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yes to all of this
we are completely suspending our disbelief - and what i love is that the show makes it very easy to do so because it presents the information as fact without ever letting on that it totally doesn’t make sense
love this show with all my heart
POI 02x21: Zero Day
Ok so 2 (two) people, @effervescent-mulder and @sameen-shaww , expressed interest in some thoughts on Zero Day. I didn’t take notes while watching and I’m not doing gifs because that takes more effort than I’m willing to put in at this point. But! For you two lovely folks and anyone else interested, here are some things about Zero Day.
The flashbacks! Omg! So much here.
1. The marriage proposal! I know logically that Harold did it away from their phones because he just didn’t want that conversation recorded, but it did cross my mind that maybe Harold thought the Machine would get jealous if it heard him propose to Grace.
2. The Harold & Nathan dynamic! I knew people shipped them but I didn’t get it. Now I get it. Still not my thing but I totally get it.
3. I am now DYING for the rest of Harold’s backstory!! Sedition and mayhem??? Using pseudonyms for so long that it’s not entirely a joke when Nathan asks if he remembers his real name???? Neeed moooaaarrrr.
There is much to be said (and probably it’s already been said, maybe in fic?) about Harold’s decision to call the cops on John rather than having an honest conversation with him about meeting up with Root. Like Harold knowing that John would absolutely not be ok with it and would likely try to stop him because John is terrified of losing Harold again just makes my Rinch sensors go ping! But also, Harold, you could try talking about it before you call a swat team on your boyfriend!
However that decision lead to two wonderful things:
1. The revelation that John put a tracker in Harold’s glasses!!! I had seen this in fic but loved getting to it in the show. Also, you’ve lost “people,” John? No, you lost Harold and it nearly broke you, you smitten mess of a man.
2. Shaw busting John out. We are going to suspend so much disbelief about Shaw not having to go through a metal detector to go see a detained suspect in a police station. And we are going to suspend that disbelief because the guns taped to her back was hot. The whole thing was very hot. Ya got me, tv show.
And speaking of suspension of disbelief: the Machine can only give out coded social security numbers but… can also create fake identities and hire a company full of people to print out its code and type it back in? But also it could do its core function of monitoring and analyzing all people everywhere while being wiped every night? It’s fine! We’re suspending disbelief because the show is good and has earned that. We’re in the computer science equivalent of magical realism and it’s fine.
Also, this is not the first time that Harold has been just hanging out in the park next to Grace’s house, completely out in the open. Like the odds of her seeing him see pretty damn high? This seems a bit at odds with the “she must think I’m dead!” thing.
But these are all thoughts, not criticisms because this was such a good episode. Really reminded me why I love the show.
What did you think about these things or the episode in general? Come say hi and let me know!
#and harold#harold deserves so much love#harold finch#sameen shaw#john reese#rinch#john reese x harold finch#harold finch x nathan ingram#nathan ingram#grace hendricks#harold finch x grace hendricks
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finch talking to nathan ingram’s son about nathan has the vibes of a widow talking to her kid about how much she loved her deceased husband. all im saying is that finch was deeply in love with him and they were married
#harold x nathan rights. all im saying#person of interest#poi#poi cbs#harold finch#nathan ingram#my posts#poiposting
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More Person of Interest x Fallout AU!
I said in my previous art post that if I kept thinking about this AU I would post more about it, and guess what, I've been thinking about it :)))) So here's a summary of what I've currently got for it (I say "summary" but this ended up really long oops)
John Reese
His backstory is practically the same as PoI canon except it all happened in the pre-War Fallout universe, with the CIA National Clandestine Service: Special Activities Division under the control of the pre-War Enclave. Him, Staton, and Snow still had their final mission in China, but their infiltration was more high stakes as it was during the Sino-American War.
After surviving the missile strike, Reese manages to return to the States and works to track down Jessica just like in canon, only his search leads him to the community of Sanctuary Hills near Boston. By the time Reese gets there, she's already dead.
He learns her husband Peter abused her/disguised her cause of death as a car accident, and avenges her the night of October 22, 2077 by disposing of Peter. The following morning, Reese, still wallowing in his despair and rage over not being there for Jessica, is still in their house when a representative from Vault-Tec shows up at the door. He ends up answering and is signed up for Vault 111 under Peter Arndt's name.
