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[hydravns]

GOTENKS SSJ3 ゴテンクス in DRAGONBALLZ KAI

The Final Chapters Ep 49: On a Roll! Buu-Buu-Volleyball!

[nerdreamer]

[dkmoosedk]

FUUUUUSION... HAAAA

[iwatchanime]

[markushasadeathwish]

[timbothewimbo]

bye bye eyebrows!

This is just a rough sketch at the moment!

[velvetvexations]

Hot take but the Buu Saga legit sucks so bad and it's almost entirely because Toriyama couldn't keep Goku dead. If Goku never came back for the tournament or anything it'd be fantastic. If Gohan and Gotenks put down Buu, with an assist from Vegeta probably, everything would be cool and awesome, but Goku coming back fucks it all over so hard and completely ruins the end of the Cell Saga with Gohan's ascendency and Goku refusing to come back to life because he felt he did more harm than good.

My appreciation of Dragon Ball dived when I started reassessing it post-Battle of the Gods and while I can still point to a lot of things about the earlier stuff that bothers me on some level, it's 90% Buu that drives me off a cliff, and what does bother me about what came before would be redeemed if WAIT FOR GOKU really had been countered and put to rest in the end.

It also sucks that Super Saiyan 3 created the very problem it was supposed to parody, because previously SSJ2 had just been Gohan awakening to his true power. It wasn't actually a separate form per se until suddenly it became classified as the middle step between SSJ and SSJ3, not only codifying the infamous trend of forms on yet more forms* but also invalidating Gohan's achievement and what it meant to him.

*yes, Freeza and Cell went through forms, but a limited number in a very short period of time, and for Super Saiyan there was only Grade Two and Three during the fight with Semi-Perfect Cell, both of which were immediately dismissed as not having practical application

[sometipsygnostalgic]

Super Saiyan Tingly Feeling

Caulifla's transformation into Super Saiyan 1/2 is trashy and underwhelming and demystifies Super Saiyan, but I also love it as the logical conclusion for Super Saiyan fan theories.

Like... Goku could turn Super Saiyan all the way back in Namek saga. Caulifla and Kale are wAAAAAAAAY stronger than Goku was back at Namek, so it makes sense that their bodies are able to handle not only SSJ1, but also higher forms of SSJ. If one's ability to turn super saiyan is capped by their body's own strength, rather than being inherent to all Saiyans regardless of power, then this makes sense.

We can also view this compared to Goten and Trunks. Now, Future Trunks had to train quite hard to turn Super Saiyan, he had to feel "the Rage", but he and Gohan got there as children, much sooner than Goku. Then, in the main timeline, Goten and Trunks both seemed to have an inherent super saiyan ability. In Trunks' case, the presence of Vegeta and Goten would have made him more likely to discover this ability, and in Goten's case, not only was Goku already a super saiyan when he was concieved (unlike Gohan and future Trunks), he's also had Trunks and Gohan (and ChiChi???) to compete with. The higher base power level combined with a competitive environment helped them out.

So, Kale and Caulifla are much stronger than Goten and Trunks, who seemed to always have the ability to transform without the need for any sort of blood ending rage (unless you count being a kid).

How does a Super Saiyan transform without feeling blood ending rage? Well it obviously happens all the time. While Vegeta is always mad, and Gohan sometimes needs that extra push, Goten and Trunks and Goku clearly do not need anger to transform.

So, of course, they do it via a "tingly feeling on their back"!!!! How mechanical. It's so stupid, but I love it.

Only Caulifla who probably doesn't feel rage any more than Goku required this method to learn to transform. Her body is incredibly strong so she could reach SSJ2 off the bat. The show teases SSJ3, I think she does have the physical strength for it, it probably requires a psychological push though. Even Gotenks didn't go SSJ3 until Goten watched his mother die and trained super hard.

Kale, though... I'd be shocked if this was the first time Kale transformed. Her form is just called "a berserk super saiyan" in show, but it's clearly "legendary super saiyan" from the movies. She has so much gay anger that I can imagine her transforming once before to beat the shit out of someone who smacktalked Caulifla or got too close to her. Maybe Caulifla is so strong that Goku was the first, but it's clear that Kale is the physically stronger of the two girls, even with Caulifla's super saiyan 2.

Cabba got the Vegeta treatment and Vegeta probably isn't aware of the tingly-feeling-on-your-back method. He just uses his unending well of rage to transform every time. He wouldn't teach Cabba such a pussy haxxor method of going Super Saiyan. Cabba needs to understand the RAGE OF HIS ANCESTORS.

