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PSLSPLSPLSLSPLSPSL.....draw whump of your favorite outsider... <333
i drew jack again eheheh
he got beaten ip my a friggn soc again :(
stupid idiot smh
#lizy speaks#jack eastwood#the outsiders#art#doodle#asks#jack the outsiders#drawing#sketch#yap#my art#smh#greaser vs socs
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i wanna hear ur thoughts on the pony dying at the fountain au thing :)
THANK YOU FOR ASKINGGGG. this entire thing is delusional yap central and 95% johnny based so. im so sorry in advance btw.
well. first. so i think johnny wouldn't have had the instinct to run the way he did trying to protect pony and go to dally's — i cant really remember it tbh but i once saw an interpretation of johnny where he was like. his instincts and actions (stabbing paul without a second thought) were compared to that of almost a child (due to abusive parents and neglect etc etc) when put in the worst case scenario so he makes snap judgements without using his head, whereas pony thinks decisions through and mulls over shit maybe more than he should, which is why johnny just yanks him away and gets them to dally's place. i think johnny wouldn't have had that drive in him bc deep down he knowssss pony's gone, knows there's nobody that needs protecting, so he just. sits. at the fountain with pony in his lap. possibly for hours till the sun comes up, most likely in denial trying to convince himself pony isn't dead. doesn't know where to go or who to tell or what to do, esp bc this kid is already so heavily traumatized as is, he simply doesn't make the best decisions sometimes. just how it goes
then like. i assume someone finds them sitting there eventually, johnny can't even talk, whether it be the gang out looking bc they didn't show up last night or this morning or idk a stranger on a walk or literally idk. but. either way. the sheer difference in how pony's death were to be treated vs bob's?? there's no investigation done even though johnny says it was the socs, it wasn't a suicide, they got jumped and pony got killed. he lists them all by name, says exactly what happened, but there's never gonna be justice for pony bc nobody cares when it's a greaser who gets exploited or tortured or hurt or killed. (justice for tulsa scene where the cop shines a light on two-bit getting jumped and turns a blind eye....hmmm).
i thinkkk soda and darry would take johnny in. i won't harp on how torn up they'd obviously be — think soda's letter but about eight hundred times more nauseating ykwim. they just don't get along right without ponyboy. they lost their parents and they lost their kid brother and nearly johnny too — and nobody ever gets justice. so, it's darry who calls war & it's him who calls the rumble in pony's name. :)
johnny probably stays w them for a while but entirely collapses in on himself — literally rots from the inside out with guilt, bc he had a blade and he didn't use it. whether it be bc he chickened out or he was restrained too hard and wasn't strong enough or whatever the case, he takes on guilt heavyyyy for it. withdraws from the gang, from the curtises, saves up whatever little money he can and runs away to windrixville alone — bc hear me out. i think both him And pony def feel some type of way about bringing grief and sorrow and death wherever they go canonically in some type of way. esp him like..staying with pony's brothers now, probably sleeping in his old bedroom trying to keep pony's memory alive. idk idk. the guilt just goes CRAZYYY so. johnny runs away to an old church dally once suggested to him if he ever needed a place to go to run away — esp bc johnny literally canonically has considered running away before.
gang goes crazy over this obviously. search and search and it takes...who knows, days, weeks, to find him. he's got a bit of money stashed and he's not on the run from cops so he can go out to find food and whatever freely but he wants out, doesn't wanna be around the gang. dally shoots up in bed at like 3am realizing he knows exactly where tf johnny must be and collects them all in a car to drive out and find him. they get there and corner him like he's a lil scared animal shining flashlights in the dark and he pulls his blade on them all when they try to approach him up backed against the wall cause he dipped for a reason, damn it, and he doesn't want to be found. dally always runs away and finds success. the implications of johnny pulling a blade on the gang and on dally (out of fear) who gave him it in the first place?? esp when dally prefaced it by when you use this you have to do this with confidence, you have to really mean it, you can't back down when you pull a blade. idk the implications are There. that's literally where this whole thing came from LOL
that's. all i've got lol. thanks for tuning into this absolute monstrosity of a reply i'm so sorry LOL
#the outsiders#outsiders broadway#outsiders musical#ponyboy curtis#darry curtis#curtis brothers#sodapop curtis#johnny cade#outsiders#literally the way this isn't even everything i could've said too#the implications of a greaser getting killed vs a soc???#and the way soda and darry would be irreperably damaged?#like. Bye.#sorry if ppl disagree w any of this btw im just a Girl In the World having Fun its not that serious
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YALL I JUST HAD AN IDEA FOR A PURLY FIC AND I NEED TO RANT ABOUT IT
Okay so it's an AU of 'As Good As Dead' by Holly Jackson so spoiler warning for that book and the agggtm series in general (I haven't finished the book yet so some of this isn't entirely accurate)
So in AGAD the main character Pip is basically haunted by what happened in the book before (a man died and she blames herself) which i feel like could be Ponyboy post book. He could blame himself for three deaths, Bob, Johnny, And Dally
In AGAD Pip is also being stalked and only one person really believes her, her boyfriend
I'm thinking what if Ponyboy was being stalked by a soc and only Curly believes him
I have so many ideas for this in my head that don't make sense when I write it out like this sooo I might actually write this story?? Perchance??
