#i am a ship and let ship person im allowed to disagree w you and youre allowed to disagree w me

[gunmetal-ring]

Thats partly why im absolutely baffled that ppl ship steve w eddie and/or billy bc like the boy could not be straighter and no there is absolutely NO internalized homophobia there, the reason he was homophobic in s1 is bc he was a homophobe (and also bc jonathan is so obviously bi) and now hes not homophobic bc thats character growth and the reason hes obsessed w trying to find love is bc hes desperately trying to get over nancy and he cant bc i think he genuinely does love her and want her to be the mother of his children bc he realizes that its ok not to have educational/work ambition, and also bc he has been abused and neglected by his parents and is determined to do better and also needs to feel loved

Anyway that digressed but if someone wants to explain to me their headcanon that Steve is bi/gay im happy to listen but i just cant imagine a world in which id actually be convinced. Also if you take that invitation as an opportunity to be a sociopathic jackass dont bother lmao hellcheer4lyfe

[hello-yue-here]

Yuetara, zukka, and maiko

yuetara

ship

1) its not one of my main ships. i dont rlly read fanfic for them but if i see a cute fanart of them ill enjoy it and i think i first started shipping it because of good fanarts for them.

2) i like yuetara because of how similar they are. theyre both women from the water tribe. they both understand the misogyny that they have faced. and they both said f sexism im gonna be a strong woman. i also love the tui and la parallel. moon spirit and ocean spirit parallel COME ON. YUE IS THE MOON. KATARA IS THE MOST POWERFUL WATERBENDER. THEY ARE THE OCEAN AND THE MOON. the push and pull they could give eachother. that dynamic ftw.

3) i guess if i didnt like something about this ship would be the fact that if i read a fic or see a fanart w yuetara then than means in that particular au i wont get any yuekka and yuekka is probably my second favorite ship. but then again if i get yuetara than i could get a plethora of other sokka ships to go with it so my sadness disappears in like two seconds. gosh shipping is hard sometimes until you remember ‘hey i have like fifty different universes in my head. all ur ships can coexist in ur brain olivia’ other than that i really see no downsides to this ship. maybe i wish it had more content. maybe if it had more content id ship it a lot more but its not one of the more popular ships so the content is kinda few n far between on my feed.

zukka:

SHIPPP

1) my boys. my babies. my loves. i watched this show for the first time when it came out on netflix and when it ended i really didnt ship anything other than kataang. i came onto tumblr to find fun atla content and one of the very first things i saw under the atla tag was zukka content. i was like oh? whats this? zukka? interesting... i was intrigued so i found a list of fic recs and i fell in love with the ship. the rest is history. its probably my number one ship because it was my very first ship here and im nostalgic

2) oh boy there is so much i like about this ship. i relate to a shit ton of characters in atla. but sokka and zuko may be the ones i relate to most. i relate to sokka because i tend to feel second best a lot to my friends. i try to stay positive but things rarely go the way i plan or hope for them too and while im happy for my friends and their achievements i oftentimes find myself thinking why cant that be me? and i see this a lot in sokka especially in sokkas master. i dont feel special a lot and idk seeing sokka feel the same way and then realizing he is special kinda helped me realize that im special too. on the flipside i relate to zuko because i have wild anger issues and difficulty dealing w my emotions a lot as well. i get broody and short tempered and insecure very often and i tend to push people away and i refuse to ask for help (the amount of teachers and adults and therapists who have told me its okay to ask for help ur not any weaker because of it is astounding. do i listen to them? .....im working on it.) and i saw a shit ton of this in zuko. book one and two zuko rarely asks for help as seen in the blue spirit and zuko alone and he pushes away uncle so many times and even when the gaang iffers to help him in i think its the chase he tells them to leave. when he finally has his redemption and joins the gaang and lets them kinda become a better person i was so happy. i want that for myself yk. seeing him finally win the agni kai and overcome his family that always told him he was nothing was such a win. my sister and i get along but when we were children we were very much like zuko and azula. it was extremely competitive all the time and there was so much toxicity and sibling drama to a concerning extent. we get along great now which im very happy about but yeah their sibling relationship hit a lil too on the nose for me. seeing as i relate to these character so much and want them ti be happy i want to live vicariously through them so seeing them together is amazing for me to project into them. i love projecting onto fictional characters and with them i can project onto BOTH so its a winwin. plus so many zukka fics are so well written and heartwarming and heartbreaking and emotional and fluffy anf UGH the talent here us astounding.

