#hosie for ts

[occulthours]

out of curiosity, are you a hosie or a hizzie? you're pretty loud about your dislike for handon, but i rarely see you post either hosie or hizzie.

Honestly, I had to think hard to answer this because I really did enjoy aspects of both ships. Short answer, I like both but don't love either. If I had to choose I would likely say Hizzie.

With Hosie I feel like they lacked a lot of the depth despite them being the most popular ship in the show. Ironically enough, they followed in KC's footsteps in that sense. They never really had enough build-up for them to start a relationship at any point in the show and it didn't help that the writers seemingly put a ban on them in s3. After being called out for queerbaiting the audience they just decided to completely cut Hope and Josie off from each other, even in situations that would've called for them to interact (s2 literally ended with them having an episode heavily centric on their dynamic, yet there was no follow up in s3?).

Their dynamic for the most part bored me, even as someone who enjoys the friends-to-lovers trope. Often times their scenes felt a bit empty, which definitely could’ve been intentional on the writers part to dissuade people from shipping them to be fair! They just didn’t get enough content for me to fully jump on board. I do think that out of Hope's popular ships, they had the best chemistry. They felt very natural in the scenes they shared and could've been great in canon. Had DRR and Kaylee been given the chance, Hosie would’ve been one of the few canon Legacies ships that had real romantic chemistry.

Hope and Lizzie’s relationship very clearly the star of the show. The best elements of the show were jumpstarted by their relationship (their rivals-to-friends era in s1, their hilarious scenes in s2 and 3, and their tribrid/heretic, sirebond, and enemies era in s4). The writers put more effort into Hizzie than any other aspect of the show, including Hope and Lizzie's canon relationships with their boring boyfriends. Typically, Hizzie is the thing the Legacies writers are praised for the most, and the praise is deserved.

Based on the writing alone Hizzie would've gone down as one of my favorite TVDU ships, maybe even one of my favorite ships period. But I don’t think DRR and Jenny have much romantic chemistry. Very close friends and platonic soulmates, yes. Girlfriends... I'd have to actually see it to believe it. They had the potential to start something, especially in season 4, but I’m not sure how it would feel to actually watch them have romantic scene.

It’s hard to say which I'd rather have been canon because of this. I can't see how Hope and Josie’s relationship being entertaining to watch (assuming that I can't go back and rewrite their relationship) and unless DRR and Jenny were specifically toning down whatever romantic chemistry they may have, I can't see myself rooting for them to kiss on screen. If I absolutely had to choose? Before s4 I would’ve said Hizzie by a long shot, but s4 gave Hosie an edge (I love ships where one or both of them are obsessively down bad and s4 Josie fit that to a T. Josie caring more about the girl that beat her father nearly to death, threatened to kill her mother, and actually killed her sister? EAT EAT EAT!), but also the sirebond gave Hizzie a bit of an edge (how could you not get even a little buzz from “I hate you for making me love you”?)… Hizzie was the first Legacies ship I fell for so I feel like I’m always gonna be a bit bias towards them.

I’d choose either one of these ships over the train wreck that was Hope and Landon in a heartbeat though! Both had potential to be excellent in their own ways if H.ndon wasn’t shoved down our throats.

[laufire]

Hizzie & Hosie (sorry if it's cheating to send two, but I just wanna know your brutally honest opinion on both lol)

Part of me is always going to be a bit wary of Hizzie, as much as I can’t help but fall for it. So far I don’t feel Lizzie’s fallen prey to proppiness, she has clout of her own... but until things are over and done I know I’ll stress about this, mark my words. With some luck, it’ll be like with Carolena, and if I get my way I’ll enjoy it much more on rewatch *knocks on wood*.

As I’ve mentioned before, the ship wasn’t really on my radar until 1x14. I enjoyed their interactions but I was held back. Then Miss MF’s episode happened to me and I was ALL OVER THAT. I was so taken aback by the genuine, heartfelt emotion in the dynamic, especially on Hope’s part.

Looking back it’s obvious her animosity towards Lizzie is more functional than fundamental, and there’s even that moment in 1x10 where she asks for her collaboration and is clearly bothered when Lizzie refuses her... but boy, I did not expect her to go full on “omg the cool girl is being nice to me” teen crush giddinesh right then and there xDD. She even asked Lizzie for relationship advice! Does Lizzie look like she knows shit about relationships, Hope. Does she. Smh.

Their scenes bring me joy and warm my heart. The noir!AU episode went to a whole other level too, d’aw. I kind of want to explore it more, fic-wise. We’ll see.

