talk about these and how it genuinely warms my heart because even though they may not act like their full real selves here, after all, this will be seen on broadcast by the general public and not just fans, this is probably the closest we get to their domestic normal selves, no narrative, no event or photoshoot to prepare for, just them doing things as they go.Ā
We start off after the dinner scene where everyone has dispersed into their own thing. Cue to V sitting by himself in the main house about to sing karaoke. As anyone who has followed him along the years, you already know that he often prefers his ownĀ āmeā moments and its just cute to watch him start singing to his hearts content that its even pointed out by his hyungs as they sit outside further away chatting. Its nice to see him happily enjoying whatever he feels like doing with no care in the world but I do shy away from calling him an introvert as he can be the social butterfly.Ā
We then cut to Namseok sitting outside, drinking some beer, having a heart to heart. The rap line has obviously been close for a long time but the way Hobi speaks about his chat with Joon that night and how it feels natural and not awkward shows you that they gravitate towards one another vs possibly some other members in terms of lets say normal adult discussions where its not about jokes or laughter but just growing up and responsibilities or random hobbies and its a beautiful thing to see. Between Hobi wishing he could sing (I think he has a lovely voice and should try it out even when he thinks he isnt good) to Joon talking about writing in a journal or feeling like this is a break they should have where they retire, its cute, its normal non celeb talk, and just a moment between 2 likeminded friends. Iāll finish off this scene with another *Joon should just not touch things in general* moment when he drops the mosquito defector and all Hobi does is smile and reply...Ā
(Friendship Goals...)
Jimin decides to join shortly after but doesnt have a beer in hand, the hyungs are quick to point that there is some in the other fridge but Jimin dismisses it and goes to sit as all he wants is to be in their company awww. He mentions that he will take some cold medicine and Hobi immediately questions if heās feeling unwell to which he replies that he is in fact not feeling well. This cause an immediate reaction of concern from the hyungs as Joon tells him to put his hood on to evade a bit of the cold air and Hobi insists in a serious manner to not disobey and do as they say after jimin says its fine. Double awww š„ŗ
Their night ends with Minimoni heading out to another mini tournament of ping pong because why not, Jimin trying to convince Hobi to watch them because awww, and Joon telling Jimin to not torture Hobi like that š. Joon reading the room and knowing its not his thing cracks me up, baby mochi just wants him around haha.
The scene then cuts to the next morning where we finally see Yoongi waking up from him sleep nest in the search for water. He is still out of it as he cutely blames someone from taking his water to only realize a few moments later that that someone was him š.
Lil meow meow cutely wobbles out of his camper to go get a drink only to suspiciously look around like heās spotting the cameras. Perhaps to make a Yoongi Part 3 impromptu advertisement??? We all know how good he is at those š. He finally asks himselfĀ āWhat should I doā. Story of my life he probably thinks in his mind... meanwhile I go, just rest.Ā
We then cut to another episode of the Chronicles of Jin: TheĀ āItās still Hotā saga where I genuinely wonder why he still chooses the tent when im sure another arrangement is possible but do you boo. As always, the forever RJ representative cutely wears his pjās as he heads to the main house not before stopping to do the most random thing ever...Ā
The editorās caption speaks for itself lol.
He finds his way inside to stumble upon baby Tae still kinda sleepy looking complaining to the sink where dishes were left unwashed the prior night. His annoyance cracks me up and then he starts to play with a mini skillet/stove? and we finally get a moment of Tae cooking... yayy. He cutely complains as the rice is not staying together and tests out the sugar level to then realize it needs more and its adorable. Hobi wakes up and heads downstairs to encounter Jin at the piano again and cutely heads towards Tae to smack his butt and ask for some food, cueĀ VHOPE cuteness, which later continues when Hobi wants to time Taeās food with his jog haha. Tae again complains about the dishes and proceeds to drag a chair closer to the stove because I guess the 2 second distance from the table is too much? šCute..
Back to 2Seok which to what I have seen in videos is not often, agreeing to go for a jog as well as disagreeing on how to go about it. Jin is like America (we go out to the store in sweats with unruly hair and not give an F LOL) and Hobi is like Korea (Where everyone dresses nice no matter what the occasion) Side note* this is my perspective as an american who has visited korea, they just do fashion better over there and I want to buy it all āŗļø. I guess Hobi ends up finally convincing Jin to change because next thing they are out and about in their morning jog.
Back to baby Tae and random inexplicable moment of the episode #2... He removes the plate from the chair then proceeds to sit on the floor to taste his treat when the chair is now empty...š§š
2seok is now on their jog down the road and Hobi stops to rest on the side with Jin judging himĀ āWe only ran for 3 minutes and you already want to rest?ā LOLOL. He then proceeds to take some of Hobiās water and insists on carrying the bottle back because it makes him look good on camera. LMAO Jin, stay humble always... š. Hobi just does a literal SMH.
Cutscene to the view where different rooms are shown at once and I spot the second room next to Jungkook in the floating house with the door open.. Hmmm who opened it I wonder? Was someone using the room??
Back to V being his cute self enjoying hisĀ āmeā time. He proceeds to play again with the rc boat and I almost panic a little at what seems like he may fall into the water trying to place it there. Good thing he doesnt but he gets the wrong control remoter and rushes back to get the right one. Once it finally moves its like all is right in the world. Cute. We get a short glimpse of him in the floating house and seeing that Jungkook is still fast asleep.