I REALLY WANT TO BECAUSE ITS GOING TO HAUNT ME IF I DONT BUT I ALSO SAID I WAS GONNA WRITE WHUMPTOBER AND I DONT HAVE THE WILL POWER TO WRITE BOTH LAJFJOSJFNDSKK
So erm.i wrote the first chapter if anyone is interested...
#SPOILER WARNING FOR AS GOOD AS DEAD AND ALL OF A GOOD GIRLS GUIDE TO MURDER#the outsiders#ponyboy curtis#curly shepard#dallas winston#darry curtis#johnny cade#purly#sodapop curtis#steve randle#ao3 fanfic#two bit mathews#papercut ship#soc vs greaser#LOSING MY MIND
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Greasers: Socs:
Ponyboy Curtis Cherry Valance
Sodapop Curtis Bob Sheldon
Darrel "Darry" Curtis Paul Holden
Keith "Two Bit" Mathews
Dallas "Dally" Winston Marcia
Johnny Cade Randy Holden
#the outsiders#greaser#ponyboy curtis#cherry valance#sodapop curtis#bob sheldon#darry curtis#paul holden#two bit mathews#dallas winston#dally winston#keith mathews#johnny cade#johnny the outsiders#randy holden#school project#greasers vs socs
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Kooks and pogues are literally just greasers and socs
Furthermore, obx but it's actually the outsiders.
#no bc i want to write this now#obx kooks#obx pogues#kooks vs pogues#obx#outer banks#hot take#???#greasers#socs#the outsiders#obx season 4#outerbanks#txt
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Thinking about how Pony almost died at 14 (fourteen). Google says Bob and Randy were 18 (eighteen) and I’m guessing they probably hung around with people their age. These 18 (eighteen) year olds almost drowned someone who hadn’t even been 14 (fourteen) for, what, 2 (two) months? He was literally a child, I can’t do this
#no cause imagine johnny didnt kill bob soon enough and now he is in the park alone. the corpse of a friend and an enemy and he killed one of#them. but it was too late and now nothing would be the same again#fountain scene messes me up big time whenever i think about it#and in the book if the socs remembered what they did while boozed up they have to LIVE with that. live with the fact that they almost killed#a kid#basically any time they jumped a greaser they could have killer them. but now it bothers them more. cause death feels different when you#threaten it vs. when you lose someone close to you forever#greasers too like that guy is deadddd and so are 2 (two) of your friends#ik the socs and greaser feud died off after bobs death as said in twttin but that wont stop me from thinking#the outsiders#cw death mention#tw death mention#wasnt sure which to put so i just went with both#wildtalks
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Soc style vs. Greaser style
Socs: Bold colors, pastels, short skirts, letterman jackets, long sleeves, and sleek clothes. Socs wear lots of bright and pastel colors. Pastel colors signify elegance, optimism, innocence, and even dreaminess. Mini Skirts are a huge part of the girly soc style, in the 60’s they were a sign of the new generation and playfulness. Letterman jackets are a sign of academic achievements, popularity, and toughness in the 60’s.
