#he's not kdj or cale

[yellowocaballero]

So fucking glad to see someone talk about SSS Class revival hunter 😭 I lived it so much and I feel like no one ever mentions it against more popular titles like ORV or even The Lout of the counts family, so I'm so glad to come here and see your amazing takes :>

Thank you for the ask which lets me talk about SSSCRH (the version I read was titled 'Suicide Hunter', which tbh I like more - no beating around the bush).

It's hard to draw an accurate comparison since I'm going off just the webtoon for SSSCRH, while I'm going off both the webtoon and the webnovel for ORV. And I love ORV, ORV is my media blorbo right now, it hydraulic presses my brain, I am writing ORV fanfic - it's, like, funner to enjoy. But SSSRH is just better. In the vast majority of ways it is is better. It's better than the holy trinity by a wide margin. TW talk of suicide obviously.

I can't believe I'm saying this but you need a basic understanding of Buddhism in order to understand SSSCRH. It's not about Gongja's suicides - he doesn't suicide from depression or lack of self-esteem. SSSCRH is about suffering in the Buddhist sense - dukkha. I don't want to make this an essay, so I might reblog this with more information, but extremely shortly:

The Four Noble Truths of Buddhism is the truth of suffering, the truth of the cause of suffering, the truth of the end of suffering, and the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering. You've heard that Buddhists say 'life is suffering'. To put it one way that doesn't require defining a lot of words: the cause of suffering is experiencing the world as we percieve it instead of how it truly is. Suffering isn't just being miserable and in pain, and life isn't suffering because life sucks and global warming exists and people voted for Trump. Life is suffering because we can experience beautiful and joyful moments in this world, but we do not exist in the moment of that happiness or place our ego/'self' between us and that happiness. Living in that moment, accepting the moment as it is unconditionally, is freedom from suffering. The Buddha tries to free people from suffering through teaching Buddhism.

"What does this have to do with the webnovel and manwha about a guy murdering himself thousands of times" it has everything to do with it. Because SSSCRH is about suffering, and it is about using suffering as a tool in order to experience a world unfiltered by ego and break down the artificial boundaries between human beings. Suffering in SSSCRH is not a bad thing. Gongja has the unique capability to (reincarnate.) experience a person's suffering in unity with them, which dissolves the delusion of separation between people and puts us in touch with the reality of oneness.

The Murim arc was fucking insane because Gongja pulls a Big Bodhisattva Move and walks through the suffering of the world in order to achieve full understanding of the human experience. He takes all of the suffering of the world into himself and is liberated. You can tell it's Buddhist because death was not presented as a bad thing - death was an aspect of a happy ending for the Heavenly Demon lady, because she was finishing her life according to her own joy, and because her teachings were passed on she did not truly die.

But the purpose of embracing suffering is to discover the ability to fully embrace life, and that's where Heavenly Demon's teachings were incomplete - as the ghost dude said, Gongja hasn't even experienced his own full life and the infinite capability for his own happiness. You can only feel the depths of sadness when you've felt the depths of happiness. Sadness deserves its place in the world and it can strengthen you, but so does happiness.

Gongja is attention-seeking, envious, and unbelievably petty. When he drills down into his own desires and why he wants the things he wants, you see that he has a very strong sense of justice and right and wrong - he realizes he doesn't want to be famous, he wants to be acknowledged, but on an even deeper level he is desperate for love and to be loved. Everything he does is to experience love, and as such he learns to love others. His love for the Flamey Asshole was purely parasocial and ego-filled, with no concern for who he was as a human. Throughout the manwha, he grows to care for people as they truly are and pierce through any delusions or misleading outward appearances. He has released all attachment to life and death, and as such does not fear death, and as such has taken a step on the road towards becoming a Boddhisatva who frees others from the cycle of samsara, and as a result has learned sick sword techniques and is sooo good at beating people up.

I think the only other thing I want to mention here because otherwise this is an essay: in almost every time loop/regression story, only the final regression matters. In stories with dungeon monsters and NPCs, only the humans matter. The regressor exists in a space where there are no consequences for their actions, so they act terribly and do whatever because none of it matters. In Groundhog Day Bill Murray acts like an asshole because he can. That's not the case here. Everything Gongja does matters. The NPCs are fake, but Gongja never treats them as anything less than real people who deserve life. Once he understands a person's life he never treats them as unimportant. No loop is thrown away and no person or life is disregarded. His choices matter, the way he treats others matters, and Gongja never treats anybody as if they don't matter except for himself.

That was not short. There is a lot more. The female characters are so good and so rich. From a craft perspective it is excellently paced and has a wonderful sense of set-up/payoff and balances tone and maintains a lot of momentum, which is really hard in a time loop story. You have to do a few very specific things to write OP characters well and SSSCRH does it very well. There's more to say from a craft perspective and it's hard to judge accurately from a webtoon but it's good. I was so strangely struck the entire time about how sincere and genuine it was, how it said what it said with no trace of irony of confusion, and I think that's what stuck with me the most.