We then see Yoongi back at the top house heading in to read his book, shortly after the 3 amigos V, Hobi and Jin are walking in as Jin previously mentioned he was hungry, cue to start of meal prepping.Ā
We finally see the final member we havent seen wake up, baby mochi in all his fairy like self is still in bed. Tae is the first to open the door to his room and proceeds to cutely jump over him, play around, get pushed back and complain and then just lay on top of him with his butt facing the door. Excuse me while I melt in cuteness..myĀ VMIN heart... ā¤ļø
Only to literally do a 180 and LAUGH my ass off when Hobi walks in, sees them there and just goes NOPE.. walking out š
Apparently 2seok have decided on their meal plan and the ever so helpful ray of sunshine seems at a loss on how to set the charcoal on fire, note that he could have asked Jin but he heads to Yoongi for help (Bring in some SOPE love :)). Either way here I was hoping Yoongi would just chill and it seemed like that was the plan until he saw Hobiās lostness and eagerness to help so he decides to step up again and help out. Itās kinda evident he didnt plan to when he goesĀ āOh okā after being told what they plan to eat but proceeds to jump in at Hobiās lostness in terms of making a fire. Cute.Ā
Cue back to Hobi disturbing the soulmates and whatever little cute slaps Tae was giving Jimin to probably wake up to ask him to fetch the torch because hes finally done running between the houses like last episode lol. The ever obedient Tae obliges immediately, Jimin remains in bed.Ā
Were back at the main house and maybe not every caught on but its ADORABLE how Joon goes out with the plan to play with the boat like Tae but leaves it abandoned to see where all the other members are. Note, he is for some reason limping all of a sudden and I think it may have to do with why he left early for personal reasons, I hope he was ok. Potential theory, could Jin slapping the boxer bag have anything to do with it? š§.
Anyways, even with his leg issue he literally walks around to the other house, checks on all members and ends up back at the main house sitting next to Jungkook, encouraging him as he is building a glider and then ultimately telling him he will keep him company by sitting next to him and reading a book. Even takes care of him by bringing him a drink. Awwww KookieMonster ā¤ļø
anddd were back to the others in the upper house.Ā
SOPE taking the lead with building a fire..
TAEJIN figuring out the fish with Tae sporting an adorable hat and looking lost but still willing to help his hyung. Cutely Tae later makes Hobi aware on how this is his first time putting a knife on a fish and learning that a fishās life is previous. AWWWW..Ā
Its the little things that I like to point out, the members gravitate towards who they feel more in tune with. Tae to help Jin and Suga to help Hobi although the opposite would have be interesting to watch lol.
We then get Yoongi thawing out the ribs, Hobi trying to get veggies and LITERALLY pulling out the roots of a poor plant š, Yoongi legit pulling up a chair to read while cooking (poor thing haha), Jin crying because hes wasting the fish fillet as hes still learning, Joon adoringly looking at JK while he continues building his glider like a big brother, JK finally giving up and whining that hes gonna ask Hobi for help (HOPEKOOK cutely building a glider? yes please), JK looking over to see what Joon is reading, giving up again and ultimately moving out with Joon looking up likeĀ āYou leaving me?ā and then looking at the camera LOL.Ā
The 3 cooks up in the upper house are busy in their own thing when Jin asks for the location of the wrapper with SOPE rapping in return making a joke about them being theĀ ārappersā haha.Ā
Back at the main house Taekook are cooking together. It makes me laugh at the difference between the hyungs cooking above. For starters, JK is cooking sausage for some time but I legit wanna teleport myself over there to tell himĀ āHey, cut it in pieces, you are burning the bottom of it but the inside is still rawā š... thankfully he does that eventually.... Meanwhile little sweet Tae is getting fancy on us and bringing his wine habits into the mix making an appetizer and struggling to open the Jamon packet even though (as the camera clearly zooms in on) the scissors are right next to him...These two are funny.Ā
Finally someone acknowledges that Jimin is still alive somewhere LOL and its none other than Yoongi who says it out loud in the kitchen then passes by his room but instead of waking him up just cheers him on then walks away haha (YOONMIN ā¤ļø)
However that lasts for about 2 seconds before Yoongi comes back and ask Jimin to gather the others from the other house for lunch as the other members are busy and Jimin listens obediently by rolling over and calling Joon and with a hoarse voice letting him know Yoongiās instructions. Poor Jimin, he sounds unwell š„ŗ. Joon goes to gather the younglings, Tae makes it up and decides to decorate the cheese with a red umbrella only to look dissatisfied and make it a blue one lol. They then have some random cuts of moments because JKās sausages appear on the table but we never see him walk up and then he magically walks out the house but dont show any of that.. hmmmm. Iāll leave my thoughts at that since some people might understand what im alluding to :).Ā
Yoongi is taking out the ribs and accidentally drops a piece and we get the following reactions;
Yoongi: little scream š±
Joon: Just use the 3 second rule š
JK: Just wash it and then recoat it with more sauce and that should fix it š
To which Yoongi can only look slightly flabbergasted at the suggestion and throws it backĀ āDo you wanna eat them?ā hahaha
They all finally gather at the table including Jimin and I see that both him and Joon look a little off, I hope they got better soon after but for sure they seemed sick. Jin sweetly talks about always wanting to make the dish he prepared and how complicated it is and refers to it being a hard dish to make for a Family (the BTS bond is one of a kind). All the members admire the sampling of food, Jimin calls out the cuteness of Taeās umbrella on the cheese, JK helps Jimin break the ribs apart, Tae tells everyone to try his appetizer, the memberās cutely all aww and ohh when they find out he cut the melon š, everyone but JK and Tae seem to know the dish, Hobi and Jimin cue to immediately try it for their friend so he doesnt feel left out, after trying it he cutely asks Jimin how it tastes and waits for his response, another awww, soulmate responds with its diff (which probably isnt his taste but eats it anyway for him ) lol and it zooms out with someone asking (sounds like Jin?) what they will have for dinner to have another member whom I cant tell reply LETS STARVE.Ā Ā TheseĀ clowns šbut I get it, it took like hours to cook each meal.