Greasers: grays, blues, browns, dark-toned colors, denim, grungy, tank tops, long or ripped pants, flannels, and jean jackets. Denim is CRUCIAL to the Greaser style, denim often symbolizes revolution, the working class, and opposing mainstream ideas. Blue is a color of loyalty, every single greaser is loyal to each other. Every greaser is wearing something blue, the only one that isn’t is Darry. He wears lots of brown, brown is a color of strength and dependability. It’s important that he’s not wearing blue because Ponyboy perceives Darry as someone who isn’t loyal to him, but really Darry is always there for Pony, he just doesn’t realize it.
I’ve never seen the musical, so I hope I did okay! Let me know if you guys want me to do specific characters!
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OH MY GODDDD YESSSS YOU UNDERSTAND THEM
omg omg speaking of marcia and ace i’m OBSESSED with butch ace and femme marcia…. every now and then they joke around and swap outfits with each other just to mess with everyone around them hehe. they’re so sweet tho like omg they’re so soft with each other like they don’t get to be with their big friend groups and they just sit in silence . also marcia is so much a choir kid to me and ace loves listening to her practicing her songs over and over again, just listening and watching
GODDD they have definitely been moving up in my head. Like them having so many soft moments kills me. Like them simply sitting in comfortable silence in Marcia’s empty house and being allowed to just be themselves without having to worry about being tough or strong enough. The small moments when they're outside and can't really be near eachother Ace always finds a way to show Marcia that she's there no matter what because she knows when Mar is freaking tf out bc that girl is constantly freaking out about every little thing.
ALSO Marcia being a singer is so near and dear to me. I will always stand by the fact like she's involved with some sort of art because of her mother who is a artist alongside being a nurse. Like Marcia looks up to her mother so much it makes me sick. Also Helen(ily Marcia’s mother that I've created sm lore for ask me about her) being so nice to Ace :((
God I can just imagine all the small things they do together. Ace pulling Marcia aside at the drive in and giving her some sort of affection before they are caught. Marcia teaching Ace how to put on makeup and Ace teaching Marcia to fight... UGHH ty for the ask pooks 🫶
#I FORGOT HOMOPHOBIA AND GREASER VS SOC WAS A THING WHEN I WROTE THAT ASK LMAO#the outsiders#the outsiders musical#ace the outsiders#ace x marcia#marcia the outsiders
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when will the soc vs greaser gacha life singing battle glmv drop
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hii could you do something with steve (+ soda if that's okay :))) where reader comes in with all these socs to get their car fixed and the socs are being like rude and stuff but reader is like actually nice to the greasers and talks to them??????
Summary: In which you are a soc going in to the DX to get a car fixed with your friends when you meet Steve and Soda.
Warnings: none
Author's Note: put both in the same fic because let's be honest, they would not go to work without each other.
Ever since you moved to Tulsa you always thought the soc vs greaser thing was dumb. Although it's not like you could say much about it because your parents were always wealthy. You just kept your opinions to yourself and tried to be as kind as possible to everyone.
Your friends car broke down in the middle of a ride to the movie theater so you took it to the nearest repair shop, the DX. The guys spent about an hour pushing the car up and when the entered the shop they groaned.
“If I knew there were a bunch of greasers in here, I would've left the pushing to them” One guy said and the rest laughed.
“Probably would've been quicker too, since y'all are a bunch of babies,” you pointed at your friends. The greasers snickered and one stood up to take a look at the car. Your friends mumbled something together but you just walked away.
The store was well taken care of, clean and neat, so you found yourself leaning at the front counter when one of the greasers walked up to you. His nametag read “Sodapop”.
“Hey,” He said, trying to make small talk.
“Hi, interesting name.” You said, pointing at his name tag.
“Thanks, my dad was an interesting person.” He leaned against the counter, mimicking your movements watching his buddy inspect the car. The guy working on the car shouted something to Sodapop and he shouted something back.
“That’s Steve,” He said.
“Y/n,” You put your hand out for him to shake. One of your friends, Leon, taps you on the shoulder.
“What're you doing, shaking hands with some greaser?” You rolled your eyes. Leon had always liked you, though you rejected him many times.
“Oh shove off, Leon.” You said, stepping back away from him, bringing you closer to Soda. He gives Soda a look before walking off.
The one called Steve came up to you and Soda.
“He's gonna jump you for that,” he nudges Soda, and he breaks into a grin.
“Should I come to you to patch me up?” Soda asks you with a wink.
