#his priests like chryses

[apollosgiftofprophecy]

having Cassandra and Apollo thoughts...

thoughts about how she still calls Apollo "the god I love", even after the curse. how he gifted not just her, but her twin with the gift of prophecy. he loved both of them. they loved him.

I know people claim Athena avenged Cassandra's rape at the hands of Ajax but tbh that wasn't Athena avenging Cassandra - that was Athena punishing Ajax for violating the sanctity of her temple.

if Cassandra hadn't been inside Athena's temple, Ajax would have gotten away with it. and in a way, he did anyway.

and then when you think about Cassandra's death...the one to avenge her is the god she loves. Apollo. he cursed her, yes. but he still loved her too.

because think about it. apollo did not give a flying fuck about Agamemnon. if it was just Agamemnon who died, Apollo would have thrown a party.

but Cassandra was also killed. someone Apollo loves, and a favored priestess.

...remember what happened to Agamemnon when he insulted a priest of Apollo? a plague fell on the Achaeans.

and when Cassandra is killed...Apollo finds a way to make her murders pay the price. He gets Orestes to kill his own mother to avenge Cassandra.

frankly, I love them. I want more of them. This messy, complicated relationship with so much more meaning than "apollo got mad because she wouldn't sleep with him". Even with the cursory view I have, I can see there is so much more there.

Gods, I need to get my hands on those primary sources so I can obsessively read about them in full.

If anybody has recommendations on which primary sources have Cassandra and Apollo please tell me

I am begging you.

RAWRRAWRARWR I LOVE THEM👀

I also have thoughts about Apollo and Orestes but that's for another time

[katerinaaqu]

The Iliad Plague

Honestly I am disappointed at how little we talk about the Iliad plague that was sent by Apollo in the first rhapsody of the Iliad to the Greeks after Chryses, Apollo's priest, begged for justice for the disrespect Agamemnon showed him plus the fact that his daughter was not returned to him.

"First he stroke the mules and the swift dogs but then he shot his shafts to the humans themselves and the funeral pyres were burning non-stop and crowded and for nine days the army was being assaulted by the God's arrows"

(Translation by me)

So we basically get that the plague spread to animals first and then swiftly passed to humans and it became deadly very quickly.

It seems like a classic case of an assault of the bacteria Yersina which is responsible for three major plagues; the bubonic, septisemic and pneumonic plagues. All three seem to be associated with transmission from animals to humans. In this case my random guess would be that this would be the case or a pneumonic plague. It transmits from the breathing of fumes and it is much easier transmittable from one person to another given that both other plagues require the mix of bodily fluids. Since the disease seems to strike animals commonly not associated with food like mules or dogs it seems more probable the disease was of a lung nature.

The main symptoms of a pneumonic plague are:

Fever

Headaches

Shortness of breath

Chest pain

Intense coughing

Hemoptysis (aka "coughing out blood")

It seems indeed highly probable that the plague was of such nature which would lead to a large number of soldiers suffer from headaches and fever which gradually got worse and added coughing chest pain and coughing out blood (the other plagues have also intense vomiting-boubonic- and blood infection -septisemic-). Various post-homeric and mainly early Roman sources speak on the contributing of Palamedes suggesting better diet and exercise countering the effects of the plague or preventing it. Although traditionally we know plagues can be effectively cured with the use of antibiotics it is probable that the mention of cardio exercise could be a wink that a good cardio system can defend itself against lung diseases.

Either way it surprises me that the losses of war when studied rarely mention the results of this plague since many people count only the deaths in battle and not this which is ironically the only set of deaths seemingly affecting only the Greek side. It is interesting given how many times cities being surrounded by armies are the first to suffer from diseases rather than the people outside (although both sides suffer eventually from diseases). Realistically speaking we do understand why we see so many mentions of diseases.

And again when it comes to the sequel Odyssey as well, very few people consider not only the losses Odysseus undoubtedly suffered in battle but also one should expect he lost a man or two from the plague as well (mind you I can easily imagine some kings also being affected by it at least at early stage especially the less vigorous such as Nestor because of age or Menelaus if we take my headcannon that he probably was a bit frail of health later as I mentioned to the post tagging @thehelplessmortals which could indeed back up more how careful Helen was with him since plagues do affect massively the health of lungs or heart permanently

More vigorous and fighting fit characters like Achilles or Diomedes or Odysseus and Agamemnon seemed less likely to have been stroke by the plague. Achilles is also the one who calls upon council of kings to find a solution.

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During my collaboration with @artsofmetamoor I always entertain the thought of disease to the various war camps. Disease would often be the most common way soldiers died instead of battles.

In our stories our characters suffer a lot of many things but this also makes me do a note to self to refer more on plagues or diseases

[table-top-romulan-playing-games]

Chryses: hello, king Agamemnon, i have brought adequate reverence and offers to you and wish to plead for the safe return of my daughter please.

All of the other kings and generals: Yeah, he brought sufficient offers, you should give her back.

Agamemnon: No. She's my concubine and im sending her back to my palace where i will have her adorn my couch every night, fuck you old man :/

Chryses: -Goes back to the temple of Apollo where he is the priest- pls save my daughter.

Apollo: -Agrees and sets a plague onto the Acheans bc wtf Agamemnon-

----- later -----

Achilles: Hey, the prophet we've had with us since we before we even declared war, the one you supposedly dont like bc of the prophecy he told about Artemis wanting a Sacrifice, says he knows why there is a plague upon us rn.

Agamemnon: fine, he may speak.

The prophet: you will protect me from his anger wont you achilles?

Achilles: sure, he shouldnt get angry with you anyway, ur just the messenger and it was something we fucked up so...

Prophet: ok, well the plague is here bc you wouldnt give back the daughter of Chryses when he asked you nicely and gave you offering, so he asked Apollo to smite you and Apollo agreed you fucked up, so now if you want to fix it you have to give her back, plus reverence to Apollo, and you cannot ask for anything in return :/

Agamemnon: THATS BULLSHIT! SHE IS MY PRIZE I WILL NOT LET HER GO!

Achilles: I think you should listen to him, you already have 6x the amount of treasure and war prizes than anyone else, and if you do, then upon the next raid, we shall garauntee 3x what you had recieved this raid.

Agamemnon: actually u kno wat fuck u i'll just take Breseis instead since u wanna take mine away :/

Achilles:....