They get ready to clean and apparently prep something for dinner with Joon washing the dishes and eventually asking Jk for help who is busy cooking rice eventually summoning Jimin who heard his name with Jk cutely smacking his butt to tell him Joon called him to then Jimin telling Joon not to worry and he will take over ( I reread this whole sentence and ran out of breath haha but then again im not here for proper grammer.. oopps). This leads us to a sweet domestic Jikook moment where he asks JK to help him dry the dishes and the other obliges and they just fall in routine.. just cute.
Joon heads back to the main house to pack and I honestly think he probably was heading for a doctor check up, he just seemed out of it š„ŗ
Jimin gets done with the dishes and ends up next to Tae as the soulmates cutely discuss the game he is playing and Tae announces his kills and loses.
Jimin is then next to Hobi in the other house who is getting ready to customize his shoes, he asks Jimin to join but he doesnt seem enthusiastic to the idea so Hobi just goesĀ āIāll just do what I likeā and to me sounding a little sad since this isnt the first time hes asked Jimin to do an activity with him lol. Before walking away Jimin starts singing a song about it. Yoonjin are back again as buddies down the lake fishing and we get a sweet after interview of Yoongi admitting he is not interested in fishing but he does it because Jin invites him. You KNOW you only do those kind of things for your closest friends or family and that was sooo sweet. YOONJIN goals!
Back at the house we see that Jimin ultimately decided to join Hobi and we get cute JIHOPE moments. Im glad because I honestly got the vide since the beginning of in the soop that he wanted to spend more time with Jimin and hadnt had the chance. They both decorate a shoe each and are careful not to splatter on each other. I also spy with my little eyes... an Iphone?? tsk tsk tsk.. all the others are at least trying and Jimin is like nope hahahaha. If that was indeed a samsung then my bad.
Next thing we know JK and Jimin are harmonizing and sounded just beautiful, can we get another subunit please? I know they did Who and We dont talk anymore but a legit korean song.. anyone? Ok.. moving on haha
Now here is a group I havent seen hang out together often, IĀ know yoongi mostly keeps to himself but I was wondering if we would see any interactions longer than just passing food or related to meal prep between Yoongi and JK/Tae but here we are, the 2 kiddos singing and the hyung just watching on. Yay..
We later see Jimin revealing his excitement over the art project and im glad he enjoyed doing that with Hobi.
Hilariously enough, not long after, while deep into another song, Yoongi tells Jk that he needs to get out to pack. Jkās reaction? Proceed to continue singing and kinda ignores hahaha. Cue to the camera angle still showing JK doing his thing and an exasperated looking parent *aka yoongi* just staring at him like š
They all head to pack their belongings and we fast forward to them playing games in the upper house. While Jimin is packing he walks out and asks to no one in particular where his hanbok piece is, then sees Jk playing in with the VR and proceeds to go up to tickle him cutely (domestic much? š„°). This is ironically followed up by mischievous Tae wanting in on the fun by standing up from his spot and moving behind JK and after what seems like thinking it over, carefully tugs his pants down but not with the intention to actually pull them. JK laughs at this and goes āYou shouldnt do thatā hahaha. Which begs the question, did he know who tried to pull a fast one on him? LOLĀ Ā
Everyone is back to their usual roles, the 3 cooks prepping the dinner, the maknae line just doing their thing between JK still in the VR game and Vmin cutely playing games in the corner. Yoongi seems like he NEVER rests, poor thing. He sees them prepping the ramen and suggest they add meat and ends up cooking meat. He is such a DAD and im all for it. While all this is happening there is a whole ruckus in the background and we hear the maknae line having a blast but only get a short glimpse of what is happening when the camera is still on the cooks. Apparently Jimin is now on the VR game and Jk decides to mess with him by taking a controller away and putting it behind his back, as Jimin tries to reach out to find it somehow, mischievous Tae is back at it and steals the other and moves it all the way to the other side presumably above the food shelf LMAO. I gather from the way that Jimin reaches UP and not straight out when reaching towards JK and the controller that this is DEF not the first time this has happened and when it has JK played theĀ āI am taller and you cant reach thisā stance, so of course Jiminās instinct is to reach above his head hahaha.
They finally get down to eat and they all run to the table, I spook a cute Jikook moment of JM sitting next to JK and pulling the chair up leaving little room LOL, then Hobi still needs help so Jimin proceeds to go in to help with JK not far behind and a cute JiHopeKook hug alongside a Jikook sweet moment (I see that waist caress there JK šš„°šš) and they all make it back to the table with their meals ready. Tae makes sure to remind Jimin there is also meat for him to grab. Aww, ive lost count of the times that these two have been looking out for the other and its just so subtle but sweet af.Ā
Its time to finally go homeeeee. They all decide on whoās going in what car and then suddenly Jin remembers to check his fishing rod.Ā
Now... you may be wondering why I called this Hobiās revenge. Well well well.. I want to say that slowly, Hobi decided to butter Jin up by hanging out all day long to eventually go full betrayal mode muahahaha. I kid I kid. But as life turns out, Hobi was presented with an opportunity to return the favor of Jinās BV4 master plan to abandon him in New Zealand. Well well well... how the tables have turned. He tells his plans to the other nearby and they immediately agree š. Cue to a total pandemonium... Hobi rushing them in, Yoongi slowly walking to his car because of course he aint gonna run, Jimin trying to drag his suitcase, Tae running from the house in a cute manner probably going hehehehehe as he hears the plan, Jungkook walking up to them with no idea whats going on, having like 1 second to understand it, and then immediately running unsure of what to do until Jimin goesĀ āHelp me load this in!ā.Ā
Jin finally approaches and they get in in time and start driving off.Ā Jin finally goes heyyyyyyyy and cant believe what is happening, shouts out Yoongi, like you cant do this to me LOLOL. You can see Yongiās big ass smile through the windshield which is even funnier. For a second he stops and it seems like Yoongi decides to have mercy on him, even open the door for him to stick his suitcase in. Hobi, Jungkook and Jimin seem to believe it as they are seen walking back up away from the car guessing the plan is a no go. That is until Yoongi goes full AGUST D and saysĀ āWho's the king, who's the boss?ā... JK but lets just pretends he says that š, and literally does start driving off. Jihopekook see this and run their asses back to the car like little kids and laughing all cute as can be HEHEHEHEHE and they end up leaving Jin there LOL. Revenge is a dish best served cold and you just got served Jinnie.