Just like in Fallout 4, the representative's timing couldn't be more perfect as the bombs start falling not long after. Although Reese is in a state where he wouldn't mind going out with nuclear fire, he's whisked off to Vault 111 with the other residents who've applied, enters just as Boston is hit, is provided a vault suit to change into, and is directed into a "decontamination" pod-- aka a cryopod meant for testing the affects of long term stasis.
Reese doesn't wake up until 210 years later when the Vault's life support systems are beginning to crash, and exits to find a bespectacled man claiming to have just saved his life and somehow knows his name is John Reese; not Peter Arndt as Vault-Tec's records claim. He also manages to convince Reese not to kill him over knowing all this and to instead join the cause he woke him up for.
Harold Finch
A researcher for the Advanced Systems division of the Institute, though oddly not everyone can agree whether he was brought into their fold from the outside, or if he's always been there. Despite being in Advanced Systems, his work is primarily for the Synth Retention Bureau as the sophisticated Machine he built and maintains provides them their mass surveillance of the Commonwealth, while also predicting potential threats and locating runaway synths with incredible accuracy.
Finch is also seemingly the only one in the Institute who has a modicum of sympathy for the "uncouth, unclean, and uneducated" masses above ground, considering he's secretly using his Machine to try and help the people of the Commonwealth-- even if those efforts conflict with the Institute's plans.
He's a very mysterious and private man; the more you learn about him, the less you seem to really know him. Finch will talk about places and factions outside the Commonwealth as if he's seen them with his own eyes/interacted with them himself, and yet will deny having done so. He'll even talk that way about pre-War events, unnerving Reese with implications that Finch is from his time.
The Truth: he was born around 2234 and raised Harold Wren in the Enclave alongside his best friend, Nathan Ingram, with the two building the Machine together at Raven Rock. When their creation (mostly Harold's creation as Nathan would admit) neared it's official completion in 2276, Nathan confided in Harold that he'd overheard the Enclave higher ups' true intent for it-- to merge it's surveillance and predictive capabilities into President Eden; effectively erasing the Machine's emerging identity and just making it a part of the pre-War ZAX unit.
Harold was seemingly unbothered, having suspected this was going to happen and already accepted it, but Nathan was less accepting. Vowing to save the "life" Harold had inadvertently created, he downloaded the Machine's code from Raven Rock's servers and split it between two portable devices -- a modified Pip-Boy and an eyebot -- so he could run away from the Enclave with it. Harold learned of this plan when Nathan gave him one last chance to join him, only for Harold to try and talk him out of it. His friend's mind was stubbornly made up, however.
Harold didn't let Nathan get too far from Raven Rock before finally going after him, unable to abandon (or be abandoned) by his childhood best friend. Nathan was so pleased, he immediately handed over the Pip-Boy, claiming Harold technically held more custody over the Machine, then took a few unfortunate steps right into a hidden landmine.
Harold woke up, head pounding and the back of his neck bleeding, with the eyebot beeping frantically over him. When he sat up, he saw that Nathan was dead and that the Machine was somehow still functioning despite the haphazard way it's code had been cut in half, warning him of imminent danger on the Pip-Boy's screen. The Enclave was already coming after them.
Though it was extremely hard to leave his best friend, let alone how painful it was to move, Harold got to his feet with the eyebot's help and limped to the closest settlement to get quickly patched up before leaving the Capital Wasteland altogether.
He spent the next few years wandering the greater Wasteland with the Machine as his only companion; getting the Enclave off their trail with a convincing dead body double, trying not to attract the attention of the Brotherhood of Steel or more deadly factions like Caesar's Legion, all the while coming to better understand the very thing he'd built.
When Harold learned of the Institute in the Commonwealth, he convinced their Director into letting him join, then uploaded most of the Machine into their servers to hide it from Enclave and BoS searching-- though he kept the most vital code on the eyebot and a back door in his Pip-Boy to shield it from the Institute themselves (all parts of the Machine communicate remotely via an encrypted radio station).
Having seen the greater Wasteland for what it was, Harold gained a sympathy he hadn't been raised with while in the Enclave; a sympathy he could see the Institute also lacked. So he elected to take matters into his own hands and improve it with the Machine. But they couldn't do it alone.