Achilles: listen here you lazy ass petty bitch, were it not for the goddess Athena holding me back i would run you through with my sword, but she gave me permission to lash at you with my tongue. You have done nothing but order people around and sit on your ass, you have done the least and have gotten the most reward where as i and mine have done the most and get scrap for reward, and the one actual war prize i had recieved fairly you wish to take away bc you want to be petty that a god is forcing you to give back one of dozens of concubines??? That we all agreed you should have gave back and refused, causing this plague in first place.

Agamemnon: U brought this doom singing prophet, that i didnt bother replacing 10 years ago, into the council tent, so, yes.

Achilles: well then fuck u, im about to become the demigod of petty, eat my ass

[peggy-sue-reads-a-book]

Which of the gods, then, instigated the beef?

Apollo, son of Leto and Zeus,

who could not even with Agamemnon,

raised a pandemic through the army;

the homies were unalived

bc Agamemnon was in his villain era.

When the priest Chryses invited himself

to Greeks’ ships

bringing hella drip to ransom his daughter,

holding in his hands the golden selfie-stick

of Apollo who yeets from afar,

and went Bernie Sanders on the Greeks like:

“Sons of Atreus, and all you other strong-greaved mother-fuckers, I am was once again asking you to release your side-hoe and instead take this swag-bag, stanning Apollo who yeets from afar.”

Quoth the Greeks: “bet!” because they really liked all the cool stuff he brought.

But Agamemnon said, “Bitch, this shit does not spark joy. I will never release bae bc we do be fuqin. Now get your saggy ass off my boat.”

Chryses was shook, for hella old was he and the sons of Atreus were unnecessarily aggro. He took a long walk on the beach, praying to Apollo:

“Hear me, god of the silver bow, if ever I burned as a sacrifice to you the thicccc thighs of goats and bulls—- do me this solid:

cancel those shady ass Greeks. Periodt.

Thus he popped off, and Apollo heard him,

and set out from the heights of Olympus,

tweakin out of his damn mind.

Then, socially distanced from the ships,

he popped a squat,

and fucking sent an arrow.

First he went for the mules and the doggos (RIP) but then he unalived the homies themselves,

and the crowded pyres of the dead burned for a hot minute, pun intended.

Nine days the shafts of the god yeeted through the army,

and on the tenth, Achilles assembled the squad and addressed them:

“Ayo, this pandemic got us lost in the sauce. But come, let us ask our life-coach what tf even.”

Thus Achilles spoke and sat down. Then stood among them Calcus, far the most legit life-coach, who knew tea that is, tea to come, and tea that had gone before.

He in his wisdom spoke:

“O Achilles, main character, you bid me state the reason for the bad vibes, but someone’s not gonna like it so before I share the tea, you Achilles must swear to protect me.”

Then answering him, Achilles spoke, “go off. I gotchu, fam.”

So Calcus was like, “it is not with prayer, nor with sacrifice that Apollo is tweaked, but for the sake of his priest, whom Agamemnon dissed. He will not cancel the pandemic until Agamemnon gives back the Trojan hoe.”

Thus speaking, he sat down; and then rose among the squad main-baddie Agamemnon like, “Prophet of bad vibes, you say that the Archer who yeets from afar causes our affliction because I did not accept the ransom for my side-hoe, since she is a legit snack; for I greatly prefer her to Clytemnestra, my main-hoe, as she is not inferior to her in thiccccccness of ass, nor the making of sammich.

Even so, I am willing to deport her hoe ass

lest the gods unalive my men.

But make ready a new honey at once, as befits my cred, as bae finna peace out.”

Then answered him god-tier Achilles, “Oof, that’s tricky.”

Then answering him spoke big-baller Agamemnon, “You ain’t sly, god-tier Achilles. How about you can lemme smash your own number 1 booty call Briseïs, and we’ll call it good.”

And then Achilles said, “Pffft. As if. My rizz is more fire than yours and score the most Ws against the Trojans. My butt hurts and I’m going home. So fuck you, Dad— uh, I mean king.

And Agamemnon said, “Cool story. I’m still coming to your tent later to smash your boo for my own bad self.

But the big sads had already descended upon Achilles and the heart in his swole AF chest debated two ways,

where he should shank Agamemnon with his pointy sword

or if he should take several seats and #chill.

But Achilles was #nochill. As he drew his pointy sword, Athena came to him from heaven, seized him by the mullet, and was all like, “Ayo, check yourself before you wreck yourself. You’re gay. Why do you even care?”

“You’re so valid for that, O Goddess,” spoke Patroclus, roommate of beefcake Achilles, with whom he had butt seggs every day.

Achilles was deep shook, for he recognized the goddess at once by her fierce RBF. He said, “hey girl, I’m finna shank this mofo. Are you here to watch?”

Then fierce Athena addressed him, “OMFG could you not? Pro strat: come at him with sick burns instead.”

Achilles understood the assignment. Thus did the son of Peleus clap back, “Ok boomer. If you ever went into battle like the rest of everyone, you’d wouldn’t need to pilfer my swag nor my fly honies. You’re lame. Achilles out.”

Thus did Achilles, MVP of the Achaeans cancel himself.

@each-uisge achem

Go off, Muse, of unhinged Achilles,

who cost the Greeks like so many Ls,

and yeeted countless souls of dank heroes

into Hades' big dark,

making their bodies into snack for doggos

and all kinds of birbs.*

Begin with the how Agamemnon--

CEO of men--

deadass canceled the main character.

*edit

[godsofhumanity]

BOOK I | HOMER’S ILIAD | LITERATURE REVIEW

SUMMARY: Agamemnon demands Achilles' war prize Briseis in return for returning his own war prize Chryseis back to her father after Apollo sends a plague to pester the Greeks. Achilles, in anger, removes himself from the war and asks his mother Thetis to persuade Zeus into granting victory for the Trojans to spite Agamemnon. Hera is infuriated when Zeus agrees to help Thetis without telling her (or anyone else).

all books / next book

Book I opens up right in the middle of the Trojan War... the scene begins with Homer providing a little background into why Agamemnon (called "king of men") and Achilles are at odds with one another.

i see often that when Agamemnon is mentioned, the author often describes him as "king of men" or write something about his association with Zeus- i think it's an interesting choice to do this because, IMO at least, it makes it seem like Agamemnon is the most powerful, and even noble, of all the heroes.. certainly, at the very least, Agamemnon himself seems to think so.

i learned while i was reading that the early kings of Mycenae were considered to be descendants of Zeus (something to trace back from Tantalus, Agamemnon' ancestor), and Agamemnon himself was the most powerful king in Greece.

later interactions with his fellow allies and the gods themselves seem to indicate to me that the title of "king of men" is only a superficial title- i mean, it doesn't reflect the worth of his heart, only his earthly gains. i know that Agamemnon isn't meant to be a villain in the intended audiences' eyes but i do find his characterisation interesting... he doesn't seem likable to me at all.

anyhow, moving on... when Apollo comes down from Olympus to wreak havoc on the Greeks, i noticed that Apollo's bow is described as "silver":

"... his silver bow rang death..."

intuitively, i'd have assumed that Apollo should have golden bow (i know this is a trivial thing to nitpick about, but i thought it was interesting!!).. however, when i searched it up (apparently other people were thinking like me ^-^) i discovered that in many poems, Apollo's bow is referred to as both silver and gold.

