#hanging-with-the-horrorterrors

[thewertsearch]

Scratch really doesn't get it at all, does he?

Yes, Scratch, Slick absolutely does want to kill Snowman - but I encourage you to examine your assumption that he can't also want to kiss her.

You see, the problem is that when the subject of Carapacian romance is broached, your considerable puppet intellect-

EB: do you know if rose is ok? EB: did it work??? CG: SHE'S FINE. CG: SHE WOKE UP ALIVE ON DERSE.

And she’s still Horrorterror-boosted, which is not a good sign. Evidently, even death wasn’t enough to break her dark pact, and it's clear the Gods aren't done with her yet.

Hey, at least she’s no longer in Grimdark Mode. I’ll take my victories where I can get ’em.

CG: THAT'S THE RULE, JOHN. YOU KISS A DEAD PLAYER IN TIME, AND THEIR DREAM SELF TAKES OVER, ASSUMING THEY STILL HAVE ONE. […] EB: it would not have worked on my dad then? EB: or rose's mom… :( […] CG: IS THAT YOUR GAME, EGBERT. HAVE YOU HAD YOUR EYE ON MADAME LALONDE, AND YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A CONVENIENT RESURRECTION OPPORTUNITY TO BUST OUT YOUR MOST PASSIONATE SMOOCHMOTIFS KEPT IN RESERVE? […] EB: i am frankly pretty upset about finding them dead in the magic castle, and i guess i was wondering aloud if something could have been done.

Hang on, let me whip out the ol' Johnspeak translator again.

CG: WE CAN'T HAVE YOU GETTING ALL MOROSE WHILE WE'VE GOT SO MANY IRONS IN THE FIRE. CG: FUCK, LOADED PHRASE, FORGET I SAID THAT.

Pfffft

Alright, Karkat, you're forgiven.

[ender--slime]

freaky sweater hang out day!!

CONSORT AND HORRORTERROR SWEATER PREORDERS have been EXTENDED and end MAY 21st!!!

[homestuck-iconz]

honk :o)

hi how're you doing

can i pls get a classpect analysis for an heir of rage (it's me i'm the heir of rage)

(derse) heir of rage analysis coming fresh from the oven!

so to start off simple; heirs generally embody their aspect, passively altering it. rage is the aspect of anger and unpredictability. naturally, a heir of rage would embody anger and unpredictability, altering it and influencing the rage of others around them.

our example of a heir in canon: june egbert. june is the heir of breath, and embodies freedom--- powerwise, she is able to physically transform herself into wind as well as manipulate it to move the way she wants. in terms of her personality, she tends to go along with the flow, just doing what she's told to do by others. her power of retcon plays into this too, allowing her to free herself from the narrative and arguably free her companions from the doomed timeline of game over by resetting it.

our example of a rage player in canon: gamzee makara. gamzee in canon is unpredictable, being kept pacified by his sopor slime until he runs out, at which point he kills two of his teammates in a fit of anger. throughout the whole game, he does unexpected things--- spriting his dead friends, getting to earth c early and raising caliborn (somehow).

derse dreamers generally gravitate towards rebellion; they reject the expectations set on them by the game and by the people around them, and usually end up taking an unconventional path to beating the game/their land quest/godtiering.

rose is the most particular example of this. instead of following her land's quest, she ignores it and focuses on finding information in her own way. this leads to her seeking answers from the horrorterrors, who reside outside of derse, and ends with her going grimdark. in the end, she abandons her planet and its quest entirely, instead trying to destroy the green sun; it's ironically through this that she ends up godtiering.

with all these in mind, your heir of rage would either embody unpredictability and/or anger depending on which part of the aspect they're more bound to. they might be exceedingly random or convince others to do things for arbitrary reasons. they could also have a short temper, and might be good at making people angry (i.e manipulating their rage) either purposefully or on accident.

they would be extremely averse to the game and its "plan" for them, which would pair well with their anger. they might be a contrarian, disagree with people just for the sake of disagreeing. despite this, they wouldn't necessarily be all around bad to hang out with--- they could be a go-getter, or inspire others to take action when something is frustrating them. they would make good rebels against unjust systems.

(and as always reminder that that a player's personality is also dependent on factors other than their classpect, and making your classpect a big part of your identity sometimes ends up hurting the player (vriska) as much as it can be freeing for them (aradia)!! thank you for the ask hope this was useful ^-^)

[mindfang-srevenge]

Homestuck Kids and Which TMA Entity They're Associated With: A Second List By Static, with ADDITIONAL NOTATION That None Of This Is An Insult to Anyone

Read the first of these, featuring the OG troll gang: here

John: Desolation, and hear me out. Much like the argument I made for Sollux, everything gets ripped away from John over and over again. He loses his world, then his house, then his LIFE, then his DAD, then his FRIENDS, then his LIFE (again). John is continually losing everything he cares about, and it forms a weirdly core part of his character, especially considering the fact that he keeps repressing that loss and presenting a chipper face over it.

Rose: Eye. Rose is all about finding secrets (how she fell in with Doc Scratch) and breaking the game in the most interesting way possible. She stumbles across the game because she's looking for information about how to bring Jaspers back. She's constantly looking to shed light on secrets and discover answers, which is definitely eye-aligned. She's even willing to make a pact with the Horrorterrors to find out information about the Green Sun and the end of the game, which makes her an avatar in my book.