My opinions on Hosie are far more negative because there’s no doubt about Josie being proppy towards Hope, especially in s2 after being paired with Landon. The episode where they “reconcile” and hug it out and Josie tells Hope of course she can stay in the school... fandom was all over “yay hosie rights!!” that day and I was gutted because Josie came across as feeling so, so miserable in that scene.

I can not comprehend how people couldn’t see it. I mean, I can: proppiness. But it jumpted out to me so brutally. And you can tell she’s still bothered by it, given how dark!Josie listed it in her list of deep resentments (“Landon breaks up with you in ONE speech”). FFS pay some attention.

I’m not as bothered as if this was happening to Lizzie, to be clear. Stanning is like that. If this was happening to Lizzie, based on my Caroline vs. SE feelings, I’d hate Handon with endless passion right now, and instead I still love them together and separate. And I definitely wouldn’t enjoy Hizzie vs. Hosie showdowns the way I do. But the point is that I can’t like Hosie, as a dynamic on its own, when this is how the ship comes across to me.

Send me a ship and I’ll give you my (brutally) honest opinion on it

[elisabeth-forbes]

Penelope, Jade, Finch, Rafael, Hope (specifically, in order of preference *as romantic interests of Josie*)

I genuinely had to think about this because I have issues with most of them XD.

1. Penelope - I love how she just stirred up so much feeling in Josie. Even when Josie knew her and Lizzie didnt get along she still couldn't help but engage with her. And we got to see that darker jealous side of her which I thought was brilliant (also when someone said Josie was ooc because of hurting someone because of Landon I was like did you watch season 1 with the whole setting her ex on fire?). Also the ep in Josies mind we still see how it affects Josie. Plus she did put Josie first (even when she didn't want to be). I wish she would come back for like an episode or 2.

2. Finch - its fun and cute. They seem to bringing up the angst because of the merge. So I'm getting more interested in it.

side note - I have always shipped all of Josies LI with Lizzie because I find that they sometimes fall into what makes me like a ship and this is definitely the case with Finch. The episode where Lizzie goes into her mind - I just really liked that meet ugly aspect of it. But like considering how much her character says that Lizzie takes everything I'm just like - opps?

3. Rafael - They were cute but they didn't do enough with it. I can't see them together post-birthday because I think Josie got rid of all romantic feelings after Lizzie and Rafael hooked up.

4. Jade - it was just kinda there and it was another case of them not doing enough with it.

5. Hope - I liked them in season 1 but I have just 2 major issues with it that makes me go please don't go there.

the alaric thing where he seems to prefer Hope to his own daughters and they all know it.

the landon thing where everyone seems to love how it was handled but Josie looked absolutely miserable and you can see how it bothered her. Dark!Josie even brought it up so clearly it bothered her.

So it kind of makes go well wouldn't them getting together kind of mess up her arc? (also if that didn't put me off it the fans would have because jfc tag your hate against lizzie and hope and don't put it in their tags)

[dressforvillains]

Thinking about them (hosie)

[darthluffy]

Well that was disappointing. I’m pretty certain I could have written a better way to wake up Hope than that.... oh wait, I actually did!

What's Left Inside (30981 words)

Chapters: 4/4, Completed

Fandom: Legacies (TV 2018)

Relationships: Hope Mikaelson/Josie Saltzman, Hope Mikaelson/Lizzie Saltzman

Characters: Hope Mikaelson, Josie Saltzman, Lizzie Saltzman, Alaric Saltzman, Freya Mikaelson, Marcel Gerard, Rebekah Mikaelson

Additional Tags: Hurt/Comfort, Not super romantic, but I do love subtext, Hope finally has to deal with her trauma, The twins finally get to see Hope's trauma, mindtrip shenanigans, Hope's whole family is there too, Angst, Fluff, Angst with a Happy Ending, Hosie, Hizzie -

Summary: Hope's consciousness ended up trapped inside her own subconscious after being ripped from Josie's mind. Simple enough to fix, all Josie and Lizzie needed to do was go in and pull Hope out. To do that though would require going through the worst parts of her mind, the parts even Hope wanted to avoid. Turns out being told about the things the young Tribrid had been through in no way prepared them for actually seeing it firsthand. Set right after Season 2 Finale

