#he's an asshole character (i mean that in the most loving way because he's obv so much more than that)
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gojonanami Ā· 11 months ago
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people be like prof geto, geto this, geto that. SHUT UP HAVE U READ (i wanna show you off) SUGAR DADDY GOJO? BLOODSUCKER GOJO?? GOT YOU?? THE DOCTOR IS IN?? GO READ ASAP!!!!!
Sab's geto is good but gojo is better. FIGHT MEšŸ¤ŗšŸ¤ŗ
Team sab's gojoā™”~ā™”
-side note: I love prof geto.
ahhhh you're very sweet - I WILL CRY!! i'm glad you're team gojo!! i am also team gojo (i'm also team geto guys its ok)
sugar daddy gojo does hold a very special place in my heart haha - so do my other gojo fics because i adore that man and now he's very easy for me to write <333
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ifyouknowmenahyoudontt Ā· 4 months ago
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MORE OF ME COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FANDOM
- iā€™ve seen so many ppl consider andromeda and sirius leaving from their family as an act of love for their muggle born partners. i donā€™t really like that ESP for sirius. it really downplays their morals and what they fought for.
- why is regulus the forth marauder? where tf did peter go
- if i see one more piece of content that makes sirius leaving the house of black about regulus im going to lose it. ā€œ b-b-but how could he leave his baby brotheršŸ„ŗā€ that little baby brother was apart of a supremacist terrorist cult letā€™s be for real
-making characters like lily or remus in ships with those deatheaters assholes is WILD.
-andromeda is everything you want regulus to be give this girl the credit she deserves
-fanon regulus is cringe as hell. you all just took over characters storyā€™s to make it his. he sucked.
-the moment someone brings up that a new ship/hdcs donā€™t make sense and ppl say ā€œnothing is the hp universe makes senseā€ i lose a year off my life. letā€™s use our little heads and figure out that even in a fantastical world. things.can.still.make.sense.with.the.plotline.
- some of the regulus/evan/barty and whatever ways fans are like the WHINIEST fandom i have ever seen. canā€™t take any (valid btw) criticism on their weird little fetishes and act like theyā€™re being oppressed when people donā€™t like the same thing as them. not all of you guys obv but a LOT
- ā€œif you donā€™t like it just scrollā€ no? some things are objectively wrong and bad and should be discussed grow up
-this fandom is turning into a booktok porn addiction fandom
-a fandom is a place of discussion. people not liking fictional characters and talking about it is not going to kill you
-jamesā€™s character got dumbed down so BADLY by all the jegulus nonsense like james being kind of a simp in canon was because his love for LILY was pure and strong. they have a whole ass prophecy.
-making every character queer isnā€™t doing what you think itā€™s doing. and frankly idgaf if you make this character queer if that character is a horrible person. doesnā€™t make them more likable or interesting.
-there is a deep rooted issue of misogyny in this fandom.
-saying that jegulus is not going against lily as a character is not true. fanon regulus is literally lily but like racist. jegulus is literally jily.
-lily evans can love james potter and still be a strong character these two are not linked at all
-dorlene/jily/wolfstar where the sanest ships in the fandom. maybe add rose killer on there cus frankly since it doesnā€™t change much the characters or storyline itā€™s okay
-remember when regulus was ace? why did that get completely forgotten
-some of the fancasts did irreparable damage to peopleā€™s brains. because hot doesnā€™t mean better person
-james potter would punch most of the people you ship him with
- jegulus fics where harry is there kid and lily is a surrgate/barely in the pic is CRAZY
-mary is so sexualized? like why
- sirius was canonically better looking than regulus lol
-the black family can be explored so much more besides just the regulus glaze
-REGULUS BARELY CONTRIBUTED TO VOLDMORT BEING DEFEATEDDDDS PLEASE
- some of the new sapphic ships are actually good. nobleflower is very interesting.
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wonderful-magician Ā· 8 months ago
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What if
I wanted to rant about Electra
And did
Okay a lot of this ranting is just made up nonsense! ( Obv based off the musical itself ) I'm rewriting the musical to my tastes and would like to actually discuss the characters more than the musical is able too. This is more like a TV show set-up to be honest.
Okay main point I want to get out of the way. Electra is an antagonist. But he SUCKS at being a antagonist- for rusty. I genuinely don't remember any times he actually addresses rusty that's like actually important. He's really just a driving force against greaseball. He seems way more upset about diesel than steam. Though to be fair, he seems so confident in himself I doubt he's worried about some kid who's just kinda there.
Because Electra just appears. Unlike rusty and greaseball who are established to know each other. Electra literally just APPEARS. He's not part of the nationals. He wasn't even originally entered into the race. He just appears. And is here now. And he just wants to show off and beat the previous champion. Why would he acknowledge the steam engine who has no chance???
He doesn't even do anything outwardly malicious. I mean he listens to Red Caboose's plan and doesn't really mind that they cheat. And uhm. I guess he goes with pearl but she consented and willingly did that so it's not .. the worst. And he sometimes electrocutes people. But really most of the musical he just stands next to rusty and greaseball fighting while like " :/ " or just flirting with the components or something I don't know.
Of course this doesn't change the fact he's an asshole. He's apathetic and very naive honestly. He only cares about himself, and has tantrums like an actual toddler. He doesn't even ask out the pretty girls himself he has his accountant/security guy do that lmao. He's obviously not a guy used to doing anything himself. Or used to losing. And is just generally annoying to anybody who meets him. But he's probably the *most* redeemable of the three antags. In of which. Idk I feel like just having him live at the Apollo-Victoria for a few years or something would help just get him out of his stupid attitude hfhdbdb
A little bit indulgent perhaps. But i feel like in a episodic setting Electra would probably lose some of his apathetic tendencies. Not all of them- he's a computer. And he'll always be self centered and care a lot less about others feelings than most. But I could truly see him befriending Rusty, pearl, maybe even Dinah. Though I don't know if he'd ever get along with greaseball... Give it like 20 years... Maybe more... A lot of time.
But I truly think with the right circumstances he could just be??? A confident guy who is a bit inconsiderate?? Probably still whiny because you can't take the diva out of Electra but y'know what I mean.
Even MORE indulgent. I want a Dustin and Electra friendship SO BAD YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. These two are like. Opposites. But in the way that I just feel like they would help each other SO MUCH RAAAH. Electra is confident but struggles with empathy?? Dustin is overly empathetic and very insecure?? THEY COULD HELP EACH OTHER SO MUCH AAAA. Ok ok I need to stop with that.
But essentially I just think that Electra is this young guy. Like really young. He's one of the ( potentially, the youngest ) youngest people in the cast. Only a few years in service and he's already got a horrific ego. Just because he is TRULY good at racing. Can't take that from him. Even if he's very late. Like. Really late to the entry. But I just think he's this young guy who kinda threw himself into the wrong situation. Probably not realizing that messing with Caboose is a horrible idea. And that he was unknowingly racing against gods favorite so. oops.
Ok anyway I should shut up now ok I like Electra he's cool but he's a horrible antagonist but I love him and this probably is really hard to read (ā ļ¼¾ā āˆ‡ā ļ¼¾ā )ā ļ¾‰ā ā™Ŗ
Oh also why does nobody ever use his hypnotism powers. He has those. Are- are we going to ignore that-?? Ok...
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pixiedust-poppers Ā· 9 months ago
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you know funny enough, I feel like Jake and the neverland pirates would actually do really well as a Disney channel show for older kids (like say Gravity falls) instead of a preschool show. Youā€™d be able to get more into lore and emotional stuff. Maybe even plot?
I donā€™t know, if they ever did decide to reboot the show itā€™s a neat idea.
*grabs your shoulders and shakes you excitedly*
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!!!! LIKE!!!!
Ok, I think there is something to be done with Jake and his crew and his dynamic with Peter and Hook. Like for example how do the kids feel that Peter is only here for a day or a few hours, just enough to help with their issue? I'm sure the kids have a bit of an unhealthy attachment to him as he's really the only guardian figure they know, and as shown in Peter Pan's return, they all crave his attention so bad that they fuck up the mission trying to impress him! Like sure they can call him to bring him back to Neverland, but they don't perhaps he implemented a rule that they can only call him for emergencies. Which is also kinda hm. But you know he doesn't completely neglect them.
Word vomit incoming
Now let's take this a step deeper; what about Peter's relationship with them individually, it's clear he has a favorite, and it's Jake like that isn't a contest. Even if the show tries not to portray it in that manner it's obvious (I mean for fuck sake his name is in the title lol). His item(s)? A wooden sword personally hand-carved by Peter himself. After completing the Forever Quest, a golden sword called the Destiny Sword (towards the end of season 3) turns him into Captain Jake after giving the others a rousing speech about teamwork and how they can all get together to defeat Fathom with it. So it's clear he's the chosen (I'll touch more on that pressure later) by Neverland. But what does that mean for Izzy and Cubby? I mean sure they got items from him and he does care about them, but they're not as special as Jake. And they're never going to be, I mean god, Disney didn't even bother to make them Birthday episodes yet gave Jake two, then gave Skully and a minor character one. So it could develop into them realizing that while they are well-liked they aren't loved by Peter, Cubby is in denial about this revelation as he has gotten more gifts than Izzy. Izzy, the only girl in the main cast, is grated by this knowledge, she KNOWS and she has known for a long time. Enough to the point where perhaps she deserves a villain arc (then a redeemed villain arc) with the help of Captain Hook, who sees this opportunity to manipulate her for his gain.
