#homura behavior

[i-spilled-my-soup]

post ttc nico thinking bianca might have lived if he was only smarter and stronger and better, and bianca being the only role model he'd had for all the life he'd remembered he absolutely overcompensates becoming a caricature of distrust and seclusion. but he isnt used to it like bianca was and his desire to help (to prove his worth? to prove that he has a right to live when his sister didn't?) manifests in clinging to any opportunity of progress, anything that could earn him graditute or at the very least repentance

[burnorgetburned]

THIS SCENE THIS SCENE THIS SCENE

I could rant about this scene all day. It’s one of my favorites. It is so affecting.

This is Homura’s failure. Not just that she failed to save Madoka, no matter how desperately she tried. Not just that she discarded that old self that Madoka first cared about. Not that Madoka was right there and she still couldn’t help her.

No. It’s all of this, plus the fact that Madoka stands up, smiles, and hurls herself to her death.

It’s her facing the fact that Madoka LIED to her. She held her while the universe was reforming and smiled and told her that she is okay with her decision, that she would never be alone. And maybe being “okay” wasn’t a lie. But Homura interpreted her words as “I’m happy with this”.

Madoka is not happy with this. She is no longer able to enjoy the things she truly values - her friends, her family, her life. But what use is it to complain to Homura when the decision is already done? When there’s nothing to be done about it anyway?

So she lets Homura believe in this little white lie where Madoka is happy floating and fighting forever and she is Homura’s untouchable goddess who will never be harmed and she is fighting for a noble and worthy cause.

In this scene, Homura violently reconsiders all of that.

She is sitting down with Madoka, in a soft, grassy place, where we’ve seen them nuzzle each other and generally be peaceful in the movie opening. Then Madoka stands up, smiles like everything is okay. She makes a t-pose (like, Jesus nailed to a cross pose, which as a Catholic-raised girl Homura is probably familiar with). Homura softly, weakly says her name. Her eyes look so fucking dead in this.

Madoka tips herself gently off the edge of the chair.

Please remember that Homura has seen Madoka sacrifice herself for other people DOZENS of times before. It is Madoka’s personality. It is the greatest cause of her death. Here is Homura seeing Madoka’s ascension to god and realizing that she hurt herself to help others. Again. A fate worse than death. Again.

Just like when Madoka ran with little hesitation towards Walpurgisnacht in the first timeline. Just like when Madoka wished to save a dead cat. Just like when Madoka let her own soul gem fill up to help Homura stay alive.

And Homura could not help her then. She didn’t even realize.

(As an aside, this (along with the later hallucination where Homura remembers killing Madoka) basically forms my understanding of what victims suffering from witch-outs are experiencing. They’re going through their worst memories and realizations over and over and failing to overcome them no matter how hard they struggle. They lash out at a world they can no longer recognize. The faces of their loved ones are the faces of strangers, even threats. It’s like magically-enforced absolute depression that never ends.)

— Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie: Rebellion

[lacevalentines]

(madoka magica / rebellion spoilers below. TW: suicide and controlling behavior)

I don't know the direction in which walpurgisnacht rising will take homura's character but I can say with confidence that from at least where rebellion left off that I truly believe that homura made the decision that she felt was the most correct one even if it meant she had to become a monster in the eyes of every person that loved her. she felt that if things were left in the way the law of the cycle was currently running things that it was inevitable that kyubey would eventually capture madoka in her goddess form, study her, and use her to as a source for mass amounts of energy at the suffering of herself, the others within the law of the cycle, and magical girls at large again. this is something he explains very clearly when talking to homura before her transformation into homulilly.

I get so exhausted when I see people try characterize homura as an actually evil person with completely selfish desires and no regard for others. all of her actions, while not explicitly explained outright, when looked at closely always indicate that she does things out of her care for the other girls but feels like she bears the burden of having to do it alone because she believes she's the only one who doesn't let her emotions get in the way of protecting madoka and the others from kyubey and sometimes each other.