Thankfully, he had happened to read an old, pre-War Enclave record when he was younger about an exceptional agent named John Reese who'd allegedly ended up in Boston despite being pronounced dead on mission in China...
The Machine
Considered a "miracle" as it's the first AI of it's scale to be successfully created post-War.
It's eyebot hides in plain sight among the eyebots that patrol Diamond City when it's not with Finch.
In PoI canon, the Machine provides it's "irrelevant" numbers by listing letters that match up to authors on books in Finch's library, with the dewey decimal system becoming the target's social security number. That system is flipped in this AU; the Machine gives numbers that match up with books in the Boston Public Library (Finch and Reese's hideout, tho I can't decide if they left the super mutants in it to help with their cover lol) that spell out their target's name.
Okay great, they have a name, now how do they track them down without the internet? Well, the Institute with all its surveillance of the Commonwealth has a large database of "persons of interest" that Finch just so happens to be able to access (I think in F4 it's just lists their secret synth agents?? But I feel like they also listed off people they felt may cause issues... idk, if that's not canon, it is canon for this AU!)
There are names they receive that don't appear in that database however, meaning the boys have to track them down the old fashion way-- asking around until someone who knows the target tells them where they are. The Machine will help sometimes by providing a time and place where the target is most likely to appear next.
Obvs the names of every Fallout 4 companion comes up, either their own name or someone related to them. They also get all the names related to F4's main and side quests (as well as some PoI characters like Shaw).
Technically there already is a threat predicting AI in Fallout 4 (Predictive Analytic Machine aka P.A.M.) which the Railroad can gain access to. It's purpose pre-War was to predict when the bombs were going to fall, but it's more like a complex algorithm that requires human input to operate-- whereas the Machine is a proper thinking AI that takes in it's own input via surveillance in order to make it's decisions.
I like the idea of Finch becoming aware of P.A.M.'s existence when the Railroad is suddenly out predicting the Machine, and though the Machine is ultimately capable of out thinking P.A.M., Finch ends up "crippling" the Machine in such a way that it can only out predict P.A.M. so much to allow the Railroad to continue evading the Institute.
Bear/Dogmeat
Instead of finding him at the Red Rocket gas station between Sanctuary and Concord, he's been confined to the life of a Gunners dog. When Reese sees him, he can tell he doesn't like his "owners" considering he's acting stressed and is kept on a leash unlike this gang of Gunners' other dogs. Reese also finds the name "Dogmeat" mean (like how he didn't like canon Bear's former name, Butcher) and that's why he renames him when he frees him from the Gunners.
Bear answers to both Bear and Dogmeat, but Reese is convinced he's happier when called by his new name.
Root
A Wastelander originally from the Texas area named Samantha Groves. When she was very young, her and her mom were picked up by Caesar's Legion and were stuck with them for a time, until a moment for escape opened up. Her mom urged her to run west towards NCR territory, which Root did and allowed her to be rescued by the Followers of the Apocalypse.
Under their care and tutelage, she proved herself naturally talented when it came to computers and started coming into her own as an impressive hacker. She befriended an older girl named Hanna who was also under the FoA's care, but sadly she was abducted and killed by an NCR officer, with Root the only witness.
No one believed her when she said what had happened to Hanna, leading to her taking matters into her own hands and luring a gang of Fiends into killing her friend's murderer before leaving.
For some time after, Root traversed the Wasteland, earning caps mostly by being a shadowy assassin who made use of hacking computers whenever they were available. The further east she traveled, the more she heard rumours about the Institute, peaking her curiosity and leading her to the Commonwealth. Where she eventually learns of the most incredible thing she's ever heard of: a miracle of a god-like Machine watching over everyone in the area...
S2-16 aka Shaw
An elite SRB Courser who was personally trained by Conrad Kellogg (for those who don't know Fallout 4, he's basically Hersh and provided the special combat training used by the Courser synths of the Institute. If Hersh were in this AU, he'd just replace Kellogg, but I've decided to keep Kellogg instead).
Like I said in my art post, her partner M4-39 becomes a bit too infatuated with the Railroad (whom they're supposed to be enemies with) and goes so far as to give himself the name Michael before trying to defect to them. He tries to convince S2-16 to go with him -- who he had started calling Shaw instead of her designation -- but he's ambushed and gunned down by X6-88. Shaw is considered also compromised just by having been his partner, even though she wasn't into the idea of joining the Railroad, but X6-88 doesn't believe her.