Homeric poems often described the bow as silver, while Classical Attic poems described it as gold... this is odd to me because i think that even in Ancient times, gold had more worth than silver, and Apollo is a revered god so shouldn't his weapons reflect his rank and status?

of course, i know that colours in Greek epics are often more symbolic than they are literal.. so i came to the conclusion that the silver bow is more suited to Apollo in this scene as a symbol of purity- the pure intentions of Chryses in rescuing his daughter against the unclean pestilience which plagues the Greeks and seems to mirror their "unclean" intentions in defiling the daughter of Apollo's priest (and thereby insulting Apollo too).

a few sentences later, Homer then describes Apollo as firing his plague for 9 days:

"For nine whole days he shot his arrows among the people..."

curiously, in Homer's Hymn to Delian Apollo, he writes that Leto laboured for 9 days and 9 nights to give birth to Apollo... it makes me wonder whether this association of the number 9 with Apollo was intentional... the 9 seems to indicate wholeness- the time needed to complete a journey/task.

that same sentence is ended by Hera encouraging Achilles to take action against this plague and find out why Apollo is so angry with them:

"... but upon the tenth day Achilles called them in assembly- moved thereto by Hera, who saw the Achaeans in their death throes and had compassion upon them."

there are two things about this sentence that i noted.

the first is the phrase "moved thereto by Hera". i read that, in the original Greek, this concept is described as "phrén" (plural: phrénes) which describes a state that is "physiological, intellectual, and emotional" all at once... another translation of the text but in verse says:

"On the tenth, Achilleus called the people into assembly, A thing put into his [phrénes] by the goddess of the white arms, Hera: Who had pity on the Danaans when she saw them dying." (trans. by Richard Lattimore)

i suppose it's similar to Hera entering into Achilles' subconscious directly... i think this scene is important because to me, it demonstrates that once again, things are happening because of the will of the gods... the mortals really aren't in control. the gods are watching everything unfold and are having a conscious role in it.

physically, they're involved in the fighting- we just saw Apollo coming to shoot arrows at the Achaeans, and we know later on, Athena and many other gods manifest on the battlefield and fight.. but they're there mentally/spiritually as well.

here, Hera is directly putting thoughts into Achilles' mind to make the battle go a certain way. it establishes the power and might of the gods, and their control over the universe.

the second thing that the sentence points out to me is the way that Homer does characterisation. something i keep noticing as i read through is that many of the characters start of as one thing, but then do a 180° and their personalities drastically change to the way they were when first portrayed.

this happens with a lot of different characters, but i think it's interesting that it happens to some of the gods too.

this is Hera's debut in the Iliad, and from the description of her as having "compassion" for Achilles and his teammates, to her gently interceding in the war and saving them from Apollo's wrath with the phrén, Hera has somewhat of a maternal role. i also feel that her utilisation of the phrén compared to Apollo's direct hands-on approach with the pestilence arrows further enforces her station as Queen of Olympus... she doesn't need to come amongst the action to have her way.. it's subtle and benign.

and yet!!!!!! at the end of the book, we see a change in Hera's characterisation- she argues with Zeus and her words are cruelly cunning... Zeus himself gets angry with Hera for her "nosiness" and berates her, even threatening to hurt her.. and suddenly, Hera loses her elegance and becomes fragile and timid:

"'... hold your tongue as I bid you, for if I once begin to lay my hands about you, though all heaven were on your side it would profit you nothing.' On this Hera was frightened, so she curbed her stubborn will and sat down in silence."

obviously, i wouldn't expect that Hera talks back to Zeus, or that Zeus would say anything less than what he says above.. but i do find it interesting how the dynamics change. a sense of hierarchy is established so well with just a few lines of dialogue, and more than this, the personalities of all the characters are fluid and changing... i think this makes the characters more "reachable" and more relatable. none of the characters seem to be infallible, no matter how mighty they are... i think it's very human.

still, Hera's initial characterisation is not lost... at the end of the Iliad, Hera's final appearance involves her and Thetis, and the presence of the phrén appears once again:

"Hera put into her hand a beautiful golden goblet and spoke to her to comfort her [phrén], and Thetis accepting drank from it." (trans. by Richard Lattimore)

the peacefulness and gentleness of Hera's character returns to her.

later on, Athena is sent by Hera to prevent Achilles from doing anything irrational (i.e. lopping Agamemnon's head off LOL)..

something that stood out for me in this scene was the repetition of Hera's love for Achilles and Agamemnon both:

"... Athene came down from heaven (for Hera had sent her in the love she bore to them both), and seized the son of Peleus... And Athene said: 'I come from heaven... Hera has sent me, who cares for both of you alike...'"

i love the repetition of this statement.. i think it reinforces Hera's maternal side, and i love the revelation of Hera and Athena shown to be productively working together. we know already that Hera doesn't get along with a fair few of her step-children, but here Hera is shown to work well with Athena- she commands Athena, and Athena obeys.

i think it's also interesting to note that, although Hera wasn't really a patron of heroes, she still seems to do a lot for many heroes- we know she deeply cared for Jason, and now we see Hera intervening on behalf of both Agamemnon and Achilles. and it doesn't seem to me that she's doing this purely because she doesn't want them to fight amongst themselves and lose the battle- it's not selfish..

the wording of Hera "having compassion", and "love she bore to them both" is emotionally strong language. it feels like there's more to the war than a trivial beauty competition... the gods are more engaged in this battle than meets the eye.

another interesting thing to note in this scene is the presence of Athena:

"Athene came down from heaven... and seized the son of Peleus by his yellow hair, visible to him alone, for of the others no man could see her... and by the fire that flashed from her eyes at once [Achilles] knew that she was Athene."