Ok so jumping, let's go back to that Captain Jake issue. I personally didn't like Season 4, I thought it was shit BUT this new Captain Jake in a reboot could bring up an interesting little angst point called, "The pressure of being forced to be THE responsible one when you're only still a child." You might have all these other well-established Captains around you but, they depend on you to think of ideas, and come up with solutions to save the day, if you fail then it's on you but you're only 8 or 10 years old!!! A user mentioned this before but Jake could develop an entirely new personality as a Captain to make himself seem smarter and more capable than he actually is! This can go two ways A) he burns out and he burns out REAL bad and rather fast. B) The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and the realization of how much power he holds makes him realize he can almost do whatever he wants because he IS the 2nd most powerful person after Peter. This then comes his Power-tripping arc and the consequences of Peter not dividing this power between the trio, and being gassed up everyone, which raises his ego through the roof. This can only end badly obv and it does, how? idk but just know it does.
As for Captain Hook, because this is New Disney he can't be 100% back to his OG self but he can absolutely be raised to be more of an asshole in a Disney channel show and probably a bit fucked up. But you also would have to thread carefully on how you do these things, because one wrong move and Disney will have you rewrite the whole thing and tone it down more than need be. I also think there would be more to explore with the kids and their dynamic with him, since they also would have more nuance to them. They could have more stakes with him, and could honestly do more messed up shit with them he could make them have an inner conflict, he could manipulate one to join his side temporarily. Put the kids in more life-threatening situations that they don't come out unscathed from. Hell, you know what, I want him to win some episodes and get his way with Jake and his crew being powerless to stop it. It would teach a lesson that some days, you just can't win, someone who is nasty will win and get away with it and you have to be ok with that! (if you have resourced all your options first) Life will not always go your way. As for him and Red Jessica, show a toxic relationship, I mean come on do you REALLY think she has a thing for hook lol, it was shoehorned Hetero-shipping bait and it worked now can we do something else with it? As for smee, sharky and bones? I guess they can be less friendly to the sea pups, it would be more of a loyalty thing rather than a personal thing.
Also, the show could bring back the lost boys, to make the island seem less empty than it is, and maybe a different set of kids to replace the Native Americans.
Finally, to end this word vomit, the relationship between the kids. I really beg it be explored more. Now don't get me wrong they can have a wholesome and loving bond but not everything has to be peachy-keen. Like sure Jake is their captain but do they, not envy or resent him in some way? For example, they're all bright but Izzy is shown to be the brightest she has more knowledge about Neverland and its artifacts, so why is she not captain? Is it because she isn't naive enough? She isn't as nice or forgiving as Jake? She has no issue snapping at you when she's fed up? Then there's cubby, does he even have the real guts to be cut up for this type of thing? The classic "why him and not me?" type of deal. Then there's Cubby, does he hate being just stuck as coconut boy by his peers and other pirates? Will he ever break out of his shell, does he have a breaking point with his friends? Then Jake gets annoyed that they're not as in sync as they once were, he kinda hates that they're developing on their own and steadily gaining more and more independence. They're willing to talk back to him, be rude, and do less trio activities. Which leads to more conflicting ideas, possibly fights, and less "what I say goes!". He is scared of them changing and becoming their own individuals, he's scared that they might be growing up.
Sorry this is so so so long and rambly, I just have a lot to say about a reboot for this show that I cannot help myself.
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felixcatton Ā· 2 years ago
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Hello maā€™am ā˜€ļø šŸ‘‹šŸ» šŸ˜Œ
Having watched djats (I blame u), Iā€™d love to hear about your fav parts of the show and book - bonus points if theyā€™re not in the book and show! (Of course if you feel inclined to share! šŸ˜Š)
I'M SO HAPPY YOU WATCHED, i'll gladly take the blame šŸ˜ i'll keep it to things that aren't in the book or in the show, orrrrr just things that i just think were executed way better in one rather than the other!
the book:
this is more just something that i thought wasn't executed as well in the show, but... karen. like everything about karen. i loooove suki waterhouse, but much preferred karen in the book. the show tried sorta, but she felt watered down. among other reasons, i have... Complicated feelings about karengraham and like 90% of her scenes were with graham. in the book, she was my third favourite character and i loved her entire arc.
i was skimming the book the other day and i was so struck by how MUCH there is about teddy and billy working on aurora together. i love that their dynamic was like a father/son, yes, but also such a musical partnership. there's such an ease to their work together, like musical soulmates. they were such a tight, exclusive unit that it's like yeah no wonder the band hated you šŸ˜­ but i loved it<3
on that same note, i did love billy and teddy going back and rerecording so much of the album behind everyone's backs. and i obviously just mean that in the sense that i simply can't help but enjoy an annoying rude tyrannical little control freak character and i especially enjoy watching those traits destroy all of their relationships. and this particular thing factored so heavily into the band's resentments and ultimate break-up that i was surprised the show didn't include it other than eddie throwing in a single line about it in the last episode. the show obv already has ample examples of billy being an asshole in this way, but this specifically was a real stand-out moment in the book to me.
daisy's general motherhood arc, which IS obviously a part of the show, and i do like the way it was done in the show; i just really, really loved how a hope like you was explicitly about that in the book.
a hope like you on snl!!!!! the idea of them doing a stripped down, intimate performance right at the time that daisy feels most vulnerable with him, and everyone going so crazy for it that they have to try to recreate it at every show. and with a song that is SO vulnerable to her, a song that she admits is about him but is on a much larger scale about her wish to become a mother, to be the kind of woman who could be a good mother, like the kind of woman he married. and how singing this particular song with him in this particular way becomes actually torturous. it was such a choice. this part, particularly the last paragraph, is just insane.
the show:
daisybilly actually kissing. not once, not twice, but three times. like, thank god.
SIMONE AND BERNIE šŸ’–šŸ§”šŸ’•šŸ’“šŸ’šŸ’—šŸ’žā¤ļøšŸ’˜
playing up daisy's mommy issues was such a good choice. their phone call in episode 10 was a highlight of the whole show for me.
okay i'm an eddie hater and wish it could've been done with someone else (although i get why it was eddie, it definitely added to the eddie/billy rivalry, or rather the eddie/billy rivalry that eddie wishes existed) but i am happy that camila got an explicit cheating plot. like she needed that. we all needed that.
this is a really little scene but it's kind of a big one when you compare it to the book. billy and camila talking about having another child but then never having one, considering they already had three kids at that point in the book. like... what an interesting scene lmao. but also how he reacts the exact same way to camila bringing up another baby as he did to daisy bringing up another album. itā€™s a lot.
billy's relapse and camila leaving him in episode 10. not just because i thought it was nice to see camila actually say "enough is enough" but because i was glad to see both of them forced to confront everything and realize that just saying "everything is fine" does not, in fact, make everything fine. and that billy was white-knuckling his sobriety! i was happy to see that actually fully acknowledged. the fact that he actually goes back to rehab and stays in therapy afterwards and how that's really the only reason they were able to stay together and make it work, while in the book they just never talk about it ever and are like "we prefer it this way actually" (which is hilarious and so, so crazy like book!camilabilly will forever be so fascinating to me, i want to study their brains). for the show, i thought that was a really satisfying conclusion that imo made it clear that the rest of their marriage really was happy, even if still surely complicatedā„¢ļø
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majesticwren Ā· 1 year ago
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I really like the concept of Falling for you, I love me a BFF to lovers trope but Stella is taking some warming up to for me. It feels like it's her life's mission to be miserable so she does everything she can to make herself miserable so she has an excuse.
Greg is an abusive asshole who she can barely stand but she's staying with him to show off to her family that she can't stand?
Why?
Not even bringing max into the situation yet but Stella is kind of a bummer šŸ™ˆ I really liked her in the first chapter up until Greg came in and she was right alongside him as the bad guy (she is stringing him along and using him and then planning on dumping him when he's served his purpose) I mean obviously in a much different way but she's not squeaky clean in their relationship either.
I don't know ....it's only the second chapter so I'll obvs read more before I fully judge but from what I can tell she has a family she hates, a job she hates (cos it's obviously she still wants to be a wrestler) and a boyfriend she hates that she's just using to get through a situation she hates.
Will we see more of her personality or is she only nice and good fun if she's talking to max? Or is being miserable her personality?
Sorry for the rambling I'm just kind typing as I think but yeah I mean I'm excited to read more but I do hope Stella lightens up at some point she's just been throughly miserable all the time about everything so far that it's hard to imagine her smiling let alone anything else šŸ™ˆ
Hello darling, first of thank you for taking the time to read my silly little fic and I appreciate you reaching out šŸ’—
So, to answer your opinion, I'm sorry you found Stella such a bummer. I am, in fact, trying to depict a character that is extremely flawed and with commitment and trust issues. She is everything you had described her to be, and I've written her like this on purpose. She is not a good person bit there's space to improve. She is not happy but she will be. I tend to like writing complicated characters that will have an arch to become better/stronger or find a way out their situations, and this story is not different. Stella is super flawed and damaged, and most of it is her own fault, but I hope you'll trust the process because things are going to change in the story and I hope you'll enjoy what's planned āœØļø
Also, just on a little side note, I clearly don't condone the kind of behaviour I write about. Not the abuses and not the complying of, I just need it for the plot šŸ™
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bellesowl Ā· 4 years ago
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oh no thereā€™s only one bed!