[lunar-fey]

okay so mentions of unhealthily mixing spirituality and psychosis also description of intrusive thoughts/hallucnations

yes. people lie online for attention and yes you can't "give yourself psyc/hosis by daydreaming" okay but do you people know what CAN happen? you CAN in fact, be an undiagnosed teenager who does not realize they have symptoms and then EXACERBATE them. to the point of genuine distress. if you have not been in shi/fting circles and that type of spirit/uality circle before let me be the first to fucking tell you they aren't just "dayd/reaming" they are reinforcing concepts and very often within a culture that is eager to lash out at people who say that it is fake or criticize it. okay i'm going to present you with a scenario from my own life.

so i'm schi/zophrenic. i also have intru/sive thoughts. my mom was SUPER into ne/w ag/e wicc/an shit when i was a kid, and she was (is?) very thoroughly convinced of her own Psyc/hic Power. now i can say because i have known her for my entire life and also because i have studied psychology in uni and am not totally ignorant. she almost definitely has the same disorder that i do, and even if not very clearly experiences psyc/hotic delu/sions and hallu/cinations on the regular. she also has chronic pain, and has visited many solutions to that over the years.

when i was young, she brought home a "meditati/on guide" which detailed how to like...focus your inner world, make it more clear, luc/id drea/m etc etc. and i followed those instructions, for months, an hour each night before bed. and it worked! i could vividly imagine any scene i wanted, specific people, hear their voices, etc etc. i was ALREADY convinced from my mom constantly enforcing that we're Special Psychic People Who Can Talk To Spi/rits that i was, in fact, going to other worlds and talking to spiri/ts - as/tral traveling, and that kind of thing.

and uh. it was not good for me! my halluc/inations got more vivid, more upsetting. my intru/sive thoughts as well - i had trained myself to automatically see my inner world whenever i closed my eyes, and when i started getting stressed and symptoms got worse? well now i couldn't close my eyes without seeing, vividly, the mangled bodies of my entire family, or myself plucking out my own eyes. and those were by far not the worst. i couldn't sleep, which naturally made my hallucin/ations worse in turn. i heard more voices and saw more shad/ow peo/ple (okay that's a little bit of a joke i don't see shadow people but anyway) during that time period that i ever have in the rest of my life.

POINT BEING yes. people lie online for attention. but also these people could genuinely and really be suffering from psy/chosis and making themselves worse and idk man. idk it just seems in poor taste maybe to mock people that are expressing that they are suffering. lol

okay ive seen that post about "you cant get stuck shif/ting" "you cant give yourself psy/chosis" "its just people lying online for attention" and im mad now actually hang on.

[wizardingbeasts]

Another Hosie one shot. Enjoy. :)

Hope knew she was dying. Knew this was the last day she would feel the warmth of humanity. Feel hot blood pumping through her veins. And even though she knew this was not the end, she was afraid. Afraid it was, and she would be left alone in darkness, in that black void of nothingness she once lived in. That she would spend the rest of her life searching for a way out, a way back, and find nothing but fear.

So, Hope was afraid, but she was not alone.

The monster wreaked havoc, its blurry form undulating in her fading vision. Someone else would take care of it. There was nothing she could do with her heart smashed into the ground two feet away. She should be dead right now. Unconscious at least. Instead, she wavered between death and life, glimpses of her past and future floating by in hazy half dreams.

“Hope!”

That welcome voice beat through the dreams as a hand grasped her own. The tone and gesture were frantic, and concern registered deep in the tribrid’s brain. Josie must be terrified, but all Hope could think about was the softness of her skin and how relaxing it was to have her near.

“Wake up. Wake up, Hope.”

The brokenness of Josie’s voice forced Hope’s eyes open.

“Hope.”

It was a whisper. A question. A plea. A promise. A letting go.

With difficulty, Hope raised a weak hand to Josie’s face, the girl’s heart rate calming immediately, and memorized the touch. The last touch with both of them human.

“I’ll be back.”

The hoarse weakness of her own whisper reinforced her theory that then was an end. Not the end, but an end.

“No, don’t go. I can heal you.”

Josie’s voice was desperate, fearful.

Hope laughed, a quiet, shaking laugh. If her own supernatural healing powers could not mend the damage, it was unlikely magic would.

“I’m going to sleep now.”

It was dark but did feel like nothingness. She fell into dreams. Dreams of Josie. Dreams of family. Dreams of a future. Of always and forever. And when she woke up, it was Josie holding her hand. Josie’s veins that brought Hope back to life for good. Then she was not afraid. Of life, or her own bloodlust. And there was no question of deciding to stay. Josie was here, so she was, too.