Dave: This might just be the overarching entity for all Time players, actually, but Dave-- much like Aradia-- is End aligned due to his reoccurring fascination with dead things. The man outright admits it several times-- he's just as fascinated by death as she is, with perhaps even a more morbid tilt than traditional archaeology. He's also a time traveler, which makes him continually privy to information about how the others will die unless he does something (with Davesprite as a noteable example). If he took on a more passive role (Knights are an active class) I think this might present itself a little more heavily, much like Aradia's connection is more prominent. Basically maybe aradia and dave should just hang outsometime they might be friends ahave we considered this yet hang on wait where are you going---

Jade: Vast, but heavily influenced by the Lonely. We can't talk about Jade without discussing the heavy influences that her isolation has had over her life, but her powers align so heavily with the Vast that that isolation takes on an entirely different context. She's separated from everyone but Bec by vast expanses of ocean. She has the ability to make things Vast or not-Vast by virtue of being a Space player. She is, once again, separated from everyone during the Yard by vast expanses of paradox space. She is continually alone, but in that alone-ness she's physically isolated, which overall pushes her from Lonely to a proper Vast categorization.

Jane: Extinction. In the alpha timeline, Jane is the herald of the end, but she's more than that. She's the heiress to CrockerCorp, the establishment that will eventually fucking TERRAFORM the entire earth-- which, if that doesn't classify as an extinction-level event, I don't know what does. Jane's also our introductory character for a dead session, wherein all of the consorts are literally extinct. Really the CrockerCorp stuff is more important, though-- Jane oftentimes remains loyal to the company, even going as far as to restart it on Earth C, despite what CrockerCorp has previously been responsible. She's constantly a herald of change, and death.

Roxy: Dark. It's low-hanging fruit, sure, but she's heavily textually involved with the obscuring of information. I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER, although I cannot find the text sources for it, that when she's drunk, Calliope can't see her, which is VERY Dark-aligned. Roxy's methods are also obscured, since she's a void player, and she's a Derse dreamer, which means her mental state is . . . also pretty dark, if just metaphorically. Due to her position in the retcon, as well, Roxy's past is obscured, lost to another universe entirely.

Dirk: This motherfucker is hard to sort, but in a pinch I think I'd say Stranger over Web. He does have definite ties to the Web-- if it were a thing in TMA, I'd say he serves both simultaneously, but that's a purely fanon construct so we're gonna play it safe. Dirk is constantly hiding his true self behind layers of masks, mirrors, and splinters. Nobody can every talk to the real Dirk Strider-- instead, they end up talking to Hal or DreamGhostDirk or some other similar entity. The puppet stuff draws into this, as well-- the original Lil Cal is Dirk's, before LE takes over the body, and Lil Cal is a horrorshow of Stranger imagery. (He's also just a horrorshow) Dirk is obsessed with building almost-human constructions (see Squarewave and Sawtooth), as well as hiding behind these constructs to conceal himself or his motives. Overall, Stranger, with heavy ties to the Web.

Jake: Lonely. Even when he's around people, Jake has trouble connecting. Whereas Jade is separated physically, Jake is also separated socially. He can't seem to make the relationship with Dirk ever work out (even if a chunk of that is Dirk's fault). He can't talk to Jane about anything, ever, especially that he's not interested in her.

[davekat-sucks]

I read your ideas for your yt channel vids and I gotta say feferi is SUCH a wasted opportunity. Like the fact her mom is a horror terror alone is so cool- why couldn’t one of the beyond cannon episodes focus on how she convinced them to make the dream bubbles? Why can’t we have her and rose have a chat about them the way she got to have a chat with Jade earlier in hs? Even plot and major lore connections aside she has such a funny, weird relationship history with the rest of the cast, if they’re gonna go for mellodrama why not go for her weird sollux eridan dream bubble love triangle thing. And all of this would have been easy bc apparently ghosts were just showing up in candy/meat (iirc that’s how jade’s corpse got possessed by Alt calliope but I don’t keep up w the epilogues much). It’s just idk, super disappointing. Especially since fandom loves to water her down to fish puns, if they remember her at all.

Feferi should have talked to Rose when it comes to Horrorterrors too. Maybe have a payoff on why Feferi had come to Jade's dream and tell her she was DEAD. Feferi also DID create the Dream Bubbles, as her wish was to have an afterlife for her friends. Gl'bgolyb granted her wish because she was nice enough to feed her (unlike the Condesce). However, the guide for the Dream Bubbles was taken by Aradia for one reason or another. Aradia would seem to be hanging with Horror Terrors too in Pesterquest, despite that the close connection should have been with Feferi. And by Epilogues/HS2/Beyond Canon, the Dream Bubbles is said to be destroyed by the black holes. Which means Feferi's place for her friends after they died, both doomed and the actual timeline, was for naught. Sure the ghosts seem to have arrived on Earth C in Epilogues, but we don't know what they do on that planet. Like do they live a regular life as ghosts just hanging around? Could they interact with the real world and do things like get a job? Could they be destroyed from exorcism or other means? Would they even take part of the current war between Karkat and Jane? Maybe Feferi could do something like facing against Alt Calliope since she was the one who made said black holes. She could go be friendly with Roxy and also be suspicious of the Calliope with her. She doesn't even get to say anything as Fefetasprite^2 even in the Vriska hell visual novel because people love her for being just a JOKE CHARCTER of only saying 3833 < 383 because being a cute silly girl is the only known trait for Feferi and Nepeta.