TL;DR: SSS Class Revival Hunter is good for a lot of very normal reasons, such as excellent pacing and set-up/pay off and characters, but it's also so sincerely and genuinely Buddhist that it blew my tits clean off.

[fallen6253]

The Stars Have Fallen to Earth, Can You Imagine That?

Tanned skin.  White hair.  Dark eyes. Their gaze moves slow, steady, makes its way to the window of a subway car.  In the brief moment it passes by, a small head with black hair peeks through. 

There was no eye contact.  But they knew the other was there. On some subconscious level, as if their very essence were attuned to one another.  

A rumble.  The car trembles.  Then it shakes.  Suddenly it's been thrown off the course of eternity and into a place of being known.

The subway crashes into solid ground.

A dreaming boy wakes up.

Miles away, a priestess known for denying god staggered in her footsteps.  Another migraine.  Another message.

Accompanied, for the first time, by an earthquake.

Huh. New.

The priestess picks up a pen and paper and rushes to a place hidden in darkness.  

A young man, hair and eyes as dim as night alight with stars, is waiting for her at the door to a beautiful home.  He walks her to a sitting room, tables set to the tone of a business meeting as if that was what this was.

Business as usual.

Of course.  It is.

He has a message about this world’s newest arrival.  And…a request.

She says this looking towards a man known for his wit and wile.  Brown eyes saturated to a dulcet red.  Blood red hair.  Clothes fitting and comfortable.  

He was on vacation.

Was.

The note warned first and foremost that nobody would hear from the god for a while.  Apparently bringing stars down from the sky costs quite a bit.  Well, that was what the note said, but the one reading it did not know its meaning yet.

The note then told them that the epicenter of that earthquake was near his home, and the damage to the forest should not be too drastic, since the cause was made of stardust and dream remnants and memories far too old to recall anymore.  It should fade with time, as all memories do.  By then it will return to creation and merge with the forest.  Again, the reader did not know what that meant.  He could only guess some things.

But the last lines caught his attention.�� For two reasons.

The first being the mention of a child.  Far too young and far too ancient for all that it has seen.  The second reason being that this god made a request.  Not some mission with a reward.  Not some threat or warning with a clue as to how these mortals would react.  A genuine request he could choose to ignore completely without consequence since the god was indisposed. A sincere gesture for help that does not involve favors or world-blaming calamities.  

This being known for death asked a single mortal to save a helpless existence.

And for once the person reading it did not think about rejecting it at all.

He could be annoyed about it, something crashlanding into his forest, but…

There’s a kid that needs help first, we can yell at god for throwing him here later.

Do you think the plotting protagonist kept a library with stories of others like him?  Of dying worlds and forgotten names and tired heroes who made too many mistakes?

Edited, bc I have had a title for it and I just didn't change the post for some reason.

[caleism-1]

To change the future is simple

All You need is someone who is willing to make a Different Choice. Someone who is willing to throw a middle finger at Fate itself.

[oseike]

Hi I promise I'm not dead, I just got sucked into reading Trash of the Count's Family and it's also very long

I'm up to chapter 624 though so I'm working at a good pace

[weirdsht]

I really love characters with the tendency to bleed and be some human sacrifice. Tysm kdj and krs. 😭 i have a new idea altho I'm not sure if somebody's already done this. Cale and the group with someone who coughs out blood everytime they spill spoilers from the tcf novel? Like she's been transmigrated/reincarnated (whatev you desire (⁠^⁠^⁠). Bro is trying to help so bad bc they hate war so they do it subtly and carefully (imagine having to be careful with your wording, I can't even--) but can't help but shit out blood sometimes or most of the time cos they forget and get frustrated

Forgive me for i love miserable characters...

Hardbound (Paperback pt. 2) - Cale x Reader

notes: I decided to link it to another oneshot I did before because I think it fits. I hope that's okay!

tags: blood, like the whole fic is blood, heavy cursing, Cale might be ooc, NOVEL SPOILERS (near the end of book 1)

English isn’t my first language so there will be grammatical errors

Pls don't repost my work anywhere without my permission

Constructive criticisms and any kind of interaction are more than welcome

Requests are open and welcome

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Crimson, the colour of Cale’s hair.

That was the colour Cale can see right now. However, he is not looking at his hair.

“Ugh!”

Instead, he was looking at the blood dripping from your mouth.

“Stop speaking. This is not good for you.”

“Why not? You cough up blood all the time. Why can’t I do the same?”

You joked lightly but Cale didn’t like how weak your voice sounded. Indeed, he always coughs up blood. Especially whenever he overuses his ancient powers. But the blood he coughs up is dark red. Dead blood from his regeneration powers cleansing his body.

Not the vibrant crimson blood dripping from your chin. Blood from a beating heart, a sign of vitality as Eruhaben would say.

“I need to continue, you need to know about this. We must hurry up so just- ugh… so just listen.”

When you told Cale you were going to pull a “World Tree-nim and a Cale combo”, he didn’t know what he expected. 