“Hey Soda, why don't you go fix some cars or sum” Steve says pushing Soda away while grinning. Soda laughed and walked away.
“Sorry about him, he's a flirt” Steve said, watching as Soda fixed the car up.
“It's all good” You nodded in his direction. “Steve, right?”
“He told you?” He asked and you nodded again. “Guess he's looking out for the both of us” He smirked and winked at you.
#shroomsroom#clara'sroom#the outsiders x reader#soda curtis x reader#sodapop curtis x reader#steve randle x reader
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CURSED TULSA MASTERLIST
Created: 9/24/2024 Updated: 10/7/2024 Summary: 200 years ago, the area of Tulsa was cursed by a Witch. This Witch stated that the poorest born will be given characteristics to match just how the rest of society views them. Freaks. Tags: #cursed tulsa au, #cursed tulsa [ Making this bad boy so I can throw it on my pinned post >:) ]
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AU INFORMATION
- Cursed Tulsa & The Main Gang - Character Relationships / Sexualities - Character Appearances - OC Involvement - Permitted OC Creatures - Harpy OC Flocks - Fanfic Allowance - Harpy Info - Harpy Disappearance & Leaving Tulsa - Multiple Fae & Harpy Types - Fae Tails
CANONICAL FICS
- This is… Cursed Tulsa '67 ( 7 Chapters ; Active Updating ) - A Monstrosity Like You ( Paul & Darry ; One-shot ) - I Want This Like a Cigarette ( Paul & Darry ; One-shot) - Death's At My Door ( Paul ; One-shot) - May 14th ( Paul & Two-Bit ; One-shot) - Gone Mute ( Sodapop ; One-shot)
CANONICAL ART / LORE RELATED ART
- Cursed Doodles p1 - Cursed Doodles p2 - Paul's Back Carving - Fellas is it gay to kiss your situationship? (+ other doodles) - Death, Dally, and Paul. - [PARRY] First Meetings
CHARACTERS
DARRY
- Tail Injury, Power Function, ETC - Responsibility & Guilt (Pony's Ears) - Chronic Pain (Tail Injury Related)
SODA
- Soda's Information
PONYBOY
- Pony's Jumping
TWO-BIT
- Two-Bit's Feather Significance - Hitting Shit w/ Wings - Two's Jumping Details
DALLY
- Ghost Vision - A New Yorker's Reaction To Tulsa - Seeing The Curtis Parents
JOHNNY
- To Be Added
ACE
- Ace Information
PAUL
- Post-Book Content (Art & Info) - Redemption Arc - First Jumping (Art & Info) - Post-Jumping & Some Parry - The Feather Incident + Guilt - Paul's Ritual Carvings - Burn The Witch - Paul & Bob
CHERRY
- Cherry's Power & Bob
OTHER SOCS / GREASERS
- Molly Mathews - Mr. Mathews & His Behavior - Evie and Sandy - Steve & Evie Shenanigans - Tim Jumps To Conclusions - Curly Shepard & Papercut - Tim: "I got that feather back" Two-Bit: "What :D" - Witch Bloodline, Cursed Lifespans, Parry Headcanons - Darry & Two's Relationship - Marcia & Two's Relationship (Romantic Focused) - Two vs Marcia's Cat - Familiars & Umbra - Paul Anon Enjoys Parry - Marcia, Cherry, & Paul's First Jumping - [MARBIT] Regaining Trust - [PARRY] How They Made It "Offical" / How Paul Moved In - [ PB & J ] Complementing Opposites - [ ACE x CHERRY ] Fireworks - [ CURTIS BROS ] Tail Talk
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JUNGKOOK WATTPAD RECOMMENDATIONS(3)₊˚✧ ゚.🐈⬛˚₊‧꒰ა ‧₊˚
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🫧 Room 1997 | Ghost!Jungkook X OC | Gore | 34 Chapters | Duration-2h 27m | Completed
"Would you dare to go inside?"
🫧 cold world | General!Jungkook X Prisoner!OC | 𝗪𝗔𝗥 𝗔𝗨 ❦ 𝟮𝟬𝟰𝟰 | Dictatorship and Democracy | 40 Chapters | Duration-15h 58 m | Completed
❝The moment I put this ring on your finger, you became my property.❞
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"Do me Jungkook, p-please."