this is a powerful scene to me because Achilles is immediately set apart from his comrades. no one can see Athena standing before them, not even Agamemnon "King of Men" who fancies himself the most powerful of all the Greeks...

not only does Achilles see Athena, but he recognises her as Athena.. i think this is important to. it foreshadows Achilles integral role in the Iliad.. and once again, reminds the audience of the important role the divine plays in the war.

the lack of mention of Thetis, a goddess, feels intentional to me... it makes it seem like Achilles recognises Athena not by virtue of his divine lineage (for Agamemnon bears the blood of the divine too but does not see Athena), but by his own merit- Achilles is worthy of seeing Athena.

i suppose you could simply interpret the scene as Athena selectively making sure that only Achilles sees her (and that probably IS the right answer aha!) but i like this interpretation because it's a testament to Achilles' character. i feel that it makes the fight with Hector all the more tragic and bitter because there is a noble side to Achilles lost momentarily when he loses Patroclus.

at the end of Athena's speech to Achilles, she assures him that he will:

"... receive gifts three times as splendid by reason of this present insult. Hold, therefore, and obey."

it's pretty standard in literature that the number 3 is very powerful.. i'm not sure for how long the number 3 has been utilised as such a potent literary tool, but i think it's interesting that the Ancient Greek philosopher Pythagoras identified the number 3 with "communication". he said that the number 3 encourages creativity and sociability...

is Achilles ever rewarded for obeying the gods as Athena promised? off the top of my head,, i can't recall whether he is... but it's definitely an interesting part of the story to remember as the story unfolds further.......

moving on... the first mention of Hector occurs in Book I.. it seems that Achilles has always disliked Hector.. though Hector is definitely a hero, and is considered brave and noble, the mightiest of the Trojans, i love the way the first mention of Hector has Achilles describing him as "murderous"...

we are also introduced to Nestor who attempts to pacify Agamemnon and Achilles. in his debut description, Homer intentionally provides us with the following line:

"Two generations of men born and bred in Pylos had passed away under [Nestor's] rule, and he was now reigning over the third."

this line not only establishes Nestor as the one with wisdom acquired after many of years of living, but his longevity also establishes him as the "spectator".

Nestor himself says that he has lived to be among great heroes like Pirithous, Dryas, Polyphemus, and Theseus... i'm not entirely sure whether the implication is that these heroes have already died, but it definitely does make Nestor appear to be some sort of mystical observer, watching over the fate of the heroes.

this is reinforced in the fact that Nestor survives the war, and eventually reappears in the Odyssey, again providing wisdom to a younger generation of heroes, in particular- Telemachus, the son of Odysseus.

further on, Agamemnon, quarrelling with Nestor, says this:

"Granted that the gods have made [Achilles] a great warrior, have they also given him the right to speak with railing [to me]?"

there are lots of ironic scenes in the Iliad, but this one makes me laugh because Agamemnon here presumes to know the thoughts of the gods- and he thinks that they wouldn't like Achilles talking so badly about Agamemnon with so little respect... BUT! the irony is that the gods have seen and heard it all, and they kinda just... don't care.

in the previous scene with Athena and Achilles, and Athena literally gives Achilles permission to get angry at Agamemnon, as long as he doesn't physically hurt him:

"Cease, then, this brawling, and do not draw your sword. Rail at him if you will, and your railing will not be in vain..."

once again, Homer shows us that the gods are present in the battle, and from the background they are controlling what happens.. as gods do.

in the next scene, Achilles pleads with his mother Thetis to allow the Trojans to win, and he says:

"Go, then, to [Zeus], remind him of [what you have done in the past for him], clasp his knees, and bid him give succor to the Trojans."

i didn't realise until i did more research, but the "clasping" of knees is an important, recurring motif in Greek literature..

supplication is an ongoing theme in many Greek epics- the clasping of the knees seems to indicate sinceere humility and a sense of desperation... when Thetis later goes to Zeus in the same book, she not only clasps his knees, but touches Zeus' chin, further establishing a sense of sincerity, and intimacy.. which of course, Zeus cannot refuse.

when Thetis assures Achilles that she'll try to talk with Zeus, i found it very fascinating that Zeus was described as being gone for 12 days:

"For Zeus went yesterday to Oceanus to a feast among the Ethiopians, and the other gods went with him. He will return to Olympus twelve days hence."

the reason why i love this number so much is because... and i don't know if Homer at the time knew this already, or whether some astronomer had heard this passage and decided it would work out.. BUT! the planet Jupiter (named for the Roman equivalent of Zeus, Jupiter) takes TWELVE (12) years for a full cycle!!! and how long was Zeus gone from Olympus for? TWELVE (12) days!!!!!!! i just think it's perfectly brilliant the way it works out.

12 seems to represent unity and completeness.. Zeus is gone for 12 days, there are 12 Olympians, and there were 12 Titans before them. it's a good number.

finally at the end of Book I, we are brought to Olympus where Zeus and Hera bicker, Zeus gets pissed, and then we are introduced to everyone's favourite blacksmith god, Hephaestus.

i really really love Homer's characterisation of Hephaestus. although he's an outcast in Olympus, and the other gods laugh at Hephaestus, Hephaestus himself doesn't see himself as less than the other gods.. i mean, he doesn't have low self-esteem, and even though he "bumbles" around, he's not pathetic.

Hephaestus plays a key role in pacifying both Hera and Zeus.. the Hephaestus in Homer's version loves his mother Hera deeply and was cast from Olympus after defending her from Zeus.. Hera returns this affection for her son, calming down after he speaks words to her and deciding to not push the matter further with Zeus.

but Hephaestus doesn't only prevent a fight, he picks up everyone's mood after it as well- all the Olympians are gathered together for a banquet and are feeling awkward after Hera and Zeus' show down, but Hephaestus manages to pick the mood back up-

"Hera smiled at [Hephaestus], and as she smiled she took the cup from her son's hands. Then Hephaestus drew sweet nectar from the mixing bowl, and served it round among the gods, going from left to right; and the blessed gods laughed out a loud applause as they saw him bustling about the heavenly mansion."

i'm not sure whether, traditionally, it would have been Hebe or Ganymede's role to serve the nectar, but the way that Hephaestus takes initiative and performs this role is a testament to his own character.

there's no doubt in my mind that the use of the word "bustling" is intentional and is meant to portray Hephaestus as clumsy and a bit oaf-like... but it doesn't seem like it's an accident on Hephaestus' part.. in my opinion, the way he moves "from left to right" makes me feel like Hephaestus does it on purpose.. he purposefully takes up the role of the fool in order to make everyone laugh and restore unity among the Olympians.

