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i'm finally posting some of my analyses of the next 4 Odyssey chapters (books 9-12)!!!!

i realised the posts are kinda clunky coz i just vomit out all my thoughts one after the other, so i've started separating the points with coloured headers that highlight my focus for the next few bullet points. i hope that makes it easier to read and follow :)))

when i get a moment, i will go back to my earlier Odyssey posts and fix the formatting to match,, so be on the look out for that if you're interested!!

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BOOKS IX | HOMER'S ODYSSEY | LITERATURE REVIEW

SUMMARY: In Book IX, Odysseus reveals his name and recounts his recent turmoils to King Alcinous. He begins with his travels to Ismarus, and then his visit to the land of the Lotus-Eaters. In the land of the Cyclopes, Odysseus outsmarts Polyphemus, son of Poseidon, thereby incurring Poseidon's wrath.

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OKAY. so in the last book, King Alcinous of the Phaecians is entertaining Odysseus, and now, in Book IX, the meal draws to an end and it is FINALLY time for Alcinous to enquire who exactly Odysseus is... remembering, of course, that until this time, Alcinous has blindly served Odysseus without knowing his name, as the laws of xenia demand.

so.. Book IX begins with Odysseus saying, "yep, i am ODYSSEUS!" and he immediately launches into a huge story about what happened after Troy.

REPETITION: Number 9

i think the number one thing that stood out to me about Odysseus' odyssey (hee hee) is the repeated mentioning of the number 9.

when Odysseus leaves Ismarus, his crew is lost at sea for 9 days:

"I was driven thence by foul winds for a space of nine days upon the sea, but on the tenth day we reached the land of the Lotus-eaters..." (Odysseus, Book IX)

later, when Odysseus leaves Aeolus' island, again, he travels for 9 days:

"Nine days and nine nights did we sail, and on the tenth day our native land [Ithaca] showed on the horizon." (Odysseus, Book X)

and again, when Odysseus goes through the whirlpool of Charybdis, he is stranded for 9 days:

"Hence I was carried along for nine days till on the tenth night the gods stranded me on the Ogygian island..." (Odysseus, Book XII)

now, obviously, not ALL of Odysseus' inter-island travels took 9 days-- when he leaves Aeolus for the second time, it only takes him 6 days to get to the city of Telepylus.

but i still find it fascinating that at least three times, Odysseus is stranded for 9 days. we KNOW that the number 3 = the fates, so i feel the repetition of the number 9 three times here also sort of represents that this journey really was fated for Odysseus.

METAPHORS: Lotus-eaters, Memory & Loyalty

another interesting thing to note is Odysseus' encounter with the Lotus-eaters.

the Lotus-eaters are probably referring to inhabits of the island of Djerba, which is where modern-day Tunisia (in N. Africa) is.

now, i've written many times previously about the role of memory in helping to maintain "loyalty"... specifically, Penelope tries to shut the bard up so that she won't be reminded of Odysseus, but Telemachus forces her to listen so that she will think of Odysseus and be true to him.

here, the lotus fruit/flower that Odysseus' men eat takes away memory. it represents the same temptation that Penelope had with the bard, but this time, it's a temptation for Odysseus-- a chance for him to forget his troubles (and therefore his home).

but Odysseus, luckily, sees through the appeal of the flower and refuses it, and doing so, he saves many of his men and gets a little bit closer to Ithaca.

CONTRAST: Civilised Men vs. Wild Cyclopes

Book 9 ends with the infamous tale of Odysseus and Polyphemus.

we get a really nice description of the "untamed" cyclopes:

"...we came to the land of the lawless and inhuman Cyclopes. Now the Cyclopes neither plant nor plow, but trust in providence, and live on such wheat, barley, and grapes as grow wild without any kind of tillage... They have no laws or assemblies of the people, but live in caves... they take no account of their neighbors." (Odysseus, Book IX)

anyone who has read Hesiod's Theogony will recall that Zeus' lightning bolts were forged by Arges, Brontes, and Steropes, the three Cyclope-sons of Ouranos and Gaia. in Hesiod's version, the Cyclopes are highly intelligent AND respected by Zeus and the other gods...

but here, Homer offers a picture of the Cyclopes as wild and savage. they're not intelligent (suggested by the absence of agricultural practices like sowing and reaping, and then confirmed later by Polyphemus' folly in falling for Odysseus' trick).