"With all the pleasure. I will fuck you, only fuck you with everything I have."
🫧 Two Percent Straight | Gay!Jungkook X Crossdresser!Reader | Side-Jimin X Reader | Crack AU | 75 Chapters | Duration-4h 45m | Completed
"I'm just 2 % straight y/n, but I can love you more than a hundred percent straight man"
🫧 HOLIDAY AFFAIR | Husband!Jungkook X Wife!OC | PJM Vs JJK | Crack | 24 Chapters | Duration-3h 7m | Completed
"Admit it Jungkook, she'd rather sleep with me." Jimin Vs Jungkook
🫧 His Hostage | Mafia!Jungkook X Reader | Re-uploaded by other author | Duration-16h 57m | 85 Chapters | Ongoing
"fuck yourself... and let me watch"
🫧 𝐆𝐎𝐎𝐃 𝐁𝐀𝐃 𝐓𝐇𝐈𝐍𝐆 | greaser!Jungkook x soc!reader | 1950S AU | 20 Chapters | Duration-2h 17m | Completed
❝She's a delicate little flower, hyung,❞ Jungkook grabs his leather jacket and slips it on. ❝And if anyone is going to hear sinful moans pass those innocent lips, it'll be me.❞
🫧 broken ghosts | Ghost!Jungkook X OC | Angst | 32 Chapters | Duration-4h 5m | Completed
"i have died everyday waiting for you."
"i should be the one lying next to you at night."
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What's wrong with being a little chaotic? -J JK
🫧 𝗥𝗲𝗱 | Mafia+Ceo!JK X Reader | 53 Chapters | Duration-8h 18m | Ongoing
"That dress-" he says, eyes raking down your body. "-is 𝘥𝘢𝘮𝘯 fucking distracting."
🫧 A Little Burden | Jungkook X Reader | 36 Chapters | Duration-3h 35m | Completed
I still remember that day clearly.....every night it comes back to me like a nightmare. The small fragile human getting pushed into my arms. Tears streaming down my face as I looked at her....Doctors storming in from everywhere trying everything they could to keep her alive. The look in her eyes she gave me made me break inside.
She knew she wasn't going to make it.
She smiled at me and took one last look at her child before speaking.
🫧 secret admirer | JK X OC | Angst | 101 Chapters | Duration-9m | Completed
" notice me senpai " - jjk
🫧 THE SACRIFICE | Yandere!Jungkook X Reader | Angst Abuse | 46 Chapters | Duration-6h 27m | Completed
A child must be sacrificed in order for the city to gain its happiness. a tale when doom and love are two sides of the same coin.
🫧 𝐂𝐎𝐏𝐘 | clone!Jungkook x reader | Clone Au | 20 Chapters | Duration-2h 11m | Completed
When the doctor tells the Jeon's that their newborn Jungsoo could die due to his premature birth, Mr. Jeon decides to clone him as soon as possible.
To their surprise, Jungsoo is able to grow up happy and healthy along with his clone, Jungkook, who's the total opposite of him.
🫧 petals | BF!Jungkook X GF!Reader | Childhood Sweethearts | Fluff | 28 Chapters | Duration-39m | Completed
❝ -How much is your daughter? ❞
Jungkook loves food and computer games, but compare to those two you are his favorite thing in this world.
🫧 HELLBORN | LuciferSon!Jungkook X Human!Reader | Crack | 15 Chapters | Duration-2h 21m | Completed
He is the spitting image of an Angel but the blood in his veins is that of the Devil's.
🫧 Once More | Ex!Jungkook X OC | Angst | 33 Chapters | Duration-4h 22m | Completed
❝Your son, he looks very similar to Jungkook...❞
Leave it to a 3-year-old to bring two parents back together.
🫧 ROSES | Jungkook X OC | Angst | 54 Chapters | Duration-3h | Completed
❝ she slipped away the same way the velvet box slipped in my hand ❞ she was oddly peculiar and pure mystery yet, he still finds the refuge of feeling at "home" to the mute girl whom he met at the seaside.
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"...Kookie" she calls that's when Kookie's small little hands tugged onto his mother's sleeve's pulling her to look at him.
"what's wrong Kookie?"