FURTHER READING:

Hera in the Iliad

supplication in Ancient Greek literature

[sweet-soul-fragnance]

Apollo : superstar of the illiad -

following are the instances of apollon awe-invoking moments in the illiad : (1,2,3 ... GO bonus : all apollo concerned content of illiad is mentioned too !! Happy scroll through

=> Apollo's priest chryses invoked Apollo For he had come to the swift ships of the Achaeans to free his daughter, bearing ransom past counting; and in his hands he held the wreaths of Apollo who strikes from afar , thus Phoebus Apollo Down from the peaks of Olympus he strode, angered at heart, bearing on his shoulders his bow and covered quiver. The arrows rattled on the shoulders of the angry god as he moved, and his coming was like the night. Then he sat down apart from the ships and let fly an arrow: terrible was the twang of the silver bow. The mules he assailed first and the swift dogs, but then on the men themselves he let fly his stinging shafts, and struck; and constantly the pyres of the dead burned thick. For nine days the missiles of the god ranged among the host .

(This must've had helped troy beyond as the aecheans strengthen decreased) .

=> Calchas , who knew the things that were, and that were to be, and that had been before, and who had guided the ships of the Achaeans to Ilios by his own prophetic powers which Phoebus Apollo had bestowed upon him . He suggested the argives to give the priest daughter back to appease the angered god apollon thus They brought forth the hecatomb for Apollo, who strikes from afar, and also the daughter of Chryses from the sea-faring ship. Odysseus lead her to the altar and placed in the arms of her dear father persuading chryses to ask apollo to deliver the greek army from the plague thus chryses prayed to apollo and argives were freed of plague .

=> Odysseus and his men when sailed back to their camp apollo sent them favouring winds too .

=> pandarus , glorious son of Lyacon was gifted his bow by apollo .

=> machaon , son of asclepius (son of Apollo whom Apollo taught the art of healing and medicine) used to treat the wounds of soldiers of the troy . Apollo has a hand behind machaon ability as asclepius recieved his own knowledge and art of healing by Apollo in the First place.

=> here is a adorable motivation apollo is seen to give to troy soldiers :

And Apollo, looking down from Pergamus, had indignation, and called with a shout to the Trojans: "Rouse ye, horse-taming Trojans, give not ground in fight before Argives; not of stone nor of iron is their flesh to resist the bronze that cleaveth the flesh, when they are smitten. Nay, and Achilles moreover fighteth not, the son of fair-haired Thetis, but amid the ships nurseth his bitter wrath". So spake the dread god from the city .

=> Apollo saving Aphrodite's son aeneas

as diomedes harmed aphrodite , she then with a loud cry let fall her son, and Phoebus Apollo took him in his arms and saved him in a dark cloud, lest any of the Danaans with swift horses might hurl a spear of bronze into his breast and take away his life . Apollo then took aeneas to pergamus where his temple is built there leto and Artemis heals him and apollo of the silver bow fashioned a wraith in the likeness of aeneas seld and in armour like to his not only this but Apollo himself sent aeneas on the battlefield putting courage in his breast .

[pelideswhore]

demeter vs chryses

it's mother's day in germany today, so i made a post about the best mother in greek mythology :D also upcoming post about ares on father's day

TW—kidnapping

the idea of this post is basically just a shower thought and is as follows: both demeter and chryses lost their daughters to forms of kidnapping, but while chryses is praised for how he handled it, demeter is antagonized .... let's get into that.

fyi, the meaning of this post is not to drag chryses down. i do believe that he did the right thing and is a great father. however i do mean to uplift demeter because she deserves it :)

also, i'm going to be referring to Chryseis as 'Astynome' in this post so you don't mix her up with the nymph from Demeter's myth or even her father himself, since the names are similar/same.

first of all, a summary of each of their stories:

demeter — Persephone and Demeter were chilling with their girlfriends on some field somewhere when Persephone went to pick a daffodil, which was a trap set by Zeus and Hades. When she reached the flower, Hades emerged from through the ground k!dnapped her. Demeter was extremely saddened by this incident and when no one would help her find her daughter, she left Olympus and plants stopped growing because she was sad. Harvests failed and that was shit for mortals, so Zeus had to do something. Meanwhile, Persephone has eaten a pomegranate in the underworld, meaning she can't leave. Zeus strikes a deal with Hades and Demeter: Persephone is to stay on Olympus with her mother for 2/3 of the year and the rest with her now-husband (the greek calender is different from ours don't be confused lol, they had shorter years).

chryses — During the ninth year of the Trojan War, the Greeks captured a city allied to Troy and took many citizens as slaves. Amongst them was Astynome, daughter of Apollo's priest Chryses. Chryses entered the Greek camp despite being considered an enemy and offered money in return for his daughter, which Agamemnon denies. Angry at him, Chryses prays to Apollo to send a plague on the Greeks – he does just that, and Agamemnon realizes where he went wrong (everywhere). He sends Odysseus to bring Astynome back to her father and the plague ends.

now let's compare the two:

both asked for their children back before getting serious.

"For Chryses sought with costly gifts to gain, // his captive daughter from the victor's chain." (source)

"She [Demeter] sped off like a bird, soaring over land and sea, looking and looking. But no one was willing to tell her the truth." (source)

both were respectlessly denied this plea.

"The Greeks in shouts their joint assent declare, The priest to reverence, and release the fair. Not so Atrides [Agamemnon]: he, with kingly pride, Repuls'd the sacred sire, and thus reply'd: Hence, on thy life , and fly these hostile plains, Nor ask, presumptuous, what the king detains; Hence, with thy laurel crown and golden rod, Nor trust too far those ensigns of thy god. Mine is thy daughter, priest, and shall remain; And prayers, and tears, and bribes, shall plead in vain; Till time shall rifle every youthful grace, And age dismiss her from my cold embrace, In daily labours of the loom employ'd, Or doom'd to deck the bed she once enjoy'd. Hence then, to Argos shall the maid retire, Far from her native soil and weeping sire."

both more or less caused the death of hundreds of people.

"The fleet in view, he [Apollo] twang'd his deadly bow And hissing fly the feather'd fates below. On mules and dogs the infection first began And last the vengeful arrows fixed in man."