Just like in season 2 episode 16 (see where I got her designation from haha), while Reese and Finch are trying to help her out, Shaw gets captured by Root who's wanting more information on the Machine-- though in this AU she's wanting a way into the Institute so she can get at it directly. But the only known way in is via teleportation. Each Courser has a relay chip in their brain that allows them to be teleported back, which Root threatens to cut out of Shaw if she doesn't give her another way in. Shaw's freed before that can happen, but later agrees to Finch's proposition that she have her chip removed (in a safe manner) to prevent the SRB from tracking her down.
The job of a Courser, for those unaware, is to hunt down and bring back escaped synths. In order to ensure they follow through with their orders, they are installed with emotional dampening programming to prevent them from sympathizing with their targets. Although Dr. Amari is able to remove her relay chip, she's unable to remove this programming, leaving Shaw just like she is in canon: mostly devoid of emotion (besides rage).
Free of the Institute, she officially starts going by Shaw in honour of Michael and turns to focusing on tracking down Root (in a toxic yuri way).
Joss Carter and Lionel Fusco
Both were members of Diamond City Security until Carter's display of detective work during one case impressed the Great Green Jewel's only detective, Nick Valentine, so much that he offered her a job as his partner. Ever since, she's worked as a part of the Valentine Detective Agency alongside the old synth sleuth and his assistant, Ellie Perkins.
She's drawn into working with Reese and Finch after Valentine's name is given by the Machine when he's locked up by Skinny Malone in Vault 114.
Although Reese becomes known as "the Man in the Vault Suit," he also becomes a suspect in Valentine's ongoing Mysterious Stranger case, leaving Carter to try and keep him off Reese's trail.
Meanwhile, just like in canon, Fusco is stuck on the opposite side of things as he's a part of this AU's version of HR; a collection of corrupt DCS officers (which is most of them) who work back door deals with Gunners and Raiders for chems and caps, while pulling all sorts of strings in Mayor McDonough's favour.
He's dragged into Reese and Finch's operations when the Machine gives them Piper Wright's name, as HR is obvs not a fan of Diamond City's famous nosey reporter. With Fusco under Reese's thumb, he manages to get HR off her case as best as he can, but it's tricky work with Piper not being one to give up a story that easily, danger be dammed.
A Few PoI Baddies
Speaking of HR, Alonzo Quinn is still it's secret leader, being both an Upper Stands resident and Mayor McDonough's advisor. HR is ultimately in McDonough's pocket and takes a fair amount of commands from him, so long as Quinn agrees to them as well.
Patrick Simmons, HR's second in command, is the head of Diamond City Security instead of just being an officer.
Elias operates out of Goodneighbor and gradually takes control of most of it's gangs, including the Triggermen. He has a deal with Mayor Hancock that allows him to operate on the promise he won't pose a threat to Hancock's rule, though who knows how long that will last. I kinda want to make him a ghoul just for fun... that and/or go really wild and make him the son of Eddie Winters...... idk
Control would be the head of the SRB, potentially having replaced Zimmer after he went off to the Capital Wasteland.
Samaritan would be an Enclave creation, likely built from pieces of the Machine's own code that may have lingered after Nathan and Harold escaped.
Annnnnnnd that's basically the framework of what I've got!
#person of interest x fallout au#<- i'll make a tag for this now just in case i do post more!#i've been working out how exactly reese and finch meet after reese leaves vault 111 which i might post as like a one shot#but other than all this ive just been thinking about how the main poi cast would interact with f4's companions#that and silly stuff like reese doing the silver shroud quest akdjshfkjasd#person of interest#fallout#fallout 4#john reese#harold finch#sameen shaw#root#joss carter#lionel fusco#long post#jen talks
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Characters as The Major Arcana Tarot Cards
Inspired by (x) All words are referenced or cited from these tarot sites (x)(x)(x)(x)
Words on these pictures are also listed below, and on [ao3]
Nathan Ingram: The Fool (Spontaneity. Innocence. Purity of action.)