Legend says Hobi slept well that night.Ā
The end.Ā
Hope you had fun reading this long post, probably will never do another since it took forever but I had fun making these gifs and pics and typing in my 2 cents hahaha. Borahae everyone š
#bts#bts in the soop#in the soop#bon voyage s4#in which hobi is evil LOL#and Jin gets served#jin#seokjin#jhope#j-hope#hoseok#hobi#suga#bts suga#yoongi#min yoongi#lil meow meow#jimin#park jimin#jimim#jungkook#bts v#taehyung#namjoon#rapmon#rm#bts are cuties#bts recap#why are they all so funny
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This fan base never ceases to amaze me. Apparently, no one moved pass their SuperWhoLock mentality.
I loved the film, but Iām still adjusting, that is all I will say about the Last Jedi.Ā
Having a good or bad reaction to the content does not bar me from critiquing any production experience of a major film franchise. I can admire a film franchise I dont like for its creativity and cast and crew, and I can critique one I do like for where it goes wrong.Ā
But I have written this as a reaction the internetās hatred towardās Rian Johnson, not the film, not his choices, not Lucasfilmās or Disneyās choices. That is an entirely different subject. This is about the hatred that sprung from the ground like oil out of nowhere. This dirty oil did not exists before December 15th.Ā
Where to start?
People are pulling up out of context interviews and tweets to make it seem that Rian Johnson was hated by the cast and no one wanted to work with him. Iāve seen every accusation under the sun. If you ask Tumblr, Reddit, IGN, etc, heās everything from racist to Cthulhu.Ā
This type of reaction from the internet is predictive and cyclical.Ā
There was, and still is, a camp of disatisfied star wars fans born in 2015 dedicated to defaming J.J Abrams and The Force Awakens. This was in the wake of the criticism that The Force Awakens was too similar to A New Hope. Coincidence? If you said no, youāre right.Ā
But back to Rian.Ā
I want to state here and now that I donāt have a rosy tinted view of the production, Iām not saying everyone warmed quickly to the plot points of The Last Jedi. I want to state that no one, strangely, had a problem with the director. Thatās it.
I hope that I can bring up some points that are on record to remind people, that maybe, if not surely, that this criticism is transparent and stupid.Ā
There was a slow evolution for the actors, like many of the avid star wars fan, to adjust to the change in gear for the franchise. I find it especially amazing that Mark Hamill went out of his way to publicly state his wariness and the disagreements on the script which the late Carrie Fisher collaborated on with Rian Johnson. Hamill came back and said he was wrong and now he is utterly in tune with Rianās vision. If there were any hard feelings left they wouldnāt have mentioned it on the press tour. This isnāt remotely reminiscent of Chris Hemsworth staring into camera during the 2015 Ultron Press Tour and saying: I had no clue what was going on.Ā
If Hamill and Johnson hadnāt reconciled you can bet that their original disagreement wouldnāt have made itself known on the Star Wars 40th Anniversary Celebration Stage. If audiences want to counter and say that it was Disneyās plan all along to bolster the image of the Last Jedi, go ahead, itās a damn good strategy. People disagree in creative circles, and to have one publicly state their agreement is a good thing.Ā
Carrie Fisher didnāt seem to be the only collaborator. Rian Johnson and John Boyega inform interviewers on separate occasions about how happy they were to work on progressing Finnās character together. John Boyega took a huge lead in strengthening the character and making him stronger, he even cites rianās auteurship as the reason for the maneuver room in the franchise.Ā
Gwendoline Christie also cites Rianās collaboratory attitude when forging ahead with Phasmaās story. Oddly enough so does Oscar Isaac.
Daisy Ridley speaks about her wariness for the direction of the franchise as well. But she also speaks on how open the director was to input and how much he tried to make everyone feel comfortable. I say this because I saw someone pull up a tweet of Daisyās reaction to J.J coming back to work on IX. The article states she apparently was delighted and cried with joy at the TFA directorās return. The blog post framed it as a relief and reprieve from Rianās supposed reign of terror. This sounds very silly because J.J Abrams wasnāt AWOL during pre-production, production and post: Heās the producer. Not even executive producer. Producer. He is also present for writing/directing the third installment in the trilogy. The most important detail left out was that this was a reaction to Colin Trevormorrow who was slated to direct the third installment. I believe he left on creative differences with the Walt Disney corporation and lucasfilm. His vision for the film was not in tune with the direction of the movie. This was also a secondary source article, there was a clear bias in the words spoken by the article.Ā
Speaking of bias, the internet loves screenshots, so much so that they become subsitutes to whole videos and dialogues. An out of context picture is misleading, for better of worse.
