#i could talk about the warriors

[saleemb]

I post a lot rn but uh... Kallters, the Kallters, what the heck ?? Their whole lore is a pain to read, I'm sorry but, WHAT ???? So to be clear... Jon Jarl came to Jorvik, oppressed them, made them hide, and now, everyone forgot about them ?? I never played the actual quest, but what ?.. What is wrong is this ? The kallters are just a mere exemple of what SSO does to their character's minorities. They tried to control it back, but they just got worst, idk ??? The kallters got forgotten when they needed TO NOT BE !!! JON JARL IS PROB THE WORST CHARACTER OF THE GAME !!! As a north african girly(algerian 3rbi from mama with an italian dad hiii), I got so happy when they added Imane to the game, and even considered Sabine mixed Morroccan Jorvegian ?? But now by digging even deeper, everything feels... Off ?? I'm pretty sure it's not made on purpose, but, what ? researching on your character's ethnicity while designing them is SO important. I always compare Sabine as Miguel O'Hara for some reason, they got the "same" treatment; -> Is white passing/looking at first, but already got implied that they were not form the west. -> Gets redesigned and given a "beast appearance" (as i said, beast like chars are good, look at Abby from tlou,) but everytime they're given a tan skin for some reason... it feels... erm, yea, feels off... I kept drawing sabine quite muscular as i headcanon her as a Touareg (own interpretation btw, pretty sure im wrong here), I feel like her design is here to "intimidate", like, for what girllllll... As someone who white pass quite well and is quite muscular, I don't get why they couldn't keep her as she is ?? Even giving her a hair type, idek ?? I know it's VERY important to add representation in media, but if you use that said character to use it as an object of desire, no, thank you :c (i actually love sabine, i just dont get the treatment they gave her, maybe because she's the only girl i could relate to LMAOOO thats acc sad)

sso you could've succeeded </3

[michelle-jacksons-art-blog]

Try these out!

[crazylittlejester]

Mask being too full of teenage angst to say how much he loves and appreciates Wars vs. Wars knowing Mask loves him and being unafraid to tell the kid that because he knows all Mask needs is love and stability VS. TIME REALIZING LATER HOW MUCH WARS DID FOR HIM AND FEELING LIKE HE HAS TO PAY HIM BACK FOR EVERYTHING VS. WARRIORS NOT KNOWING HOW TO ACCEPT SOMEONE ELSE TAKING CARE OF HIM BECAUSE HE’S NOT USED TO IT VS.

[gingermintpepper]

In my Zeus bag today so I'm just gonna put it out there that exactly none of the great Ancient Greek warrior-heroes stayed loyal and faithful and completely monogamous and yet none of them have their greatness questioned nor do we question why they had the cultural prominence that they did and still do.

Jason, the brilliant leader of the Argo, got cold feet when it came to Medea - already put off by some of her magic and then exiled from his birthland because of her political ploys, he took Creusa to bed and fully intended on marrying her despite not properly dissolving things with Medea.

Theseus was a fierce warrior and an incredibly talented king but he had a horrible temper and was almost fatally weak to women. This is the man who got imprisoned in the Underworld for trying to get a friend laid, the man who started the whole Attic War because he couldn't keep his legs closed.

And we cannot at all forget Heracles for whom a not inconsiderable amount of his joy in life was loving people then losing the people around him that he loved. Wives, children, serving boys, mentors, Heracles had a list of lovers - male and female - long enough to rival some gods and even after completing his labours and coming down to the end of his life, he did not have one wife but three.

And y'know what, just because he's a cultural darling, I'll put Achilles up here too because that man was a Theseus type where he was fantastic at the thing he was born to do (that is, fight whereas Theseus' was to rule) but that was not enough to eclipse his horrid temper and his weakness to young pretty things. This is the man that killed two of Apollo's sons because they wouldn't let him hit - Tenes because he refused to let Achilles have his sister and Troilus who refused Achilles so vehemently that he ran into Apollo's temple to avoid him and still couldn't escape.

All four of these men are still celebrated as great heroes and men. All four of these men are given the dignity of nuance, of having their flaws treated as just that, flaws which enrich their character and can be used to discuss the wider cultural point of what truly makes a hero heroic. All four of these men still have their legacies respected.

Why can that same mindset not be applied to Zeus? Zeus, who was a warrior-king raised in seclusion apart from his family. Zeus who must have learned to embrace the violence of thunder for every time he cried as a babe, the Corybantes would bang their shields to hide the sound. Zeus learned to be great because being good would not see the universe's affairs in its order.

The wonderful thing about sympathy is that we never run out of it. There's no rule stopping us from being sympathetic to multiple plights at once, there's no law that necessitate things always exist on the good-evil binary. Yes, Zeus sentenced Prometheus to sufferation in Tartarus for what (to us) seems like a cruel reason. Prometheus only wanted to help humans! But when you think about Prometheus' actions from a king's perspective, the narrative is completely different: Prometheus stole divine knowledge and gifted it to humans after Zeus explicitly told him not to. And this was after Prometheus cheated all the gods out of a huge portion of wealth by having humans keep the best part of a sacrifice's meat while the gods must delight themselves with bones, fat and skin. Yes, Zeus gave Persephone away to Hades without consulting Demeter but what king consults a woman who is not his wife about the arrangement of his daughter's marriage to another king? Yes, Zeus breaks the marriage vows he set with Hera despite his love of her but what is the Master of Fate if not its staunchest slave?