[laufire]

I was wondering if you could talk more about the rebound Love Interest > Lead Guy > Sought After Woman for josie, hope and lizzie idea you had? NGL I do love that as soon as lizzie became more friendly towards hope, hope just went for lizzie and actually looks like they spend time together outside of monster of the week. part 1

If hope was a guy I could see them going there as the main love triangle. Insert parallel of elena failing to snap damon out compulsion to hope failing to bring josie back VS stefan fighting compulsion for elena and lizzie remembering hope first (that moment when lizzie remembers hope before any of her actual love interests tho XD!!!). Also josie called it when she said lizzie would go for anyone she liked as seen by hope.

part 3 - I know that stefan and elena didn't end up together but those moments when stefan was still the lead/in lead limbo. Comparing the legacies characters to the tvd ones is so fun to me cos you can see that it is the same people making it because they make the same narrative choices again and again depending on what characters they are feeling. 

Hope going immediately soft the MINUTE Lizzie started being friendly with her is one of my favourite parts of the show, sns xD.

I don’t see that many parallels with the original triangle in that sense, probably because I don’t think Elena was The Guy in that scenario lol. Stefan was always The Guy; although those that you point out are interesting.

ETA: when it comes to Elena, sometimes they make me think of (a far less cutthroat and toxic version of) Bonnie-Elena-Caroline, actually? With Caroline being more impervious and Elena growing more respectful of her because of it, and Bonnie being emotionally weaker to Elena. OTOH Hope and Lizzie actually like each other as people lmfao, and Lizzie has her own parallels with Elena keeping her up...

However, the parallels I usually see between the twins and the Salvatores tend to go the other way around lmao, with Damon-Lizzie (which, yeah, I have conflicted feelings over lmao) and Stefan-Josie. Not so much in their relationships with other people, like their parents for example, but in the dynamic between the two of them. One example of this is the season one finale when both tried to put themselves in between the other and the bullet, and it went to Josie; it reminds me SO MUCH of TVD’s finale and the Salvatores playing hot potato with their sacrifice play xDD. S2 repeated this when Lizzie wanted to sacrifice herself to get rid of the demon inside her and Josie refused. Let’s just hope this Salvatore-inspired pattern is never, ever ~subverted, for my sake *knocks on wood*.

I love the line about Lizzie going for those Josie likes, and how they end up choosing her over Josie, because it’s not factually accurate (Lizzie could not clearly be less interested in Landon or Penelope or viceversa, and the situation with Rafael makes it seem as one of those times where Josie didn’t speak up her own mind and Lizzie was too blissfully self-centered to notice something else was going on), but it rings emotionally true, which might be more important xDD.

Related to that “triangle” structure, one plotline that to me makes it clear was when Hope tried to intercede on Lizzie’s behalf on 1x15, for example. She was approaching it enterily from Lizzie’s perspective, and Josie’s reaction was tellingly jealous and extremely petty (the issue of Josie being careless af when it comes to Lizzie’s mental health still bothers me a little, ngl). That’s a classic Rebound Love Interest -> Lead Guy -> Sought After Woman scenario.

Also, it’s clear to me that Hope is just more attuned to Lizzie’s emotions. I know everyone fell over themselves with that Hope/Josie hug where Josie told her she could come back to the school, but I can’t ignore the fact that Josie was clearly miserable in that moment and Hope was pretty much unaware. In a far less explicit way, it echoes the Rafael -> Hope -> Landon dynamic in that sense, IMO.

And even better example was the noir!AU. noir!Hope KILLED Josie to protect Lizzie, despite not having her memories of either. Yeah, the context influences that, obviously, but again: emotional truth is what matters. And ofc, there’s the way Hope approached dark!Josie and the Merge.

Billy -> Silver -> Flint did it in a far more hilarious way, IMO (and ofc I stan Silver and adore Silverflint, which added to the entertainment), but they reached their peak in that show’s last season, so. There’s time! Now that I’ve discovered this dynamic is such an endless source of amusement under the right circumstances, I hope the show doesn’t let me down :P

And yessss, I love comparing notes on the parallels of this ‘verse. Especially those that are likely unintentional, it reveals so much.

[laufire]

I (half jokingly buuuut...) compared the classic sitcom triangle of Rebound Love Interest -> Lead Guy -> Inadvisable But Sought After Woman to Billy-Silver-Flint in Black Sails and I stand by it xD, but I also wanted to mention that’s what I see (and rarely see acknoledgment of) in the Josie-Hope-Lizzie dynamic lmao.