interestingly, Homer also suggests that one of the reasons why the Cyclopes are so wild is because they don't have any sense of community:

"...each is lord and master in his family, and they take no account of their neighbors." (Odysseus about the Cyclopes, Book IX)

this is further supported later on; when Polyphemus realises Odysseus' trick, he even wails to the other Cyclopes and they simply laugh... they don't rally together to try and fight the intruders.

something i find contradicting is that, when Odysseus enters Polyphemus' cave, Polyphemus is actually quite organised and neat:

"His cheese-racks were loaded with cheeses... [the lambs and kids] were kept in separate flocks... As for his dairy, all the vessels, bowls, and milk pails into which he milked were swimming with whey..." (Odysseus describing Polyphemus' cave, Book IX)

now, i don't really know what Odysseus was expecting to find,, but the picture painted here seems quite neat and... civilised to me. there is a storage area for the food, the animals are kept in proper pens, and they're even segregated according to sex and maturity.

we don't get a description of the other Cyclopes' homes, but my guess is that, being the son of Poseidon, having godly blood in him, i think that Polyphemus is a little different to the other Cyclopes... i think there is a feeling that perhaps he is a little more intelligent and crafty than his brethren owing to his divine ancestry.

but of course, it is not greater than Odysseus' own boon.

CONTRAST: Differences between the Iliad and the Odyssey

another interesting thing in Book 9 is the wine that Odysseus takes to Polyphemus' cave... well, not the wine itself, but the story of how Odysseus got it.

back in Ismarus, when Odysseus sacks the city, he comes upon a priest of Apollo and he respects him and does NOT kill either him, his wife, or his child. he steers CLEAR. in return, Marus gives him some gifts.

now, take a moment to go back to Book 1 of the Iliad:

"[Apollo] was angry with [Agamemnon] and sent a pestilence... because the son of Atreus had dishonoured Chryses, his priest." (Book I, the Iliad)

Agamemnon's men, when face-to-face with the priest of Apollo, pay no heed to his holy status and sack him, taking his daughter away from him. swiftly, Apollo responds in full, plaguing the men with severe pestilence.

Odysseus, in the Odyssey, demonstrates his intelligence and cunning but learning from Agamemnon's mistake. he sees Marus, priest of Apollo, and leaves him well alone!!

Odysseus' knowing when to fight and when not to fight is something that really sets him apart from the rashness and ego of the other heroes.

of course, this is not always true of Odysseus' character. like all the other heroes before him, he's not infallible. with Polyphemus' story, Odysseus it seems that Polyphemus' curse that he should have a very difficult time getting back to Ithaca on himself-- his men beg him not to taunt Polyphemus, but Odysseus, full of pride and ego, ignores them:

"'Do not,' they exclaimed, 'be mad enough to provoke this savage creature further.' But I would not listen to them, and shouted out to [Polyphemus] in my rage [more taunts]. ... On this he lifted up his hands to the firmament... and prayed, saying: 'Hear me, great Poseidon! ... if [Odysseus] must get back to his friends at last, let him do so late and in sore plight after losing all his men. Let him reach his home in another man's ship and find trouble in his house.'" (Book IX)

now, a new question is raised-- is Odysseus' journey fated? is he just doing exactly what the gods always intended? or was Odysseus' journey a product of free-will exercised? was it Odysseus' actions that caused Polyphemus' curse which resulted in things going the way they did?

i personally think that Homer is keeping the idea of predetermination vs. free will intentionally vague. i think he doesn't really ascribe to any one notion-- both are important, and both come up in their own time during the story.

in Book X, we'll see Odysseus visiting Aeolus and receiving the bag of winds that SHOULD, if all goes to plan, send Odysseus and crew straight back home to Ithaca (spoiler: things do NOT go to plan!).