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- multiple characters
ā¤· atsumu, kuroo, ushijima, sakusa
genre: fluff leaning towards crack ; kinda mutual pining?
okay so background info: yā€™all are bffs but are both completely and utterly enamored w each other
- a/n: hi! so i was scrolling through tiktok and saw this trope and was like huh and then this popped into my brain. also tsumuā€™s is kinda long sorry HAHJANA
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- atsumu
cocky ass mf
super chill on the outside but freaking outā„¢ļø on the inside bc like wtf he gets to share a bed w the love of his life???
is probably already lying down on the bed when you get inside
you look around & .... what
only one bed
ā€œwhere will i sleep?ā€
ā€œidk, iā€™ll be sleeping on My bed, but feel free to join meā€ with a wink
KAKIYHA I HATE HIM
yeah but you sleep on the bed anyways
letā€™s pretend you like to sleep w the ac super cold and he doesnā€™t right so yā€™all prob argue abt it but he gives up & lets you make it colder
but ofc he grumbles the whole time
but after all that yā€™all finally get to sleep
so u wake up to go use the bathroom but canā€™t bc thereā€™s a heavy weight keeping you in place
you wake up a little more are realize that you and tsumu are cuddling
heā€™s very warm and ur in love so you donā€™t mind it and cuddle closer to him
atsumu wakes up before you, surprised
he takes a couple minutes to admire you tho bc how tf are you so gorgeous w drool on your chin & ur mouth open
he kinda just ..... basks in your warmth
gives u a tiny peck on the forehead
okay then you wake up the next morning but are still very groggy
and hear ā€œwell look who cuddled next to me. you were cold, werenā€™t you?ā€ whispered in your ear
you kinda are shocked bc
1. atsumuā€™s morning voice is so hot
2. wtf he snuggled up next to you???
but ur in no mood to argue so you just roll your eyes
ā€œwhat time is it asshole?ā€
ā€œitā€™s 9 am babe, you slept inā€
okay ur shocked bc babe but itā€™s wtvr
ā€œwtf u mean slept in, letā€™s go back to sleep mk?ā€
yeah yā€™all go back to sleep but before you do he pulls you in closer, and in a moment of bravery, he admits his feelings
ofc you tell him you love him back and he kisses your cheek bc ā€œgross morning breath!ā€ yeah he still kisses u on the lips right after, the simp and yā€™all cuddle for the rest of the day
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- kuroo
i Know this mf is unbothered
he doesnā€™t want you to sleep on the floor but also he doesnā€™t wanna sleep on the floor so he suggests that you guys just sleep on the bed together
but Absolutely No Touching and Stay On Your Side
however
u didnā€™t expect kuroo to sleep with three (3) pillows
and the mf stole the blanket and everything
so you unconsciously scooted closer to get a little warmer bc the room is probably freezing
yeah you also end up using him as a pillow bc he stole all of yours
anyways yā€™all end up tangled together the next morning
you wake up first and freak out bc like thatā€™s your longtime crush?&&! and he was so close to you ?&$&!
you trace the patterns of his face, from the curve of his nose to his sharp jawline
his lips slowly curve into a smile and he decides that he wants to wake up like this everyday for the rest of his life
and he decides to do something about it ;)
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- ushijima
probably the most respectful of the group
like kuroo, he doesnā€™t want you to sleep on the floor but he also doesnā€™t wanna sleep on the floor
so his solution: pillow wall
itā€™s kinda a failsafe just in case one of yā€™all move a lot while sleeping lmao little did yā€™all know
toshi is def a cuddly sleeper
idk i just feel like the poor baby is touch starved >:(
so while yā€™all are asleep he kinda just... reaches over w his long ass arms and pulls you closer
itā€™s 100% unintentional but he has this little smile on his face like heā€™s having the best sleep of his life
anyways, he def wakes up first bc mans has to go on his morning run
but he wakes up, sees you- your head a hair away from his and your arms wrapped around him ... he just .... canā€™t leave
so for the First time he decides to skip the run
instead, he smiles and pulls you closer before drifting back to sleep
sorry babe youā€™ll have to tell him your feelings when you wake up because
1. heā€™s too oblivious to realize you like him back
2. itā€™s obvious he likes you back because of the way heā€™s holding onto your waist like his life depended on it <3
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- sakusa
okay but tbh id be surprised if you could get him to sleep next to you
heā€™s def comfortable with you, seeing as though you always take the proper precautions to make him as comfortable as he can be
thatā€™s why he fell in love with you in the first place
but to make him even more comfortable, yā€™all do that thing where you sleep under the comforter and he sleeps on top
but the problem is that he got super cold during the night
he shook you awake at like 3 in the morning with a ā€œhey, are you awake?ā€
and ur like ā€œno tfā€
ā€œiā€™m coldā€
ā€œokay what do u want me to do abt itā€
he gives u the :(( face & you ask if he wants to get under the covers too
he obv agrees but you make sure to stay as far apart as possible
sakusa wakes up first and wow
heā€™s never slept that well in his entire life
he looks over at you, drool and all, and decides itā€™s because of you
he kisses your cheek before pulling you impossibly closer to him
you wake up a could minutes after and are greeted with him just kinda staring at you
you enjoy the warmth he gives off but then realize
ā€œoh my god kiyoomi, iā€™m so sorryā€ you panic while trying to move away
he doesnā€™t let you, obv and is like
ā€œi donā€™t mind, in fact, i never mind when itā€™s youā€
youā€™re kinda stunned because did he just confess ???
spoiler alert: yeah he did
you tell him your feelings and yā€™all spend the rest of the day cuddling <3
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a/n pt 2: yeah its like 3 am and this is not proofread at all but i hope you enjoyed it! also the tsumu one was so self indulgent HAHA
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whatitis-inside Ā· 2 years ago
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My B&A kinda review coz Iā€™m not made to write good summaries about things Iā€™ve watched lol. I guess Iā€™ll go with points might be easier (for me obvs)
1. Maren - like I said she was extremely boring. I didnā€™t see any spark between Taylor and Tim in terms of chemistry (which is surprises even more that some folks are now saying they are dating). Maren through the whole movie was rather detached and thought of herself as better than all of them (Lee included). I never saw in her that she loved him. She was always using him for something and then when he truly needed her she was just ā€˜noā€™ and left him in the most awful way possible. And then went back for him as if nothing really fucking happened?! Like WTF?! She was boring and annoying through the whole movie. I also donā€™t know if it was the problem of the character or Taylor also wasnā€™t really good, coz yeah the character was more isolated and just started to discovering things, but through the whole movie her expression was of like this detached, not-really-present human
2. The bi-thing. I really donā€™t know it was said Lee is bisexual. By Tim and the other dude (but I also need to check that for verification if Timbo really said it like this). Because there was nothing bisexual about it. I saw this scene more like him doing jerking off actively because it was heightening the dudeā€™s smell and when they finally eat him he would just be more sweet.
3. The Sully thing - it was bizarre. I mean the character itself was interesting and very weird (aka in my lane), but I didnā€™t get why he was so obsessed with Maren to the point of following her everywhere and then attacking her. Like why? What was in her that he had done it?! (back to point 1 coz she was more boring lol)
4. Lee. Someone said (yes it was 6 lol) that Lee deserved better and thatā€™s so fucking true. He was an interesting character, wanting to feel accepted, but also leaving his family to protect them in a way, to not hurt them with what he knew he was. Yet still, he wanted the love of another human and instead he got Maren that was not only boring, but also so full of herself that she thought of him as worse than her. And then left him like that. Yeah, dude was fucked up truly but all he did was trying to find someone who would love him as he was and he got Maren instead. That even killed him at the end and wasnā€™t even sorry.
5. The plot: Iā€™m aware they were some changes made with some Iā€™m already familiar, but I didnā€™t read the whole book so I donā€™t know about all of them (I need to go back to the book lol even tho I didnā€™t like the beginning) - coz the whole plot didnā€™t have any sense to me. Like, some hidden secrete to be made perhaps I donā€™t know, we just got Sully being obsessed with Maren and thatā€™s it. Why ?! And otherā€™s that have read the book said that Maren was afraid of being Lee for very particular reason and yet they didnā€™t make it clear in the movie which fucking sucks coz it made her an asshole (see point 1)
6. Tim as Lee: he was good, he got to show all the layers of Lee. Of being who he was and accepting that, but also still being a human and wanting to feel connected with someone else, find someone to love. Was he really excellent to the point it was his best performance? Nah, I wouldnā€™t say so, coz for an excellent performance you need more than just a fucking talented actor. You need a plot and the costar, and in B&A he lacked in both. The plot was not really interesting (see point 5) and there was no real chemistry between him and Taylor. So I was kinda disappointed all Iā€™ve read from his fans was about how amazing he was, how great, whatever, that itā€™s his best movie so far and it was very fucking far from the reality. Of course thatā€™s just my opinion everyone can have theirs (coz you know thatā€™s how opinions work), however, for me personally itā€™s The Tim-effect, that you need to rave about his performance as his fans coz you canā€™t have it any other way.
7. Michael Stuhlbarg - ooh the dude was freaking amazing. Loved that little scene, it gave me the best creeps.
8. Idk if it was intentional but a lot of people laughed during the screening which interesting I guess. But yeah I must admit it was funny sometimes when they were going down on someone and eating them. I find it also interesting that there wasnā€™t much shown, it was more implied which I kinda liked coz the sounds were making it up for ya, but also I did want to see all the gory details lol
The movie was alright, but imo definitely this sort of masterpiece a lot of tried to sell. The story lacked something and itā€™s kinda sad because I was really hoping for more.
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strangestcase Ā· 3 years ago
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loving how Henry jekyll is an unreliable narrator but for like a variety of reasons.
like half of the stuff he knows he's omitting to preserve his privacy and dignity, obv, the other half he tells Gabriel is glaringly full of both his own personal bias and his need to distance himself from his own mistakes (including murder), but also some parts he might not even remember 100% crystal clear because Dissociation Is A Thing, and also he was high on cocaine most of the time, and also he didn't want to straight up say "I saw the opportunity to jump over the edge and did it, because I've got an impulse control problem and it's in my nature to fuck up" to Gabriel's face.
he knows he's done bad things and tells us so. he admits he was too arrogant and that believing he had a moral high ground even though he was Secretly An Asshole was a shitty thing to do but what can you do about it? it's now in the past and it can't be changed. he knows he's gone off the deep end and doesn't like the prospect of living guilt-free anymore if that means losing his entire personality to a fabricated persona. he SAYS THAT. he knows he can be a jerk sometimes and Gabriel honestly must know Henry can be a jerk sometimes but I guess you just... can't go ahead and tell him you indulged in it, no matter how much you regret it now.
even if that was easy it still hurts to admit you CAN be a terrible person sometimes and in Henry's case he's... literally drugged himself into a terrible person. Henry manages to write down that he killed some guy and enjoyed it and is sickened by the fact he FELT like that even if it was in a heavily altered mental state. like... do I really have the potential to be a murderer? was I really that close to hurting more people for my own pleasure? try admitting THAT.
