#hesina/navani

[trishyeves]

Soon I shall break free of the shackles that bind me and unleash more of the ships I crave onto the world without any remorse

[sorchasolas]

Rip Kaladin you would’ve loved the Air Force

Rip Navani you would’ve loved mechanical engineering

Rip Adolin you would’ve loved Hermès

Rip Gavilar you would’ve loved 48 Laws of Power

Rip Hesina you would’ve loved the 70’s

Rip (young) Dalinar you would’ve loved open bars at weddings

[knight--error]

Navani & Lirin conversation would be interesting, I think. Older parents of headstrong heroes. Both lost a son to war. Both think they should have prevented it. (Neither of them could have prevented it.)

[lamaery]

it is too warm...

[cosmerelists]

Kaladin asks: “Would you still love me if I was a cremling?”

“Would you still love me if I was a worm”  is a meme. But on Roshar, of course, they’d ask the question using cremlings, not worms. So let’s say that Kaladin asked his friends this very important question. How would they reply?

1. Adolin

Adolin: Sure, I don’t see why not!

Adolin: Can I give you a tiny, cremling-sized sword?

Adolin: It’d be pretty cute!

2. Renarin

Renarin: [considering]

Renarin: Yes, I believe so.

Renarin: So long as I knew it was you, I don’t see why my view of you would change.

Adolin: ...now I feel a little bad about my flippant cremling-sword answer.

Renarin: Nah, that would be cute.

3. Shallan

Shallan: Oooh, so you’d be a cremling with human intelligence?

Shallan: I could make you a shalebark habitat, and then have you describe the symbiotic relationship from the cremling perspective!

Shallan: Plus, you could tell me about what tastes good, whether you feel artistic...

Kaladin: I’m not sure I like the glint in your eye...

Shallan: I might love you more.

4. Moash

Moash: “Just a cremling” they’d say. “We can definitely kill him now.”

Moash: But no.

Moash: I know you’d still be unkillable.

Moash: You’d be the most overpowered radiant cremling ever.

Kaladin: Is that a yes, or...?

5. Teft

Teft: Of course, lad. 

Teft: Shouldn’t be too hard to find some way for me to become a cremling too.

Kaladin: Uh...you don’t need to be a cremling in this thought experiment.

Teft: I’m your lieutenant, aren’t I? 

6. Zahel

Zahel: No.

Zahel: Toss you out. Let nature take its course.

Kaladin: You, uh, know it’s still me, right? Just in cremling-shape?

Zahel: I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

7. Rlain

Rlain: Hmmm....yes.

Rlain: In fact, I think I would love you more.

Rlain: You’d finally have a shell!

8. Navani & Dalinar

Navani: Of course we would. I’ll even make you a little glyph board to crawl over to tell me all of your cremling thoughts.

Navani: Perhaps you could write the first book from the cremling perspective.

Navani: Men write now, so all bets are off.

Dalinar: But you are not allowed to call your book The Way of Cremlings. I will not allow it.

Navani: Dalinar, please! The man’s a cremling!

Kaladin: ...I feel like you guys might be making fun of me.

9. Lirin & Hesina

Hesina: You know I would, Kaladin.

Hesina: I’d give you a nice cremling habitat with a nice high rock for you to sit on.

Kaladin: Thanks, mom.

Lirin: At the very least, you’d take care of wounded cremlings, right?

Kaladin: D-Dad?!

Lirin: Gotta do something with your cremling life.

10. Lewshi

Lewshi: I would continue to respect you as a warrior.

Lewshi: However, I do not think we could duel anymore.

Kaladin: You don’t think?

Lewshi: Well, I know not to make assumptions when it comes to you.

11. Rock

Rock: ...

Rock: Tell me this. Are you the delicious type of cremling?

Kaladin: Y-You’d eat me?!

Rock: ...

Rock: Think of the fine stew!

Kaladin: NO

12. Syl

Syl: ...

Syl: ...

Syl: ...

Kaladin: Uh, are you okay, Syl?

Syl: (whispering) Tiny, glowing cremling with a sword!

Syl: S-So cute!

Adolin: That’s what I was saying!

Kaladin: ...

Kaladin: Why did I think this was a good idea?

[cam-ulu29]

yeah great point how is Hesina, mother of the year, going to react to Dalinar and Navani trying to poach her firstborn son?