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yes i love the thanatos and macaria idea!! that’s what i’m incorporating into my story too

also thankfully there’s apparently an oral tradition that says melinoe was conceived when hades and persephone went on a visit to this island which thank God because i really didn’t wanna have zeus ruin everything again

lmaoooo that zagreus origin story was certainly something!!!

i love hearing other people’s mythology interpretations so if you have more to share about your story, do NOT hesitate to use my inbox as your idea-dumping ground ☺️

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sorry i was m.i.a. for a bit lol. love that tag!! chthonic trio is iconic

the plotline is something loosely around the three girls trying to find love but it doesn’t end well because munungal is the only one who’s mentioned to have a husband and child in the mythologies

i’m sorry for the late reply!! but i love that! lowkey that’s kinda sad though that it only works out for one.

there’s no canon material regarding spouses for Macaría, but i personally have a hc of her getting with Thanatos. Thanatos also is not listed as having a wife (symbolically that makes sense, of course, since he is death and death really has no equal)… but i like the idea of Thanatos and Macaría being super close… it’s a little like the dynamic of Hades and Persephone but without the kidnapping!

sometimes i think it’s okay to go outside the canon and draw connections if you can make it make sense!!!

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I imagine Aglaea bubbly and peppy, but also with some calm and polished vibe compared to Aphrodite. What about you?

yep that is basically exactly my thoughts. when she’s with friends, she’s loud and outgoing, when she’s in the court or serving Aphrodite, she’s calm and reserved, speaking only when spoken to. i think that’s also because she’s the youngest of the Charites, so her older sisters Thalia and Euphrosyne tend to speak first if anyone’s talking w/ Aphrodite

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I liked your idea of Dionysus taking the most after Zeus out of all his kids?

Like both of them are ridiculous and over the top. It will be hilarious that Zeus cringe looking at Dioynsus antics and admits he probably did them himself when he was Dio’s age

thank you!! yeah i think that as his heir, dionysus really takes a lot after zeus (that’s probably why he pisses off hera haha)

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Rip Dionysus you would’ve loved femininomenon

idk what this ask means 😓

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(this is the anon you asked about her story lol) but yes i would love to share more!!

the whole thing with mesopotamian mythology is that if you go to their underworld you can’t come back. munungal is the daughter of their death goddess ereshkigal, so the only friends she has is those who are in the other underworld realms, aka, melinoe and hel since in my story they’re all about the same age

i’ve had a similar idea to that for a while!! but for me i was hc-ing the friend group to be Hel, Kebechet (egyptian myth, Anubis’ daughter), and Macaría (hades’ other daughter) :))))) and i think Hel would be the oldest and i think they would get up to a lot of no good!!!! you should check out my #kebechet tag (i tried #chthonic trio but i never ended up using it consistently) for my shitposts :)))

what’s the plot to your story? you’ve got me intrigued…

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hi!! i just wanted to say that i like your blog very very much, immediate follow. i’ve actually had a similar concept cooking up for a while with all of the pantheons but especially focused on hel, melinoe, and munungal from norse, greek, and mesopotamian mythology since them/their parents are the outliers in all the myths lol

hiiii omg thank you so much for your kind words, i’m treasuring them forever ☺️

i am not very familiar with mesopotamian mythology but that sounds like a lot of fun!!! would you be willing to share more about it? i’d love to hear more ❤️

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Hephaestus married Aglaea and had four daughters... so, what kind of a husband and a father he would be?

hullo!! sorry for the very late response. i think i've sorta answered this post already here. but i've scrounged up some more ideas.

as a husband:

i think he is conscious to not make the same mistakes he made with Aphrodite-- i don't excuse Aphrodite's cheating, but i do think she fell towards Ares because Hephaestus was never really there for her, he was always either too busy working or too tired to hear her out fully-- so i think Hephaestus works a bit harder with Aglaea, and of course, she's a bit more patient than Aphrodite.

for example, he'd make a very strong effort to not stay at the forge too late and miss dinner with his family.

or, if he came home late, he would make sure he took the time to hear Aglaea tell him about her day. OR, if Aglaea was at the forge (which she often is :))) ), he wouldn't tell her to stop talking to him because she was distracting him, he'd be soo patient and just never ever discourage her.

that's not to say that Aglaea is annoying,, she absolutely isn't, he lovessss to hear her talk... but in the worst case scenario,, that's how it would be,

as a father:

he's always making pretty jewels for his daughters. they may not be the main goddesses in the pantheon, but they are walking out in STYLE.

something i think is important also is that Hephaestus has a very good relationship with his nephew Eros.

one myth says that Aphrodite passed Eros off as Hephaestus' son, so when he discovered her affair with Ares, that was the first time it was revealed that Eros was not her son.

while i don't think Eros was born while Hephaestus and Aphrodite were still married, i think he was born a curiously short time after it all went down, and even so, Hephaestus still worked hard for a relationship with his nephew.

and i think he's conscious to make sure his daughters have a relationship with their cousin.

so Eros is always at Hephaestus' house, and i think all of Ares' children get along with Hephaestus.

so umm yeah. Hephaestus does the normal things a good and loving dad/husband would do for his daughters/wife.

please see my hc masterlist for the complete list of hc's i've done concerning hephaetsus, aglaea, and their daughters.