I guess that's why he also switches to a third person. it's easier to lie to both Gabriel and himself and say he's a victim to his brain, which, fair enough, he IS, but it's not like it's an external force. it must have started some way. and ding ding ding! Henry created THAT in the first place and indulged in THAT in the first place and now is reaping the consequences. as much as it's easy to go "ha, told you so!" (because really? do all mad scientists believe they're exempt from consequences? actually I know the answer to that question and it's "yes") he's still suffering because of it
it's just so much easier to lie to yourself and everyone else. he's spent the whole book- no, his whole LIFE doing that, to stay safe, to stay loved, to stay alive. I guess that now he does so to stay sane but I doubt that's gonna help- by the end of his narration he explicitly states he's slipping rapidly, dissociating to hell and back, and is feeling his sense of self fade away while he's sleep deprived, physically weak, and haunted and tormented by both his own bad choices and himself of all people.
he's only not a reliable narrator because he doesn't let himself be. and even though a lot of the things Henry says aren't necessarily all that happened, it's the story from his perspective the one that explains it all. we're meant to take what he says at face value only because he's the only person who knows all what happened, and he's being as truthful as he needs to be. yet he's still choosing how he tells it.
this guy isn't even half a villain he's just a pile of let's say interesting choices in a trench coat pretending to be human and bitterly admitting that their attempt at transcendence not only failed spectacularly but that they enjoyed at least half of the descent into madness and now just want to get off mr bones wild ride but is too late to do so.
that's why I like him so much as a character. sometimes you go "OH YOU FUCKING BASTARD IM GOING TO STRANGLE YOU YOU LITTLE LYING BASTARD!" but most of the time it's "shit man... that must suck... shit..."
catch me here writing an essay psychoanalyzing a dead fictional man.
anyway. Henry Jekyll needs so much therapy and if he had gone to therapy BEFORE this entire shitshow of bad choices had even started nothing would have happened. Henry Jekyll the normal sane scientist with normal and sane ideas. the end.
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pwnyta Ā· 3 years ago
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Idk if you have ever watched Katekyo hitman Reborn, but I was part of the fandom even before the anime boomed (itā€™s likeā€¦ 2010-11-ish, I think?I was a little younger than MCs, so around 11-12 yo and now I am 20+) and I remember out of all characters liking Tsuna (mc) the best, even tho he was a loser and wasnā€™t really all that coolā€¦ and I still remember how anime boomed bc the artstyle changed significantly in the later arcs and suddenly all characters started to look really hot.
And god how much Iā€™ve hated it! Bc suddenly there was shit ton of people who were actively thirsting for all of those characters but also there were A LOT of people who were hating on Tsuna, and I really, REALLY disliked it :)))) Idk maybe Iā€™ve really related to the fact that he was a normal guy just thrown into the world of mafia and crazy people out of nowhere, in a way that I also experienced a lot of bullshit I didnā€™t want to be a part of back then(but no one asked my opinion obv).
For that reason I really disliked the fact that so many people have joined KHR bc characters were hotā€¦ it rubbed me the wrong way and I think I also didnā€™t really like majority of the cast all that much? Characters like Hibari seemed to be just hot and crazy without any personality outside of it. I wouldnā€™t say that my years in the fandom were miserable, but it sucked to constantly hear that your fav character is annoying and dumbā€¦
ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦..
ā€¦And then Iā€™ve decided to rewatch the show a lot of years later :ā€™))))) AND GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I AM SO FUCKING PISSED.
I donā€™t even know how to say itā€¦ but after Iā€™ve rewatched KHR Iā€™ve realized that majority of the characters Iā€™ve disliked are actually pretty cool and I love their personalities and little quirks, and as for Tsunaā€¦ holy fucking shit he takes the medal for literally not changing AT ALL. Like, at first everything was fine, but then Iā€™ve realized that he legitimately practically didnā€™t change from the very first episode. Then again, I donā€™t know if youā€™ve watched it but anime have ended on the arc where Tsuna and his friends literally have saved SEVERAL WORLDS (it makes sense in the context I swear) and then in next arc (two last arc werenā€™t animated) he was beaten up by fucking SCHOOL BULLIESā€¦ bruh wtfā€¦ I mean, sure, he was beaten up while trying to help another person to get out of troubles (which he probably would have never done in the beginning of the story) but I still canā€™t get over the fact that so many chapters/arcs later he is unable to defend himselfā€¦
What I am trying to say is that is an extremely shitty feeling to return to the franchise you love just to find out that your fave sucks ass practically didnā€™t change from start to finish, while a lot of other characters get a lot of growth and actually CHANGE. Iā€™m so salty about it you have no idea :))))))
Reborn was THE fandom for me back when it was pretty popular!
I dont remember Tsuna being hated all that much but as always I mostly stay on the fringe of fandom because I know how people can be. But yeah... I do know the KHR fandom was one that you just wanted to avoid due to its size which is usually true for most fandoms.
Hibari (who I actually liked), the guy who looked like he was from Black Butler, and Gokudera... as is typical of fandoms of kind of douchey characters... a lot of the fans were also douchey and probably insist that the characters who were nice were too boring because they werent assholes.
I disagree with you that Tsuna sucked, he did largely stay the same but he was fun and funny. I enjoyed his rapport with the most of the cast and even though he had his typical Shonen protag vibe... like I just didnt expect him to NOT be that. He filled the roll he was made for. Gokudera was the loud jag that bitched about everything, Yamamoto was the clueless powerhouse that just was cool with all the crazy shit happening around him, Hibari... had a deranged love for his school for some reason, Tsuna was the power of friendship good boy who did his best even though he was a fucking idiot...
You were not wrong or dumb for liking Tsuna he was a sweet, idiot boy with the power of frienship! Dont feel influenced by the shittiest parts of fandom just because Tsuna wasnt MEGA deep. He doesnt need to be, he was a fine protag in a shonen series that was largely there just for fun. There was mafia babies, there was a bitch who kept poisoning her brother, a guy who couldnt function unless he saw his boys, an infant who shot himself with a bazooka when he was upset, a little baby that didnt have ears and you think its just a stylistic choice until theres a story involving her bad eyesight in which they get her glasses but she cant wear them because she doesnt have ears! ...
It was never that deep.
Tsuna didnt have to be anything more than he was to carry the series. People need everything to be like top tier and mega nuanced and shit... and its so boring... Just have fun with a series...
Like you dont expect Hocus Pocus to be that deep... the characters have a pretty predictable not that EXTREME change throughout but no one cares because its a fun movie. Do I wanna watch Citizen Kane? Or do I wanna watch Hocus Pocus for the millionth time?
FUCKIN HOCUS POCUS. Citizen Kane is fucking boring.. I wanna have fun.
Thats all Im saying sometimes a series is Hocus Pocus... you know what I mean?
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-Signed a mega fan of Yamamoto and Ryohei the two dumbest mother fuckers in the series.
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so after reading through act 3 and all the anons and replies let me justā€¦put in my ā€œlilā€ 2 cents.
firstly, hongjoong is like by far my most favorite character rn, my king is really just living his life, being intelligent and being a good homie, love that for him.
i feel like considering who iā€¦am like, reading through this story is so interesting bc all i care about is y/n going through her growth process rather than the actualā€¦romance part of the story LMAO like ur good for that. i care sm about y/n and how her character grows that i forget thereā€™s meant to be romance and stuff like i remember act 2 starting off w smut literally caught me off guard LMAOOOOO.
also i had such a hard time reading through the cafeteria scene w y/n and boyoung like the way i had to keep putting my phone down cus y/n was making me lose it but i knew it was bound to happen like šŸ˜­ but i had to take a break LMAO
tbh iā€™m glad y/n went through a reality check since thatā€™s all that mattered to me. ik san is likeā€¦the other love interest but idc about him rn LMAO like the development of y/n is just so interesting that i donā€™t even rlly want her to see san in another light aside from the one thatā€™s being revealed to her cus i just KNOW itā€™s wat she needs to grow.
like ik y/n said she wasnā€™t afraid of those girls or of even being an outcast like sheā€™s more afraid of being ALONE than anything but like the budding relationship with wooyoung is already pushing her to grow past this point of needing stability in what she KNOWS. like she literally cried because of what happened to wooyoung and how SHE believed her bringing him there was what put him through that but just before they went in she basically admitted she didnā€™t care about his feelings.
itā€™s likeā€¦ik itā€™s gonna be a breaking point rather than just slow growth itself but if thatā€™s what needs to happen than sure, cus i just want y/n to come to that overall realization that she doesnā€™t need to be the person she is for the sake of others or to protect herself but rather because she loves who she is
like she KNOWS itā€™s not good to talk shit about other people and she KNOWS what she says ABOUT and TO boyoung is wrong but sheā€™s just so used to needing to be mean for the sake of protecting HERSELF that itā€™s putting someone who doesnā€™t deserve it in a bad position. i just need her to grow into that person that realizes this.
like yeojin isā€¦right, like y/n has no idea wat real love even feels like rn and sheā€™s so attached to san and this idea of him that now that her fantasy is breaking itā€™s making it seem like sans the one ruining it but like she doesnā€™t even rlly KNOW san and thatā€™s just insane to me like. and not only that like y/n fr needs to get her shit together before she should even be in a fully committed relationship like girl u hav so many issues u need to get through šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ like u need to be happy w urself before u can be happy w someone else or else your being dependent on this person and that IS NOT a real relationship. like obv u can hav ppl help u love urself but i feel like wooyoung and maybe even hongjoong will play a bigger part on that than san or mingi.