[worldwithinworld]

Everyone in Kaladin’s family has a hobby but him. (Lirin: amateur stormwarden, Hesina: reading books; Tien: rock collecting, whittling; Oroden: toys; Syl: mischief) Kaladin, though, just has depression.

Tbh what stormlight characters are missing is hobbies. Like Shallan draws, and that’s like her whole thing. Closest thing Kaladin has to a hobby is surgery bc every time he gets something close to a hobby he makes it a full time job. Like i know he flies around but I wouldn’t call walking a hobby either. Letsssss see who else…. NAVANI Navani had a fabrial hobby and then it was her whole thing. Adolin is the only one with a real hobby (fashion) and MAybe Dalinar if you count reading and writing. And I don’t want to hear that they’re “busy” there are 24 hours in a day and Szeth can’t yo-yo for 30minutes?. Get real

[scienter]

Warning: Full Spoilers Below!

I appreciate Brandon's having the nerve to give Wind and Truth such a dark ending. It's not how he usually ends stories, but an ESB/ROTS outcome worked for this book. The villains had to win, and the heroes had to lose because the plot needed to justify five more books.

Although I'm sad that Dalinar is dead, it's the right ending for his character arc. I didn't want Dalinar to become a tool for evil and see him regress to a villain again. And while I wanted Dalinar to Ascend, I wouldn't want him to compromise his morality for the Shard because he'd have to regress to hold on to it.

I've wanted Kaladin to become a Herald since the start of the series. He's my favorite character so I (selfishly) wanted his journey to continue, and his being immortal ensures that. Also, I want Kaladin to overcome his greatest fear: that he'll survive while most everyone he loves will die. Now, it's no longer a fear - it's his reality (assuming El doesn't kill him with that blade).

Also, when I said Wind and Truth would have an ESB ending I meant tonally, which it was. But I noticed a few plot parallels between ESB and WAT:

Han encased in carbonite -> Navani encased in crystal

Luke loses his hand -> Adolin loses a leg, Szeth loses an arm, & Kaladin loses 2 fingers

Luke rejects Vader's offer to co-rule the galaxy -> Dalinar rejects Odium's offer to co-rule the cosmere.

Luke refuses to fight Vader after learning Vader is his father -> Dalinar refuses to fight Odium's champion after learning the champion is his grandnephew.

Luke & Leia are the Yoda & Obi-Wan's hope for the future -> Kaladin & the new Oathpact are Dalinar & the Wind's hope for the future

When I said WAT was going to be ESB I didn't mean it so literally. 😆

Anyway, I'm satisfied with WAT's ending. This may be recency bias, but WAT has my favorite Sanderlanche so far.

BTW - I feel so bad for Lirin and Hesina. This will be the SECOND time they'll grieve Kaladin's death. But I can't wait to see their reactions when Kaladin returns as a Herald. Lirin will be floored. (Please don't kill Lirin or Hesina before they reunite with Kaladin, Brandon!)

[isdalinarhot]

Has there ever been a cosmere character who actually liked their son/daughter in law. Kelsier hates Elend. Navani doesn’t like Aesudan and her reaction to jaswit is understandably “wtf”. Dalinar is not fond of Shallan. Hesina’s parents hate Lirin. Charlie’s parents would rather he get turned into a rat than get with Tress. I get this is a cultural trope but i just do not understand because my mom likes my brother’s girlfriend more than my brother likes my brother’s girlfriend

[cosmereplay]

Life goes trick-or-treating at Urithiru 🍬

Happy Hallowe'en! Here's Lift going trick or treating! Rated General.

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Dalinar stared at the empty crystal punch bowl beside the front door. "Didn't you have the servants put out the candy, Navani?" he called out.

"Yes, gemheart!" Navani called back from the bedroom. She was still putting the finishing touches on her Deadeye Spren costume.

Dalinar frowned, pulling at the tighter fit of his Preposterously Not To Code Uniform costume. He was sure he'd seen a full bowl earlier. This would take careful consideration. Perhaps he would ask the Sibling...

***

"Come on, Oroden, it's time to go!"

"Don' wanna!"

Oroden had been jumpscared four times today by various people in corrupted spren costumes. Kaladin had no idea where the fear had come from, but if he was going to take him out for his first trick or treat in Urithiru, he was going to have to do something to ease his brother's mind.