The cast joke about the poker faces during interviews because their NDA comes with a side order of Mickey Mouse Snipers. But yet, bloggers on the internet take screencaps of the interviews mid questions and post them with captions like: Theyāre hiding their hatred for the director and/or the movie. In reality, theyāre in the middle of listening to a question or trying to not react to a spoiler. If any of you have seen anything of the press tour, most of it is the cast trying to keep a straight face and avoid spoilers. And trust me, I watched the entirety of the press tour, I know which moments were screenshotted.Ā
If this sounds familiar itās because the internet is predictable. This is beginning to sound a lot like how people tried to frame Adam Driver like some sort of 9/11 bigoted ex-soldier with no respect for his cast mates after TFA. There was divisive crowd who initiated a backlash against him simply because they didnt like the character. Remember half the reason he isnāt in most of the press junkets and press conferences? Half of it is his self proclaimed discomfort at the whole idea of the spotlight. But it isnāt absurd to think the other half is unfounded backlash he receives for his character.
I saw people also quoted one of Adamās interviews and his feeling on 9/11 and left it at that. The blogger made it seem like he was what all liberals fear.Ā They forgot to mention his exit from the Marines, the creation of his foundation for returning War Vets and reintegration and encouragement through the arts as a way to explore trauma. When I did my gendered violence class we found a Ted Talk with him talking about the toxic masculinity of the US military complex. Itās a great speech and its deeply profound. If you really care about feminist issues and the nature of the military backbone in the United States there is some great reading I can recommend but this is a good start.
I donāt want anyone to mistake my fondness for any of the characters for any biased defense. They are people too, they arenāt perfect, but they arenāt evil incarnate. Iām not opposed to dumping a content creator like a hot potato for violation of ethical rights and questionable conflicts in production.Ā
This is all to say that Tumblr finds ways to do what all bad journalists do: commence head hunts through clipped interviews, out of context quotes,images, and pseudo liberal pitchfork waving.Ā
Iām half expecting half the disgruntled fans to be Alicia Silverstone in the Scooby Doo movies. So much of the hatred on the internet feels like Freddieās dialgue cut together to say: I THINK COOLSVILLE SUCKS.
All for what? For the same reason they donāt like the new movie. Theyāll skim the surface for buzz words, absorb misunderstood information, and ignore internal meaning, and cast aside the answers to their questions which are explicitly stated.Ā
Until I see any facts that actually exist outside the draconian and dogmatic bubble of Tumblrās bowels I think its safe to say that Rian and the cast are A-Okay with one another. Iām not avoiding being convinced, I just hope people can see HOW SILLY IT ALL SOUNDS.
It seems like we havenāt really progressed from the SuperWhoLock Days? Huh, Tumblr? It just seems to hide behind seemingly more lofty righteous reasons.Ā
#the last jedi#these are not spoilers#this is me ranting about audience reactions to cast and crew#i literally say nothing about the movie in this#please feel free to read the read more#rian johnson#daisy ridley#adamdriver#johnboyega#jjabrams#the discourse#the discourse of it all#phasma#kyloren#finn#rey#poedameron#salt
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BTIMFL Review
This is long and it goes from Negative to Positive, and then to Negative... and then to Positive. I guess youāll see if you decide to read it. Also itās very long. warning. Also itās disorganized and i donāt have time to spam the drama for now but i will later just a warning ok also spoilers and this is just my opinion you donāt have to agree with it. here it is:
warning: rape mention. there was an attempted rape in the drama itself and i talk a little bit about it near the end of the review. just so u know
It was an okay drama. I probably wouldnāt watch it again though, because there were a lot of things that I still had questions about and although the ending was nice, it was not that great, in my opinion. When I was reading the captions/subtitles when Jiho was talking (whether it was the background voice or just her speaking), half the time I ended up not even understanding anything she was saying and I started zoning out .-. Of course, there were cute scenes and scenes that made me smile. There were also scenes where it hurt my heart and I teared up at (like when Soojiās mom told her that her legs were holding Sooji back from being with her boyfriend LIKE THAT SCENE UGH. MY HEART.) Cute scenes where Jiho was smiling and everything made me really happy :ā))))) honestly idek why she decided to terminate the contract bc she twisted and turned with her words so much that i got lost and i was like man, i need a new GPS system. Anyways. The characters were great! The plot? the storyline...???? idk. the scenes also cut off weirdly. everything about this drama is weird. even the whole contract that Sehee and Jiho made to live together/get married and have like nothing else... that was weird. I told my friend and she was like āmarriages are more like contracts of loyalty rather than contracts of businessesā and although it wasnāt a business... it wasnāt... i guess it was for loyalty? man idek what im talking about. it was weird thatās all i have to say. what really tugged my heartstrings was when Jiho came back and Sehee was like āno ur just a dream, this is so cruel. but i love this dream, please never leaveā aND LIKE JIHO SAW HIM CRY LIKE BRUHHHHHH SAME HERE MAN I WAS LIKE UGHFHFHHHHH JIHO!!!!! my love :( seriously... Jiho... idk who plays Jiho but i remembered