"It [the year] was so terrible it makes you think of the hound of Hades. The Earth did not send up any seed."

however

chryses explicitly asked for the people to get ill and die. demeter can't change the fact that her emotions effect harvests etc.

chryses is 'merely' a priest. demeter is a deity, and is hence worthy of more respect.

chryses is a male. demeter is female.

the definition of double standard according to the Cambridge Dictionary is as follows: "a rule or standard of good behaviour that, unfairly, some people are expected to follow or achieve but others are not." (source)

this definition applies to this situation because Demeter is expected to not get angry while Chryses' emotions are justified. And objectively, Hades and Persephone's relationship started out just as problematic as Agamemnon and Astynome's, so that can't be the reason.

It is literally unacceptable to hate on Demeter for displaying her emotions like Chryses did while praising him. It’s just wrong.

The final statement: You are legally not allowed to hate Demeter cus she's awesome.

edit: there was an incorrect quote somewhere here which @littlesparklight pointed out. it has been changed :)

[achilles-in-a-blanket-burrito]

IM SO SORRY THIS WAS GONNA BE SHORT AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW ALL OF THIS BUT I GOT MILDLY CARRIED AWAY BECAUSE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WAFFLE

yayay! so uhm basically right during the trojan war, achilles and agamamnon, who was the leader of the greek army right. and anyway this happenned, got into like a fight because agamemnon took this girl chryseis as his war prize. uhm and then her father chryses was of course upset. oh yeah by the way chryses was a priest of apollo. anyway, so chryses comes with a butt-load of treasure so agamemnon returns his daughter. agamemnon refuses. then apollo curses the greek troops and theres like disease. achilles thinks that agamemnon should return chryseis. eventuakky, he does. but he takes achilles' war prize, briseis. this is IMPORTANT because she is basically a living embodiment of his honour and worth in the army so now agamemnon and achilles are on the outs and achilles is going to sulk. and you know how the ancient greeks had like them vase paintings. yeah basically in one of them to shoe that the artist just shows him wrapped up in like a big blanket.

anyway imma go back to listening to the silver blaze

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[imissthembutitwasntadisaster]

Sometimes Homer is a genius and sometimes he's like "this priest is called Chryses and he's from the town of Chryse and his daughter's name is Chryseis fight me."

[gracchisuggestions]

[Agamemnon brandishes his scepter at a cringing Chryses]

PSA Narrator: You wouldn't steal a priest's kid.

[Diomedes buries a spear in Ares' gut]

PSA Narrator: You wouldn't stab a god.

[Odysseus yeets Astyanax off the city wall like a discus]

PSA Narrator: You wouldn't throw a baby!

[Achilles pulls his chariot to a stop, Hector’s still-armored body tossing around behind it. He hops off, goes around the back, and retrieves Hector’s helmet, considerably worse for wear]

PSA Narrator: You wouldn’t drag a man behind your chariot, and then steal his helmet!

[The helmet is on the ground, open side up. Achilles squats over it and hikes up his armor]

PSA Narrator: You wouldn’t go to the toilet in his helmet!

[Andromache peers out from the slightly-open city gate, warily regarding a gift-wrapped box set before it]

PSA Narrator: And then, send it to the man’s grieving widow!

[Andromache opens the box and looks into it, horrified. Achilles runs up, grabs it out of her hands, and zips off]

PSA Narrator: And then steal it again!

[An incongruously unconcerned Ajax the Lesser perches on a rock in the middle of the raging ocean, an “I’m #1” flag flapping next to him]

PSA Narrator: Mocking the gods is hubris. 

[Camera pans around to show Poseidon risen out of the water, aiming a handgun at the back of Ajax’s head]

PSA Narrator: If you do it, you will face the consequences.

[Pew!]

[semusepsu]

Χρύσης μετέειπεν Άχαιοῖσιν, ἀλλ' οὐκ Άτρεΐδῃ  ἥνδανε θυμῷ. Chryses addressed the Achaeans, but this did not please the son of Atreus - this is Agamemnon - in his heart. What's going on? The Greeks have sacked a town near Troy. They then divided the plunder among themselves. This plunder included not only such coveted items as cooking pots-- Homeric heroes loved cooking pots as much as sports stars today love expensive cars-- but also the daughter of the local priest of Apollo. His name was Chryses, and hers Chryseis, or "Daughter of Chryses." We'll learn how to decline her later. The priest, Chryses, however, is a first declension masculine, and he comes to the Greeks to ask for the return of his daughter. He even offers shiny ransom. But Agamemnon has taken a liking to Chryses' daughter, and does not want to give her back. This is going to cause a lot of trouble.

Hans-Friedrich Mueller, The Great Courses' Greek 101: Learning an Ancient Language

[katerinaaqu]

Hello! So I understand that in the Iliad and Odyssey Helios is the sun, and Apollo’s “sun” correlations were a later addition (I think?). I believe this happened with Artemis as well so what exactly are Leto’s twins the gods of during the Iliad and Odyssey? Do they have some of those connections in Homer (like with Apollo’s primary epithet being Phoebus which I believe is “Shining”?). But yeah! What exactly are Artemis and Apollo’s domains in homer?

Thank you :D

Hello there!

That is a very good question. I believe one must forget the idea that the gods of the greeks are correlated with only one thing. The religion is not cut-clean as "Helios=Sun therefore Apollo=something else". The gods had many attributes and those were used interchangably and sometimes with correlation to other gods. Sometimes they were even co-worshipped.

Either way though one can make a small separation here. Helios is the literal sun (which is what the name means after all) aka the sun itself. Apollo is a solar deity. He is a god of the sun not the sun himself. Likewise Artemis is a lunar deity but not the moon itself, which is Selene etc. and even that is not cut-clean always like that.

For Apollo as you know he is already referenced in first Rhapsody of the Iliad as his priest Chryses got offended and prayed for justice. Apollo smites the greeks for 9 days with a plague (see also my analysis on that plague) so we have the attribute of Apollo as god of plagues and diseases. They also more-often whatnot call him "the one who aims from afar" speaking on his archery skill. We also see him as the god of prophecies via the myths of Cassandra among others. That is also backed up by the homeric hymns that date roughly at the same period as the homeric poems. He is also referred to as "fair haired" aka "blonde" which can be an indicator of his solar attribute. He is also seen with his attribute as the god of music when he plays his lyre at the feast of the gods.

The name "Phoebus" is very much used in both the Iliad and the Odyssey. We see the term already in Rhapsody 1 in Iliad. His association with gold is also important here so his association with light is always apparent.