❝I want to buy her❞
🫧 That Awkward Magic | Werewolf!JK X Witch!Reader | Crack AU | 42 Chapters | Duration-4h 1m | Completed
"You smell very nice."
"Are you...trying to flirt or something?"
A socially awkard witch has to struggle with being the sudden love (?) interest of a wolf shifter
🫧 "IDC, BABY" | Jungkook X Reader | GangRivals | 21 Chapters | Duration-1h 16m | Ongoing
"If they catch us, they will kill us."
"I don't give a fuck right now, baby."
🫧 On.line | Staker!Jungkook X Camgirl!Reader | Dark | 38 Chapters | Duration-5h 36m | Republishing
"I don't call myself a pornstar, but I'm pretty famous on Live Babes (LB). I make money doing what people ask from me and they are mainly men, married man. Some even gave a wife or kids. But I don't care about that at all. The only thing I want is to continue earn their money. Oh! It's already 9PM! Don't forget to watch the show!"
"I can't wait, princess." -J.JK
🫧 Overmorrow | Idol!Jungkook X Reader | Crack | 33 Chapters | Duration-2h 8m | Completed
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'She is a maze with no escape.'
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• Go skinny-dipping
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• Try foreplay with ice .....
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“Ain’t nobody call the Fuzz in this neighborhood cause they know better!”
This line sits with me as a very telling one that often goes overlooked, as it’s lost in the blur of energy before the rumble. Now most of this is going to be from existing knowledge but it did prompt me to dig into poor communities a bit more. The line is said differently between the Book and the movie but both are said within the idea of pride and community— when they’re caught up in the high of before a rumble, all the energy close to bursting out of them- repping their kind and going on this spree of yelling stereotypes and taking ownership. In the movie Steve’s much more happy and hyped as he yells it— in the book he also says it to correct Darry but in a more exact tone.
In a surprise to no one cops aren’t friends to poor communities. Economically poor, crime heavy communities tend to be over policed and often met with force, brutality etc. We know the boys get hauled in a lot, sometimes just for the assumption they did something. Cops pick out, they stereotype and often target within the neighborhood.
There’s a social aspect as well that’s not so direct to do with police action and that is the social isolation. Lack of resources, mistreatment and disapproval from those outside creates strong communities that further isolate. In a lot of ways it’s a helpful thing, mitigating the effects of poverty by having a social net and trust. A detail I like is that Darry seems to be a part of a phone tree when Pony was late the first time (not exclusive to poor areas but a great example of having networks.) People help each other out “help their own” building networks. A lot of work is under the table or can be barter based - questionable legality of work, building/fixing things, way of general running of life. Perception of law is different.
This isn’t to say everyone in the neighborhood has broken the law at some point but it’s likely a lot have at least something of questionable legality or more likely have family members who are greasers, criminals etc but will protect them. All of the guys instantly flock to go help Dally after he robbed the store and have been stated to hide and protect the guys whenever they do something like this. It comes back to the “help/protect your own” … no one in the neighborhood is calling the cops because they know what will happen if they do. A family member or friend might be taken in, potential brutality, people coming in and uprooting the way you live your life because it’s “abnormal” etc etc etc.
If someone does call the cops who do you think they’re going to help? A bunch of no good, greasy hoods or the nice boys from the other side of town with their khakis and new cars and clothes? It was probably a greaser who threw the first punch too… doesn’t matter their side of town or what its over, or if some Soc is standing over some bleeding greaser kid. It’s systemic. (An aside but this is also why it drives me nuts people would assume the boys to be bigots because they’re … lower class in the 60s… let’s do some introspection there. Added to the fact that, there’s a lot of overlap with racial issues, their community would likely be FAR more integrated than the west or even rest of the town. Not that their wouldn’t be ignorance but the assumption— that’s not the point of this post but a pet peeve of mine)
Anyways, the Outsiders often gets reduced to a simplistic “use vs them” of just Greaser vs prep like it’s one of the beach movies they watch. When in reality it’s actually a lot to do with class and societal expectations/conditioning.
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Papers if interested Here and here
Either for general interest or potentially helping with writing. Ones an older study (which skimming and certain sections I found interesting), the other IS Wikipedia but it’s for the general idea
#the outsiders#outsiders 1983#outsiders#steve randle#charecter study#outsiders meta#Curtis gang#essay#details
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i’ve seen some people expressing their gratitude to ms. towel and what the outsiders means to them, and i’d like to join:
i, like many of us, read the outsiders in eighth grade. it was one of the first essays of mine that i specifically remember a teacher asking to keep as an example.