The nuance is there. Even in his most bizarre actions, the nuance and logic and reason is there. The Ancient Greeks weren't a daft people, they worshipped Zeus as their primary god for a reason and they did not associate him with half the vices modern audiences take issue with. Zeus was a father, a visitor, a protector, a fair judge of character, a guide for the lost, the arbiter of revenge for those that had been wronged, a pillar of strength for those who needed it and a shield to protect those who made their home among the biting snakes. His children were reflections of him, extensions of his will who acted both as his mercy and as his retribution, his brothers and sisters deferred to him because he was wise as well as powerful. Zeus didn't become king by accident and it is a damn shame he does not get more respect.

[skyward-floored]

“Wind can see ghosts” “Twilight can see ghosts (as wolfie)”

nobody ever talks about Warriors, the guy who fought an actual ghost army

[hi-cassiel]

Drew my favourite bramblepaw scene, fireheart and bramblepaw’s relationship is my favourite mentor/apprentice dynamic and I wish we had more like them

[tomlivingspace]

crazy that they go thru something so similar at the same time and no one wants to talk about it. LETS TALK ABOUT IT!

[dizzybevvie]

No bc Warrior Cats genuinely couldve done something with Starclan and generational trauma and romanticising "old times" and the warrior code because Starclan arent deities theyre just dead people but instead we get another 6 books of Will They/Wont They with a TigerStar clone

[imminent-danger-came]

There is a distinct difference between "something good with flaws" and "something bad that's almost good" me thinks

[stop-breaking-my-heart-dragonage]

I'm not ready to shut up about Aveline and Carver--so, when you go see Aveline in Act 1, you can catch up with her a little bit and that's where this conversation can happen:

Aveline: "It's just one more change, though. The real end for me was Ostagar. What about you, Carver? You were there. Do you feel something similar?" Carver: No. Aveline: All right, then. Bit of a tit, your brother.

I wanted to see what she would say if Carver isn't in the party. Instead, she says this:

Aveline: Carver was there. I imagine he feels something similar. If he allows it.

......well, at least she didn't call him a tit?

[beneathsilverstars]

firepaw you fool what do you mean “i can’t tell bluestar that tigerclaw is a traitorous lying bitch who’s trying to get ravenpaw driven out bc he saw him kill our deputy, not when she’s depending on him to protect our clan” THAT’S EXACTLY WHY SHE NEEDS TO KNOW!! so that she’s not depending on a traitorous lying bitch to protect the clan!! bc he demonstrably does not do that!!!!

[rookflower]

hiya, I’m not super into the current warriors lore (followed because of your art + nostalgia of the point I read up to)— what’s this with the Tawnypelt/Crowfeather relationship? I’ve seen a few posts but I’m not following it with the research I’ve done myself…

hiya! yeah so in the newest book of the series (the elders' quest, book 1 of changing skies), tawnypelt is a point of view character. in the book, to her own disbelief, she develops feelings for crowfeather

it's bizarre

[bearofohu]

i just found out the next arc of warrior cats is going to have tawnypelt x crowfeather and at first it was just funny but now im in the minority camp that really likes the idea. idk why ppl are automatically deciding that its another instance of warrior cats misogyny. not that that isnt still a problem with these books but this in particular feels like an attempt to do the exact opposite. have we ever seen a she-cat in the books thats been anything but completely devoted to a dead mate while toms get to move on again and again? and its tawnypelt that first decides SHE might have feelings for crowfeather. in almost every other instance of a romance being introduced its always been the tom deciding hes in love and the she-cat just falling in line with it

and like yeah, another romance plot, but guys i seriously need you to get with the program when i say the erins want to write romance. they are old british women who yearn to be writing romance but have ended up in a corner where they also have to be writing about cats bc thats their job. warrior cats is to a large degree about romance because of this even if it should probably be about literally anything else. just how it is

and i'd honestly much rather get this one about established characters that previously didnt mesh at all suddenly realizing they mesh after theyve lived full lives and telling a story about how love can be found anywhere and for everyone at any stage in your life rather than another fucking story about young scrappy boypaw falling madly in forbidden love with hot young girlpaw

hand over heart i think its a massive improvement and ill continue to think that regardless how negative fandom wants to be abt this. unless changing skies like. ruins a good thing and uses this as an outlet to fuck up tawnypelt. which i am absolutely aware wc is infamous for doing when we think they're trying to make an improvement. but im choosing to be optimistic abt this

[airocats]

[sexy-sapphic-sorcerer]

I just need to inform you nerds about absolute madlad academic Joseph Brennan

most notably, he wrote a paper about a queer reading of Mordred in BBC Merlin which heavily cites his own (poorly photoshopped) pornographic slash manips

but he also edited a whole book about queerbaiting, including chapters about: Supernatural, Xena Warrior Princess, One Direction RPF, Supergirl, and the fucking Johnlock Conspiracy

all the rest of his work is about gay porn

I fucking love academia

[waxface]

I was Real involved in Warrior Cats rps on Animal Jam back in the day , and i actually had a fairly large clan myself , but i was a nm leader . I had everyone's names written down in a notebook and i logged in every day