[norts-trolls]

nebulus viscot is so fun <:3c I would love to give them a friend or moirail,, evaporates

Well considering he's pretty friendly that's not a hard thing to do at all. Now that being said he was raised mostly in the circus scene, specifically The Ring Leader's branches so his level of normal social interactions is a little skewed.

As for a tip to get into any sort of friendship or moirailegence? A very quick and strong ice breaker is just liking his little brother Bengal. Family is really important to Nebulus and he's already lost his older brother so he's making sure not to lose the baby sibling too.

Pale ♦

A buddy pal friend chum who he can perform with or just hang out with after shows. Being the poster boy of the circus is hard work and often comes with a lot of Envy and sabotage even if he has a lot of fans. Having a genuine friend in his corner is great, having a genuine friend that works with him and is silly with him is even BETTER. As mentioned before he gets a little quirky at times thanks to his upbringing and admires The Ring Leader's ideals a lot. Which could mean he sets a guy on fire if they so much as speak rudely to his potential moirail.

His moirail would also probably have to be okay with handling said fire. His chucklevoodoo sometimes acts like a match to a power keg if the eldritch signal is too strong. I should add that, the Viscot bloodline are sorta like telephones for Horrorterrors however Nebulus' chucklevoodoo is basically spam call blocker. Which can sometimes manifest as purifying flames from blocking the call. Or cause him fits of derealization depending on the level of said "call" either way he will need someone to calm him down.

[sburbian-mechanics]

SBURB Info: Part 1.75, Froggernet Groups Part 2

I'm back!!!!! Here are more of everyone's beloved and beloathed froggernet juggernauts. If you're looking for an interesting site, or maybe some Great Game Theory, this place is full of groups and factions to pledge your allegiance to. I guess nothing really is new in Paradox Space! Previous Part Found Here

Redgear.net: A…interesting site that was originally created to provide strifing techniques and strategic combat discussion to the general masses. Along the way, it became a hotbed for Berserkers and Entitled Assholes who somehow manage to Not Die despite going against every point the game ever made. It’s annoying as hell to navigate, and has perhaps too much anonymity, but unfortunately, it tends to be the only place where a lot of the more obscure or mechanic-based SBURB info is found. Alas, I unfortunately have an account here, and I regret it every day.

Classpect.com: Yeah, this is exactly what it sounds like. A website all about disscusion and anyalsis of everyone's favorite mythological roles. What can I say? People love classpects. Honestly, it's been kinda interesting to see the different factions and philosophies growing here- it's kinda like all the old philosophy schools I used to read about as a kid. They're petty too! Just as the ancestors would have wanted. Go Platonic Aspect Theory! Fly in the face of those dirty Deterministic Truthers! Ah. Discourse. The thing that unites us all.

Wayfarers of the Outer Ring: So you know how traveling Paradox Space is super dangerous? Well, it's also super fun, at least to these guys. Full of wandering souls, adventurers, and those looking for a priceless artifact, Paradox Space may be virtually unnavigable but it's technically possible, so here comes the adrenaline junkies! Although I may be making fun of this group a bit, they're no joke. I wasn't kidding about the priceless artifacts- Paradox Space is full of slowly decaying sessions and odd remnants from both the past and future. There are great and terrible powers banished here, hopefully lost to the void. But these guys? They'll risk life and limb to find that treasure, perhaps to change the multiverse forever. Who knows what they'll find, or how they'll use it? Who knows what is drifting in a space beyond time itself? It keeps me up at night. Sometimes.

HorrorTerrorTeaParty: You know those eldritch monsters that whisper to you in the depths of Derse? Turns out, they're really not that bad. As one of the only sites with built-in mortal mind protection, this funny little corner of the 'Net is all about hanging out with the embodiment of the end times and maybe playing Minecraft with them. It's really chill here, and honestly super fascinating to interact with the Horrorterrors in a nicer environment. They are really not all That Different from the rest of us sapients, if you ignore the whole infinite knowledge thing. This place also serves as a great place for Horrorterror and Infohazard Advocacy Groups, and a lot of helpful info on Grimdark. However, it's mostly just a protected chat client that prevents involuntary psionics from affecting other's minds. I still highly recommend though! Especially if you have some curse placed on your communication through speech or text. This can be a sneaky workaround! All the better to beat the game with.

Sapiformers: Upon getting your own planet, most people just remake their own species. This is pretty obvious, given that most people would not like to be an endling of an extinct culture and species. Additionally, making a new culture and species is really, really hard. Extensively complicated. Challenging, even. Oh. Oh NO. That's right! If you've ever wanted to play Spore (human thing) irl, here's the group for you! Extremely opinionated and picky people, (who hate being associated with Frogseeders more than actual Frogspawners,) these guys make spreadsheets on planet planning and tier lists on which biological features contribute to the most or least harmony. Frog, they can be control freaks at times, but some of them are actually really cool. I mean, if you're a god, might as well create something wonderful, right? Just please remember that they are sapient people with agency, even if you made them. Forgetting that is a dark, dark path to becoming a Frogseeder, dictator, and then a Just corpse.