I will always use the scenes of her interactions with mami and sayaka in rebellion as huge examples of this. she has no reason not to kill them if she's a completely selfish and unemphatic person that only cares about madoka and no one else when given many opportunities to do so. I also don't personally think she keeps them around JUST because of madoka's happiness either. she very easily could have suppressed their roles in madoka's life with the world rewrite and clearly choose not to. I believe her mocking sayaka and acting in a clearly "evil" manner is deliberate acting on her part to frame herself as a villain. she might believe this would her actions more palatable and will create distance between herself and everyone else to protect them as well as allow her to assert more control in this situation. it is further emphasized how she truly feels with imagery displayed in homura's new world around herself (shoes abandoned on the side of a building to potentially indicate suicidal ideation, a half moon alluding to homura feeling unfulfilled and unhappy with this decision, her dancing around happily before stopping and slowly falling off the cliff side with a similar implication as the shoes).

homura's relationship with the others is incredibly complicated but she cares for them deeply too as they are also people she considers friends, she just had a particularly strong attachment to madoka. we don't get to see as many instances of her interacting with them as we do them interacting with each other as we are unfortunately only really privy to homura's life after she began looping for the most part but we can see it in the way she has expresses concern and distress for them in moments where she believes they are in real, tangible danger of being hurt (she's winces and tries to turn away when aiming for mami's leg and screams out when she believes mami is about to be truly harmed after their gun fight, which neither ever had the real intention of hitting one another with any of those bullets in the first place). her entire witch's labyrinth is one where everyone is happy and gets the lives they desire. why would her labyrinth, which is meant to reflect in-part her inner feelings and desires, appear that way if she didn't truly want that for everyone?

rebellion is so compelling to me for all of this and so much more!! (I could write a whole other post on the way it presents it's freedom with danger vs control with safety question at the end of the film) she is a girl who has repeatedly suffered incredibly traumatizing events and longs for a world where the person she loves and the friends she considers dear are safe. homura is not really the devil, but she wants to appear to be because being the devil would be easier than being a human being in these circumstances.

[bpdbeehive]

Characters that possibly have all 9 of the symptoms of the BPD criteria

Must have 5 or more symptoms:

1. Chronic feelings of emptiness

2. Emotional instability in reaction to day-to-day events (e.g., intense episodic sadness, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

3. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment

4. Identity disturbance with markedly or persistently unstable self-image or sense of self

5. Impulsive behavior in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)

6. Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

7. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by extremes between idealization and devaluation (also known as "splitting")

8. Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats, or self-harming behavior

9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

Ame-chan/kawaiiangel- Needy Streamer Overload

Annie Wilkes- Misery

Ayano- Yandere simulator

Bojack Horseman- Bojack Horseman

Catra- She-ra and the Princesses of Power

Cersei Lannister- Game of Thrones

Dandy Mott- American Horror Story

Dennis Reynolds- It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

Harley Quinn- DC

Homura Akemi- Madoka Magica

Jason Dean- Heathers

Jinx- Arcane

John Doe- Telltale Batman

Kanato Sakamaki- Diabolik Lovers

Marla Singer- Fight Club

Misa Amane- Death Note

Mizore Shirayuki- Rosario Vampire

Nagito Komaeda- Danganronpa

Pearl- Pearl

River Song- Doctor Who

Sarah Lynn- Bojack Horseman

Spinel- Steven Universe

The Joker- DC

The Master- Doctor Who

Yuno Gasai- Future Diary

[earlofbats]

Toxic doesn't necessarily equate abusive it just means unhealthy.

Homura has an unhealthy obsession and attachment to madoka, one that causes her to become callous and uncaring to the rest of her supposed friends, she is absolutely fine with letting Mami walk into her death because she knows it would keep madoka from signing the contract, she is fine letting sayaka sign the contract and fall into despair, she's given up on anything that isn't her or madoka surviving, this attachment and obsession and forcing the time loops is the very thing that creates Gretchen.

Homura is absolutely an anti-hero.

always irrationally irritated when people call madohomu "toxic yuri". like i get it's Not That Deep but like. they're kids? middle schoolers who are traumatized and mentally ill. it's not abusive or whatever. it ends up sounding kind of silly when you realize this. it's like if i ran around saying my child brother was toxic and evil because he did Child Things and it annoyed me. "homura acts creepy and weird! madoka is a crybaby" "homura insults madoka sometimes" they are Traumatized Children not some sort of shitty abusers in an abusive relationship.