It certainly wasn’t you trying to give out spoilers from your beloved book and coughing out copious amounts of blood.

“There will be monsters. Ones too hard to– Ugh! Fuck! I’m sure you understand what I mean.”

Drip

“That’s two out of five. Those things will be in a pit. It��ll look like statues, you will also see… you will also see an altar there…”

Drip

Drip

“You don’t need to speak anymore. Please, the rest of us will figure it out.”

“No, no. I’m fine really… Bear bastard, you know who it is, hostages. He’ll– Ugh!”

Drip. Drip. Drip

“It’s Tasha’s people. For a summoning– Fuck that one really hurts! I'm trying to speak as vaguely as possible already, what the hell…”

“Please… I’m going to tape your mouth shut if you don’t shut up.”

Drip

Drip

Drip. Drip. Drip

“I’d like to see you try. The tape won’t stick with all– with all this blood.”

“Haaa”

“Enough jokes. The fourth and fifth ones are connected. In Endable, watch out for bears and black– watch out for black mages. And avoid– Shit! Avoid using instant. But I'm not sure if it's… if it's possible… I need to speak… to speak to Raon. The last spoiler is for him– ugh..!”

Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip.

Cale wanted to refuse. He wanted this to end.

At first, it was just from your mouth.

The blood that is.

Then it started dripping from your left eye. Naturally, your right eye was next.

Then your nose. Then your ears.

Before the commander knew it, your entire face was covered with blood. He tried to wipe it, but they were dripping so quickly that it did nothing.

Cale doesn’t know how are you still conscious. He isn’t even sure if you’re still breathing. That was why he wanted you to shut up. That was why he desperately wanted this to stop.

But it can’t

Cale can’t refuse nor can he end this.

It was because you already made up your mind. And since you did, there’s no stopping you now.

So he gets Raon. Warned the toddler that the sight inside the room would not be pretty, but he must listen. Because their futures are resting upon the words you are about to say.

Upon the words written in your beloved book.

“Human…”

“I know… If you can’t listen I’ll listen for you and rely on the message.”

“No… I’m great and mighty. Because I’m great and mighty I shall listen to this conversation myself.”

Raon flew over to where you were. Placing himself on your lap as he uses his stubby paws to hug you.

“Ah, it feels comforting to have such a great and mighty being comforting me. But you’ll get blood on you– Ugh..!”

Drip. Drip.

The black dragon didn’t care about the blood. He just hugged you tighter at the sound of you coughing up more blood.

“Raon Miru-nim remember this well. Things might get messy and despite my meddling things might still go awry. So I’m telling you right now. In Endable, Cale might become incapacitated to fight– Fuck! Ugh, I promised to not curse in front of you…”

Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip.

Drip…

Drip..

“It will be hard, you will need to do everything yourself, without Cale. In fact, you will have to do his job– ugh… but you must do well. Remember, the first thing you have to do is have Mila-nim on standby. She can heal him.”

Cough

Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip

“I want to say more… but I’m reaching my limit…”

Raon tightened his hug and you weakly reciprocated it. You aren't sure if the wetness you feel in your shirt is from your blood or the dragon’s silent tears. Nonetheless, you still tried to hug Raon tighter.

In the meanwhile, Cale was already calling for servants and healers to attend to you as soon as you admitted your limit. His voice was laced with unusual panic. It made the others who didn’t know what was happening move with urgency.

“Raon-nim…”

“Yes?”

“You are strong, smart, great and mighty, always remember that.”

You weakly stroked Raon’s back, trying to comfort him in advance for the things about to come.

“Young master what’s going on–”

Beacrox and Ron stopped in their tracks when they saw the condition you were in.

“Ahahaha, you guys are right on time. I think… I’m going.. To…”

You couldn’t even finish your sentence for you already fell unconscious. Your body dangerously swaying to fall off from your sitting position on the couch. Luckily, Cale was nearby and managed to catch your falling body.

Cale glanced at you, then he glanced at the open book on the table.

As usual, he couldn’t see what was written on the pages. He could only see the cover title at the front and the synopsis at the back.

But that doesn’t stop him from hating that damned book that put you in this state.

If only you haven’t read that book before coming here.

If only there wasn’t a restriction placed on you by that damned book.

If only…

“Fuck, after this war is done I’m going to try and burn that shitty book one way or another. I don’t care anymore if it’s your favourite.”

note: in case it wasn't clear, the placement of the drips signifies how fast the reader's blood was gushing out

[idontknowmyownmind]

LCF/TBOAH x ORV AU idea:

After Cale Henituse made a deal with God of Death, there are some mistakes accidently made. Rather than transmigrate into Kim Rok Soo's body, he got reincarnated as Kim Dokja. He doesn't transmigrated into Kim Dokja's body but reincarnated as him. So he IS Kim Dokja since the beginning.

And with this AU, I really want to watch a gacha reaction video or a reaction fanfiction where it's either TBoAH or ToTCF react to ORV, spesifically react to ogCale as Kim Dokja. And ogCale here is the him who life for 40+ years and not the teenager him.