Refractals: Lore. We all love it. Or at least, most of us do. However, SBURB has a complex time-crossed swan pond of lore, which is never consistent or explains its own existence. Just why is the Green Sun there? What are the constant traits of the Carapacians culture? What does that say about them? The game? For the love of Frog, Who Made The GAME?? Yeah. When you have questions about what it all means, it's the Refractals who search for the answers. Fevorous about cataloging every connection or hint, they are the ones with the red-stringed corkboard of Game Theories. Shame they don't actually care about the mechanics of the Game, just why they are there or what it means. Means to who? Them, I guess. But they'll claim it's about finding the meaning of the universe or whatever. Trying to find a peg to every hole reeks of a fool's errand to me, and although some of it is interesting, most of their "theories" are just rampant speculation. I don't think we'll ever really know all the mysteries of Paradox Space. But I guess I can't blame them for trying.

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How am I still not done??? This post has been long enough. Part 3 coming soon I guess. There are way too many groups on Froggernet!!

[autumnalwalker]

Heads Up Seven Up Tag

Thank you for the tag, @winterandwords.

Passing the (pressure free) tag to @oh-no-another-idea, @rickie-the-storyteller, @on-noon, @sarahlizziewrites, @tc-doherty, @theroseempress, @ahordeofwasps, and the usual open tag for anyone else who wants to participate.

From chapter 21 of Empty Names:

A custom ringtone that Eris hasn’t heard in years plays over the van’s speakers and cuts off her question.  She doesn’t need to look at the caller ID displayed on the dashboard console to know who it is.  A part of her is surprised the caller still has her number, but then again, Eris still has hers.  And the two of them do still speak from time to time.

She considers letting it go to voicemail.  Or even hitting the button to hang up altogether.  She has more important things to focus on right now than a phone call from an ex who might have been trying to flirt with her a week ago.

An ex who wouldn’t call unless it was an emergency.  An ex who, if she really wanted to get back together, would more likely rope mutual friends into arranging a “chance meeting” where they would “just so happen” to have the opportunity and reason to do something romantic together like walk through a botanical garden, fix an engine together, or fight each other until they can barely stand.  An ex who would drop everything if Eris were the one to call.

Godammit.

“We’ll talk about this later,” Eris says to Road before tapping the green call icon on the dashboard screen.  “Yo, Gretchen, I’m driving right now with Road, so I’ve got you on speakerphone.  What’s up?”

With any luck, knowing Road’s on the line should keep Gretchen from trying to dredge up old relationship history that Eris is even less in the mood to deal with right now than normal.  And if it really is an emergency, it will be good to keep Road in the loop.

“Great,” Gretchen’s voice says through the van’s speakers, “that saves me the trouble of making a second call.  Do either of you know anything about non-euclidean, shifting, tesseract-esque architecture of the sort Lovecraftian horrorterrors like to make nests in?”

[sntechsupport]

Hey, I have a few questions about whatever the fuck just happened.

Why did our session still generate when we all died trying to enter

Why were all our dream selves sleeping in crypts in derse and prospit's cores instead of being dead in normal towers on moons containing more normally-placed crypts

Why were the moons completely missing

What the fuck is a dream bubble

Why the fuck could one of my co players control an alchemized rc drone from outside the session using a dreamed-up remote controller

Ad 1: Being dead doesn't stop you from playing, as you have found out by now.

Ad 2: Upon death of the Waking Self, the Dream Self begins stops shoving signs of life (despite it not being dead) and the Carapacians consider it to be dead. They move all Dream Selves they consider dead (whether truly dead or not) to the Crypt in the Dream Moon's Core.

Ad 3) Dream Moon Moons (Prospit Moon and Derse Moon) are a starting location for the Dream Selves; they hold the Dream Rooms and some introductory NPCs. However, if all Dream Selves from on Moon are moved to the Crypt before they can Wake Up, the probability that the Dream Rooms get even visited and the intro NPCs spoken to are basically null (we ran statistics on this). Game saves power and memory and just deletes them. You can re-spawn those locations if you want by checking Enable Pointless Areas and then refreshing the game.

Ad 4) Dream Bubble is where ghosts go from the Incinisphere. AKA: If you die in game and you don't have a Dream Self, this is where your consciousness is moved to. Dream Bubbles are not a part of the game, they were made solely by the Noble Circle of Horrorterrors. As Dream Bubbles are space pockets made to withhold conscience, their "geografy" is an external projection of your thoughts... and of other people's thoughts as they collide. That doesn't shift as much as you'd think; once you your senses perceive something, you tend to subconsciously think about the thing more, therefore reinforcing its existence in the Dream Bubble. Funnily enough, the Dream Bubbles hang on "Sleeper Code" like the Dream Selves, which means that if you are sleeping and do not have a Dream Self, your consicousness gets temporarily moved there too.