[thequietkid-moonie]

hello, I’d like to request romantic scenarios about Madoka, Sayaka, Mami, & Homura from PMMM with a S/O who has an intense hero/savior complex to the point that they casually disregard their own (regarding the S/O) needs and health

S/O with superhero syndrome

[ HEADCANONS ] [ Madoka, Sayaka, Mami Homura ]

[ Puella Magi Madoka Magica ]

What an interesting request! I have bad memories about wanting to help too much people, anyways this was quite interesting to write so i hope you enjoy it! Thanks for requesting it!

Kamame Madoka

Madoka is a really caring and loving girlfriend, she doesn't feel like she is enough and yet always wants to help, thats why she admired a lot your willingness and desire to help others! She wishes she could be as she could be as brave as you are but she just can't bring herself to do so, so she just sees you be a hero!

At first Madoka didn't thought much about your attitude, just the admiration for it, she even used to compliment a lot your strenght and bravery, she used to see it as something so admirable and innocent to the point that she even started to carry around a little first kit aid for whenever you end up injuring yourself a little, she hates when it happens but she doesn't want to stop you, so she used to just try to help as best as she can

It take a long time for Madoka to notice that your wish to help it can scale to unhealthy limits, it isn't that she didn't payed attention to you is just that she refused to aknowledge that you were getting into extremes by it, she wanted to believe so hard that you were fine and that you were doing fine because she didn't liked the idea of you being hurt

Even despite realicing that your behavior is quite unhealthy because it is putting your comfort and safety at risk, Madoka still will need some time before being able to say anything about it, Madoka is worried and even scare about you and your safety, the posibility of something happening to you doesn't let her sleep at night but she doesn't want to make you upset or offend you by accident when asking you about it

Madoka doesn't want to tell anyone about this for how serious it is but at the same time knows that it may be the best, so she end up telling her friends in hopes that they give her a good advice to how to deal with all of this, or at least to how gain the courage to confront you about it

When Madoka finally is able to confront you about it she emphasizes how worried she is for you but also how willing she is to help you, she loves you so she obviously will worry about you, she doesn't want you to get hurt and there is no need for you to put your life at risk, you two can find a way to help others without putting your own life in such risk

Madoka doesn't want to be pushy but she will be watching over you for the next days because she is to tense and worried, now that she could finally tell you her worries now she is a little bit more worried about what you would do and how you will react, now she is more frecuently remembering you how you don't need to go to the extreme to helping others, you matter just as much as anyone else

Sayaka Miki

Sayaka is a incredibly caring person, specially towards her partner, she worries way too much for the person she loves but normally she tries to hide it. Still, at first, once Sayaka noticed how much you want to help others she even felt quite flattered, she imediatly take it as something good and always talked about this with a lot of admiration

Sayaka used to ask you stories about what you have done to help others, just like if you were a superhero, always giving you a lot of compliments and bragging about your bravery, about how selfless and admirable you are! Sayaka seems to always have something positive to say about your attitude, what, at the end, only end up feeding your need to help other

It take a while for Sayaka to finally understand how unhealthy this actually is, she tries to don't accept it because she doesn't like the idea of you putting yourself in danger just to help others, and deep down she also feels quite guilt for how much she always said that it was something good

It will take her a while to accept it and even more to try to talk to you about it, she wants let you know that forgetting your health isn't good at all, but she has a lot of troubles when trying to say it, she can't find the right words to tell you because she doesn't want to start an argument by accidentally upseting you or even offending you

Sayaka tries by indirect ways first, is undeniable and quite obvious how worried and anxious she is feeling but if you ever try to ask her (specially if you offer her help) she panic a little and quickly tries to brush it off, saying that she is fine and everything is fine while trying her hardest to laugh

Sayaka will spend quite a while time ranting to her friends about all of this, about how this is a problem for you and you can't just see it! about how you had forgot about yourself just to help others again! about how angry she is about this whole situation (but not exactly to you, she doesn't even know to what or who she is angry at this point), it continuos until her friends help her gaing the courage to talk with you about it

She will be way too anxious while confronting you, spitting all her worries without being able to stop herself, talking no-stop until she can't talk anymore, until she run out of breath and now is just embarrassed about all that she had said. If you get mad or even offended she kinda understand and even apologize for making you feel that way but not for confronting you, but if you seem affected by her words she will have the impulse to apologize, but will only swallow and ask you if you are alright