but atp i donā€™t even care about san like heā€™s already an asshole for saying that stuff about her and her art (when heā€™s NEVER SEEN IT?!? girl u never shouldā€™ve revealed that) and u already said heā€™s gonna get worse later like i was just gonna leave his ass be cus he didnā€™t do anything WRONGā€¦ā€¦.YET. but like the fact that he revealed that he didnā€™t even care about her feelings and only wanted to sleep with her when he knew she was vulnerable like thatā€™s a whole other can of worms cus wow. like king you had the right to remain silent LMAO. like ik u said heā€™s just retaliating cus y/n was being mean to boyoung but like king is literally no better than this girl he so clearly dislikes
also like fuck yeosang for making fun of the way y/n eats cusā€¦wtf? like thereā€™s no excuse for being like that, esp for wen it comes to food and weight.
like no i donā€™t need y/n to fuck yunho i NEED her to get her shit together šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
anyways, watch yeosang be in love w san LMAO
but yeaā€¦.i feel like i missed a lot. like mingiā€¦boy u better know how to fight lmao.
once again your writing is absolutely amazing and i just adore the way you dissect the characters and flesh them out. i honestly wish i knew how to write out characters with that much depth. the setting is so ideal and kind of cliche yet you continue to push through with making it unique to your own writing. like the take on what having mommy issues does to a girl is just so real and the fact that WE still donā€™t even know what the true y/n is like cus she hasnā€™t had that full emotional break down like we know her experiences but were still getting to know HER like wow i truly canā€™t wait for more!
oh and i was listening to ā€œbaby,iā€™m jealousā€ by bebe rexha and doja cat wen i was reading this. it literally couldnā€™t be more perfect LMAO
-šŸ§ƒ
i actually write joong's character with the idea of him being the people reading this story, basically the audience. he's just going to be there helping her out and being the voice of reason tbh šŸ˜­
and me too! i pay so much attention to y/n and trying to build her up bc she's just so much fun to write that i forget about the romance and i'm like 'oh wait they expect something with san to happen' or 'mingi should do this and that' šŸ˜­ bc this really is focused so much on yn's growth and i hate the idea of a love interest 'fixing' someone and since yn is very much a mess i sometimes have trouble placing the romance aspects of the story in the chapters LMFAOO
and yeah, y/n got a reality check that SHOULD keep her away from san forever but she also has self-destructive tendencies that will eventually drag her back to him (and also make her sleep with yunho lol)
UGHHHHH i want to say so much more but i cant bc i dont want to give out spoilers so i need to end it here. BUT THANK YOUUUUU. u guys are too nice like wow šŸ’˜šŸ’˜šŸ’˜
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antiloreolympus Ā· 3 years ago
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14 Anti LO Asks
1. To the one anon: good question - how is it that the mortals dont know who Persephone is / assume she is a minor goddess and therefore its okay to mess with her but the gods (or Olympians / underworld denizens) know exactly everything about her (despite her being there only every so often and only being 20ish) - enough to say shes "wearing her signature white color" during a murder trial.
Also the reason why Persephone is wearing white is because
A). RS wanted persephone to always be "dressed as a bride" (and have Hades dressed as a groom respectively) to show that their matching / is supposed to be a visual cue that their eventually gonna be together.
B). I believe this is RS way of saying that Persephone (despite murdering some mortals) is innocent because in purity culture White = innocence, virginity, youth etc. (Even though RS explicity ssid she wanted to go against purity culture morals shes very much leaning into them).Ā 
2. why are Psycheā€™s eyes yellow even in her human form? Is she sick??
3. honestly? LO is just gossisp girl at this point, espect even GG (at least in the first season) bothered to saturze the rich and was calling out how wealth and power makes them corrupt assholes. meanwhile LO is just GG season 2 and on of being like no no, the poor people are the evil people and the rich people are the oppressed ones! all while also fawning over their Ā wealth and status and being way into grown men wanting to bang barely legal teens and claiming to be "feminist" somehow.
4. Tumblr is well-known for broken tag system. Check the post' tags before complaining that it's op's fault. How about you guys not tag greek mythology when posting about LO? LO is not one-shot or short fancomic. It's also definitely not considered actual greek mythology. LO is years long webcomic with huge fans. LO has its own tag. Tell your fellow fans to stop using the greek mythology tag.
5. I would argue nyx is the only woman with a unique in design in LO but thats only because she looks like a deformed chicken woman. why was my night mom disrespected this much šŸ˜­
6. So now that LO is back from break and I can finally read chapter 170 - Why oh Why do ALL the female characters Have to be defined by their male love interests??? (Or really just love interests in general).
I understand LO qualifies as the "romance" genre and there are certain stipulations or I guess themes or what have you that make it romance but for f*cks sake.
Psyche being worried about Eros loving the "fake" her I kinda get, but really? Thats your most pressing concern?? Hera is defined by her garbage marriage to Zeus - King of the gods (of which is why she is Queen of the gods). Hestia + Athena are now defined solely by their relationship to each other (not the TGOEM or their respective traits of being a goddess of the hearth + goddess of war, strategy etc etc).
Aphrodite is defined by giving Persephone "relationship" advice (e.g: telling her to curb stomp Minthe because "nymphs dont take things from gods" - doubly implying that people are things to own) And by her jealousy of Persephone in the first place because Hades made a comment about how he thought Persephone was prettier than her. And also because of her "house of debauchery" (Artemis' Ā words) - and relationship with Ares.
Persephone is defined both by Apollo raping her and by her fated future status as Queen of the underworld (so her relationship with Hades). Hell, even the minor characters such as nymphs are defined by this relationship status / standard. Minthe is defined by her mean spirited personality yes, but Also because of her abusive relationship with Hades prior to the introduction of Persephone. Psyche is defined by her relationship woes with Eros. Daphne is defined by her relationship with Thanatos (and because shes a flower nymph) but also mostly because she looks like Persephone.
Rhea is defined by her marriage / relationship to Kronos (lets ignore the whole "fertility goddess power" plot for a second). Even Aetna is defined by Haphestus creating her! Is there not a single character (especially female) is isnt defined by their romantic love interest???Sorry. Maybe I'm overthinking this, but thats definitely how ot comes off as of late, in regard to the latest chapters.
Okay, same anon as earlier - I take it back somewhat - we have Artemis and Hecate that are not defined by their romantic relationships - but rather their lack of one.
However the way they are shown - it still comes off as a standard - "Artemis is stingy / a stick in the mud" because shes not romantically involved and is "barbaric" (according to Hera). And Hecate is still somewhat defined by her being Hades' employee (and cheerleader for him and Persephone to be together).
So technically yes, we have at least 2 characters that are not defined by their romantic interests / relationships, but they are still held to the standard of their "un-ladylike / undesirable" because their not romantically involved.
(I guess I should count Demeter, but only because shes more defined by just being "Persephone's overbearing mom" )
7. i think whats also kinda weird about this trial is like?? persephone is obvs framed as not liking the attention (bc duh) but she didnt like the previous press either, she wanted to be private, but wouldnt being with hades force her to be in the spotlight that makes her uncomfortable? also the citizens of the underworld already dislike hades, why would they want a uncontrollable felon as their queen, even if she found innocent? idk the whole thing just makes the endgame less plausible, tbh.
8. love that rachel was able to find a random deity name to name her random nymph the greek word for "beans" meanwhile apparently cant google actual greek names for even one off characters? like andrew, ellen, george, alexis, damian, luke, phoebe, sophia, and so any other english names are also greek, but she cant even bother with that? what exactly is her "research" if she cant even bother to spend 30 seconds googling greek names? at this point LO seems determined to be as un-Greek as possible.
9. wait so everyone in LO went from having no idea who persephone was, to her only showing up on ONE magazine cover, to now being the most well known person with a signature color? all in the span of two weeks with no genuine public outings? how does that make sense? also white isnt even her signature color if 90%+ the female cast and even a lot of the men ((including ZEUS) all wear it too.
10. the fact the courthouse WASNT the areopagus, aka the place in greece where they say the first ever trial ever happened and where the court system was invented, is just another point of rachel talking out her ass about being "respectful" or "researched" on greece and their mythology. its literally one of the most famous mythology spots ever with some fantastic stories to it and she's just like "nah! boring rectangle will do!" like why even both with mythology then if its this devoid of it?
11. Anons are saying Hades in the FS chapter is leaning down and talking to Persy like a child. Say it aint true.
(I wanna see. I thought RS was finally giving Persy adult proportions). šŸ˜Ø
12. So wait, hold up. I kinda get where RS is coming from with the law school in the underworld (because Hades is supposed to be a kinda Judge, jury, executioner situation in the afterlife when it comes to mortals and their "punishments" and whatnot). However, is RS stating that the ONLY law school / courthouse exists in the underworld? If so, why? Why wouldn't Athena be there then. She's a goddess of strategy and justice (among other things).
Also is RS really implying that Hades owns not only the banks and underworld but the law too? She really wants Hades to be a Gary Sue along side her Mary Sue - Hades controls everything that matters and since its his realm and blah blah blah rules, Zeus, king of the gods cant do anything about it.
(Which is dumb. Because you would think that because Persephone committed the crime in the mortal realm / on, or near Olympus that therefore she would be brought back there to dole out justice under Zeus jurisdiction because she committed the crime in His Realm).Ā 
13. FP Spoiler ahead:
Why on earth couldn't the reporters have Greek names? There is so much wrong and bad with this story, yet this irks me so much. It is Brenda all over again.