3) what do i not like about the ship? again the list is long. oops. mainly the toxic shippers. there are so many toxic zukka stans that sometimes make it hard for me to enjoy this ship but hey! thats what the block button is for:) i despise how often people infantilize zuko and completely ruin his character for the sake of making him a soft weak lil boy who needs protecting. thats just not zuko for me. and ive seen many many accounts even state that this kind of portrayal of zuko is rooted in racist stereotypes about asian men (now i am white so i personally have never experiences racism but i feel the need to bring that up because it is wrong and attention needs to be brought to it because a lot of poc fans have criticised this) and the same for sokka. some ppl rlly skew his character and make him a big strong brute and hypermasculine and once again poc fans have said that this take is rooted in racist stereotypes. again! these are just my opinions! this is my favorite ship! but i think its important to acknowledge some of the bad parts of our ships as well and be critical where criticism is needed :))

maiko

ship

1) I LOVE MAIKO. “i dont hate you” “i dont hate you too” BRUH. my little heart just burst into flames. im sorry guys but maiko is so cute. they hate everything except eachother. BRUH that is one of the cutest tropes. i shipped them the moment i saw them together onscreen and i was so happy when zukos face lit up in the finale when mai came back.

2) “i hate everything but i have a soft spot for you” TAKE MY MONEY I AM A SUCKER FOR THIS. they are so cute together. like zuko is rarely happy in a majority of atla but mai makes him happy and i- 🥺🥺 HE DESERVES IT. and mai is always so supportive of him. when hes stressing out about the war meeting she tries her best to comfort him. and zuko cares about her too. he may not be the best at showing it but oh my god hes TRYING HIS BEST. i think its a very accurate portrayal of teenage relationships because they arent perfect and they do fight but like,, every teenage relationship does that. and even after everything and how he left her in the fire nation she still had his back at boiling rock. she still risked her life against azula to save his butt.

3) the thing i hate about maiko isnt even about maiko. its about antis who think mai is toxic and that zuko deserves better. that has got to be the worst take ive ever heard. they had a fight in ember island. that is NORMAL. they are teenagers. they are not perfect. but underneath all the rough edges and things they need to work out they still care about eachother so freaking much. i genuinelt believe that neither of them would do anything to intentionally hurt the other and i think thats what matters the most. if anything mai is the best girlfriend in the entire world because zuko fucked up like,, quite a few times. he got rlly jealous and dumped her thru a letter and ppl always say that mai was toxic for being mad at him for those two things. umm she had every right to be mad at him for both of those. and while zuko is allowed to feel his emotions and be angry sometimes as well sometimes he needs to think things thru and realize that hey maybe some if this jealousy is unfounded. BUT EVEN THEN. HE RESPECTED HER FEELINGS AND DIDNT TOUCH HER WHEN SHE SAID DONT TOUCH ME. HE RESPECTED HER. so i hate toxic maiko takes because they are literally so wrong in my opinion.

again all of these are just my opinions!! feel free to agree or disagree but please be respectful!! i will respect whatever u think as well because this is all just for fun :)

[floralkittygambler]

I’m worried to say much more but is just a discord for Husker Angle ships but I guess you got posted there and it annoyed some. I’m sorry.

Hey, dont feel pushed to speak if you arent comfortable, ok? Dont allow anyone to force themselves across your boundaries. Likewise, if you feel I am then do let me know so I can give proper respect. Well... That’s pretty... Petty. Have a group for stuff you like but the increase of groups having discourse/drama channels is concerning. People thrive on drama more and more and it can be rather deadly. Like most care considering empathy is an all time low, but they SHOULD.  I will sound awful when I say this, but if they’re merely annoyed then they do not feel even the slightest incline of suffering Ive endured to have such a trigger in the first place. I will not apologise to them and I most certainly will not apologise for being a victim. They ought to look into themselves and their lives if a fictitious character carries more weight and meaning than a very real and very living person. Agree to disagree is fine but that is where I draw my line. Again, it’s pathetic they do this. Im fine if people wish to bitch and hate me in their time or with their friends. But when people intentionally set traps to cause actual bullying, harassment, harm, stigma, etc that is intolerable. If they wish to discuss me awfully amongst themselves, let them. Ive always felt that sometimes a lil bitch and bicker is healthy in small doses. That’s far from the issue. It’s the baiting and causing actual harm that is the issue. Because if not me then who else are they willing to gang up on and tear apart? Who else are they spreading false info to cause pain? It’s that line they cross that causes genuine repercussions and malice that should never be tolerated. It makes me question why not invest that in virtual pedo hunting? Or catching cyber criminals? IF you want to confront in this manner? Granted, it’s still just as messed up to harass and harm (truly makes you no better than those you target) but at least it’s doing some form of justice, right? Why dedicate a group to something you love only to stalk and burden those who disagree? It’s very much YanSim vibes all over- Now based on you having such information, Id say you ship it? But look at us. We’re agreeing to disagree and respect each other’s reasoning. It’s... actually nice to hear from the few good folks of fandoms (as well as fellow criticals I normally interact with). So thank you. You didnt have to do this, yet you did. And that speaks volumes of the kind of person you are. Just dont apologise for others actions but your own. We take accountability for our own actions in order to grow. Again, take care, enjoy the more positive aspects of the group and have a wonderful day, ok? And dont worry. Stick with real friends who can be honest and upfront w/o being a dick (not saying those people are fyi!) as well as stand affirmed in yourself. You’ve got a good heart. The best thing is to avoid drama as much as possible, otherwise you’ll end up a miserable old git like me LOL Take care