After finally confronting you and making sure you two are still in good terms she will be actively taking care of you, making sure you never forget about yourself even if she has to do it herself

Mami Tomoe

Mami is a really caring and loving girlfriend, however she still finds quite hilarious that you two actively fight for help other in diferent ways and for diferent reasons, she does it because she wanted to survive and because is her job while you do it because is almost as if you need it, because you want to be the hero of someone

Honestly, at the start Mami support you in this, she finds more honorable your reasons to fight (or at least at the start) in comparation to hers but she doesn't feel bad about it, in reality she feels like she can understand you to some extent on how exhausting it can be

It doesn't take much time before Mami realice that your mindset and the reason of why you want to help others isn't exactly healthy or even purely altruistic, and, honestly, is something that worries her too much, you and her friends are the only thing that makes her life still have a meaning, is what gives her reasons to keep fighting with dignity and honor, so knowing that you put your life in danger just to help other makes her feel anxious and troubled (specially if you are not a magical girl and don't have real reasons to put your life at risk the way you do)

Just as she quickly notices your unhealthy behavior it doesn't take much time for Mami to confront you about it neither, but she does is so casually and smooth that you won't feel the pressure of being confronted, Mami ask you why do you feel this need and since when you were doing this just because she wants to help you out, and she leaves clear that this is unhealthy but she will try her best to help you, as well she reasures you that you and you alone are more than enough, you don't need to prove anything to anyone nor win others respect or admiration by doing all of this

Mami tent to give you compliments quite often along with a soft teasing, all wholesome fun, even after understanding your unhealthy behavior, although she does it along with a gentle remainder of not pushing yourself to your limits or force you to continue

Mami doesn't normally shows directly how worried she is for you, she does it indirectly by taking care of you and making sure you don't push yourself to the limits to help others, she makes sure you have proper rest and meals, she is there for you everytime she can and helps you help other people or even restrains you from even offering help when she thinks it has being too much, but she always does it with comforting words, not forcing you but trying to convince you, reminding you that this is unhealthy and there is no need

Akemi Homura

For Homura her partner is irreplaceable and incomparable, she loves with intensity and is completely loyal to those feelings, Homura had problems expressing herself after all the problems she had to endure but she doesn't hesitant when it comes to her partner, specially with their safety

As much as Homura love you she despises that need you have of helping others, she doesn't like it at all and make her anxious, is the kind of thing that keeps her awake at night because she just can't stop feeling troubled by the idea a of you putting your own comfort and health under others, specially if those are people you don't even know

Homura hates it with all her being because is something threating for your safety, she doesn't understand why would you want to do something like that anyways, for her the most important thing in the world is you, and the fact that you put yourself under anyone else is eating her alive

The more you try to help other and putting yourself down by consequence the more angry and anxious she feels, Homura want to keep you safe but you being reckless by the excuse of helping others is making it too difficult! At that point Homura doesn't even try to hide how much she despises that habit of yours, expressing how stupid it is to risk your life in that way for people you don't even care about

Is probably that you two end up having some arguments about it, and even when Homura hates fighting with you she won't stop until you understand her point of view, she will have the same argument over and over again if that is what you need to finally listen to her

The more you insist on putting your life at risk by forgetting about you just to help others the more anxious and emotional she gets, there are high chances that she end up crying, begging you to stop doing this to yourself because is not healthy in the slighest, is just consuming your and her life (not that she particulary cares about her own)

Homura will be willing to acompany you and help you with your little journey to help others if you want, if that takes for you to stop putting yourself under others, but she will just do it for you to stop being so reckless and stop putting your life at risk, she won't really be kind to anyone she helps, she does it for you not for them

In this case she will be even angrier and even more at the edge whenever Kubey came into the picture, she knows that you would accept without thinking much and she can't let that happen, so she will grow even more protective over you. As well, she will try to take care of you at the best of her habilities, looking after you and paying close attention to make sure you aren't neglecting yourself

[michtheclown]

Can I know more about the Madoka Magica au I saw you draw a while ago? :3

Hehhehehehehe yeye

Disclaimer though: I did not actually watch Madoka Magica (I literally couldn’t find a way to watch the whole series) so My understanding of it comes from plot synopsis and analysis’ (also post has madoka magica spoilers ofc)

How things go in this au is a litttlle different from the original. But general events are mostly the same. Also kaito and kokichi are genderswapped (and any future characters)

They take the roles of Homura and Madoka, kaito being homura and kokichi being madoka. I wanted the relationship between them to still be similar to their canon selfs (or more like how I interpret them lol) so as the cycles of kokichi dying and kaito resetting the tineline go on, kokichi is more suspicious of Kaito’s behavior

And their relationship as magical girls is more like a fun silly rivalry

I haven’t made a design for Kaito yet,,,,or have figured out roles for the other characters 😭, the au is very much still a work in progress (as are most of my aus).