her from D Day and in this drama she looks so beautiful. ok here comes the positives im so excited. the lighting... especially the lighting when it came onto Jihoās eyes (or anyoneās really) WAS SO. PRETTY. WTFFFFFFF honestly sheās so beautiful. I loved her hairstyle, I want to draw her. I suck at drawing but literally @Jiho ur my muse now. i loved the hair and makeup and the lighting so soooo much in the drama. I loved Jihoās pink coat at the end of the drama, and I surprisingly liked her wedding gown at the beginning of the drama when they first got married. I love Jihoās shy smiles, she looked like an actually bunny!!! I love everything about her! ok maybe im talking about the actress more than the character BUT STILL. sheās so pretty ;(( Seheeās pretty cool. Everytime he made a facial expression, I found it hilarious bc he was always keeping the same face in every episode. Idk how he did it. but heās amazing. i loved when CEO Ma came up behind him and was about to surprise him but then he said Jungmin? AND SEHEE LITERALLY SCREAMED AND ALMOST KILLED CEO MA ok maybe not that far but he almost whacked him in the face lol. the way he got surprised made me laugh. throughout most of the drama though, he had red eyes and from my experience, everytime iāve had red eyes is when i havent slept enough... i hope the actor who plays him gets a lot more sleep :( CEO Ma. I love him so much. One of my favorite characters. He was so pure honestly and he deserved everything. Iām glad he was there for Sooji, and everything he did for her. It was weird because Sooji didnt want him to intrude on her life but he did it anyway, and in such a romantic way too? I thought heād be somewhat annoying about it but he was sincere and such a gentleman. Love u CEO Ma. Please continue on your being nice path. Sooji. Very harsh, difficult... she scared me at times. But I loved how badass she was. i would probably be afraid to approach her but i would love to have her as a friend. sheās tough, but sometimes i think she needs a break from life ;( glad she started her own business and quit her job (even though i wouldāve loved to see her quit sooner and have a flourishing business) Wonseok.... and Horang :(((((((((((( SERIOUSLY RELATIONSHIP GOALS. Despite the arguing THEY WERE SO CUTE TOGETHER. I loved them so much. It was so weird when they broke up and it felt so wrong, but they got back together in the end... it was weird. like i said, this whole drama is weird. BUT MINSEOK PLAYED IN THIS AHHHH GOOD JOB MINSEOK!!!! Horang is literally gorgeous. so so beautiful, and her smile BLINDS you, god. sheās so pretty. Overall, this drama was okay. ALSO OMG I FORGOT TO MENTION Bok Nam. heās kinda cute. i wished Lee Hyunwoo played him. heās adorable in my eyes. Bok Nam was really fishy at the start with him knowing everything SO I WAS SO SURPRISED WHEN HE WASNT THE KIDNAPPER WTF? dude u played that part so well, good JOB. i fell for it. we all fell for it. anyways, at the beginning the drama, Jiho was in a group where she was the assistant writer and honestly i didnt understand anything that she went through with her writing and stuff, all i know is that 1) she wasnt enjoying her position because the other writer kept crossing everything out on her story and making it her own, 2) the guy who had flirted with her for three years and got a FRICKING GIRLFRIEND ended up almost raping her while he was drunk like you deserve to eat dirt. good bye. glad Se hee kicked his ass at the end of the drama (which also made me angry because WOW. it took THIS long for him to come and apologize AND THAT HE SAID HE DIDNT MEAN TO?? WHAT?!!?! son u had every intention of doing that to her that night dont u even dare cover it up with any bs excuse, ur poop now) and to bring back the third point, 3) the writing team tried to get Jiho back WITH HER FRICKING RAPIST AND SHE DECLINED I WAS LIKE YES DONT DO THIS TO YOURSELF YOU DESERVE BETTER IM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!!! overall. it was an okay drama. didnāt like the almost rape part. didnt like how the scenes were cut weirdly. didnt like how the contract was made and how jiho explained her way of things (even towards the end, her mom was like āi dont understand youā or smth and i was like omfg same thank goodness im not the only one), and didnt like how jiho explained the divorce. but the scenes where you could see sehee and jiho get closer together (the kimchi and the ocean and the looking forward to seeing your husband on the bus, waiting for you, saving a seat for you like son....... thatās so cuTEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! ALSO WOOSEOK AND HORANGS RELATIONSHIP. minus the bickering and the fact that Horang tried to change Wooseok.. being together 7 years and being happy for that long is amazing. i loved when wooseok called Horang Rang. it was so pretty. i love soojiās and CEO MA OMG HEāS SO GREAT. I WOULD GIVE HIM EVERYTHING. So glad he was there for sooji. the characters and their relationships together were so great, i really liked it a lot. but the plot was just ahhh.... it couldāve been better. thatās all. i give it a 6.8/10. maybe a 7, but not quite a 7. thank u for reading. hope this mess makes sense :/
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What if yurio , phitchit and victor were texting there crush and there crush said something really cute or a really cute selfie and they just got completely flustered and just mt and don't respond so someone replys to there crush for them because they haven't sent anything back in like ten minutes and the person who responds basically just embarrasses them more by saying that they got really flustered (sorry if this doesn't make sense
Ah, itās been such a hectic week what with it being the beginning of a new semester, but Iāve been feeling so down, and this is so cute, I really just have to do this. Iāll do my best, darling, I think I get the gist of it!