14. i dont really get the point of the trial plotline, tbh. even persephone says she should be punished and held accountable, but hades is framed in the right for trying to go against that and weasel her out of it. so?? plus zeus has legit reason to punish them? persephone is a danger to others, demeter and hermes both committed treason to cover it up, and hades was harboring a fugitive of the law and is now trying to force the system to let her go. how is zeus in the wrong for this?
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if you ever wrote that rant about grrm making jon his chosen one deconstruction i'd be very happy to read it šŸ‘€
hello anon sorry for the lateness but here we go *deep breath*
sssooo, I had once ranted about it though not mentioning the thing I mentioned in those tags so lemme see if I can find the op and like... cp the main argument and amend it bc it was long, but okay so I found it, original anon asked me: why is Jon considered to be one of the most special characters grrm created? Why is he not the typical hero of fantasy books?, my original answer was here if anyone wants to go there but basically lemme just cp the first part making it shorter and then I'm adding:
first thing, the Typical Post-Tolkien Chosen One With A Shitty Life Before He Finds Out He Is Chosenā„¢ character (Iā€™m saying post-tolkien because every fantasy writer in existence who copies tolkien thinks that lotr went like that and instead it didnā€™t) usually goes through the following steps: his life sucks up until the beginning of the series, his family generally hates him/her or doesnā€™t appreciate them or abuses them or anyway doesnā€™t make their life easier and theyā€™ve never known any different, but *something* never quite worked right and they always knew something was missing in their life, they just didnā€™t know why. suddenly someone who knows they were Chosenā„¢ shows up and tells them that theyā€™re actually Special because of this this and that and they have a quest to go on to save the world or something. our hero/heroine obviously is finally validated and while their quest is hard and full of hardships and maybe they lose a few friends along the way, finding out that they were Chosen gives their life meaning, they usually find love/friends/everything they didnā€™t have before until they fulfill the Prophecyā„¢ and live more or less happily ever after, possibly after hooking up with the Person Of Their Dreams with whom they had UST up until the last twenty pages of the book. basically: being Chosenā„¢ in regular fantasy novels is a good thing because suddenly youā€™re special and all the crap you suffered acquires a new meaning and in the end it made your life better.
jon snow is a complete overhaul of about everything in this sense because
instead of having a family who hates him he has a family who actually mostly lovesĀ him, and with ned itā€™s arguably so much that he risks royal treason by keeping him hidden from his *best friend* - sure, thereā€™s cat and peripherally sansa, but his issues stem from the fact that he feels lesser because heā€™s a bastard (as far as he knows) and itā€™s a *class* issue, not a *my family hates me* issue not counting catelyn obv but that's what gives him freudian issues more on that in the emended part later
no oneĀ actually knows that heā€™s Chosenā„¢ - like mel could get there and probably will and someone will put two and two together when his parentage comes out in the open, but he doesnā€™t have a gandalf or mentor who shows him The Way Towards His Quest
so instead of going fromĀ ā€˜my life sucks but Iā€™m going on a quest which is gonna be a+ā€™ he actively chooses to leave a fairly decent situation (a household he knows, siblings who love him - ned actually hoped heā€™d become robbā€™s counselor or right hand man or something from what we can gather) because he feels like he has to prove heā€™s better than his name and goes to the Crappiest Place In Westeros. like idk if people grasp it, but the wall is basically a prison and at the ripe age of fourteen he decides that itā€™s totally a good and honorable choice (his only choice actually) to go defend the realm in the freezing cold along with a bunch of criminals/derelicts/rejects of society
at which point he makes friends among said rejects and letā€™s remember that itā€™s the point where he actually has to do his first an only privilege when donal noye made him go like hey you were brought up with nobles these ppl are here because they stole bread, and that helps making him more into the person he is rn but like your tyopical fantasy hero who has had a shitty life doesnā€™t usually have to acknowledge that other people might have had it worse
then he goes on the Quest where he finds his first One True Love, and thatā€™s where it turns even worse because usually the quest is where things start to go right for the Heroā„¢, instead for jon they start to go wronger, because first he has to go undercover which pretty much tests most of his belief/code system, he falls in love with a girl he has to betray, half of his friends and his lord commander die along the way, while heā€™s off doing his thing winterfell gets taken/burned and robb dies when jon openly stated that he also was going to the wall to defend his family and keep them safe (yeaaah worked out real well), when he goes back to the wall he has to fight the people he lived with for months, the woman he loves dies in his arms and he canā€™t do anything about it andĀ heā€™s aware it couldnā€™t have gone any other way, people put defending the wall on him and then put his loyalty in question, when stannis shows up with a legitimization (which is everything he ever wanted) he refuses because he doesnā€™t want to accidentally steal his siblingsā€™s inheritance (which was what cat was so worried about hahaha) and actively chooses the crappy defending the realm life all over again. also in all this time his being Chosenā„¢ hasnā€™t manifested or helped him in any way whatsoever - actually all his honor-moral code related baggage is what Ā moral dilemmas come from that. like, your usual chosen heroā„¢ would always take the right decision and it all turns out good eventually, jon takes the morally right decision and it all turns SOUR eventually
at this point he finally gets elected LC, thanks to his friends also pitching in, which is about the one fantasy heroā„¢ thing thatā€™s happened for now. should be good, yes?
lol no, because he ends up with THAT hellish responsibility at sixteen, since he thinks that he has absolutely to be even better than that nowĀ and he has very specific notions about how you should lead and he knows he has to take unpopular decisions/decisions that he doesnā€™t necessarily like, he ends up either having to send his friends away forreal (sam) or detaching from them (pyp/grenn/the likes) and when as far as he knows he learns that his sister is married to ramsay he canā€™t do anything about it
never mind that itā€™s the same situation as when he had to pick the watch or robb in book one - he went there to defend his family and now being there actually prevents him from helping them in person. ops. meanwhile heā€™s trying to implement a new vision of things which is modern and smart and actually makes sense because why fighting the wildlings when you have ZOMBIES coming. your usual Chosen Oneā„¢ would get people to approve just because heā€™s the Chosen One
instead jon gets stabbed to death - okay, that was also because he wanted to go get arya but it was the last straw, people were pissed over the wildlings plan first and foremost
so basically heā€™s gone through all the Chosen Oneā„¢ steps but in reverse - he loses his family which did love him instead of finding another one that makes the first pale in comparison, he does find a new one who loves him but has to alienate most of its members for responsibility reasons as a consequence of what should have been the crowning achievement of his life choices (which eventually is NOT one), he falls in love and they donā€™t drag the UST forever but they never get a chance to be together without small print in between, he chooses the admittedly most masochistic life he could for his family as well and half of them die and he canā€™t do a thing for the other half, every other mentor-like figure he runs into after ned dies, instead of finding validation he ends up having to isolate himself and on top of everything HE STILL DOESNā€™T FUCKING KNOW HEā€™S THE CHOSEN ONEā„¢
so instead of his life going better the more he learns stuff and matures as a person, he gets murdered. by the people he trusts and who were supposed to be his new family. haha?
never mind that when he finds out heā€™s the Chosen Oneā„¢ it wonā€™t bring him closure because all he ever wanted was being full stark like his father/siblings and then bam heā€™s going to find out his fatherā€™s actually targaryen and what does that even mean to him?