Ad 5) That sounds like a Resistance Aspect Player bullshit. Happens. Be grateful.

Sincerely

SN Tech Support (Gear)

[thewertsearch]

Rumbled!

TG: was havin important chats GG: Oh? GG: With whom? […] TG: di stri

Which would have ruled out my guesses of Dale and Drew. I still think I'd have gone with Dick, because of the, uh, everything, but Hussie decided to avoid the low-hanging fruit this time around.

GG: […] I was just the target of another assassination attempt. […] GG: Two, in fact! One here in the real world, as I attempted to retrieve the mail. GG: Luckily it was thwarted by a certain cat who shall remain nameless. […] GG: But in the process of being rescued from the explosion, I was knocked unconscious. GG: And in my dream, there was another assassination attempt. GG: This one I believe was successful! […] GG: I'm becoming convinced that our "dream selves" are being picked off by violent hooligans. […] GG: The one who accosted me was a knife-wielding lunatic. GG: And it's reasonable to deduce the same forces were responsible for Jake's death on Prospit as well. GG: It looks like we are in the clutches of an actual caper. A real life mystery!

It's funny that she's being so twee about this whole thing. Describing her attempted assassination as a caper makes it feel like a Nancy Drew mystery - and honestly, if Jane's going to treat Sburb's intrigue as if she's the protagonist of a detective story, I'm all for it.

I mean, we need this sort of thinking, don't we? We need someone to absorb the facts of the case, detect their way to the culprit (English), and discern means, motive and opportunity. With Jane spearheading this 'investigation', we might finally trace things back to the ultimate source of all our problems.

GG: Shortly before I was stabbed, I had a rather long gander at Skaia. […] GG: I saw things in the clouds. […] GG: Things happening in the future, I think. GG: Many events pertaining to us. All of us, and other people I didn't recognize. GG: It was a bit overwhelming. […] GG: It made me feel pretty foolish too. […] GG: I began to wonder why I ever had the audacity to think I know much of anything about the world we live in or the journey we're about to take. GG: Or to think I could ever rule anything out. GG: I have a feeling that whatever I saw, it means you've been telling the truth all along.

It's almost as if it's easier for your mind to comprehend the truth when you're asleep. It's as though your Dream Self's brain is free of the Tiaratop's corruption, allowing you to finally blow the cobwebs off your - artificially sedated - sleuthing instincts.

GG: And I'm starting to feel like a complete idiot for doubting you. […] GG: I've been one great big horse's caboose, and I think you're owed an apology. GG: Do you think you can forgive me? TG: jane TG: damn TG: ur makin me feel like shit here GG: Why? TG: uuuun TG: eh no reason

Can’t think of what this could be, to be honest.

Roxy seems entirely above board, and there's no evidence that she's, like, secretly working against Jane or anything. Maybe this is when her allegiance to the Horrorterrors is finally revealed.

TG: what were we talking about again TG: soory im just worked up ovr it GG: I don't blame you. GG: Where we were, by my estimation, was a place wherein I was about to awkwardly attempt to swallow a helping of humble pie. GG: To somehow make it up to you for my years of stubborn mistrust. TG: hey jane TG: wasnt that a bunch a splip infinitives… […] GG: Oh!!! TG: lul so busted GG: Oh gosh, what a doofus. GG: You see?? I clearly don't have all the answers! GG: I really had some nerve challenging anyone, on practically any subject. TG: dont beat urself up too bad we both know that rule is bullshit anyway TG: you hold yourself to too high a standard and those standards kinda leak out and start gettin applied to other people i guess sometimes

Does she? That's not really something I've noticed. Sure, she's corrected a couple of typos, but beyond that, I don't see what standards she's been applying to everyone else.

I suppose she's probably been telling everyone to be 'rational', and ignore this silly Batterwitch conspiracy, just like she does. But is that really a 'standard'?

[almostourgalaxy]

comin back in for more religion talk esp the bein cherubs but Not Really Anymore

Answwvering that second half first. In GD canon, because it's more of an ovvwerhaul of HS than anything else at this point, SPURB and SGRUB wwvere created by The Watchers, the precursor race to Cherubs, wwvhich are more feral descendants to them. They wwvere basically Gods, spawwvned into existence in pairs, existing beyond reality.

Tieid and Raom are the Last Watch. They do not recall the fall of the others, but they wwvere among those that made The Game, in a desperate bid to Recreate their lost wwvorld and species. They, specifically, wwvere the Beta Testers.

They created the HorrorTerrors/Squidles, and the furthest ring, wwvhich in GD servvwes as their shared den.

The angels of The Land Of Wrath And Angels are their messengers in the game itself.

Cherubs in GD are not solely Time or Space bound, they come in pairs of all aspects. Time and Space, Hope and Rage, ect. Hell, Tieid and Raom aren't Time and Space so much as they're Eternity and Infinity.

They're less... organized, nowwv, especially as breeding adults, but Before That point in life they're rather nosy. The depictions of Angels and Demons come heavvwily from their attempts at interference on Alternia and Beforus. Orcina and Filus are actually teenagers, and havvwe been for some time nowwv. They'vvwe been on alternia long enough for the locals to build a mythos around them.