The reasons for Kaito and Kokichi’s roles as Homura and Madoka are,,,a whole nother thing that deserves another post if I actually make it, AND kaito’s whole deal

But other than that, that’s mostly it

[tothepointofinsanity]

underrated aspect of sayaka's "weirdness": she brings ruin when trying to be a hero, salvation when she's become a witch (and not just for kyoko - madoka uses oktavia's grief seed to save homura's life in timeline 3)…speaking of oktavia, if you look closely at her behavior, you can see that she preserves sayaka's tendency to take on the burden of fighting alone while putting her body on the line. the magical girl loses her resolve but the monster emerges to protect the music she loves the most…

Ah, it’s good that someone put the ironic contrast into words. I’m glad you brought this up, because I was thinking about the relationship between Sayaka and Oktavia just the other day. It’s true that witches reflect the true desires of their former magical girl counterparts, so it makes sense for her to try and protect the strongest link with said desire, which is music. It’s also worth noting that the memories of Sayaka Miki are framed in mirrors outside of the main orchestra hall instead of within it, along the hallways, almost like the she finds the memories unbearably painful that she doesn’t outright destroy them, but rather seal them away from her line of sight. Very Sayaka behaviour of Oktavia to be engrossed in the task at hand just to not directly acknowledge a larger problem.

It’s why I wonder if the reason behind Oktavia grabbing Madoka in the main timeline is because she somehow knew or recognised her, and as Sayaka had a lot of regrets and words she did not manage to say to her friend in the end, the remorse lingers heavy even after her transformation. Grasping at a vague sentiment of Something now that a familiar association is here, but the meaning of which continues to elude Oktavia.

It doesn’t help that Sayaka makes a joke early on in the episodes about wanting to marry Madoka. But beyond that, they were also long time friends. The object “Madoka” is thus also coded with this strong link of love and remorse, I think.

[corisanna]

so pure crack, like each magic girl gets to join/ be a under study of a specific division Lieutenant / captain right? I gotta know.

Homura said shed Hide in 10th division rather then deal with Kisuke and Yourichi and I figure modern that is her vibe as well. Her and Toshiro are Bro's.

each division gets a Mascot Magic girl, go.

(we KNOW 11th Division.....)

Hmmmm.

The base funny answer is I think all of them would do well in Tenth's vibe and make Toshiro vacillate between appreciating them and regretting allowing the Trio of Terror some of them to join. Otherwise:

Kyoko would fit in with Eleventh and probably spar a lot with Ikkaku. She would also get along with Renji, but Sixth is said to be strict on rules, so she'd either avoid them, dip to Eleventh after an irritating time, or delight in trolling them with malicious compliance.

Sayaka could still end up choosing Tenth to be near Toshiro for training in her water powers. And also to troll. I think she'd get along well with Rangiku and have the unstated additional motive to be near Homura to help her with social things and support.

Mami could fit in multiple places and might even transfer around. She has the proper behavior that would fit in well with Sixth and Byakuya would be able to help with her kido, which I think she would be quite good at; she could fit in with Fifth with Momo as her kido trainer; she might take an interest in healing and do some time in Fourth; she could do some studying at Eighth with Nanao; etc. She's the type who would like to be well-rounded, I think.

Madoka and Yuzu might like being in Thirteenth with kind Ukitake; also Rukia, for Yuzu. Thirteenth seems to have a mellow and supportive vibe. Fourth could also be an option for them; maybe they could become combat medics if they still want to fight instead of just working in the infirmary. They could transfer from one division to the other.

Karin might like Fifth if Ichigo has made her aware that Shinji appreciates a good trolling. Also, access to Tosh's sister, who might have info and be recruitable to the teasing cause. I can see her maybe doing a stint in Eleventh with Kyoko. Wherever she ends up, she'd try to put together a soccer team to go against the team Renji put together for Sixth. (That is in a canon data book; one line says Renji puts interest in soccer in the recruitment brochure and another says Renji made a team to play kickball.)