[transmetropolitan]

Madurar es aceptar que las sacas de cell y Majin buu a pesar de que fueron hechas sobre la marcha están casi a la altura que la saga de freezer

Nos encontramos ante la clásica triada; para mi todas están al mismo nivel, solo que la gente termina prefiriendo una u otra por gustos personales, la verdad.

No voy a hablar de todos los momentos epicardos, pero la saga de Freezer es una excelente conclusión a todo lo que se planteo en la saga sayayin.

La saga de Cell tiene viajes en el tiempo, y yo mucho no soy fan de eso porque la verdad que es dificil hacerlo bien, y no creo que Dragon Ball es la saga para explorar eso. Igual, agradezco que lo hayan dejado lo más simple posible, sin mucha vuelta, es lo mejor. Pero sabes que? No me importa, porque Trunks del futuro es re canchero, y más canchero aún es el Gohan del futuro sin un brazo. Primera y única vez que Toriyama hace a un peleador con una limitación física (si no contamos al mecha Tao pai pai)

La saga de buu hmmmmmm, sabes que nunca me terminó de gustar el concepto de la fusión. Gotenks y Vegito son re cancheros, pero es cómo un recurso medio berreta para seguir tirando más personajes super poderosos al final. Igual, buu para mi es un villanaso y la pelea entre el buu chiquito y Goku ssj3 esta en mi top 3 de peleas donde Goku muerde a su rival.

Las 3 sagas están llenos de peleas para disfrutar, y justamente, hay que reconocer el laburo que se hizo aunque haya sido a los chapasos. Son de esas cosas que te hasta hoy en día te las enganchas viendo. Inoxidables. Esas cosas que no me gustan la verdad que se quedan chicas porque, como yo creo en este caso, lo épico justifica lo ilogico

Solo quiero decir que mi personal favorito es la saga sayayin. Esa pelea de Gohan, Krillin, Piccoro, Ten Shinhan y Chaos contra Nappa fue los más violento y desesperante que vi de pendejo.

Como pasaban esto en cartoon network a las 2 de la tarde, no lo sé, pero que epocas

[alltheotherblogs]

Hot fucking DBZ take.

First, I don't like Super. REALLY don't like it. I acknowledge that some of it is interesting and alright, the rest just sucks. Now the hot take; Super Saiyan 2 should've been called Super Saiyan Rage. Super Saiyan 3 should've been called Super Saiyan Ozaru or Super Saiyan Dragon. Let me explain... Goku knows from the start that to reach Super Saiyan 2 Gohan MUST access his rage boost power-up, which during the cell saga, (Especially when we see Vegeta finally recognize Trunks as his son) is viewed as a Gohan only and hybrid saiyan only ability. Obviously Buu Saga wasn't great and is largely seen as having a lot of flaws, giving everyone SSJ2 is one of these flaws.

With the appearance of Super Saiyan 3 in the Buu Saga, we see Goku tap into both the Ozaru form and the Dragon Soul with the various times he uses it. Tapping into the Ozaru being something HE learned in the original dragon ball manga & anime, which is probably why Goku is the first one to discover and really do it. Yes, Gotenks can do it, but it's not like Goku's version of the form, it feels incomplete, even forced at times. Gotenks knows how to do it, but it is the true version? Just like how Gohan's version of SSJ2 is the only true version in my personal headcanon. Probably why they later gave Gohan his Beast transformation, SSJ2 should've just been what Beast later copped out. I don't know about appearances of SSJ3 in Super, like I said, I don't watch or read or keep up with Super. As far as I'm concerned, I'll watch DB Daima and be done. Super saiyan Blue just kinda sickens me. I think some acknowledgement that these forms are, or at least should've been unique is due to us as fans. SSJ2 should've been Gohans to perform and master, SSJ3 should've been Goku's, Vegeta should've earned a transformation himself, but Vegeta never really did get a true character arc. More of just Vegeta being cocky and arrogant despite repeatedly learning the same lessons over and over.

[nerdreamer]

[galexibrain]

The Guardians of Otherworld

About 13-15 years ago I started a DBZ fanfic that was called "Guardians of Otherworld".

It started with Goku dying from old age and ending up in the afterlife, where he realized that all his friends and family who died before him - Chichi, Bulma, Vegeta, Krillin ... had been allowed to keep their bodies.