Luckily, Hesina knelt down, straightening his little brother's Syl costume. "Darling, lots of scary spren are going to be coming here tonight. That's why you and Kaladin have to go out. It'll be safer. We know how to defend ourselves against evil spren."

"Oh yeah? What's the secret?" Kaladin said as Oroden's eyes went wide.

"You give them candy," Hesina said knowingly. "If you give the evil spren candy, they'll go away." She gestured to the crem pottery bowl by the door. "See? We'll be perfectly...uh, where'd the candy go?"

Kaladin frowned. "I could've sworn I just saw it. There must be a thief." He knelt in front of Oroden. "If we're going to protect Mom and Dad, we have to go to the market and buy more candy. Will you come with me?"

Oroden sniffled, then straightened up, mirroring Kaladin's frown. "We gotta save them fwom the evoo spwen!" he said sternly. "We go."

"There's my boys," Hesina smiled. "Thanks Kal."

"I'll buy double, just to be sure," Kaladin reassured her.

***

Shallan sat by the front door, casually sketching as she waited for Adolin to put the finishing touches on his Sexy Shardblade costume. She had finished her own Sexy Shardbearer costume ages ago.

As it happened, she was sketching the special curnip-shaped Hallowe'en bowl Adolin had purchased specifically for the occasion. They'd be taking their candy to the local refugee shelter, along with a large donation. Then they'd be heading to Elhokar's Fabulous Hallowe'en Bash. After that, neither she nor Veil planned on remembering much.

I guess I'll be getting us home then, Radiant thought.

Wow, I can feel you rolling your eyes! How do you manage it? Veil thought.

Practice.

She took extra care to show she was paying attention to that curnip-shaped bowl at all times, much to the consternation of a certain teenager watching from a vent above.

"You know if you'd knocked on the door I'd've given you some candy," she whispered.

Incredibly, the girl heard her. "I don't wanna treat, I wanna trick, you stumer! Go to your stupid lighteyes party so I can steal your candy!"

"Well that'll be interesting, since I'll be taking the candy with me," Shallan said, putting the last details on the drawing.

Look! Veil cried out.

But it was too late. Between one blink and the next, the candy was gone.

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For my Halloween ask game

[shouldprobablybereading]

Worst things to potentially happen in sa5 according to me (I am in denial on some of them)

Kaladin dies ( I don’t even see how this would work thematically but also no brandon please don’t )

Baby champion, or any family members as champions. I have said it before and will say it again: dalinar NOT killing a child has never been the issue unless you are gavilar

Adolin bonds maya and becomes a regular radiant (this is objectively the most boring way to resolve this plot point, but also: there are way to many radiants in these books already. I almost quit when renarin and dalinar got their powers please do not take away the only one I have left)

Any wife killings, I’m not saying shallan/navani/hesina (are there more living wives?) cant die, I’m saying if so make it make sense with their arcs and preferably kill their husbands as well (I’m kidding but also not)

[knightsgaydiant]

I’m feeling this unhinged urge to just start shipping random members of the Kholin family with random members of the Stormblessed family. Like yeah, let’s ship Dalinar/Tien, let’s ship Navani/Hesina, let’s ship Renarin/Lirin, why not?

[cosmerelists]

Stormlight characters: Kill them with kindness?

[Stormlight spoilers! Through Rhythm of War]

Lirin: Kill them with kindness? Kill them with kindness??

Lirin: Help them with kindness! Save them with kindness! Be better with kindness!

Kaladin: Kill them with spear.

Skar: I was also gonna say spear.

Drehy: Can't go wrong with a spear, really.

Adolin: Bah! Kill them with a sword!

Adolin: Way more elegant and classy!

Shallan: Sword...poison...strangulation...

Shallan: It really depends on the situation.

Jasnah: I agree with my former ward.

Jasnah: Sometimes you can goad them into falling on their own sword.

Jasnah: But sometimes you just have to turn them into fire.

Raboniel: I prefer to use a mystic weapon forged by the smartest human I have ever met.

Navani: Awww!

Navani: Wait.

Sadeas: You are all so small-minded.

Sadeas: If you're going to kill someone--make it big, make it bold, make it a seemingly tragic but heroic death that you definitely can't be prosecuted for.

Dalinar: ...that didn't even work, though.