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Imagine Hera and Zeus acts like a divorce couple whenever their mad at each other and just avoid each other?

i mean that's sorta what they already do in the myths right?? they kill each other's "lovers", blacken the sky, make the earth quake, just about everything except actually talking each other

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Why was Odysseus’ bow so hard to string?

(The bow I use in this is Chinese in design rather than Greek, but it hits some of the key shape points)

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Any HCs/thoughts on trying to make co-existence of pantheon make sense with the various creation stories?

My personal thoughts are that the creation events happened to make separate mortal planes, which then merged together with the shifting of the Primordial Chaos, creating a single mortal world connected to the many other divine and demonic realms

Or at least that's my vague idea lmao

sooo i think i've mentioned this before, but i have been trying to develop a story about the end of the world in which ~6 heroes from various pantheons have to meet up with each other and help the "good" gods (like Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, etc.) defeat the "chaos" gods (like Apep, Perun, Loki, Coyolxāuhqui, etc.)... and so this requires the gods to be existing with one another so i DO have some thoughts!

i've added colour to my hc's so you can kinda see the individual stages of my made-up cosmology better :))

pretty much every cosmology account has the same beginning; first, there was NOTHING / CHAOS / VOID etc. so i like to think that "Chaos" is a being non-specific to any one pantheon, but actually is the "progenitor" of all gods and life and just general existence.

it's not a god itself, it's like a... 6-dimensional, beyond our understanding sort of thing... what a god is to a mortal is what Chaos is to a god... something incomprehensible but responsible for their existence.

now... i guess you can call Chaos "potential". it's wild and untamed and unchecked, so after a while of stewing, it explodes (like the Big Bang) and from it, we get Light, Darkness, Order, and Matter.

but these things are not gods per se... i think they exist in a very chaotic and uninhabitable form. but they are IMBUED with that divine, potential energy... i think they don't actually have conscious thinking yet-- everything is instinctive-- but they are now sort of... a soul... an entity.

when this happens, they are able to actually CREATE. because with having a soul comes the ability to will... to design and conceive thoughts.

so, physical things begin to get created-- atoms form... they bond together to create stars and comets and planets (but not things like the Sun or the Moon!)... just little drafts for all the things that will eventually come to make up the world in which we live. and all of it bares an imprint... an echo of chaos, which is like.. the soul of all natural things.

now, the environment that exists is still uninhabitable... the planets are dry mounds of "land" that cannot be walked on or toiled, water floods the planets recklessly eroding the land, the dark eats up the world where it is, and the light burns everything where it shines...

so those initial concepts of Light, Darkness, Order, and Matter split into further specific components-- Water, Air, Firmament, Sun, Stars, Moon, Earth, Shadow, etc.

and through this step, the land becomes inhabitable-- there is land to breathe... the waters are calm. the Sun and the stars provide outlets for light without Light itself burning up everything... the sky holds back the darkness and manifests it in smaller shadows without the world crumbling away into nothing again.

all these components are, like their predecessor components, fragments of Chaos now brought to Order... they're now not all one thing called Chaos, they're different entities. gods in the making.

the existence of Life is the ultimate goal of Order since Order wants to control Chaos, and Life cannot exist unless the Universe has Order-- like the way in which atoms align to form a plant, or the way the Earth travels about the Sun at the right speed and distance for us to feel its heat but not burn up...

and eventually, now that the Universe is finally developing into a more familiar form, the entities manifest themselves, for the first time, as physical, tangible beings-- they are manifestations of what they represent-- like a Sun god, and a Moon god, and an Earth god.

and by the will of these speechless, unconscious manifestations, Life is born to the Universe... like, their manifestation triggers the development of life-- microscopic organisms begin to form, eventually evolving into higher forms of life.

while Life develops, so do the Manifestations. see, the more "beings" there are to represent a concept, the more Order and control there is-- idk how to explain this simply but it's like, the more gods there are to exist with divine will and create their divine designs, the more Life and Order there is in the Universe.