[ganseys-aquamarine-polo]

*Rant incoming* Am I the only one just annoyed that everyone always hates on Gansey? That out of the group it's always Gansey that is messed with? I never liked Sarchengsey or whatever it is because I never connected with Henry cause I thought his whole arc was way to sudden. But anyways, why can't people just let Blue and Gansey love each other in peace? Haven't they suffered enough? Why is everyone so convinced Gansey is gay/bisexual/pansexual? (1/2)

“He loves his friends, that’s it! Doesn’t mean he’s gay. Men are allowed to think other men are attractive. And I’m not a homophobe, because I ship Pynch with everything I have but I just want Gansey and Bluesey to be happy and be able to love. And for them to stop hating on my baby Gansey! He isn’t in love with Henry. Lowkey think Henry shouldn’t even be in the story. They aren’t in a polyamorous relationship. Gansey loves Blue. Blue loves Gansey. Jeez we had four books telling us that. (2/2)”

“I don’t mean to sound immature and I’ll continue to read TRC forever and ever but I just feel like Maggie really shit on Bluesey in the last book. Pynch got the perfect ending and Bluesey didn’t even get a post-curse kiss. And they have a third-ish person in the realtionship? AND Maggie goes on tumblr one day and says Blue’s kiss would still kill Gansey? I mean jeez for the couple that started off the series she really stomped them in the dirt in my opinion.Rant over. Sorry about that lol. (3/2)”

“After thinking about it, I didn’t mean to just go full hate on Sarchengsey. Anyone can ship whoever they want to ship. In my opinion, I just feel that I’ve shipped Bluesey for far too long to suddenly add another person I didn’t even connect to. My issue is that it’s always Gansey the fandom is trying to change. Do you notice that? People say he’s bi/pan/gay and good for him if he is, but it’s not - guys are allowed to say “that guy is attractive” that doesn’t mean he’s gay automatically. (4/2)”

“Did they read the same books?I know people interpret things differently but Gansey was/is so gone for Blue. Other than the obvious, “I can sleep after I talk to her” line. There are so many others “He wanted her to know that her bit of skin was more arousing than Orla’s entire body”,“my head knew that but the rest of me didn’t”,he’s turned on by her driving his car! Lol My question in all of this is- why is it always Gansey that people change? Why don’t people appreciate him like I do? lol (5/2)”

Whoo boy, Anon, there is a LOT going on here so I’m gonna have to break it down lol.

About Henry: First off, I see what you mean about Henry’s character feeling sudden and rushed. Tbqh, when I first read TRK, I was ticked that Henry got all of these Special Moments alone with Gansey that imo should’ve happened with Adam or Ronan (ie. going to find Glendower alone, finding the hole in the ground, bringing him down from a panic attack, having the idea to use magic to wake Gansey up, etc.). I liked Henry as a character though, and now I’ve grown to really love him! The toga party was amazing, Henry driving up to Blue’s high school and then staging an argument, the bEE IN THE HOLE SCENE WITH HIM TELLING GANSEY TO BREATHE AHH- but yes, his addition to the story was kinda random?

But! I have to disagree a bit when it comes to Sarchengsey. I definitely see where people feel a romantic attraction exists between Gansey and Henry (“Gansey finally felt what it was to be Known”). Being Known and Understood is something Gansey desperately wanted and never felt, and Henry gave that to him. Even Blue doesn’t completely understand Gansey, and she snaps at him a lot (I have some qualms about Blue but that’s a different post entirely). My minor problem w/ Sarchengsey as a ship is Blue and Henry. Their canon relationship is platonic and doesn’t feel romantic at all, so tbh I think they’re both in love with Gansey- but all of them together just seems like a really warm and happy relationship :). And, as you said, people are welcome to ship whatever they like- but I don’t think Sarchengsey came out of left field, ‘cause there is some definite content in the books that feel like it leads to it.

About Gansey being gay/pan/bi: I also have to disagree a wee bit. I think that Gansey being gay/pan/bi could very easily be true. HOWEVER! I do see your point- important point- about platonic love btwn boys, something shunned and kinda shamed in society that we def need more of. Yes, Gansey can love his friends in an open completely platonic way, and that’s a great thing to see in a guy character, but I think Gansey being gay/pan/bi is believable and Good. And when you say you don’t like fandom “changing Gansey,” I don’t see that too much? My biggest problem, actually, is that Gansey isn’t explored ENOUGH in some ways (but also im biased bc he’s my fav), and what appears to be fandom changing him is actually fandom trying to explore his character more? 

About Bluesey: Gansey loves Blue and that is undeniable and they DEFINITELY got the short end of the stick in trk- and I would’ve liked a post-death scene not just bc of bluesey but I Have So Many Questions and there are Feelings That Need To Be Shared among the whole gangsey ://///////

Sorry this got SO long, Anon!! But thanks!!