on top of that being AA will just be a pain because I donā€™t believe for a second heā€™s not going to get leftover ptsd and who the hell is gonna help him deal with it? or how is he ever getting over his *brothers* murdering him? and people are going to ask stuff of him all over again and heā€™s gonna have to go slay a mythical monster and if I know grrm itā€™s not gonna be fun, pretty or cathartic FOR HIM
on top of that, Chosen Heroā„¢ fulfills the prophecy and gets a realm to rule and everyone lives happily ever after. money is that if jon does get that realm (and I think he is because he has the best claim if he's legitimate and most likely it'll turn out he was on the targ side but ROBB also legitimized him so he has double the legitimization), heā€™s going to hate every second of it and heā€™ll take it because a) duty, b) literally no one else is available, and like this guy didnā€™t want to rule a realm or be a king or anything he just wanted to be a stark, and instead heā€™s going to have to after all that shit thanks to Magical And Noble Heritage he hadnā€™t even known he had and probably didnā€™t even want up to that point because since when jon wanted to be a targ? yeah since never
obviously I hope he manages to be somewhat happy regardless because the alternative is too miserable, but basically being a Chosen Heroā„¢ is what makes jonā€™s life worseĀ rather than better and the fact that hew went through all the regular self-discovery journey for the fantasy hero list doesnā€™t mean heā€™s not flipping that over in his sl. the fact that he stayed a decent person more or less throughout it and that he hasnā€™t turned into a bitter asshole also doesnā€™t change the main point XD
tldr: jon snow is not a typical fantasy hero because he deconstructs that trope into tiny little bits same as robb deconstructed the arthurian flawless king hero trope
now ^^^^^ THAT was what I originally wrote for that meta but adding on to what I said in those tags
okay so... there is a certain tendency to also make the chosen oneā„¢ special in the sense that he's kind of goals - good looking, rich or set to inherit, gallant, takes the initiative, he's like.. social or anyway immediately makes friends etc and all that jazz which jon... doesn't really fit
like jon is an introvert who immediately makes friends just with outcasts and his siblings also bc he feels like one but he's hardly a social butterfly and charms everyone wherever he walks by
I mean ffs says all that the only person he charmed in that sense is stannis who is the literal only person in charge in the books who is more introvert than him and has worse communication issues and appreciates ppl going straight to the point
on top of that in the book he looks like ned.... and arya looks like ned and ned isn't described as being particularly handsome that was brandon so he's not even like... I mean kit h. is v. pretty and I think he was a good choice for the role and I'll die on the hill that he was born to play that character and he did it well but book!jon doesn't have that kinda pretty face so the concept that he's the HOT alternative to anyone to me is kind of iffy bc he's not
he's shit at social interactions and at PR which is why robb and him would have been a key winning ticket like he has a better idea of the larger picture but robb would have actually made sure ppl didn't turn against them bc he actually was good at that but like he doesn't go around rallying armies in his name does he
the one time he's been with a girl it was ygritte and like he courted her without realizing it and then she had to pursue him and he barely knew wtf to do on top of the fact that they slept with ghost in the middle of them like a sword which..... is.... I mean sleeping with the sword in the middle was a thing to make sure the maiden stayed a maiden and he's the one who is like i CAN'T HAVE SEX WITH HER EVEN IF I WANT TO BECAUSE I'M TECHNICALLY SPYING ON THEM like... he's not... gallant-knight coded
never mind that the moment they do the do she basically does everything until he decides to try the oral which I mean... isn't exactly alphadominatingmale out of jon which is not a given with the trope he's supposed to represent like he's not smooth he's not suave he's like WHAT THE FUCK when ygritte tells him he has a pretty face bc most likely no one else told him that and he like... doesn't pursue people like that in general which is also not exactly 100% what that trope usually goes for
we can add that he has a lot of passive-aggressive little shit sarcasm in him that they didn't let him go for in the show but like... usually chosen heroesā„¢ don't think what he thinks about selyse in general
we can also add that he's not automatically above being better than his position like... he doesn't take winterfell bc ygritte is dead but he did think he'd have taken the deal sansa or not if stannis had said he could marry her and not val and if she wasn't dead, he basically went off the rails at the dude he was fighting with thinking about robb telling him that he couldn't be lord of wf because he was a bastard and he's absolutely not in the frame of mind of 'well I was born a bastard who cares it doesn't define me'
he's obsessed to the point of unhealthy with actually being defined by it which is why he was better off with the wildlings aka the only idiots in the realm who don't gaf about that
and that's like... I mean usually if chosen onesā„¢ have parental issues it's like 'you were an orphan and raised by asses who weren't your parents but your parents loved you and you'll find out at some point and you'll be happier for it and make your own family', jon is like... he has the mommy freudian issues of the century bc of how cat treated him, on the other side he's obsessed with living up to ned's/his father's name and he hates that it makes him not-belonging or that he feels like he doesn't even if he does with his siblings, and at the same time when the truth about it comes out he's going to get the cold shower of the century bc like - he's spent all that time thinking BUT DID MY MOTHER WANT ME WHO WAS MY MOTHER and he's going to find out of who it was and how he was born and honestly considering that lyanna most likely did regret running with rhaegar the moment he finds that out and that she died birthing him how is he going to feel? - also he spends his life wanting to live up to his 'father's' name aka ned aka someone known to be honorable to a fault and then it turns out his bio father is... the dude who started that entire rebellion not doing a very honorable thing? - also if jon*erys is a thing idt that he'd take 'I fell in love with my aunt' so nonchalantly as he did in the show tldr: he's never gonna get over his parental issues in a short time and when that particular brick hits him in the face it won't be pretty
like the entire point of jon is that he goes through all the chosenoneā„¢ cursus honorum as we'd call it in high school when studying latin but each step that means smth good for the usual chosenoneā„¢ to him is something bad, being one is not going to make his life better and throughout the entire thing he does not fit that stereotype when it comes to look, personality, basic traits and familial history and like hell he's going to have the happy ending tied up with the bow - like I think he gets a bittersweet one and eventually goes off with the wildlings bc he belongs there after being jon snow first of his name (bc like hell he's not reclaiming his bastard background at the end of this entire mess I'm eating my hat if he doesn't) after splitting the seven realms and fixing things but that's hardly the neat happy ending the chosenoneā„¢ usually gets so that's my two cents
... christ this was long *raises hands*
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swimfuel Ā· 3 years ago
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hmmm
i need to redraw my beloved terrifying prince of time rose strider with her 2xbladekind (very sure of this one, the twin long tactical knives mirrors her rolal wandkind PLUS the 2xbladekind vs dave's 1/2bladekind reflects how she "buys in" to bro's training more than dave before she kills him (post with similar vibes to what i mean here although i don't completely agree with it)]
aaaaaaand also her mamas boy brother dave lalonde and his saikind (? not sure abt this one yet but the defensive aspect of the sai fits with the knight of rageisms [and also not sure if i want to keep with the knight of rage part even though Thats What He Is because logistically it's kind of a nightmare? like i COULD go for a rogue of space/light to keep up with the thematics of it all butttttt... :/] and also a play on paint tool sai and Disappointed Sigh Under His Breath at momlonde's momlondeisms)
rose strider is very similar to dirk in a lot of ways but the striking difference is how ANGRY she is... dirk is an asshole who thinks hes the man in the chair but freaks out when he has to execute his Man In The Chair Final Plan whereas rose's worldview shifts and contorts to always fit her endgame plan which is to Kill Her Bro. [But, simultaneously, she hates the feeling that she's Fated To Kill Her Bro. she doesn't want to be told what to do, even by herself.] she idolizes him as a symbol of strength and what she needs to be to Kill Him while despising him as an example of what She Can Never Ever Ever Be (and also because he is abusive lol but she doesn't become fully cognizant that its Abuse and not A Competition for a while) (these are some of my ro-stri thoughts from foreverz ago:::::)
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dirkisms are soooo real there... and then theres my beloved dave lalonde :
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i read this kidswap thing i cant remember if it was a fic or a thread or what by @/0pacifica on twitter (his mom doesn't have eyes and they do yoga together im a rlly big fan) which inspired my whole train of thought that dave, in a situation where he's being ladled out love like hes the only motherfucker in line at a soup kitchen, is going to quickly develop a reliance on it.....and some more food for thought
dave here still carries some of the impatience and insecurity in his abilities, but instead of it being centered around masculinity he feels like he is responsible for keeping shit running
so in this case the knight of rage would be reticent towards accepting certain truths and strong emotions/anger in himself and would instead really understand them in the external sense
OHHH WOW AND THE FACADE OF HOPE RLY FITS WITH THE WAY HE INTERACTS W MOMLONDE
so yes he slays. he is also terrible and he slays
my basic idea for j-harley on the island is a girl obsessed with the idea of normalcy in a very similar way to how jake is obsessed with dashing adventures and the explorerisms... and that could tie into her transness in a lot of ways most significantly trying to emulate the lives she sees on her shitty early 2000s tv shows.... this is VERY hopecodedĀ 
jadebert is the best-adjusted person out there but theres obv room for depth so im gonna just leave the rest up to your imagination. like all these characters are so shaped by their circumstances that its hard to strip them down and see how theyā€™d behave in a completely different environment but its ESPECIALLY hard for me w/ jadey imo i have no idea how to approach this
i have some minimal thoughts on roxy strider OR roxy lalonde w/ dave-lal guardian and dirk lalonde OR dirk strider w/ ro-stri guardian as well but theyre so minimal like Soooo minimal so i wont put them here
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tintinwrites Ā· 4 years ago
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Sunday Morning With Pedro Characters but Iā€™m Only Slightly an Asshole to the Characters
I love Pedro and everyoneā€™s fics and headcanons for him and Iā€™m kind of nice in this one anyway.
Agent Whiskey
you have brunch every Sunday and yes it is at Dennyā€™s
itā€™s a little nice, though, listening to the mixed conversations of all the other people in the restaurant as the two of you quietly enjoy a meal
Jack keeps smiling across the table at you and it makes something in you flutter
ā€œYou make a man like myself enjoy Sunday morning like a black-bellied whistlinā€™ duck enjoys a quiet swim in the crick.ā€
youā€™re not sure how much a black-bellied whistling duck enjoys a quiet swim in the crick, but he reaches across the table to hold your hand over your Grand Slam and runs his thumb gently over your skin and you then understand everything about black-bellied whistling ducks
brunch is followed by a drive in that thing he calls a car
sometimes you go back to your or his place and canoodle (his words, not yours), but then there are times when he parks his car in a secluded little spot and youĀ ā€œcome across the goodsā€ (HIS WORDS, NOT YOURS) in the backseat
Sunday mornings with him are relaxed, but you are going to end up with your legs above your head thanks to that Southern charm
Comandante Veracruz
he sleeps in for an entire half hour
wakes you up with a smack to the ass so hard you wake up in another dimension
you mumble something to him about being a normal human being as he presses sucking, biting kisses along the side of your neck
ā€œYour breakfast is ready.ā€
you know exactly what he means donā€™t even pretend you donā€™t itā€™s pressing into your thigh
and you suck his dick bc itā€™s fun and it makes him real soft afterwards (in two ways!)