(this teacher would go on to ask to keep many of my essays, and she’s perhaps the biggest reason i am where i am today, even despite the fact that she continues humbly deny this.)
anyways, i’m 23 now, about to be 24, but i was 13-14 then; and i still have the grading paper from our greaser vs soc debate.
(i was a greaser btw, and we beat those damn socs, lol.)
anyways, when i got to high school, i tried to take a script writing workshop. i was the only minor, and i started to have horrible, horrible panic attacks. ultimately, i ended up dropping out, but i had emailed the script bible to that english teacher, and she’d encouraged me to keep going. to keep writing.
flash forward, i’ve now graduated with a degree in tv writing and producing because my eighth grade believed in me. (never underestimate the power of teachers.)
now— this is the part where i admit: i was throwing-in-the-towel’s chicago tour anon 🫶
the outsiders was supposed to debut in chicago my freshman year of college, and even hearing the words ‘the outsiders’ as i was about to embark on my college career reignited something in me. it reminded me who put me here. and even the prospect of getting to see the book reimagined as a musical, reinforced my love of theatre.
(obviously, the pandemic got in the way, and while i like to joke that it’s my villain origin story, i don’t think we’d have what we have today if it hadn’t.)
when i finally did get back into the outsiders following this year’s tony awards, i really did try to resist the hyperfixation.
(and well, we all know how well that worked for user darrys-laundry)
i’ve been in fandom my whole life, and the idea of starting over in a new fandom scares the shit out of me, every single time, but my therapist literally tasked me to interact with content, and to at least give it a try.
so, i followed ms. towel. and that felt like a manageable amount of engagement for the time being.
and then i got brave enough to send some anon messages, and i made some art on my own blog, and eventually i became the chicago tour anon 🫶
i asked ms towel just about every question ever when i was trying to plan my own trip to see the show. (see: deeply anxious person.) and she answered every single one. i’ve always really appreciated that.
and i always thanked her for her kindness and generosity with the fandom; for reinforcing boundaries between us and the actors at the stage door, and for fostering a community here.
i’ve been trying to be really intentional with my gratitude lately. we need to let people know that what they’re doing means something to us, and i told ms towel as much.
anyways, i’m rambling as always, this book, this show means the world to me. and this fandom means something to me now too, for as much as i’d resisted, because of ms towel’s generosity, and the space that she’d created.
so, thank you ms. towel.
i’m going to keep creating for this thing that i love, and engaging with fandom now that i’m brave enough 🥲.
i’ll try to bring you tour content when it becomes available. 🫶
#and for the rest of us:#we’ll stick together ‘cause eachother’s all we got#i’m also working on a fic#and i’m writing that here to hold myself accountable to finishing it#the outsiders#the outsiders musical#throwing-in-the-towel
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it’s time
more thoughts about outsiders musical
not being a hater I loved the show
I don’t like the mischaracterization of dally I thought about it but it took away from one of the huge points in the book: dally being the greaser version of bob. Which is important to me bc not many seem to understand how if bob cannot be redeemed than neither can dally. They both had good moments but were not very good people. Dally did horrible things and people tend to forget it simply bc the actors who play him are all hot
in the same way getting rid of randy destroyed the comparison of randy and Johnny. Which got rid of pony and Randy’s conversations and the realization that they really couldn’t change much of anything no matter how hard they tried but Randy chose to try anyway because it was right
speaking of comparison pony and cherry are obviously each others counterparts. Shipping them to me is wrong btw. Maybe in ten years but ponyboy is barely 14 and she’s like 16-17 and ponyboy never showed interest in her other than understanding her bc they are both different. I disagree with cherryboy shippers bc come on a guy and a girl can have an intellectual conversation without romantic energy. This doesn’t really have to do with the show I just have opinions
I did appreciate Paul yes bring attention to how if the curtises had more money and if their parents hadn’t died Darry could have been someone big. Someone known. Someone the world considered important. And probably to the gang he represented the idea that a greaser could make it out there but then he didn’t and it crushed them a little so they tried to joke about ‘him going soc’ as a way to cope and it just alienated him even more since he now needed a full time job and to raise his brothers and to keep the house standing