Just imagine him having life through war for 20 years, got reincarnated and suffer almost all his life in his second life, and then got thrown into an apocalypse that worse than the supposed apocalypse he would faced if he transmigrated into KRS's body, and all the things KDJ did for his companions.

[simpshaaaa]

Hehe

I find it funny how fantasy au Cale, he is a supreme commander leading to few successful and victorious battles,, but in modern au he is an otaku HAHAHAAA

We should really do a crossover with pro-gamer Yoo Joonghyuk meeting otaku Cale in a cybercafe or something similar

Open world rpg game au

Where yjh working hard in the dungeon to get the rare items from the boss, only to be stolen by someone else (Cale TEHEHE)

Since then, whenever a player with username @/ slacker811 comes near him, he'll start chasing and attacking him

Cale who has forgotten the whole accident, always perplexed when the username @/ supremeking chased and tried to kill him

The thing is, he mistook yjh as Cale Barrow (username @/ supremelord,,, CB has two acc, @/ whitestar which got banned after trying to form a cult,, so he made another one, @/ supremelord after trying supremeking but is already taken lmao)

Cale has poor eyesight, so yeah. No comment, I can't defend this mf ass

Then kdj (username @/ kimdokja LMAO) befriended Cale and then invited him to play together with his gang at his place

Then he met yjh

Yjh then attacked cale,, cue to them wrestling on the floor with Cale trying to pull yjh off of him and yjh trying to choke Cale but, Cale keeps dodging his hands and pulling his hoodie that it made him more pissed off than he's already is lmao

Dw the gang and with the help of Choi Han, they're finally able to separate yjh from Cale

Cale is still confused and shaken up why this buff 23 years old man has a beef with him since they've never met irl before this

Yjh still vividly remember the pain he had to go through and glares Cale across the room and Choi Han glares back

Aight imma make a uhhhhhhhhhhh shipart about them now hahaha

[web-novel-polls]

Aroace-spec Character Tournament Losers' Bracket

[Please vote for who you believe has the most canon evidence to be aroace-spec, not the most popular. "Anti-Propaganda" that attacks other characters is NOT allowed. Please only give reasons to vote FOR a character.]

Propaganda underneath the cut

Kim Dokja from Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint

Submission 1: demiromantic graysexual, romance/sex indifferent

bc yoohankim is the most qpr qpr to ever qpr

Submission 2: demiromantic graysexual

yoohankim is soo queerplatonic it makes my chest hurt. and ysa and kdj are THE qpr ever. also i read the submissions list and my jaw deadass dropped when i saw that someone else had the exact same kdj hcs as me like asjdnghfdhdbn!ksnk#**#*@*

Cale Henituse from Lout of the Count’s Family

Submission: Aroace

Not a speck of romantic interest in this man. The only thing he wants to do in bed is sleep

Mod Propaganda

Listen, if your motivation for over 900 chapters is loosely tied to building your ideal life (“the slacker life”), and you don’t even mention wanting to settle down with a romantic partner or have sex or whatever, sorry, but you’re aroace. You cannot escape it. /joking

Additional Note: Although the official title of this novel is "Lout of the Count's Family," it's also known as "Trash of the Count's Family," which will not be used for the tournament. It is an action story with no known romance plot involving the main character.

[etrevil]

Do you mind if I ask your top 10 favorite characters (can be male or female) from all of the media that you loved (can be anime/manga, books, movies or tv series)? And why do you love them? Sorry if you've answered this question before.....Thanks....

So sorry for the late answer!

1. Athanasia de Alger Obelia (Who Made Me A Princess)

First hyperfixation, the manhwa I saw from start to finish. Art is just absolutely beautiful and I've been attached from the very start. Her character arc surrounding her father, Claude, had me clutching my pearls and sobbing my eyes out.

2. Dazai Osamu (Bungou Stray Dogs)

Strongest hyperfixation on the series yet. There's a certain feel I get whenever I see or read content about him. Do I relate to him? Concerningly. But it's the sort of connectedness I feel when reading what Odasaku thinks of Dazai and me agreeing and being called out half of the time lol. Lastly, he's just so pretty.

3. Chuuya Nakahara (Bungou Stray Dogs)

This man's backstory has me in a chokehold. He's gone through so much shit but, compared to other characters, he remains a "good" man. Such a complex character I can't get enough of tbh. Asagiri really paired the donut man and one of the most beautiful written characters together and I love it/pos. Lastly, also very pretty. Imagining him together with Dazai, whether platonic or romantic, is also a treat.

4. Wilbur Soot (dsmp, qsmp, general yt)

His content just, helped me get through quarantine. Also his songs are just bangers, and Lovejoy is one of my top favorite bands next to The Neighborhood.

5. Kim Dokja (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)

One of the first Korean novels I've ever read and finished. He is just such a well-done character, and ORV as a story in general should become a literary classic (in my humble opinion). The way he seeks comfort in a story and is willing to stay until its very end, I relate to that so much, and I just feel for this tragedy-surrounded man. I wish only the best for him and his company.