[junebluues]

been thinking lately about how madoka and homura remind me of kim dokja and yoo joonghyuk. i can’t be the only one who sees this. i was rewatching madoka magica and i was like hmmm homuras behavior is sounding familiar and then i went OH MY GOD YOO JOONGHYUK. am i insane yes or no

[autistic-ben-tennyson]

as someone who relates a lot to both Anakin and Padme because i grew in a stressfully abusive enviroment (not being allowed to express too honest emotions and fear, having to mask my neurodivergent tendencies, not being able to raise my voice ever or cry or be angry, etcetc) and i was a "gifted kid", and on top of that i'm queer. So for a lot of my teenhood i "attached" *badly* to anything that would remotely give me comfort, mostly objects but also people and friends, it's been quite healing to read your analysis about how "attachments" are presented in SW and how the fandom tends to twists attachments as something toxic and selfish, it's understandable when people don't like him but when everyone runs to say he was evil just for getting attached or feeling "too strongly" about something is quite hurtful

victims should be accountable for the things they do wrong, and anakin outright did so many many horrible bad things, but it's cathartic for me bc he shows how victims of abuse and trauma aren't and can't be perfect, and they react in ways that are inherently affected by the enviroment that shaped them, and in the end, anakin had one of the most famous and iconic returns ever, so it's really important to me, and your analysis are great

Thanks anon. I had a period over a couple months where I was very hardcore pro Jedi/anti anakin which in retrospect was really just to fit in with what was popular on tumblr since all the big SW blogs like Kanansdume/antianakin or GFFA are Jedi apologists. I regret a lot of my past behavior and how I treated some Anakin fans. A lot of Jedi stans like to paint anyone who likes Anakin as a right wing dudebro and it doesn’t help that there are a few people who are that way such as caripr94 or Otnesse. Yet their side isn’t much better. There’s a lot of ableism, victim blaming, and queerphobia rebranded to sound progressive. For all their pseudo-wokeness, a lot of them sound like conservatives when they put the blame entirely on Anakin for his fall and refuse to acknowledge systematic and psychological issues he had because they’d have to accept that the Jedi were flawed and not perfect.

Fandom in general has become a lot more puritanical and moralistic. People insist that you can’t show any sympathy or depth for villains, possibly as an overreaction towards movies like Maleficent or Cruella as well as the rise of Trump, hence why everyone felt Big Jack Horner was refreshing and propping up TOH as the anti SU for killing Belos. The SW fandom is no different. Antianakin has a whole pinned post ranting about not just Anakin but Padme, Ahsoka, Kallus and Crosshair too. People insist you must view Anakin as an allegory for a white boy radicalized by 4chan and Jordan Peterson but one could argue he’s closer to those in the global south who live in poverty and oppression as well as queer people who have to hide their relationships or risk being rejected by their communities.

SW isn’t even close to my top fandom or favorite media but I do post about it if it relates to stuff I do like more like anime or Ben 10. It’s easy to write off a character as just born evil which removes the tragedy knowing that he was a good person at one point and dehumanizing villains allows people to reject the idea that they could become that way. I like a lot of characters who are flawed or abrasive because of trauma or abuse they suffered such as Shinji and Asuka from NGE, Hodaka from WWY, Raven from TT or Homura from PMMM. Anakin/Vader is an interesting character who has been dumbed down to just a “fascist MAGA manchild” by some when, for all my criticism of him, is not what Lucas wrote. As a side note, knowing that all 4 OT Vader actors have passed away is sad. RIP Sebastian Shaw, Bob Anderson, David Prowse and James Earl Jones. May the force be with you all.

[samble-movedd]

madohomu isn't "toxic".

madohomu isn't "abusive".

the behaviors they exhibit that are labeled this way only seem such because they are out of context.

for example. pre-rebellion, there were "homura antis" who called homura an abuser (no, i am not making this up, check out @/magicalgirlfanproblems' pmmm tags) for things like her yelling at madoka. out of context, ofc this sounds mean and malicious. but in context, 99% of the time she says something "mean" to madoka in the main series or raises her voice is because madoka is about to make a literal canon deal with the devil that would lead to her dying in horrifying ways. it's the same way you shouldn't normally yell at a child, but yelling "don't touch that!" in panic if they're about to touch a hot stove makes sense and isn't "bad" with the context.

during and post-rebellion, this "homura is an evil abuser, madohomu is toxic" issue only got worse, because again, without context, homura seems to be controlling and malicious.