SO the Manifestations split again-- and now we finally have the PRIMORDIAL GODS... and there are hundreds of these beings,, most notably Atum, Ra, Gaia, Nyx, the Rainbow Serpent, Ymir, etc.

now we know that all cultures have their own cosmology account- i think these accounts can co-exist with the development of the world.

see, after becoming their own individual beings as Primordial Gods, these gods then go forth and create their own progeny-- there is Shu, Tefnut, the Titans, etc., but Creation occurred so very long ago and none of them existed in the god-form they exist in now, that their accounts differ just a little.. they're a bit embellished, maybe a little dramatised (no, Helios didn't literally have to pull the Sun around with a chariot... no, Coyolxāuhqui's head did not literally become the Moon), but largely they are true... and only the Primordial Gods are truly aware of the meaning of the Universe, and the importance of the existence of all these gods to maintain the One True Plan for Order to defeat Chaos.

ok so that's how the world came into being and all these different gods started existing, but now there are some more questions to be asked, which i will present under cut because this post is about to get HELLA long!

anywaysssss thank you for this ask!! i really loved thinking about it! and i absolutely love your idea! i never even considered the creation myths occurring separately because i didn't know how to go from that to the one, unified world we live in-- but separate planes is an excellent way to explain that!!!!

my inbox is always open, so if you want to tell me more about your idea or ask me questions about mine, feel free to drop another ask!!!

why are their traditions so different if they all came from the same Chaos, e.g., the Olympians are largely immortal while the Egyptian gods can be killed (e.g., Osiris)?

after the hundreds of Primordial Gods were formed, they had many overlapping roles (see my earlier point that the more gods that exist = more divine will = more creation = more order). e.g., both Erebus and Tartarus were associated with darkness, but Apep was also associated with darkness.

i haven't fully decided why they segregated, but i think the best explanation is that, they could achieve more when divided into their own groups. for instance, there's not much point in Atum (who, really, embodies the Earth) existing with Gaia, who also embodies the earth. it's more productive for Atum to exist with Ra and Ptah where they embody different things, and so can create further forms of life... like. earth + earth doesn't really make anything new.

so, by chance, when the Manifestations became Primordial Gods, they just sorta flocked together like that,, and as they became more conscious, they gave rise to their specific nuances.

in regards to my specific point about immortality-- i think all gods can die. no one is exempt... that's how the end of the world forms-- the death of the gods.

but FAITH is very important here,, because often things are only true because we believe hard enough in them... so that's food for thought too.

how did human beings form?

most traditions will describe the creation of the First Man and First Women from whom all humans came forth. realistically, this just isn't feasible!!!

i don't think anybody went and hand-crafted two people and called them Man-- the final form that we are in... it happened naturally, as evolution says.

but i do think there were several draft versions. Hesiod's Works and Days describes 5 Ages-- some men made by Kronos, Zeus, and then Prometheus. i don't think one group of gods created EVERYBODY... it's more like, each god created their own similar group of humans in their own respective part of the land.

so like.. Ptah made a few guys and set them down in Egypt, Zeus allowed Deucalion and Pyrrha around Greek... Ask and Embla got set down by Odin in Scandinavia.

and when things like the Aztecs' end of the world happened (i mean, they go through it 5 times!!!!), then, yes, all "humanity" gets wiped out and everybody starts again.

how is it possible that several gods represent the same concept, e.g. Helios / Ra / Huitzilopochtli all being Sun gods?

because my idea is that the more gods there are, the more control and order there is, it actually becomes sorta essential that the concepts are represented by several different gods.

see, Helios, Ra, and Huitzilopochtli are ALL manifestations of the Sun and are intrinsically connected to it-- all of them can harness its power... BUT, let's say Helios dies, the Sun wouldn't die-- there's still Ra and Huitzilopochtli and a bunch of others representing the Sun, giving it power and existence.

but now let's say several gods die-- Helios, Ra, Huitzilopochtli, Sol, Amaterasu-- well, now the Sun's light would be much dimmer... and with enough death, perhaps the Sun's light would be entirely extinguished.