6. Cale Henituse (Trash of the Count's Family)

I remember reading the novel in its early stages and waking up for school, to then eat cereal and slowly finish reading what's been published in the dim light. Haven't touched the second book yet, but the first book was just, woah. Amazing. Rollercoaster ride. Our young lord really should start looking out for his health more, everyone's so worried.

7. Han Sooyoung (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)

Her story arc of being an antagonist, to the third member of their trio, and [spoiler], was an absolute blast. Her character was written with such a personality she touched my heart with her spunk and gentle care towards her friends. What she's done for KDJ is absolutely what tore my heart out. She deserves so much. They all do. Speaks even more to me since I'm a writer. Love her with all my heart <3.

8. Achilles (Greek Mythos, the Song of Achilles)

He amuses me. His rage, his reactions, the slaughter he made across the battlefield, and the way he eventually died. The fact we have historical evidence from a vase that people back then saw him rolled up into a blanket burrito during his sulking period. That he sent out one of his "closest" men in his own armory and grew enraged (understatement) when he returned as a corpse. I just, love him. Words cannot explain how I hold him, and Patroclus, to a high regard in my heart.

9. Tallulah (qsmp)

Best egg child to ever exist. Second is Chayanne. The admin for this character just stole us from the very start. Deserves a thousand bamboo flutes.

10. Ayna and Ranonthean (Secret Lady)

Might be considered cheating but these two are a couple and the toxicity cannot exist without the other. The slow unfurling of how their love story that led to the actual FL and ML's current predicament (read the story it's so good) absolutely rocked my shit. Like, omfg their children. Her family. Fate itself. I wanna sock Fate in the face. They're in love, but their love cannot thrive in a place like that. At least not for long. And it shows; the chapter this image is from, side story 11, has me by the throat. Banana-nim's art just makes everything better. They're relatively good for each other, but because of the situations forced on them, shit happens. Doomed by the narrative indeed.

Special manhwa couple mentions:

Angela and Rayburn, "I Stan the Prince"

Penelope and Callisto, "Death is The Only Ending for the Villainess"

Ines and Carcel, "This Marriage was Bound to Fail Anyway"

Shuri and Nora, "Stepmother's Marchen"

Eris and Anakin, "Kill The Villainess"

Raeliana and Noah, "Why Raeliana Ended Up at the Duke's Manor"

[space-girlllll]

This one is an AU where Kim Dokja was Kim rok soo’s older cousin- In this AU after krs’s parents died he was put with his uncle- kdj’s sh*tty dad- and stayed with them for a few years. Kdj and krs’ age gap is like 7 years or so. Krs and Lee sookyung are close and krs sees kdj and her as his own mother and older brother.

When krs was around 8, kdj’s dad came back drunk and ordered him to grab him a beer, when he came back he saw kdj stab his dad and kind of stepped back in horror (he’s 8) and just watched silently, and he saw the whole thing, after lsk convinced kdj that she was the one who killed the guy he kind of came out from behind the wall and pretended that  she was the one who killed him. 

When the police came he played along with lsk’s story and tried to calm kdj.  After that, they had the funeral and krs was sent off to the orphanage because he wasn’t related to kdj’s relatives (I’m not sure how this AUs family tree is).

For the whole apocalypse bit, maybe most of Korea was stuck in the scenarios while the rest was stuck with the monsters from lout of the counts family. Maybe the constellations were watching the outside part of Korea but the star stream was testing something about how popular it would be, it was quite popular among cheap constellations who because they can’t give coins even if they wanted too.

Maybe krs knew that kdj was in the closed of part of Korea that nobody could get into no matter what they tried and gave up on finding him, sure he was dead and he would never see his hyung again.

Maybe KimCom ended the scenarios when the rest of Korea has kind of calmed down, after the transmigration and krs/og!cale met lsk in the hospital and she brought her to where kdj was lying in a coma and he didn’t understand at all. The three of them were finally reunited but one of them wasn’t him. 

[yisanged]

8 10 orvie

HII ELISEYY my friend. thank you for the ask! and sorry it took so long the sleepies and school and etc. I HOPE COLLEGE IS GOING WELL FOR YOU BTW!!!!!!!

this got so long sorry you know how it is with novels. but hey before i read more the rest of this guys if anyone else wants to send me hater asks you still can... i only got one 🥲 does nobody else want to send asks to their friend nico? i've actually been so dead lately guys that is on me. but i still love you all.......