...but the "proof" that's used to prove this, again, lacks context.

"homura forces madoka out of godhood against her will". yes. but she is doing this because when she previously spoke to madoka (who had her memories of being a goddess gone, unbeknownst to homura), madoka said that being such would distress her, and she couldn't imagine bearing it. that she wouldn't ever want to do this. ofc, memories restored madoka wanted to stay a goddess, but homura didn't know this — it's also heavily implied that what she said while without memories were her true thoughts on the matter, and any "no, i love doing it" statement is mostly posturing.

related to this is the plot point a lot of people also miss, where being this goddess figure puts madoka in constant danger of being captured or controlled by the incubators, a species that canonically have caused the deaths of billions of children, and who do not care about human morals regarding this. it's openly stated that, even if homura had allowed madoka to save her and not acted, the incubators would have just done the same labyrinth experiment with literally any other magical girl they could get their hands on, over and over, until they were able to end up controlling madoka. but even them just seeing her towards the end of rebellion was a massive danger, as they now know madoka is a person and not just a concept, and can be manipulated and caught.

homura's new world is also often used as "proof" homura is controlling and evil. but...her "new world" is one where all her friends are happy, and everyone has a nice time except her. madoka has her family and friends. mami isn't alone, because she has bebe/nagisa. nagisa, a girl she knew for maybe a week and had no prior connections with, is alive, and has a happy life with mami. kyoko and sayaka live together so that sayaka isn't an implied latchkey kid, and kyoko isn't constantly alone and isolated anymore.

homura did not have to do these things. if she just wanted madoka safe, she could have put her in a lonely world with literally no one else. homura doesn't even much like sayaka — she could have easily erased sayaka from the world, or made her miserable. but she doesn't do these things. she genuinely wants her friends (especially madoka) to be happy.

"but the new world is dangerous and unstable, homura is also putting madoka into danger!" madoka's world is also unstable, if you really want to split hairs. the big danger with homura's is someone (esp madoka) could remember the previous world and their roles in it. madoka's world...had homura fully remembering madoka and the previous world, even though this isn't meant to be possible. madoka's brother also remembered her on some level. if you want to get super technical, madoka also made an unstable world that put people in danger, as homura remembering madoka directly led to the incubators knowing about madoka and the previous witch system.

this isn't even going into the background. homura doesn't act cold because she's bored and wants to, she's seen her friends die literally a hundred times or more in various horrifying ways. if you're going to complain about her personality while ignoring canon and context, you really need to channel every single pmmm character hate post i saw from the 2010s and hate all of them, because none of them are as flawless as people seem to want homura to be. madoka cries a lot and has a tendency to do things without thinking. sayaka "died over a dumb crush" if you really want to emulate posts from 2015. mami is a useless character only there for shock value. kyoko is an overly aggressive weirdo. if you're going to hold the same beliefs about homura as people did a decade ago, you can't be this choosey. and yet 99% of modern character hate for pmmm nowadays is directly almost solely at homura, as though she's the only flawed character in the show.

there are still posts made in this very year about this. here's one my mutual @angelroute found (yes, posted in 2024):

and not only is it deeply ironic (seeing this person had a madoka icon while being so hateful), ignorant of canon (with being a magical girl portrayed as a positive in the show where it leads to dying horrifically), and weirdly vindictive (op is thirty and this mad at a fictitious middle schooler), but it shows how strange and backwards 90% of "anti homura" arguments are at their core. they're perfectly fine spitting on canon and all context to call homura and homura alone an evil character while covering their ears to anything that may suggest otherwise.

ive seen homura called a rapist and a predator, though there's nothing even remotely sexual in canon and nothing that ever even implies this is a possibility. homura being a creep is/was a major fanon trope. homura being an abuser as a fanon belief is so prevalent that people believe it when most of canon points to the opposite —

she's not actually evil or abusive, she's a child who never got help for trauma, and genuinely believes she's following what her best friend would have wanted. she's not doing what she does in rebellion because she got bored and decided she just wanted to control madoka, she is trying to protect her and is misguided from what memory-less madoka said, so believes she's following madoka's actual desires.

she's not evil. she needed help desperately and never got it, and half the fandom falls for the facade of "im sick and twisted" put up by a middle schooler.