I think they fed into the johnnyboy just a little too much. I love me a gay ship but come on, there’s something so beautiful about choosing family and that is what ponyboy and Johnny have. Can we shut up about the ship for one second and admire brothers who would go anywhere for each other, who would kill for each other or die for each other. Brothers who spoke without speaking. Platonic love is amazing and I loved their songs but I know the johnnyboy shippers are gonna be annoying af whenever I try to interact with the fandom. Like just because some people are queer doesn’t mean every character you like has to be queer. I know we as a community are underrepresented but if you want queer representation write a new story with queer characters, dont ruin the kinship of the curtises and Johnny cade
I loved throwing in the towel but I did not like how ponyboy sang in it too. The whole point is he is gone, and also the literal next song is the three brothers so it would have made more sense if he wasn’t singing TITT. Also if there was a missing harmony it could have been chefs kiss
the Julie Andrews bit? Fucking iconic
who tf is blondie soc girl and greaser girl. Sure ig for harmonies but they added nothing to the story and seriously to me seemed pointless. Their characters did not have to be written and served no purpose and come on, outsiders isn’t even about girls. The only girl who was close to a main character was cherry, and the only side girls who could have added to the story were sandy and Marcia, and they already underutilized Marcia. Like if you needed another girl moment just add in the two bit Marcia stuff but blondie and greaser girl had no use other than harmonies and dancing.
dally seemed way older than he should. He’s 17 he’s not put together he’s in and out of jail he’s not a responsible older brother to the boys he’s dangerous and unstable and both twobit and Darry are older than him also
the dally vs darry brother stuff was stupid
twobit was everything I wanted him to be loved it
ITS A HOPELESS WAR WERE FIGHTING AND WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT FOR EVEN IN THE END EVEN IF YOU WIN IT DOESNT CHANGE A THING
I didn’t really like little brother. At first I was like YES dally only cared about Johnny so yes the devotion is eating but then he’s like ‘do it for ponyboy and Johnny’ like what? ‘I am killing myself for the sake of ponyboy and Johnny’? That accomplishes nothing. That makes no sense. He killed himself bc the only good thing in his life was gone, not for pony and johnnys benefit?? The song is a banger but the lyrics are not it
stay gold is beautiful and the message is beautiful it fit the end of johnnys story so well and hold on to the good things and make peace with the bad things bc holding on to bad things is how people become resentful and vengeful and easily tempted to do bad things and that’s how bob and dally became bob and dally anyways stay gold might lift me out of my depression bc the message is so powerful and if I just find the beauty in this world in the sky and in the kids I work with and in my pets and everywhere else and if I act with grace and mercy and kindness rather than anger and justice and a mean spirit then I think I’ll do okay
I don’t blame the writers for not putting it in bc time exists and there’s only so much of it but I wish we’d seen more of ponyboys mental struggles or maybe even a short court scene showing them labeled innocent and it could have included ponyboy getting confused like in the book but I’m not mad bc it was getting to be a long musical
I did think the idea of ponyboy choosing to share johnnys message of staying gold by writing their story was very cutesy
awwwwww the way they ate dinner together and showed him improving by him eating a little bit like yes baby steps disordered eating is no joke and family dinners are amazing especially since the first few months of family dinners were probably sad and empty and tense and angry and then Johnny happened and they were sad and empty again until he started eating and the way darry didn’t make a big deal out of it and let him go slow :,)
#outsiders musical#the outsiders musical#ponyboy curtis#johnny cade#darry curtis#dally winston#cherry valance#randy adderson#two bit mathews#outsiders broadway#paul holden
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ok so I mean im literally the CEO of baseball aus....should I do it?
Dizzy as hell but. Sports au. Like idk baseball, or basketball, or football, or tennis, or volleyball, or SOMETHING
Oh my god sports anime’s your characters. The socs are actually just another team and rumbles are games and any kind of tussles beforehand are like scrimmages/ mock games or whatever depending on the sport. I don’t know jack about sports but I am thinking.
Idk who coaches would be. Maybe the oldest in each group or they’re just random characters
#thinking about that scene in the sandlot where the rich travel team kids pull up and challenge them to a game#that's so greasers vs socs coded#the outsiders
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