The number: 0. All that was before creation; Nothingness. The spark that sets everything into motion. They take risks or walk toward the edge of a high cliff, but without them the journey will never begin.
Harold Finch: The Magician (Creation. Will power. Resourcefulness.)
The number: 1. They transform through the use of their will. They can use skills and intention to manipulate everything. They awaken and enliven whatever they pay attention to. They make one out of zero.
John Reese: Strength (Determination. Courage. Compassion.)
The number: 8, representing power from inner strength. They embody the purity of human spirit like The Fool. They share the same infinity symbol (8 on its side) with The Magician. They use love, kindness and brave heart to bring a balance of the aspects of themselves that are human, animal and divine.
Joss Carter: The Lovers (Empathy. Idealism. Choice.)
The number: 6. They stand at the crossroads. They carry the meaning of choices. This is a time to figure out what to stand for, to establish a personal belief system, and to stay true to self and be as authentic and genuine as possible.
Sameen Shaw: Temperance (Balance. Moderation. Connection.)
The number: 14. Archangel Michael, the captain of the armies of the spirit. The beam of light in a dark room. The drawn bow of the arrow of Sagittarius. They combine the power of opposite intensity. Their energy, passion, and purity are the shortest, surest way out of the prison of our personal limitations.
Lionel Fusco: Judgement (Redemption. Absolution. Inner calling.)
The number: 20. They know both good and evil, and must consciously make choices to attain balance in all situations. Through the integration of all parts of self, their spirit is cleansed and restored without any loss or addition. This is a time where their slate is wiped clean and to start over.
Root: The Hanged Man (Martyrdom. Lose to win. Knowledge.)
The number: 12. Like Odin, who hung from The World Tree for nine days to earn the knowledge of the universe, they choose to become vulnerable and open to the physical world, in exchange to be granted the power and freedom in the spiritual world.
The Machine: The World (Wholeness. Fulfillment. Eternity.)
The number 21, mirrored The Hanged Man’s 12. They point to the presiding wisdom which upholds life on this and all worlds. Their wand came from The Magician, but it has now multiplied, and the need to ground its magical power has vanished because it has become one with its source of power. The journey is over, and the next is only beginning.
#person of interest#rinch#nathan ingram#harold finch#john reese#joss carter#sameen shaw#lionel fusco#root#the machine#dynamic: harold finch and the machine#dynamic: root and the machine#imadestuff#poi meta#poi zero day#poi .exe#poi wolf and cub#poi C.O.D.#poi the devil's share#poi aletheia#poi return 0#tarot
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its still funny to watch lost and person of interest at the same time. seeing the ben and goodwin drama, then watching poi and seeing the same actors playing the closest of best friends. especially through the “poi is just a lost flash sideways” perspective, its like their relationship healed in the next life
#they’re cute to me ok#fr they were in love on poi#they even had a kid together they were married ok#benjamin linus#harold finch#goodwin stanhope#nathan ingram#harold x nathan#lost#poi#lost x poi#my posts#lostposting#poiposting
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Not For Sale
read it on the AO3 at http://bit.ly/2UFkAuZ
by MulaSaWala
Nathan just wanted to get Harold a present. Harold just wanted to go home.
(John wanted and got a very merry christmas.)
Words: 1115, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English
Series: Part 1 of DBH x POI Crossovers
Fandoms: Person of Interest (TV), Detroit: Become Human (Video Game)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: M/M
Characters: Harold Finch, Nathan Ingram, John Reese
Relationships: Harold Finch/John Reese
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Different First Meeting, Meet-Cute, Tooth-Rotting Fluff
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[RFR现代AU 奴隶主Finch x 奴隶Reese] Live with Me (与我同处)
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by daiwei
现代背景AU,没有机器,假设奴隶买卖仍然存在;标题取自原剧S01E03bgm: Live with Me by Massive Attack. 奴隶主Finch x 奴隶Reese 攻受未定;基本上就是嘴硬心软的Finch和Reese一同生活的故事,不虐(最多虐身不虐心)。
Words: 2467, Chapters: 1/?, Language: 中文
Fandoms: Person of Interest (TV)
Rating: Mature
Warnings: Rape/Non-Con
Categories: F/F
Characters: Harold Finch, John Reese, Nathan Ingram
Relationships: Harold Finch/John Reese
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