[shoechoe]

rebellion was really funny in a sense because homura at the end is all "ooh im EVIL im the DEVIL 😈😈😈" and she's 14 years old. Yeah average 14 year old behavior

[atamascolily]

Trying to figure out how the goddamn black rose tower in Rebellion works on, like, a structural level, and I have so many questions.

It's very clear from both the production notes and the finished movie that Homura's platform is up at the top of the "rose", but somehow she magically ends up on ground level by the end. I think what happens is that the rose petals unfold and the "stalk" lowers to the ground, but we don't see that last part on screen, just the beginning and ends of the process. So the stalk is basically an elevator. *Revolutionary Girl Utena vibes intensify*

Just for fun, here's a screenshot of the inside of the dome right before Madoka and Homura blow it up. For some reason the rose petals are blue on the inside (blue roses represent the mysterious and unattainable, with Blaue Blume, "Blue Flowers" being a major motif in German romanticism) with white clouds on them to mimic the sky.

The symbolism of the roving eye-machines and the fetus-like sculpture are pretty obvious, so I won't go too deeply into that here, but one thing I hadn't noticed before were the metal swans wearing crowns--a ballet/Swan Lake reference--with an Incubator on top. The presence of birds here is significant, as Homura is about to "crack through her shell" and "spread her wings" both literally and metaphorically.

I have so many questions about this structure and what it implies about Incubator culture and technology--why did they build something so elaborate that is so very clearly drawing on fairy tale motifs? Or is it actually Homura's creation too somehow? How did they lure Homura into this thing, and where is the desert in relationship to Mitakihara anyway??

I honestly admire how Rebellion never bothers to address any of this backstory and just plunges ahead. Absolute king behavior.

[moth-surface]

tbh i think an underrated example of homura's priorities/tactics being Like That is when she apologizes to madoka for not doing enough to protect sayaka and then immediately tracks sayaka down to basically tell her "idc about you but madoka is sad." unmatched behavior.

[creamhild-gretchen]

Classpecting Madoka Magica Characters

(I didn't do Nagisa because I don't think I really understand her well enough lol, I'd imagine she's Void-bound though,)

Tomoe Mami: Knight of Space

Miki Sayaka: Heir of Hope

Sakura Kyouko: Sylph of Rage

Akemi Homura: Mage of Life

Kaname Madoka: Rogue of Doom

Kyubey: Sylph of Mind

I have a feeling most of these are probably pretty uncontroversial, but I think I might need to explain Madoka and Homura a little. The obvious choices for them would be Hope and Time, I think, but I think these make more sense when you consider what Life and Doom are about on a fundamental level.

I don't think it's fair to say that Life is just optimism and flourishing and Doom is just pessimism and decay. Rather, I think they are both about inevitability, but where Doom says "certain outcomes are inevitable, due to the laws of the universe," Life says "certain outcomes are inevitable, because nobody can stop me from achieving them," Life is an unstoppable force, Doom is an immovable object.

I think this fits their respective characters very well. Madoka's very optimistic, but I think that's simply because she views the universe as inherently beautiful and kind, and to her, Kyubey's machinations are simply a temporary blip, which will eventually decay, like all things do, back to a kinder status quo. And obviously, a boundless determination to set things right is kinda Homura's whole thing.

Though, I do think Madoka is still very Life-like, and Homura very Doom-like, but I think that's more learned behavior, and doesn't reflect their fundamental personality. Homura has been down on luck for a very long time, was likely also treated very poorly from a young age, so it makes sense she'd learn to be pretty pessimistic, and to view the world as deeply cruel. And Madoka looks up to her mother quite a lot, (probably also Life-bound, Junko even says Homura is a lot like how she was as a teenager,) so I think you could say that, in addition to her empathy as a Doom-bound, and her altruism as a Rogue, and just general lack of self worth, is what led to her desperately wanting to be useful to others.

Anyway, they don't have a Time player so they wouldn't be able to breed the Genesis Frog, sad.