Artemis also is mentioned for her skills in archery and her association with hunting and wilderness but also for her healing abilities (see Rhapsody 5 in Iliad) she is also associated with youth and love for play in nature as well with the vengeance against Niobe. Odysseus also compares Nausicaa's beauty with Artemis in Odyssey which again associates her with youth and virginity.

What I find ironic is that Apollo is said to have silver shafts in the homeric poems while Artemis has golden!

So in conclusion I think both the twins have a full set of attributes and powers in the homeric poems but the most explored ones are their talents in archery as well as Apollo's attribute with disease, prophets and muic while Artemis wilderness, play in nature and maidenhood. I would say their attributes for sun and moon are mostly hinted here by the color of their hair (both are called fair-haired) as well as Apollo's epithet "Phebus" and Artemis's beauty (often associated with beauty of the moon)

I hope that makes sense. Thank you very much for the question

Also what a strange coincidence you asked me that for recently my friend @artsofmetamoor released two AMAZING sketches for an AU that is based on greek mythology and the characters she released are associated with Artemis and Apollo! XD

[accusedofsin]

Suddenly, Reynauld was all up in Dismas face, looking at him with wide eyes, full of adoration. "That was beautiful!" he said quietly. "Please, continue?" the knight begged, he wanted to hear more of the verses Dismas could recite.

from @bulwark-of-hope

[what Reynauld was talking about]

Dismas choked on smoke and reeled back, dropping the pipe but managing to catch it mid-air.

"Da fuck?" he muttered with confusion, looking at the pipe in hand. "T'is ain't that herbs I usually-- huh? Yer... real? Nah. Can't be. Right?"

He cocked his head to the side and cautiously came back to Reynauld, frowning in concentration before slowly, wearily reaching up to his face and softly touching him - and abruptly jumping back, as if burned:

"Light's tits, yer real?!" he nearly yelped before cutting himself even more abruptly and trying to recompose himself into his usual calm facade, hurriedly tugging the neckerchief up to hide his embarrassment. Yet his ears were painfully red, giving him away and he cleared his throat. "Ye... heard 'at...?"

Finally, he looked at the knight, baffled and embarrassed in equal measure, and maybe, just maybe slightly hopeful.

"Ye... actually liked 'at?" Dismas questioned in a small voice, not taking his eyes away from the crusader, then paused, and then gave a slow, dazzled nod. "I... yeah... sure, I mean. Sure. Grab a chair n' a pint... this bloody thing lasts for hours... I... I don't rememba' all o' it, but... some bits, uh, sure..."

He cleared his throat again and dragged the neckerchief down. Wet his lips. Shuddered. Any audience unnerved him - unsurprisingly, for an ex-brigand, heh. Took a breath and--

"n' which o' da gods was it that set them on t' quarrel?" he had to gulp for air again. Reynauld's presence was both unnerving and thrilling, but he remembered the first few pages by heart. "Tis was the son o' Jove n' Leto; for he was angry with the king n' sent a... a pestilence upon the host t' plague the people, 'cause the son o' Atreus had dishonored Chryses his priest..."

He must've been dreaming...

for @bulwark-of-hope

[terpsikeraunos]

Goddess, sing about the damnable rage of Achilles son of Peleus Which forced sorrows beyond counting on the Achaeans, Flung many strong souls of heroes headlong into Hell, And made them pickings for dogs And all flesh-eating birds; so Zeus’ plan was carried out From the moment they first stood apart, quarreling, The son of Atreus, lord of men, and divine Achilles. And which god pitted them against each other? Zeus and Leto’s son, since he, provoked to anger by the king, Raised a terrible sickness through the army, and the people died, Because the son of Atreus scorned Chryses, a priest. He came to the quick ships of the Achaeans To free his daughter, bringing ransom beyond counting, Holding in his hands the wreaths of far-shooting Apollo Along a golden staff, and he begged all the Achaeans, But most of all the two sons of Atreus, commanders of the people: “Sons of Atreus, and you other fine-greaved Achaeans, May the gods with their Olympian halls grant That you plunder Priam’s city, and come home safe; Just release my dear daughter to me, and take this ransom, With reverence for the son of Zeus, far-shooting Apollo.” Then all the other Achaeans shouted their agreement, To respect the priest and take the splendid ransom, But the heart of Atreus’ son, Agamemnon, was not pleased, And he threw him out rudely, and made a forceful speech: “Don’t let me find you by the hollow ships, old man, Loitering now or coming back later, Or the staff and wreath of the god might not save you next time. I will not free her. Old age will come upon her before that happens, In our house in Argos, far from her homeland, Working the loom and sharing my bed. But go, don’t provoke me, so you may return unharmed.” So he spoke, and the old man was frightened, and took him at his word. He went silently along the dunes of the loud-roaring sea, And then, moving far away, the elderly man prayed urgently To lord Apollo, whom rich-haired Leto bore: “Hear me, o silver-bowed, you who protect Chryse And sacred Cilla and rule over Tenedos by might, O Sminthian, if I ever roofed for you a graceful temple, If I ever burned for you fat thighbones Of bulls and goats, grant this wish of mine: Make the Danaans pay for my tears with your arrows.” So he spoke, praying, and Phoebus Apollo heard him, And went down the peaks of Olympus, seething in his heart, With his bow and close-covered quiver on his shoulders, And the arrows clashed on his shoulders as he moved Infuriated, and he fell like the night.

Iliad 1.1-47

[seikyoko]

 [ID : first picture is a screenshot of a google search, showing a preview of the Apollo (Gods behaving badly) villain wiki, with the text stating

“He had almost entirely given himself over to evil, being able to deceive his own father, the great god Zeus, who had tricked the ancient Titans, into squandering his power. Apollo had no remorse for his crimes; never being human, he never had any understanding of how the human mind worked. He didn't understand rape was wrong, even saying "Oh, so that's why they made it illegal" when Alice said that it did hurt and was evil. Threatening to rape Alice was his most evil act, beyond that of putting out the Sun [...] . Apollo's most evil acts thus would be: Threatening to rape Alice Putting out the Sun and breaking his divine oath “

second picture is an answer of the google search “what bad things did Apollo do?” with the answer being “Apollo would frequently strike people with his arrows (ancient Greeks identified them with plague and sudden death in general) to punish others: He killed dozens, if not hundreds, of Achaeans, because Agamemnon insulted Chryses, his priest; he also killed the seven sons of Niobe, because her mother had boasted for her fourteen children as compared to Leto’s two (Apollo himself and Artemis).”

third picture is another google search screenshot who is linked to this page

“ Like all the Olympian gods, Apollo was an immortal and powerful god. He had many special powers including the ability to see into the future and power over light. He could also heal people or bring illness and disease. When in battle, Apollo was deadly with the bow and arrow. “

end ID]

BRUH APOLLO WAS A FUCKING MONSTER

kinda want him to fight Simo Haya, now. Throws arrows like crazy? Sees into the goddamn future?