anyways um 8 is "common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about" and 10 is "worst part of fanon" pretty similar really going for the haterisms here okok. hmmm i honestly don't even interact with the orv fandom that much like most of the orv posts that aren't just art that i see are mine and my few orvie mutuals' which i usually respect i don't see a lot of posts from outside of this orv echo chamber i've created for myself which i'm ok with tbh. but something i see a lot that i don't like is the depiction of kdj as a scammer type like the breed same as cale tcf and others? i haven't read regression instruction manual but like he's a common comparison and such. and it's true that they're all from the similar mold of like "isekai/fantasay coming to real life but i have an upper hand because i read the book it came from nyeheh" and in that specific aspect yeah kdj has his moments where he takes advantage of his knowledge but it seems like some people attribute him being a liar an unreliable narrator etc to that part of the story also and i don't totally agree with that. he's not an unreliable narrator because he's trying to be sneaky and smart the dude is depressed. he's been so depressed since he was like 13 and he's a grown ass man now it's totally changed his outlook and makes him unable to see the world and his interactions with others properly for what it is. he didn't lie to our faces about smiling when he was actually crying because he was trying to be smart and sneaky it was cause he's sad as fuck and can't even recognize it because he's lowkey wanted to kill himself since middle school. i do agree that cale is similar in that he downplays how insane he is almost dying all the time and getting hurt forever but not caring and driving all his friends up the wall with it without even realizing and like he's also depressed as fuck but when people group them together for being self sacrificing bastard scammers or whatever i just feel like it's different a lot of the time. we aren't seeing the same thing there.

i guess that's my soapbox for 8 umm for 10. the way yoo sangah gets pushed aside so often peeves me for sure. she's so everything where did you put her....? and the kids too the kids are so important to me and to kdj but they're never given justice i feel. honestly i think all of kimcom doesn't get enough love most of the time or maybe i've just been bad at finding content that actually does them well it just feels like there's so much joongdok yaoi and not enough friendship and mentorship and everything. jihye and joongdok are so everything but i never see the two of them together ever. heewon and hyunsung also. even if you're not the biggest fan of them romantically like i respect the lesbian heewon grind don't you care that they're the sword and shield.......? and of coures sys and yjh have a lot of interesting potential but no one ever does anything with it. and there's never enough lee gilyoung anywhere i love you gilyoung. yes that's my fanon complaint. too much yaoi focus... there's so much love everywhere it's a main theme but the story ain't a romance there's so much more out there. take my hand we can discover friendship together

[caleism-1]

*Kdj and Yjh are both drunk*

Cale: I’ve always knew the squid was a light weight, but I didn’t know it was the same for the sunfish bastard too…

Yujin: To be far… The sunfish did drink 4 whole bottles of alcohol.

Cale: *nods* True

Kim Dokja: *holding Yjh tight while crying* NO WAIT YOO JOONGHYUK PLEASE DON'T REGRESS (Hic) I WORKED SO HARD FOR THIS SO PLEASE!!

C & Y: … ‘Should we stop him?’

Yjh: ‘This fool looks ugly when crying…’

C & Y: *sees Yjh slowly leaning in to kiss kdj* ‘Wait…-’

Yujin: ‘-is he about to’

Cale: ‘-What is he doing? Is he actually going to…’

*Yjh suddenly kisses kdj and kdj makes a shocked Pikachu eye look*

C & Y: ….(ㅇ-ㅇ)

Yujin: Hey Cale, do you have-

Cale: Of course I do, and you? *takes phone out*

Yujin: Mhm… *Also takes phone out*

C & Y: *Silently takes pictures for blackmail(?)*

Based off of this pic

[godza]

i cld change my layout but ahyeon.... who could i ever replace him with. oh maybce tcf since ive been thinking abt cale so much OH this morning i had a silly idea that made me smile weirdly in public. all my fave webnovel protags have to do a musical number, a la kpop. moondae is the blueprint so hed do fine. kdj would try any way to get out of it but if there was a good reward hed halfass it. cale wld be mortified but would do it if his kids wanted him to. kgj is a tossup i think he wld bc he did techinically invent dancing. oh and hyj... hed do it. hed complain that hes an old man but hed do it for the bit. with a reward of course. if all 5 of these ssbs met up there wld be disaster and an alliance would be formed with every single one thinking in their heads im surrounded by freaks

[mintpurrfect]

To that anon who sent me a message I'm sorry for your experience and for reminding you of it. I don't really know if you'd be okay with your message posted (since you sent it as anonymous and I think it was quite personal too) so I opt for this.

Okay so, I, once again, am sorry for your experience with the other fandom. I honestly understand where you're coming from, I, personally, have dropped tcf a couple of times (and some of those times were because of the ongoing bias towards it in terms of crossovers with orv) so I get why you're feeling that way. I'm actually pretty salty about how most of the fanfics just disregards the important points from orv and (in my opinion) things that make it special.

Also, to the anon who sent me the message, if you're reading this, I'm very sorry if I have misunderstood something. My reading comprehension sucks along with my English skills and the ability to understand anything.

I honestly haven't read some fanfics where the author states that they haven't read or fully (or at least until they're more than 100+ chapters in) read orv yet before they started writing (or maybe I've just forgotten) but hearing about your experience makes me upset too. I agree that the writer must at least understand both stories before making a story. Don't get me wrong, people can have fun with writing things and enjoy it but fanfics with clearly not a good/not much understanding for one (or even both) of the source material isn't really appealing. It just ruins the reading experience imo.

