#how like ..... vander and jinx behave the same way when it comes to this

[depvotee]

I also love the parallels of change between Vander and Silco, because both have this very dichotomy within themselves

Vander on thinking people can change, he is proof of that, he changed for better of his children and his community, he knows he can help people on a one to one basis. At the same time, he seems very repellant of large change, how he dealt with Grayson into a boon that was meant to fail, you cannot simply keep good the promise of keeping ur people out, Vander is not omniscent, of course, its was bound to happen without meantioning the fact that it really doesnt address the unfairness of the deal; the enforcers should NOT be on Zaun, period.

But he has to make do with scraps, because, well, he has kids to take care for. But also how are these kids meant to grow up apart from doing odd jobs? They have no future because the boot is closing in!!!!!!!!!!!!

Silco on the other hand is the "base violence necessary for change" hes more than down with the large changes, damn, hes going to make that change no matter how dirty it gets, after your best friend made you the human equivalent of detritus theres no going back, he's not stopping at anything not even at the expense of your own people Vi's "This happends everyday, you just dont see it" to that kid getting shot, SAME, conclusion. Worst part is that HES RIGHT!!!! There's no other way than violence to get Piltover to give them independence.

But he's also allergic to indivudual change, the one having to do with Vander specially, although hes ALSO a prime example that people WILL change. Of course he cannot see Vander other than the violent man that he used to be, that's the man he knew most of his life, that's why he's convienced he's still there, hidden underneath, which in a way, YES!!!! IT WAS!!!! Vander was violent and still capable of it but the moment he was the chance to finish what he started, to kill Silco, choke him, snap his neck, crush his windpipe, he DOESN'T TAKE IT, he just leans in and touches foreheads and leans over him.

Vander still has that rage within him but he also changed, hes not that man anymore.

[thewistlingbadger]

In a way, I've been really stumped when it comes to Silco and season two. Because I've always liked Silco, but my affinity for him skyrocketed with season two. I went from Casual Silco Enjoyer to Silco's Defense Attorney in the span of a month, and I couldn't place why. Until now.

Season one paints Silco as a violent extremist who's objectively a bad person. Season one accomplished this by having an array of grounded characters and by having none of the characters give their full support to Silco. Majority of the cast is against Silco in a way or has no perception of him. Sevika and Jinx, Silco's only allies, only extend their loyalty so far. Jinx doesn't give a shit about his cause at all and only participates because she likes to feel useful. Sevika's loyalty to Silco is only temporary, since her true loyalty lies with Zaun and not Silco. We don't see anyone in season 1 support Silco's actions or beliefs, and based off what we actually see in season one, the audience comes to the conclusion that Silco is being too offensive for what the situation requires. We've seen harm topside is causing, but is it really bad enough to go to the lengths Silco goes to? Most people think no, and so the drugs, the violence, the overall unsympathetic attitude of Silco is off-putting. Then of course, there's Vander, who the audience got attached to and loved. Vander and Silco are total opposites so if someone really likes Vander, it's likely they'll resent Silco. So based off season 1 alone, it's clearly easy to dislike Silco.

But season two does something totally unexpected. In my opinion, season two proves that Silco was actually right. He was right to do things the way he did and to have the beliefs he had. Season two makes the oppression of Zaun extremely transparent. We truly see just how hateful Piltover is and their full potential to exercise that hate at the cost of everyone in the Undercity. And we see that Piltover behaves in such a cruel way AFTER silco is gone. AFTER zaun has no leaders. AFTER zaun has no shimmer. AFTER zaun displays no violence. Caitlyn got rid of shimmer and neutralized the chem barons. None of the potential threats of zaun that Piltover was worried about last season exist anymore, and yet Piltover was still using excessive force with the undercity. If Piltover is going to behave this way when Zaun is helpless and at their mercy, then why SHOULDN'T zaun be resorting to radicalism? Why SHOULDN'T they be resorting to the most extreme of efforts? This proves that Silco was correct to use fear as a tool against piltover. Silco was right to resort to terrible deeds at the expense of his own people, because had he not, those same people would have STILL SUFFERED from Piltover's abuse! And you could argue that they did suffer more without Silco than with him.

[sandraharissa]

One thing I wanted to talk about for a while now was the Vi/Silco and Jinx/Cait relationships.

The way they’re portrayed in act II and III, after irreparable damage was done, there’s no way they’d ever get along, but what strikes me is how well these characters are suited to each other pre-trauma/act I.

When I look at Powder and little Cait it’s striking how similar they are to each other. They’re both a bit of an outcast and a misfit, they’re both the baby of the family, they’re both already good shots, they’re both very pleasant and mild-mannered and gentle and they have an older sibling (Vi/Jayce) they look up to. When you look at Powder’s siblings none of them are as similar to Powder as Cait is, even if they care for her very much Cait would probably easily be the most easy to interact with and relatable peer to Powder (maybe outside of Ekko). And while I don’t know how old everyone is, based on their designs I’d guess that Cait is a bit younger than Vi, which would additionally make her closer to Powder’s age than Vi/Mylo/Claggor are. They obvs even look quite similar, like you could mistake them for sisters.

The same goes for Vi and Silco. They both have a similar hairstyle in act I (later they also have the same colored outfits). They both care deeply and personally about the revolution (this city’s gonna respect us/respect, opportunity, things they denied us) and in act I for both of them ‘revolution’ means the same thing. Vi’s a daddy’s girl and Silco is shown to be good with teen girls. She’s also shown to take the responsibility of caring for the other kids, especially Powder who she’s extremely protective of. If they met under normal circumstances and if Silco’s presence took a bit of that responsibility away from her and if he’d behave toward Powder in the same protective way we see in the show Vi would likely think he’s great. In canon they hate each other but Vi in act I comes off like a very sociable person so I don’t think she’d dislike Silco for no reason. She’d likely end up relying on him more than the other kids would and he’d be another way to convince Vander of things (like fighting).

Obvs tho, circumstances stand in the way of these relationships. I can’t imagine how little Cait and Powder, who seem so well suited to each other, would even end up interacting when one’s a councilor’s daughter and the other is currently wanted by law. Similarly, there’s no reason for a situation where Silco and Vi meet under normal circumstances to occur considering Silco’s goal and his beef with Vander. What could have been.