that's why a lot of myths hold the same idea that when their sun god dies, so will the world-- it's why Huitzilopochtli must have blood to help him fight the moon, and why Ra must always battle Apep-- if enough of them die, the world really will end.

would they all live in the same Heaven?

no. i think in a sense, the Firmament is the general term for the home of the gods.. all the gods. it's like a separate plane of existence. and similarly, the Underworld is one massive plane of existence for the dead, but is divided into separate worlds; Hades and Helheim and the Duat, etc.

so yeah, Yggdrasil exists in the Firmament, but only the Norse gods would live there.. but there would be ways to travel from it to Olympus (which i don't think actually exists at the top of Mt. Olympus, that mountain is just a portal to the separate Firmament plane).

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Do you think the gods will fight against each other just for fun like professional wrestling, given that there aren't many monsters or demigods to wrestle with these days?

Or at least some of them, like Greek and Norse Gods. Somehow I doubt the Hindu pantheon would at large be very interested

lol yeah probably. i’ve written some fight club hc’s previously for the war gods and i wrote stuff about them sparring and wrestling with each other .. so yes definitely. this is a hc of mine.

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I hc that the I place of acting "oh my god" as an expletive, they swear to the primordials; like the Olympians would say something like "Great Khaos!" and the Egyptians something like "What in the name of Atum is going on here?!"

As for whether the primordials can hear them say these things...

IDK but they certainly don't care about much of anything these days

i know you meant this just as a funny "haha" hc, but i am super excited about this because this ask is actually much more loaded than you might expect!!

the word profanity (like saying "oh my God" or "Jesus Christ") can obviously be derived from its adjective/verb form profane which is the act of being irreverent, or treating something sacred without the due respect (usually religiously motivated).

further, pretty much every culture everywhere has demonstrated the use of profane language although it isn't that well-documented since for a very long time in our history, and even really still today, profaning/swearing is not considered appropriate behaviour, so people generally didn't keep record of it.

now, down to the specific use of taking God's name in vain through the use of phrases like "oh my God", it probably developed from either; 1) people attempting to call to God, for example, when you see something shocking you might call to God for strength to cope with that shock, or 2) people trying to undermine the name which they take in vain (purposefully irreverent use). point #2 isn't really relevant to your hc but i just thought i'd list it anyways.

swearing is a term that we use interchangeably with profaning but in its original form, to swear is to make an oath. and i think this is STRONGLY related to point #1 about using God's name in exclamation as a way of calling upon God to witness what you witness.... and when you make an oath, you are promising to do something usually with someone to witness you and hold you accountable... this is more evident when people (well, not really young people) say "by God!". you call God to witness... you swear.

ok so what does that have to do with the ask? in today's society, the spread of Christianity means that pretty much all of us will first say "oh my God" and not really anything else-- how many people say "oh my Quetzalcoatl!"?? BUT.... just because that's the norm today, doesn't mean that it started with Christianity!!! in fact, the use of this type of swearing actually was observed during Ancient times amongst the Greeks and Romans themselves!!!

in this paper (pdf link), it's explained how important oath-making and swearing was to the Ancient Romans/Greeks, and how various gods' names would be invoked during oaths to hold themselves accountable for their promises (and threats). one of zeus' epithets was zeus horkios which means "Zeus of the Oath"-- so this highlights how central it was to Greek culture. ALSO, according to this paper (pdf link), invoking the names of gods was "not viewed by pagans as profane in the way "Jesus Christ!" can be for Christians," which actually gives rise to a lot more regular/diverse expletives. one example given in the same paper is the expression, "Hercules!". this is further recorded by Gellius (roman author, 125 ad - 180 ad), who gives examples of "by Hercules" and "by Castor" (read here). AND, of course, most of us would be familiar with the expression, "by Jove!", which has miraculously survived antiquity, and which ties in again to the calling of the gods via declaring their names to become witness to oaths. there are probably a lot more of these expressions present in plays and poems if you take the time to look.

ANYWAYS. my point is-- your hc is much more real than you might think, and so, i absolutely agree with it (as do many others!!). i have some of Meleager's brothers swear to Hades saying "what in Hades' name is going on?!" when they first see the Calydonian boar hee hee! but yeah. i think it really works :))

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