he pounds two orgasms out of you with his fingers then gets up to get ready for his day
Sunday mornings with him are sexual obvs and then you lay in bed watching him gel his hair until he pats your ass and tells you to get up
Dave York
heā€™s never in bed when you wake up and that includes on Sundays
always sitting over a desk working on something that he wonā€™t tell you about
it doesnā€™t really matter that youā€™re wearing his favorite sexy little nightgown and pouting in the doorway bc he doesnā€™t even look at you
ā€œGo for a walk or something, Iā€™m busy.ā€
you usually end up alone eating bland af eggs bc he doesnā€™t own seasonings since, and you quote,Ā ā€œSalt is spicy enough.ā€
but then he comes into the dining room with a self-satisfied smirk and he kisses your temple and takes you over the dining table real quick
do i mean quick
Sunday mornings with him are lonely and then sweaty...so sweaty...you donā€™t understand how he can sweat so much from thirty seconds of sex
Din Djarin
whatever the Star Wars equivalent of Sunday is, no one is the same with Din
sometimes youā€™re with him on a hunt for a bounty, sometimes youā€™re alone on the Razor Crest to watch the Child as he works, and then there are your favorites
no bounties, no running, just a handful of credits and some good food and lodging on the nearest good planet
ā€œHe likes it here.ā€
this is something Din muses as he watches the kid play with other younglings or explore or happily eat a new food
but sometimes you look up to find heā€™s staring at you as he says it and you wonder if heā€™s talking about himself without really telling you
youā€™ll probably tell him you love him on one of these days
Sunday mornings with him are different, but nice just because youā€™re with him. You especially like the ones where heā€™s happy and almost calm and letā€™s you in his room once the Child is asleep
Ezra
youā€™ve been up for an hour and heā€™s still passed out, face down in bed, snoring his head off
I donā€™t know ifĀ ā€˜noonā€™ exists in this world but thatā€™s when heā€™ll be up
youā€™re walking around doing what needs to be done when you see him looking up at you with a little smile
ā€œYour inimitable beauty is even more prominent in this morning light.ā€
you tell him itā€™s not morning and roll your eyes when he says heā€™s hard either way
he seems sleepy but he WILL jump out of bed if you try to walk away and drag you back in with him
yes he eats your pussy without you needing to ask him
Sunday mornings with him are lazy for him as you occupy your time, then both of you stay in bed all lazy until itā€™s time to go prospecting
FrankieĀ ā€˜Catfishā€™ Morales
the only way youā€™re waking him up before eleven is by wiggling your ass or hips into his dick, depending on the position you were sleeping in
he works hard and Sundays are his day where he does nothing but you
a little sleepy and mumbling things, heā€™ll take you slowly and sweetly
ā€œGā€™morning. So beautiful. You like that?ā€
heā€™ll make sure you both cum then promptly pass out for another ten minutes
he pads into the kitchen with his hair stuck up all over the place and wraps his arms around you from behind, kissing your neck for a few minutes before helping you make breakfast or lunch
you pretty much eat and bang all day
Sunday mornings with him are soft and sensual and the most loving thing e v e r
Javier PeƱa
you woke up alone before Javi and when you first started sleeping with him
you couldnā€™t really blame him for being scared of attachments in his line of work. you were scared too
then one day you were shaken from a stakeout and you begged him to stay when he was still inside you, and he started falling asleep in your bed a bit more often
ā€œYou need some good dick in the morning?ā€
he teases you with this when he's sitting up in bed, turned away from you as he takes a drag of a cigarette, and you crawl over to kiss his back
you needĀ him in the morning but you donā€™t want to scare him off
the two of you usually end up with some sort of pastry or street food for breakfast, which you eat in a comfortable silence
Sunday mornings with him are lonely even when heā€™s standing right there by the window with a cigarette or a drink, and yet he finally makes your Sundays enjoyable and fulfilling
Marcus Pike
heā€™s an early riser, but he letā€™s you sleep as long as you need to when thereā€™s nothing to be done
sometimes he accidentally wakes you up a little when heā€™s kissing your nose for the eight time and he quickly backs away to let you fall back asleep
he does try to wake you up before noon just to be sure you eat something, presenting you with some kind of breakfast whether he made it or bought it from the nearest cafe
ā€œHey, sleepyhead. You need to eat something, beautiful.ā€
you nibble on a doughnut or a bagel as you lean into his chest, and he mostly steals bites because it makes you laugh
morning sex with Marcus is the best sex with Marcus
okay any sex with Marcus is the best sex with Marcus because he cares so much about your pleasure but morning sex is so soft and gentle
Sunday mornings with him are like...a breeze on an empty beach with the waves crashing gently on the shore. Perfect. Also he wants to give you a life, and a home, and a family if you want it
Maxwell Lord
wakes up at six AM exactly, works on his hair until seven, and is in a suit and downstairs by 7:15
he reads the paper. the business pages. yes.
you come down to the kitchen at eight and as you gently tell his personal chef what youā€™d like to eat, he snaps his fingers at them to speed it up
ā€œSomeoneā€™s lazy today. Where are my slippers?ā€
heā€™s a fuckin jerk but hey he puts his hand on your thigh as you eat breakfast and maybe his thumb rubs little circles sometimes
your Sunday sex is scheduled for 9:30 and he will do it wherever heā€™s flexible and thereā€™s enough mirrors in the house for it to work for him
the one day of the week he decides you can orgasm tbh
Sunday mornings with him are rich. I donā€™t know how else to describe it. Itā€™s like being married to a rich man in 1954. Thereā€™s waffles.
Max Phillips
this man wakes up pretty damn early for a vampire thanks to his executive bullshit
an actual Sim who stands in front of the mirror for an hour practicing his speech
he finds blood to drink somewhere and you just let him as long as itā€™s not from you
ā€œSelling is service. Service is selling. Sex sells. Oh, hey!ā€
thatā€™s him realizing youā€™re standing there and thinking about sex with you
he mentions making a sex tape of the two of you to sell and you ask if he even shows up on film and the boy POUTS
a handjob fixes that tho so
Sunday mornings with him are...interesting.
Oberyn Martell
youā€™re probably still fucking from Saturday night
I donā€™t even know if days of the week exist in Game of Thrones thanks
there are other people in the room including Ellaria so itā€™s not just you and him alone
ā€œIā€™m starving for you.ā€
yes he eats pussy for breakfast and someone else is probably sucking on your titties
youā€™ll probably end up sucking his dick for your own breakfast
and youā€™ll be riding him too
Sunday mornings with him are like any other morning with him; fuckinā€™.
Pero Tovar
he wakes up an hour before sunrise
doing menā€™s work I DO NOT KNOW WHAT MEN DO
you wake up and make him his breakfast because thatā€™s what a good 1100ā€²s wife does
ā€œGood morning, woman.ā€
he eats like heā€™s angry at the food but you know he loves it
there wasnā€™t much to do back then so some good ole baby-making sex is next
then you cook his second breakfast duh
Sunday mornings with him are very Middle Ages.
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Do you think that a good chunk of Jiang Cheng's issues could've been solved if he just...had someone to talk to? At any point post-wwx? Like, I'm haunted by the fact that this angry lighting child is *alone*. At many points through the series, but especially at the end, when wwx has gotten some semblance of a family/support group that he's cobbled together, and Jiang Cheng has, what, his nephew? Maybe an advisor or two?? I'm sure being left alone with his demons while do wonders for him..?
oh god where do i even begin with this, i think this messaged opened a can of worms in my brain. but do i think that it would help jiang cheng tremendously if he had someone, like anyone at all, to talk to? of fucking course!Ā 
not even just post-wwx, a bit earlier too. i mean, there is a thing about jiang cheng, right? if we donā€™t count jin ling in this equation, jiang cheng is one of those characters - people donā€™t really enter his life, they just leave. in the beginning things werenā€™t exactly the best, but he had his brother and sister, and all three of them, even tho they were raised in a very shitty situation with a lot of unhealthy habits and dynamics, they loved each other dearly. so he had them and he had his parents just, you know, being alive. so his was as happy as he could be for, you know, a jiang cheng. and then people just started slowly leaving his life.Ā 
and i thought about other characters that had some communication issues in the show, but they got someone, who would help them or just make them want to be better, and the characters that popped up in my brain were our terrible brothers-in-law - jin zixuan and wei wuxian. they had (and have) their own issues (some more than others), but- thereā€™s a very important but.Ā 
for jin zixuan there were, i think, two very important people in his life, who helped him to not become a complete arrogant asshole as that seemed to be the only way to survive being a part of jin family. mianmian who was with him since childhood, i would imagine. in their interactions, i think, we can see that she could actually understand him and his intentions (sometimes even she would end up being really confused, but no shit, of course she would). and for jin zixuan, growing up in a family like that, it probably helped a lot to have someone who actually tried to understand him and stayed by his side. and second person is, ofc, yanli. yanli for jzx is this reason to get much better, because oh shit, he was scaring away the woman he loved, and that is not how you get her to marry you. so he had to overcome himself at certain points. and together, i think, they started creating a healthier and happier way of living for both of them, actually caring about each otherā€™s needs and feelings (and then nothing ever happened to them and they lived long happy lives, the end)
wei wuxian is actually also an example of what can happen when a person thinks that they have no one at all in this world by their side. you know what happened to him because he thought he was alone in the entire world? he fucking died. jiang cheng, obv, didnā€™t die, heā€™s too angry, his rage is his moving force, he just can't not keep on going. but yeah, then wwx came back and he had lan wangji, who showed him whatā€™s it like to have someone you can trust 100% by your side, wen ning, juniors, people just poured in his life and showed support. and it will take wei wuxian a all of fucking time to actually deal with his issues, but surely there is a base for that.
now jiang cheng. he isnā€™t completely alone, itā€™s true.Ā  he has jin ling and for him jin ling is the reason to be better. he tries his best to not be his parents and, honestly, is succeeding at this sport. but jin ling, of course, isnā€™t exactly a person suited for a role of someone to talk about adult issues with. he can be jiang chengā€™s anchor, sure, but jiang cheng is taking care of him. and heā€™s a kid. and jiang cheng need a friend. another soul that would get him.Ā 
and who could it be? wwx? even if (when) they make up in the future, i donā€™t think they are those people for each other, you know? nhs? again maybe in the future, but during those 16 years he was locked away behind his own wall of issues and problems and stuff. jzx? i would love for them to be friends and they could probably even get each other, but they simply didnā€™t have enough time.Ā 
and you know one of the saddest things, jiang cheng in his sect is surrounded by people who trust him and love him and care about him and would die for him. but jiang cheng doesnā€™t need a person who would die for him. he already got one. look what happened. and he doesnā€™t need someone, who would keep him in fear of one day hearing the wordsĀ ā€œthatā€™s what i owned to jiang sectā€. he has those people and itā€™s just not what he needs. jiang cheng never had a person who he could really feel was there just for him. (again, no blame goes to any of the yunmeng sibs for the situation that they were raised in. iā€™m talking about jiang chengā€™s feelings and his feelings only. not facts and othersā€™ feelings) and having a person who he could trust to just be there for him - that would probably help him a lot. but yep during the years when he needed that the most he was just alone.Ā 
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