I won't shame anyone who hasn't finished reading the novels since I, myself, haven't finished tcf (I'm still around chap 490+). All I'm saying is consider both worlds. I certainly agree with what anon said about how there should be a reason for the tcf cast to be sent to orv and that at least one main character from orv has read tcf too and knows where they're from since, as anon said, (spoilers for orv in red, so whoever's reading can skip)

The reason why the story of orv even occurred was because of the most ancient dream, which is revealed to be kdj as a kid, dreams about the story as a way to escape reality (where he's abused and constantly being bullied).

So it wouldn't make any sense for tcf to suddenly get brought to orv without mad knowing who they are or unless one of the characters knows them, for cale or even choi han to have not read orv, or maybe even tcf being in wos.

I just wish they'd show as much love to orv the same way they show love for tcf:( it's upsetting how a lot of these fanfics tend to just shove orv away and shine light to tcf. I mean come on, there's a way for them to include tcf without pushing aside orv. It's obvious how they favour one over the other.

As for this:

Based on what I've read and what I can remember, cale is smart yet mostly emotionally unintelligent. He knows what emotions are but he may not be able to fully gouge out what another person is thinking (unless it's kinda obvious maybe). But I do think if he sees Dokja and the way he copes, he may be able to recognise it but not fully? Though don't hold my word for that.

As for the "more leeway to connect with the people around him" part, well, he certainly can, but there's this thing about cale where he just keeps things to himself a lot and leaves out the crucial information whenever he tells others something. It's just like how his plans mostly involve him being in danger and people not knowing about his vitality of the heart. I guess it also developed in his previous life since based on the spoilers I've seen, he also acts like that with his 'co-workers' in korea.

Anyway, lastly, I'd like to thank you, anon, for giving me those ideas for stories. I may end up not using them unfortunately. It's been more than a year since I've last read orv and I also just picked up tcf after months of not reading it so around 49/51 of the information about these novels have been washed away from my mind. But, if I ever get the chance to re-read them both, I may start doing a crossover where orv isn't always pushed aside.

!!Rant ahead!! (so sorry for not putting this in earlier. I was taken by my emotions and it didn't cross my mind that others could get affected too)

Note: this is a rant about orv & tcf crossovers

Okay so I've gotten back to my tcf and orv phase and why does the crossover fanfics always revolve around cale? Don't get me wrong, I love him and all but why do most orv x tcf fics always make him so op and then make kdj and co. seem too weak compared to him (and the rest of the tcf cast). It's annoying how biased they are... Like come on, focus on Dokja too please. I can't even find a single react fic where the characters would react to orv, it's always about tcf.

[idontknowmyownmind]

TBOAH Crossover

× ORV

OG!Cale, 40y.o, is transmigrated into earth as his 18y.o self

KDJ and KRS world is the same

2 or 3 years gap between Dokja (older) and Rok Soo (younger)

Cale first met Dokja when he was 7 at the park he frequently visit

They bond over Cale reading a book to Dokja or lend him a book to read beside him

Before the event Dokja killed his dad, his mom asked Cale for a help to take care of Dokja

Idk, the one who kill the dad is the mom while the son is with Cale at that time

Somehow the mom manage to prepared everything so Cale taking in Dokja

Cale doesn't even know about it

Since then, Cale has been taking care of Dokja and give him all the loves he deserves 🥰

Met Rok Soo when he was 6

Rok Soo secretly also hearing Cale reading for Dokja

Cale know but let him be

Until one day he called him over and now their group consist of three people

Rok Soo never starve for to long because Cale make sure he ate as much as he want

He took in Rok Soo first, somewhat make it happen after threatening the bastard uncle

Yes, it's older brother Dokja and younger brother Rok Soo 🥺 Kim brothers

They are not that mess up in the head because Cale make sure they got all the thing they want and deserves, from loves, attention, affection, anything

They are happier and have a more healthy mindset, even though there are some parts that still mess up due to being exposed to trauma at early ages

Apocalypse still happens

They were not together at that time, Dokja in the subway and Rok Soo somewhere else

They met at the 5 or 7 scenario or something

[Oh My God, now they have two sacrifical idiots!!]

I WILL NOT OFF LSY OR CJS, they are alive until the end 😊

Idk why but I want Cale to dissapear or so suddenly become a constellation at the beginning of apocalypse

I'm tired of the angst!! Both babies deserves all the love in the world 😭

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× Bungou Stray Dogs

Rok Soo transmigrated in his 20y.o body instead of inside Cale's

A week before Harris village massacre (it still happen)

Hmm... should I make Rok Soo as transmigrator + regressor from LCF too?

Regressor Choi Han and Alver from LCF

Met Choi Han earlier

When Cale 15, he started to hear voices inside his head, 2 voices

It's Dazai and Fyodor lol

My poor baby... having those two mentaly unstable devils when he is unstable himself..