Sadeas: Well it WOULD HAVE, if not for those stupid BRIDGEMEN

Hesina: I feel like we are getting off track here.

Hesina: Killing people with kindness can be highly effective!

Wit: Ah, metaphorical killing--the only option left for some of us.

Rlain: Also it's, you know, good not to kill people.

Rlain: Sometimes you can befriend or unite people, rather than just going straight for wholesale slaughter.

Renarin: Kill them by...getting to know them?

Rlain: We'll, uh, workshop that but I like where you're going with it!

Szeth: Killing is not kind, though.

Taravangian: It can be. It can be a kindness to the world, if not to the victim. And sometimes that greater kindess is what matters.

Szeth: Ah. Like when I killed you?

Taravangian: ...not really my favorite example.

Taravangian: But yes. Because you "killed" me, the world has been changed for the better!

Wit: ...Were those quotation marks?

Taravangian: Don't worry about it. 🖤 

[cam-ulu29]

Nothing I hate more about the stormlight archive than when people go oh, that was actually kinda racist. Brando really missed the mark there. Like, no he didn’t. Your precious little meow meow IS racist. Your beloved babygirl IS very lovable and ALSO is intentionally racist to the point of cruelty. Several times. Yeah, I’m talking about Dalinar and Adolin

[sniffanimal]

addendums and additions: (still fairly. fairly spoiler free. you know how it is)

Shallan I'm settling on a Lyrebird. I think all the humans are going to be either birds or dogs (not gendered, its mostly kholins are dogs and non-kholins are birds? although navani and jasnah are birds bc navani isn't by blood. don't make me worldbuild my furry genetics) ANYWAYS. lyrebird, a bird good at copying things. also Liar-Bird. The pun can't be missed. And I just wanted a kind of unassuming bird for her!

Wit I've settled on a Crow. A Pied Crow, usually, although when he's being Wit he's all black.

Gavilar is an English Pointer, and so is Elhokar.

Gavinor is a dove, like his mother.

Tien is Beagle, like Hesina. Lirin is a Kestrel.

Lift is now a dachshund (silky long hair), i was tempted to make her a talking Chicken or a roadrunner but i really want her to be a dog :(

Lopen is some sort of mutt, like a wire hair dachshund/schnauzer.

Leshwi is a jumping spider

Sadeas is an english bulldog. or maybe a gawdawful fancy pigeon

Leizan the Pursuer is a Cicaida

maybe ill sketch some of these sometime.

anyways welcome to the marketplace of ideas. my mind palace. help me assign furries to the stormlight cast. let's assume all earthly creatures since it'll get a little repetitive if all we have to pick from are crab-adjacent. please offer suggestions for even ones I picked bc genuinely I'm settled on none of these

so far I've got: (no overt spoilers here, maybe extremely mild implied ones. I won't be able to promise replies are spoiler free)

shallan: cuttlefish, maybe a spider?

kaladin: bird of some type, thinking a peregrine falcon? I have to do more research on bird symbolism to pick a good one

adolin: horse I mean come on. maybe a dog (German shepherd/golden retriever mix??)

renarin: I'm of two minds on if all the kholins should be dogs. but if not then he's a kitty cat. a tortoiseshell long hair. if dog then a silky shepherd and just awful at Shep things

szeth: sheep of course. no other choice exists

wit: crow, or maybe whichever one I don't pick for shallan,

Jasnah: if dog, then borzoi or some other sighthound. if not, then maybe a secretary bird?

Dalinar: some masculine dog. gshep or doberman or something.

Evi: golden retriever

gavilar: staffy or Pitt, or whatever Dalinar is

Navani: if dog, then greyhound/iggy. if not, then maybe... idk I need help here. probably a bird, maybe an African grey?. her, Jasnah, and elhokar might escape the dog kholin curse

elhokar: I like him being a doggy tho. especially with how he feels about kaladin, maybe a hunting breed of some purport? to kind of go along with a Falcon

moash: extremely a falcon, especially a big raptory hunting one.

rlain: I am leaning towards something non-mammalian/avian for singers et al. Maybe use arthropods for them? Rlain can be a beetle, and different types for different forms.

Raboniel: scorpion

venli: firefly

lopen: ferret/weasel

Sylphrena: bluejay

pattern: some sort of branching coral or slime mold. something esoteric

lift: goat

sadeas: really fluffy and round Persian cat