But their powwver IS real. Orcina is Doom, and Activvwe Classed, and Filus is Life and Passivvwe Classed. They are powwverful, in their owwvn right, but it's nothing compared to their mother and father.

Other depictions of Angels and Demons come from lesser Horrorterrors, Wwvhich havvwe an easier time slinking into the wwvorld of the livvwing. They like hanging around the Serpents, speaking and sharing secrets to mortals at their behest. That's part of howwv the church got started.

Doc Scratch and Gy'lbgolb are intwwvined. The end of days is their call, his mainly, really. He's wwvhat's binding Her there, he pulled her out of the Furthest Ring, after all. She's fully sapient, but can't communicate wwvith anyone other than him. She's the Leviathan to his God, as much as he is the tounge of the snake. He's been the Vvwoice wwvhispering in the ears of the greats for centuries. He's a trickster, a fortune teller, a genie and a bringer of gifts.

Gy'lbgolb is a godess in her owwvn right, though. A Greater Horrorterror, something that shouldn't evvwen be able to exist in their plane. She's spent centuries starvvwing and begging her Mother to take her home. Tieid cannot break the spell English, belovvwed son of hers, has put on her. But she has gifted her children, daughters, to ease the ache. And Kin beyond that, to feed her.

The Handmaid, Hisuji Megido, is death, but she is also Scratch's hand. An omen of doom, but one bearing the face of a RustBlood. She's a saint to the church AND to lowwvbloods. She's the one thing Scylla backs awwvay from, and SHE doesn't evvwen fear Scratch. She's also been carrying a torch for a certain Legilacerator Dragon Rider. Tieid is pretending to not be jealous of Tiamat.

English is a God, capital G. The church adore that beast, twwvined twwvins it is. It did not create Alternia, but it DID take it into its clawwvs wwvhen its creators turned a blind eye. Time and Space bend and wwvarp in its jawwvs. It doesn't like Saturn. (It doesn't like Tieid and Raom either)

It's so fond of That Upstart Makara, truly.

[trollbreak]

heehoo and aurrel neow!!! /lh

Ouh u pick an interesting pair!!! This going under cut bc teehee details to build to the Pondering. Also this is all very train of thought due to the heehoo Lore so :P

SO UM!!! First up, some things abt Heehoo our lad! And Boohoo, who’s um. Kind of inherently tied to him! They used to be the same clown. Teehee sometimes ur church worships eldritch things and sometimes u do weird magic shit that makes one person two. And it’s a whole thing!! Like um. With Gedian and Echo it was. Less than great in the end. But Heehoo and Boohoo had a great go of it!! They’re besties and holding hands and siblings and heehoo will kill u a million times if u try to hurt boohoo and boohoo will send a god after u for the reverse. They’re silly little clowns together!!! Smth smth comedy and tragedy masks, smth smth two sides of a coin, I love them in short

NOW!! I’m gonna face this as like, just swapping Heehoo and aurrel, rather than the person that was there before Heehoo and boohoo, bc um. I don’t have the braincells to make aurrel 2 guys rn lmao

SO UM!!! The base person would ofc b very different. But also? Aurrel is an ass. Even when he cares someone. He’d um. Be mean to boohoo without thinking abt it and it would Crush him Every Time that boohoo is so niceys kind and 🥺 until he like. Chilled out. He’s still very bitey tho, there’s just less baring teeth beforehand. U get faces and rude words when he’s angry and in a Mood as he is, but as a clown? He’d be very >:3 until he’s actively trying to murder u. Also, by VIRTUE of clownness, he would actually do murder!! Like he doesn’t actually do that as a Revant!! He feels like shit if he hurts someone too bad!! But um. He’d be. Violently protective of boohoo, and that would be a very easy way for him to just be. Very violent in general. Dudes living up to the murder clown image and then some. Sir please stop bringing folks to church just to murder them with your teeth, ur scaring the hoes.

He would eventually mellow out a little with time! …Eventually. And only a little. He um. Would get evil abt it tho. I think he’d dip from the church he grew up in the Second that the Gaze wound up as the host for their resident horrorterror, bc he’s like. Wtf, you’re nice. This isn’t how this shits supposed to work. Fuck off. He’d go kind of just churchless after that, and just um. Would do a lot of murder till he got accepted into the fleet to do cullings for a reason beyond ‘i wanna’ again. Dude grows up to be malicious and fucked up abt it. His thing abt body horror is a point of shame, and um. He goes exposure therapy abt it by being more fucked up. Bestie that’s not healthy. Boohoo is um. Going to therapy abt how she’s. A little glad he left. Dude got scary.