-āyuri!!! yuri, im @ the pet shelter atm and thereās this wonderful grouchy kitty that reminds me of u look look lookā-You ruthless cutie you-Yurio already canāt handle you-He was just texting you during his break, with a small serene smile on his face-Just leanin against the railing of the rink, doing some leg exercises -The creases between his eyebrows are practically non-existent, you make him so happy-Itās the sweetest thing-But the minute you send that text, he stands up straight as if heās been whipped across the back-Oh no-Yuri looks over his phone to see Mila, smiling sllyly down at him-āWho are you texting, Yuriii?ā she croons-fuCK OFF I WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME, WITCH-he tries to ignore her, hunches his shoulders and is just about to message you back when you send a selfie-holy shit if you didnāt kill him before, then you damn well did now-There you were, a big delighted smile on your face, with the most crotchety looking cat on your lap, leaning against your hand that was petting itās head-Yuri wheezes, this boi literally fuckin WHEEZES, and leans over, clutching his chest-heās like the old man meme
-that one-Mila blinks, chuckling, before taking his phone in his weakened state to see whatās gotten him in such a ti--oh my god-Even sheās enraptured in the fucking ADORABLENESS that your selfie is-meanwhile youāre waiting eagerly for your boyfriendās reply, whichā¦ is taking a whileā¦.-A half hour damn near passes before you get a text-āHi, Y/N, this is Georgi. I must say your selfie is very sweet and cute. I canāt handle it, but you know, Yuri is the one who canāt handle it the most. Heās currently wailing with Mila over how adorable you are! Haha.ā-fucker is the only one trying to keep his cool, bc honestly, heās crying too-you lethal weapon-yuri later tells you he killed georgi for embarrassing him he didnt he just poured his coffee on his new scarf
-Youāre always snapchatting Phichit about one thing or another-You donāt usually use your face, rather, you just take photos of the thing youāre doing at the time-But Phichit loves you and your cute face!!! He could kiss it all day!!!-Anywho, heās out with Yuuri, and while his friend is looking through ice skating magazines, Phichitās checking through his notifs-And he sees youāve replied to his snap!!-He asks Yuuri if he wants to be in a selfie with him and of course Yuuri knowing Phichit, he didnāt have much a choice-So Phichit taps the notif, and goes to your chat-Opens your snap, la dee d--Oh-Ooooooooooohhhhhh myyyyy gooooo--He blinks, and screams when the counter goes out, this boy literally fucking SCREAMS, HE SCREECHES-Itās you, holding up a hamster cookie, with the biggest smile on your face, looking so proud-The caption read āJust cooked up a batch for u, look how good it looks?!ā-Phichit is leaning against Yuuri, whoās also seen the snap-āAaaw, how cute!ā He says-Phichit grabs his friend by the shoulders-āYuuri.ā He says in the most grave tone Yuuriās ever heard, āThat wasnāt just ācute.ā Let me tell you a thing or two over just how precious my s/o is.ā-He literally goes on a goddamn tangent-And Yuuri thought HE was obsessed with Viktor, CHRIST, PHICHIT-Itās like he was saving this speech over how adorable you are for this specific moment-Yuuriās listening to him, smiling and humoring him-Phichit replays the snap, screenshotting it before just waving it in front of Yuuri, looking so happy-But Yuuriās tired now, a fucking HOUR passed, and you only have a notif that Phichit screenshot your pic-This boi fuckin snatches the phone from your boyfriend, and before he can react, texts-āY/N, your cookies look gr8! This is Yuuri btw, sorry for the delay in reply, but Phichit went on a speech over how cute u are! Lol pls tell him to stop, ppl are staring.ā
-Viktorās always been passionate about how cute you are-He squishes your cheeks, kisses your nose, gives you eskimo-kisses, blows raspberries on your tummy, nuzzles you CONSTANTLY when he gets overwhelmed, he just adores you-Viktor Nikiforov is entirey infatuated you, itās adorable in itself-So heās just texting you, when he SHOULD be practicing with Yuri, becauseā¦ thā¦ thatās his goddamn jobā¦. Viktor,ā¦. you fuckā¦..-Yuriās shouting at him and of course, this guy is clearly ignoring him, giggling to himself as he chats with you-ālolololol Y/N, when will u get here???? itās nearly lunch time!!! i miss uuuu~ā-āim on my way!!!! u should be practicing, geezā-Fuckin Viktor chuckles, and does a little footwork,then checks his phone OOOOH GREAT JOB HOTSHOT-He skids to a halt after that-Yuriās cussing this guy out, āOI, YOU AIRHEAD, YAKOV SAID TO FOCUS ON YOUR AXELS, FUCK YOUR FOOTWORKā-Viktor speeds his way towards Yuri which autmoatically makes him regret speaking because now heās gonna go off about you-Instead, much to Yuriās surprise, heāsā¦ actually kinda quiet-Itās weird-His eyes are wide, and practically glimmering-Viktorās cheeks are normally at least a little rosy due to the chilly temperature, but now, theyāre a bright jolly red color-One hand is covering his mouth, as if in shock, and now Yuriās a little unnerved-āWhat the fuck do you want.ā He grumbled, a little off-put-Viktor slowly holds up his phone to show Yuri a photo of you, posing in front of a poster of Viktor that was apparantly up nearby the ice rink-You have the back of your hand on your forehead dramatically, but youāve got a clear mixture of pride, love and amusement on your face as you grin-Beneath that was a text, saying āCanāt believe my beautiful boyfriend is actually made out of paperā¦ā¦.ā-Yuri blinks, and grunts-Heāll admit, it was pretty cute, but he didnāt reallyā¦. give a shitā¦..-He looks up and sees Viktorās cheeks pulled up in a smile behind his hand-It takes at least an hour and a half when you get a response and itās from Yuri-āhey this is yuri can u maybe pls take ur shitty boyfriend away so i can be at peaceā-Thanks yuri
#request#Yuri on ice#yuri on ice imagines#YOI#yoi imagines#Yuri!!! on Ice#Viktor Nikiforov#phichit chulanont#yurio plisetsky
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Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks with then-President Barack Obama in Hangzhou, China, on Sept. 5, 2016. Obamaās warnings about active measures went unheeded.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks with then-President Barack Obama in Hangzhou, China, on Sept. 5, 2016. Obamaās warnings about active measures went unheeded.
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Why didnāt then-President Barack Obama stop Russiaās campaign of active measures against the 2016 presidential campaign?
President Trump has been casting blame on his predecessor for not acting against the scheme since Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller brought indictments against a batch of Russians and Russian entities on Friday for the role they played.
Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why arenāt they the subject of the investigation? Why didnāt Obama do something about the meddling? Why arenāt Dem crimes under investigation? Ask Jeff Sessions!
ā Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 21, 2018
FACT CHECK: This story is complex and goes beyond a simple āTrueā or āFalseā grade. One basic notion that is false is the idea the Obama administration took no action ā it did. The question that has been asked many times since the presidential election is why it didnāt do more.
Private warnings
Among other things, top U.S. intelligence officials ā including then-CIA Director John Brennan ā privately warned their Russian counterparts not to persist with their active measures. Obama himself told Russian President Vladimir Putin not to interfere in the election. These warnings did not work.
Publicity
Obama administration officials also told reporters on background that Russian intelligence operatives were behind the cyberattacks that led to the release of emails stolen from political figures and institutions. Later, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson formally blamed the Russian government in an official statement.
Although it wasnāt universally accepted, the active measures campaign became a part of the political campaign itself. Trump and opponent Hillary Clinton traded barbs about the Russian interference during their debates.
Trump has gone back and forth about what he accepts and what he doesnāt about the nature of the attack. Sometimes he acknowledges it; other times he has cited the denials he has gotten from Putin, saying, āI really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.ā
The presidentās position since Fridayās indictments has been that the interference campaign did take place ā but that he and his campaign had nothing to do with it. On that point, Trump has been consistent: There was, he says, āno collusion.ā
Mueller is focused on whether that is so and whether Trump may have broken the law if he tried to frustrate the investigation. More on this below.
Diplomatic response
After Election Day, Obama ordered the U.S. intelligence community to issue a public report about the Russian scheme. Once it had ā and concluded Russiaās attack was aimed at helping Trump and hurting Clinton ā the United States imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. In addition to imposing new sanctions, Washington also expelled a number of Russian diplomats and closed two Russian diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York.
So why didnāt Obamaās administration do more?
That isnāt clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes ā hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.
Plus, the relationship between the United States and Russia is multifaceted and often intensely complicated:
Obama scaled back missile defense plans in Europe to placate Moscow.
Obama wanted Russia to play a role in the international agreement under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program ā and Putin went along.
Obama spent the end of his presidency trying to bring Russia into a multilateral agreement to end the Syrian civil war, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ultimately never committed.
So Obamaās team had to manage many spinning plates in addition to the active measures campaign it detected by the middle of 2016. One question Obama may address in his book is why he calibrated his choices in the way he did ā whether he looked the other way on election interference to keep open other options elsewhere.
A partisan tightrope
Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Bidenās telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldnāt go along.
But that didnāt stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.
Thereās no way to know what difference it might have made for U.S. officials to have confirmed and condemned the Russian interference in real time.
Obama administration officials have said they worried about appearing to put their thumb on the scales for Clinton. Combined with Obamaās belief that Clinton would win, their political calculus appears to have boiled down to: Letās ride this out.
Obama himself said in December 2016 that he wasnāt convinced that he should have done anything different.
āThere have been folks out there who suggest somehow if we went out there and made big announcements and thumped our chests about a bunch of stuff, that somehow it would potentially spook the Russians,ā he said. āI think it doesnāt read the thought process in Russia very well.ā
FACT CHECK: The intelligence community did not make an assessment about how the active measures campaign affected the 2016 election. Trump and supporters have sometimes said incorrectly that the report found there was no effect; in fact, it did not address the question. Homeland Security officials did conclude that cyberattacks didnāt tamper with vote tallies in 2016.
General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!
ā Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 18, 2018
Why arenāt Democrats under investigation?
Some of them may be. FBI special agents in Arkansas are reportedly conducting an investigation into the Clinton Foundation. But Trump and his allies, especially Republicans in the House, want more. They say this story is about abuse of power by the FBI and Justice Department and ābiasā within those agencies against the president.
Trump wants Attorney General Jeff Sessions to do more work to expose those aspects of the story. He may, but so far Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein have said they donāt see enough cause to appoint a second special counsel in addition to Mueller.
Why is Trump under investigation?
Part of Russiaās active measures campaign included clandestine overtures from human intelligence operatives to people in the Trump campaign. When the FBI learned that a junior foreign policy adviser in London got offers of ādirtā on Clinton or āoff the recordā meetings with top Russian officials, it began a counterintelligence investigation that continues to this day.
Several other people in the Trump campaign had contacts with Russians before and after Election Day. Trumpās son Donald Trump Jr. received an email that included what was described as an offer of help for the campaign from the Russian government.
āIf itās what you say, I love it,ā Trump Jr. wrote back.
He later hosted a delegation that included a Russian attorney and a Russian-American lobbyist; the details of what took place in the meeting are disputed.
More contacts took place. An adviser traveled to Moscow. Other contacts involved Sessions ā then an Alabama senator, who now serves as attorney general but is lately the target of Trumpās ire ā and Jared Kushner, Trumpās son-in-law, who today is dueling behind the scenes with White House chief of staff John Kelly.
The contacts continued until just before the inauguration. As Obama was imposing punitive measures against Moscow following the election, Trumpās administration-in-waiting was asking its Russian interlocutors not to retaliate.
Retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, Trumpās national security adviser, asked Russiaās then-ambassador to the U.S. to hold off because it could expect a different approach once Trump was inaugurated. Putin agreed.
There have also been suggestions that Flynn and the Trump administration planned not only to renegotiate financial restrictions with Moscow once Trump was in office but had already decided before the fact to lift sanctions.
Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about the conversations he had with Russiaās ambassador and is cooperating with Muellerās investigation.
via The Trump Debacle
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