[arieladkins-world]

The two names of #Jesus and #Christ were grafted in the Holy Bible as a savior.

This is a forgery and a lie that is the biggest lie that has ever been written and told.

🎼 In Isaiah 43:11, #God himself says

"I Am the Savior #LORD and beside me there is no other".

Therefore, to all the #denominations of #Christianity, #repent for worshipping Jesus the corpse and Christ the #Greek priest of #Pagan #Delphi or be forgotten forever.

Once upon a bloody time, after #Paul the #Apostle was murdered in Rome, his parchments, letters and other writings were stolen.

The inumerable writings were given by the emperor to a #Jewish historian named #Josephus to revise.

They told Josephus to put them together in a way that the Roman empire appeared to be as the seat of god and the unconquered sun (Solis Invicti) as the Savior of the pagan Christians.

Josephus translated the various documents by first ommiting #God the #Savior.

Revelation 22:18-19

Then he grafted his own name Josephus as the son of god.

By this and other translations, the unknown Jesus emerged as a savior that's #dead and #alive at the same time.

But if Jesus rose from the tombs of the #graveyard, this long haired son of god is a #Zombie who is chased out of the world by God the #Creator and hero savior.

Some of us who know the true God can't be fooled by a dead man walking.

We have read the early writings of the wars of #Jerusalem and know that the name of Josephus is the same as Jesus name.

In historical accounts, Josephus was a traitor.

While in a battle against the Roman Army, he forced his Jewish brethren in a suicide circle to avoid capture.

This was a mathematical equation that he knew would leave him standing to surrender while alive.

This was called the "Josephus Problem".

He watched as each Jewish soldier killed the other until he was the only one left standing in their blood.

He easily surrendered to kiss the ass of the then emperor.

Josephus had no honor and Jesus doesn't exist.

The original version of Paul's writings said that God himself is the #Creator #Savior #LORD who walked on water in a human body.

Although we can easily see the trail of Jesus the corpse through its history, the word #Christ is not so easy.

When searching for Christ, one only finds that he is just a word that means the anointed one.

Dig a little deeper though and we see that Christ was a #Trojan priest named Chryses who was also called the son of #Apollo.

This priest was #anointed with #python oil to speak for Pythia, the #goddess at #Delphi.

Once the Chresterios rubbed a priest down with the snake oil, he explained the oracle as a pagan #prophet or #magician and #soothsayer.

The anointing was one of the acts performed during the working of the rites of those ancient Pagan Mysteries in Greece and the surrounding #Mediterranean Sea.

Originally spelled Chryses, the Trojan priest of Apollo also had a daughter named Chryseïs.

Their names were from the vocabulary of the Greeks as is the Christ.

In other writings, Khrúsēs or Chrestes was used in the fifth century B.C. by Aeschylus, Herodotus, and others.

Chrestes was not only "the seat of an oracle", but an offering for the oracle.

Chrestos meant a disciple on probation.

When he had attained through initiation, long trials, and sufferings, he was "anointed with python oil", (i.e., "rubbed down to slither", and initiated like the idols of the gods.)

Some thought Chrestos was a status assigned to deities,

great kings and heroes," indicating "saviour."

Great divinities among all nations who were also men like #Krishna are represented as self-sacrificing and have been designated by the same title although unworthy.

As a diviner and magician, Chrestes was the only one who could interpret the crazy Greek goddess Pythia at the Temple of Delphi.

She rambled and babbled (spoke in tongues) while under the influence of ethelyne gas that came up from cracks in the earth.

The Pagan Priest would stand between her and the people and try desperately to interpret her babbling.

It was, let's just say, whatever he thought the goodess Pythia mumbled while under the influence.

I'm sure the #Pentecostals and #Apostolics wished they had of lived in those times cause they speak in tongues and interpret too.

They would have been the favorites of Apollo and given offerings of raw and real gold at Delphi.

But God says, tongues is for heathens, not saints who believe in the Creator of all.

Looks like Christ is all Greek to me and Jesus is the Jew traitor Josephus.

Once Christianity and the earthquakes took down Delphi in Greece, the seat of Chryses was dried up.

But the people hold up prophets, magicians and priests and won't let them die. So Chrestos morphed like a moth to Khristos, the new Roman Christ.

Once added to Jesus the corpse, he ate the wool of the Christians and has been taking them to hell ever since.

One don't have to have faith to see the truth of this.

Just look at the Jesus and Christ trail of death.

The Catholic and Christian Church has tried desperately to cover the root of Christ that is Chrestos the masculine one and (Chryseïs the female version) by saying oh the word just means the anointing.

That anointing is python oil though.

Some of us who have read the Holy Bible and other lost books, are not so gullible.

We dug a little deeper instead of just settling for every freak of a god that's been grafted and written everywhere with God.

All the ministers in this 21st. Century and their congregations have accepted the Jesus and Christ doctrine and thereby have been made fools of by the Devil in front of God.

They grope in the darkness of confusion with #Jesus the corpse and #Christ the #Pagan soothsayer of #Delphi.

As the time to #repent is just about out, God is looking for raw sinners to take their place so his table may be full.

So today if you shall hear God call, don't harden your heart.

But instead of the Christian Church cleaning up their sinful lives and the lies in the Holy Bible, they try to associate Christ with the Hebrew word Messiah, but it just don't work.

Simply, the word Messiah is only in two places in the whole Bible.

Besides that, isn't it strange how Judaism don't even mention Christ or Jesus in their vocabulary.

If not for acceptance, at least for association as a matter of pride for the Jewish connection.

The roots of Israel in the New Testament characters is zero to none for the light of righteousness.

Although Christianity has desperately tried to hide its Greek and Roman Pagan origin, here we find that Christ is in the 8th. Century BC #Iliad of Homer who tells of Chryseis as the priest of Apollo.

In the days of Homer we find the temple of Delphi as once celebrated for its pagan mysteries.

The chief seat of initiation is the Priest of Apollo Chrestos.

He is mentioned in the Iliad 520 as "Krisa" as well.

This concludes that Christianity is a pagan religion that is built on lies and illusions.

One don't have to have faith to see this because look at the death trail of Christianity.

🅰️🅰️