The voices kinda influence him and they can take over his body sometimes

Imagine Cale with those two personalities 😭

Cale as Fyodor will have more connection upperground while Cale as Dazai will be more tune with underground

With those two guidance, Cale will be unstoppable lol

Imagine on both side while you just do your thing without care as long as your family are safe

Since it's Dazai, Cale will form a habit of wearing bandages and something about suicide

And sincw it's Fyodor... world domination at the finest

Everyone think there are three red-hair running amok lol

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× Black Butler

Cale made a deal, or contract, with Sebastian when he lost everything in his life for revenge

Rather than joining the army, he became wanderer who hunt down arms wherever they go with the help of his demon butler

The demonic contract seals are in both of his eyes, that's why he wear a blindfold but he still can see clearly

Just.. imagine, Cale standing in front of the tree near Harris Village, where his mother's ancient power was located

And it's when the group of heroes visiting that place for something

They are not shocked by his appearance but by the scattered corpses of arms around while Cale just stood blankly facing the tree

When they want to confront him, they stop because someone seemingly teleported by shadow arrived by Cale's side

They talk about something before the person teleported them somewhere

[silly-cooki3]

TCF x ORV (continuation)

THE TRASH OF THE COUNT’S FAMILY X OMNISCIENT READER’S VIEWPOINT (PART  1.5)

OKAY SO, KIM DOKJA BEING TRANSPORTED TO TCF UNIVERSE WHERE HE UNEXPECTEDLY LANDS IN WHEN THE EMPIRE IS AT WAR WITH THE WHIPPER KIMGDOM AND IT’S RIGHT AFTER CALE ZAPS THEM GOLEMS YA KNOW (SO AROUND TCF CH 300 AND ABOVE + ORV CH 520 AND ABOVE) [SPOILERS IF YA HAVEN’T READ THROUGH BOTH]

- kim dokja spectates cale’s group in the jungle (honestly amazed by his group, his ancient powers, and his great acting skills + “10/10, would totally fool Kim Dokja’s Company, right 4th Wall?” + [th a t s in cons e que n tial K im Do kja] + stares and raises a brow at the 4th Wall + [. . .th e y lw ou ld d e fi nit e ly b e foo l ed] + he huffs out a small laugh))

- kim dokja then wakes up to a quiet and luxurious room and finds himself meeting a prince; aka. cale henituse literally drops him off with the prince

- “i need a favor, your highness.” + “what is it?” + “...your highness, the rising sun of the roan kingdom, the shining light of this world, the bright golden heart of-” + “spit it out.” + “take this.” + “wha- crazy bastard, this is a child!” 

- cue small kim dokja being nervous at how intensely the prince stares at him when he wakes up (he doesn’t know him)

- alberu gives him food and cookies without talking, kim dokja is glad as he silently stuffs himself with delicious food that he hasn’t eaten in thousands of years (and well if a few tears start falling out of his eyes while eating cookies, the nice, but weird blonde man doesn’t dare say anything about it)

- alberu then starts asking him questions;

- “who are you?” + “yoo joo-” kim dokja says “kim dokja, i mean kim dokja.”) + alberu looks confused but nods + “how old are you, young child?” + “15?” he sweat drops at ‘young child’ because he’s pretty sure he’s way older than the blonde man but he doesn’t remember how old + alberu on the other hand feels bad because he thinks that this poor kid doesn’t know his age (which he’s right) so he doesn’t question it + “did you enjoy the food and cookies?” + a moment of embarrassed silence...”yes.”

- in the tiniest part of alberu’s mind, he wants to adopt this child but no, he can’t;

-  ‘this child is not mine’ + ‘i dont have time or knowledge to take care of a child’ + ‘the child suddenly appeared randomly in a battlefield that was filled by black despair and then hit by an ancient power ‘how the fuck-’ ‘ + ‘do i really want to?’

(lmao, idk i feel like he’d be too tired to even adopt + he has a big secret)

- kim dokja then listens in to their conversation of the big plan (aka. commander cale ‘supposedly’ being at the brink of death) which makes him nod in understanding, because ‘dying really solves all your problems, doesn’t it? + [...] + ‘i won’t do anything stupid.’ 

(obviously he will do something stupid and the 4th Wall knows)

- after a while, there’s a small ruckus and he sees the blonde man run around trying to do all his work, so he wants to help the man who fed him;

- “do you need help?” + “haaaah...” alberu sighs, because a poor child really just offered help, ‘how overworked do i look for a child to want to help?’ + “i can take all the calls...” + “just keep eating your cookies and rest kim dokja.”

- kim dokja vibes (because he deserves it :D) and watches alberu struggle (poor crown prince D:)

and then boom

- kim dokja escapes because really, he needs to go back somehow

First Part here

Ayyy this is part 1.5 because no action happens here. Just Alberu and Kim Dokja, plus a snippet of Cale.

Anywayssss, do yall know Gashan’s personality? I’m only asking this for the fic I’m working on, its also a crossover between ORV x TCF so like yeahhhh