HEEHOO THO!!! Um. He’s still silly little guy :3 but now he’s Ferret instead of Corgi and he go BOING!!! I think he’s still doesn’t really talk much bc he doesn’t have much to say! But he makes a LOT of noises sometimes. Also: fidget toy collection. Cargo pants of em. And now he doesn’t do any murder mostly!!! Not unless someone else starts it for suresies. I think Junie def adopts him quicker, due to the hes more roam around and hang out with random folks. And they’re climbing into places they shouldn’t together!!! Please imagine for me junie and Heehoo Revant sat on a rooftop together. Heehoo is on a box or smth so he can kicky his feet. Are u imagining it for me? He’s so fucking ^-^. He’s also very much involved in rebel activity but shhh we don’t worry about thaaaaat, what he’s got going on with Bill is his business, we don’t need to knooooowwwww-

[goeticgalaxy]

(this was asked on @daily-joey-claire but i have too much to say about this to talk about it there)

i am so normal about this au btw so yeah

to your 1st question- since dæmons are like extensions of the soul, and byers/the lusii have like different places in the plot already, they’re pretty much the same. i think twins (like the soleils) would share a dæmon tho

ok! onto which dæmons everyone has!!!!!

BETA KIDS/TROLLS

since dæmons settling is used as analogous for growing up/sort of also puberty? june’s dæmon wouldn’t settle until dadbert dies. dave and jade’s both would already be settled when they start the game, and rose’s would settle once she started communing with the horrorterrors. also when it came to naming them, i wanted their dæmons to have like. normal names ig. since the beta kids are the normalist homestuck characters.

since there are fifty billion beta trolls ill speed through the thought processes i had. karkat’s dæmon settles last bc hes in a state of arrested development. like act 6 last. aradia doesn’t have a dæmon anymore bc she died before entering the game :( (ALSO IT IS NOT THANOS AS IN THE MARVEL CHARACTER) uhhh pretend kanaya’s dæmon says f, tavros is so newfoundland dæmon coded, gamzee is a badger bc they are really unassuming looking but are like a genuine threat, etc etc

oh also vriska is a hyena bc she is *so* hyena coded, id say more than she is spider coded. spiders are associated often with like. manipulation, and vriska just… isn’t that manipulative. she’s pretty straight-forward actually. it’s like that one post about orc stealth. she gets ppl to do what she wants bc she’s like genuinely physically stronger and also has mind control. mind control on its own doesn’t really count as manipulation. the only really spiderlike things about her are her thing with eights and her mom. sure she’s clever, but not in a manipulative way. really, she’s mostly an opportunist. hyenas often symbolize treachery, and in some arab folklore they can hypnotize humans. anyways hyena vriska truther.

ALPHA KIDS

jane has specifically an aesculapius snake, bc of their associations w/ healing. she hangs out on janes spoon/forkkind to mimic the rod of asclepius and also sort of the caduceus. she def settled last. idk what to say w/ jake, hes just very much a guy who’d have a spider monkey dæmon. dirk is a borzoi bc he is shaped like one (fig 1) and cain bc bro strider and also how he views his splinters and even the other alphas and auoohj yeah. anyways roxy is so lion. and his name is bc void is very much about creation and bc it’s parallel is light they both have such strong associations with knowledge!!!! they’re so!!!!

HIVESWAP

ok ok ok so ik in the post i said joey’s dæmon is nike but kore just fits her better i think esp bc of her mommy issues. uhh i think joey would be sort of upset that her dæmon is a brown bear and not like a swan or something, but she represents like joey’s defensive streak i think. also mommy issues. jude is an eagle bc of their associations with knowledge and also bc of the myth of prometheus (jude is sosososososososo prometheus coded btw) xefros is a sloth. i don’t need to say more. dammek is a tomcat, probably a tuxedo.

ANYWAYS I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION @opalescent-apples AND TY FOR ASKING IT!!!!!

bonus alphas and their dæmons:

[davekat-sucks]

If the Dream Bubbles in HSBC are suddenly made by someone new

It kind of makes Feferi's wish to have a place for her dead friends to hang out kind of meaningless if someone else can do it. She was the only troll who was nice to her lusus, Gl'bgolyb. Meenah and the Condesce probably just see them as a monster pet. But Feferi was the one who cared about her as a guardian. She is one of the few trolls that got close with the Horrorterrors and they granted her wish for a purgatory space for her friends. Feferi actually had a lot of power in her hand in not just her blood color, but connections with higher beings like the Horrorterrors. Maybe in a sense, that is one of the few times we do see her being like a leader or Heiress. Now that a new Dream Bubble suddenly shows up and its confirmed by Kanaya that all the Dream Bubbles are DESTROYED, it says that everything Feferi did and cared for, was for NOTHING. Her wish is a waste because it would be destroyed anyway. She and the rest of the troll ghosts, just now cease to exist. Nothing is left of her or her friends. There is no proof left that she had been the one to start it. But hey, nobody in this recent fandom actually gives a shit about Feferi. None of the living trolls like Kanaya, Terezi, Vriska, Aradia, Sollux, or Karkat... cares about their dead friends. People remember more about Aradia being the keeper Dream Bubbles than Feferi being the one who made it all happen. So why not let some random new OC show up and say they created a Dream Bubble? Nobody gives a fucking damn about Feferi. Not Andrew Hussie, not James Roach, not WhatPumpkin, not HICU, and not even the fandom.

[pesterloglog]

Vriska Serket, Sollux Captor, John Egbert, Aradia Megido

Act 6, page 6025-6028

VRISKA: Hey guys! Stop dragging your feet 8ack there! You're falling so far 8ehind, you're starting to look tiny and ridiculous from here.

VRISKA: The treasure should 8e 8uried just up ahead. Let's pick up the pace!

SOLLUX: excuse me, s0me 0f us here have special needs. i think i will c0ntinue dragging my feet if y0u d0n't mind.

VRISKA: Sollux, will you just let Aranea heal your eyes already and catch the fuck up?

SOLLUX: N0!!!!!!!!!!

JOHN: hey.

JOHN: aradia, was it?

ARADIA: yes

JOHN: can i ask you something?

ARADIA: ok

JOHN: you seem reasonable, and pretty nice.

ARADIA: :)

JOHN: so i'm wondering.

JOHN: how do you feel about all this?

ARADIA: about what exactly

JOHN: about what vriska and her pirate buddies are doing.

ARADIA: you mean searching for the weapon?

ARADIA: i think its a good idea

JOHN: no, i know.

JOHN: of course it would be great to have an awesome secret weapon, whatever it is.

JOHN: i mean...

JOHN: how do you feel about the way they've been searching for it?

JOHN: by using all your ghost clone friends as bait.

JOHN: and getting the bad guy to blow them all up to reveal the way to the treasure?

ARADIA: thats probably the only way to find it

ARADIA: in my experience the specific path you travel out here is very important

ARADIA: if we did not trace that exact path in that amount of time i doubt we ever would have found the right location

ARADIA: in fact it may never have been found by anyone

JOHN: ok, yes.

JOHN: let's assume it was the only way to find it. granted.

JOHN: but i mean, does that really make it the right way to beat him?

ARADIA: i couldnt say

JOHN: well, how do you feel about it?

JOHN: most of the other pirates seem cool with it, so i'm wondering if you feel differently.

ARADIA: its probably necessary

ARADIA: and they would have embarked on this voyage whether i had come along or not

ARADIA: so i might as well join the fun!

ARADIA: isnt that what you did when you saw our ship?

JOHN: um...

JOHN: sort of.

JOHN: but i didn't know what you were all doing yet.

ARADIA: yes but once you found out you continued journeying with us

JOHN: yeah, but...

JOHN: i'm just hanging out here cause i'm asleep! what else was i going to do?

ARADIA: exactly!

ARADIA: i dont necessarily share their point of view on the meaning of this endeavor though

ARADIA: they consider this to be a great clash between good and evil

ARADIA: but i prefer to look at the coming battle as a matter of housekeeping

ARADIA: in the end all loops must be tidied up

ARADIA: even his

JOHN: ok, but what about your friends!

JOHN: don't you care about them?

ARADIA: of course i do!

ARADIA: i love all my friends

JOHN: then why do you seem so...

JOHN: cheerful?

JOHN: when so many of them are getting zapped by lasers.

ARADIA: do i seem cheerful about that

JOHN: kinda!

ARADIA: i apologize if that is the way i am behaving

ARADIA: it is not true though

ARADIA: i think i look at death differently than most

ARADIA: and it is fair to say this attitude extends to death after death as well

ARADIA: i have learned to be at ease with the cessation of being in any form it takes

ARADIA: but i am not nor will i ever be the monsters handmaid

ARADIA: so please believe that i would never take joy from the destruction of any soul

ARADIA: however you must realize that it is only by the grace of the horrorterrors that so many have been allowed to continue existing for so long

ARADIA: they have persisted for ages beyond their time just as he has

ARADIA: as such it seems to me his rampage is just another kind of housekeeping

ARADIA: while he rounds the ring undoing the work of the gods we must prepare for his undoing as well

ARADIA: to ready the manor for the lords arrival so to speak :)

JOHN: ...

JOHN: i'm sorry, maybe i spaced out through some of that.

JOHN: but i'm still not sure what you're talking about.

JOHN: maybe you could just simplify it for me.

JOHN: are you a good guy or a bad guy?

ARADIA: i dont like to think of myself in those terms

ARADIA: but i do try to be nice to people!

JOHN: dammit.

JOHN: ok, could you just... maybe...

JOHN: give me an idea of what it is you actually want out of all this?

ARADIA: what i want?

ARADIA: hmmm

ARADIA: thats a pretty good question

ARADIA: i think i mostly want to see what happens when this whole place breaks apart

[cloudbattrolls]

Can you bribe them with food, mains and sides:

Ullane: 2/10. Not usually. She likes when food tastes good but while her appetite isn't overly small she doesn't eat a lot on the whole. She's also hard to bribe in general.

Tuuya: 5/10. Tuuya has a big appetite but is somewhat restrained by their sense of ethics. Viltau can do it since they're weaker to their friends but they try to avoid in general so they don't fall into bad habits.

Thrixe: 3/10. Thanks to hanging around Mikiel and Karell he appreciates good food far more than he used to, but while his appetite can be high at times through horrorterror bs, he doesn't usually have that big of one. To him food is more of an art form to share with others than something he particularly indulges in.

Crista: 9/10. Crista has some sense of self-preservation and restraint but they did Not always get enough to eat growing up and they also just like food in general.

Maidel: 7/10. Only lower than Crista because Maidel is embarrassed about it, unlike them, but she has a big appetite and also likes food.

Gliese: 2/10. She doesn't eat a lot and while she's not the pickiest eater, she has fairly specific tastes, so you can only bribe her if you have something she really wants.