They all live in a giant mansion that looked a lot like Capsule Corp, and the first thing Goku does is eat the food set out on a table. But well, uhm - it was Vegeta's, because now there's TWO people that are still hungry even when dead, and Vegeta's pissed because fucking Kakarot ate his food.

Lord Kaio then explains to him that after Buu they decided they couldn't lose the strength of the last two full-blooded Saiyans in the universe, so Vegeta and Goku get to keep their bodies. And everyone else too, because no one wants to risk leaving Goku and Vegeta alone without at least some distraction lmao.

Bulma tells Goku that she's glad he's finally here because Vegeta who's been dead for ten years, was so bored without a proper opponent to fight that he was absolutely unbearable.

And Vegeta is very excited to show off how strong he's gotten while training in Otherworld ...

In chapter two Goku and Vegeta go to have their big rematch on the world of the Kaioshin, because everything's a mess there after Buu anyways.

They fight, and during this fight Vegeta reveals that he finally achieve SSJ3 in the afterlife, and that this is the whole secret: the vers first transformation to SSJ3 needs so much energy that a living person can't possibly do it. Gotenks was an exception because the rules for a fusion are different.

(Ngl I've kept this headcanon ever since lol]

Anyways, Vegeta defeats Goku in that rematch and he's learned teleportation too from some dead Yardrat peeps.

The fic ends after chapter two and I never picked it up again but here's some highlights:

Bulma is an Otherworld celebrity bc she keeps inventing cool stuff

Vegeta and Goku have to do the dishes together. It ends with them slapping each other with wet dishcloths

Chichi pulls Vegeta back by his tail when he tries to leave the dishes undone

Getting enough food for Vegeta and Goku to Otherworld is a real pain in the ass

Old Kai was against the entire idea of letting them keep their bodies but he's come around since Roshi died. They're besties (guess why)

Goku and Vegeta are constantly fighting over food and turn everything into a competition

It's not very well written but there are some funny bits I have to admit. Lol.

[greatwyrmgold]

Watched Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero on a whim the other night. Things I liked:

Pan. She had so much fun whenever she was with Papa or Grandpa Piccolo! Not so much when they were both busy fighting the giant monster, but hey.

The movie focuses on Piccolo, Gohan, and Pan instead of Goku and Vegeta.

Magenta's rant about how Capsule Corp is clearly just a front for a coalition of alien invaders working to control the Earth. It's 90% recognizable conspiratorial nonsense (minus the antisemitism and unpleasant context) and 10% weird sh*t that's just canon.

Despite the Red Ribbon Army's advanced intelligence-gathering tech, they still consider Mr. Satan to be a threat on par with Goku or Vegeta.

Piccolo has a house now!

Super Sai-ants.

Gamma 1's occasional moments of genre savvy. The first thing he says is "You say you killed King Piccolo? Did you look for the body?"

The Gammas in general, really. Especially the background squabbling-siblings moments.

All the new characters have such delightful, quirky personalities. Dragon Ball is at its best when it's a comedy series spiced with action.

Piccolo doing that thing Frieza did in the Broly movie where he hurt Paragus to make Broly get a rage-induced power-up, just without actually hurting Pan.

I can't talk much about Max Cell without ruining the positive tone I'm aiming for here, but I like the way he serves as a fulcrum of conflict between Magenta and Dr. Hedo, and that his design makes Semi-Perfect Cell look intimidating. (And not just by virtue of being kaiju-sized.)

One storyboard artist really liked the idea of the Z-fighters jumping off of high things in skydiving poses before activating their flight, and the higher-ups were right to let them do it twice.

Namekian stretchy-arms and gigantification return! Piccolo even uses both at the same time! More Dragon Ball fight scenes should use weird little abilities like that; stretchy arms aren't gonna win a fight Piccolo would lose otherwise, but they make a fight scene more unique and interesting.

The animation is good, the haters just noticed that it's CG.

Pan. She's adorable.

Things I didn't like:

Enough "Ha ha, Dr. Hedo/Gotenks is fat" jokes to stand out as a Thing.

Act 3 is basically just one overstuffed fight scene.

Cell Max is fine as a plot point and setpiece, I guess, but also not interesting.

There is no way Goten and Trunks haven't been fusing for fun enough to remember how it works. If they messed up because they were rushing or because of a disruption from the active action scene or something, that would be one thing, but suggesting that they're just rusty is...kinda dumb.

Gohan's new transformation feels like that form Future Trunks got in the Goku Black arc, in that it's an unexplained power-up he randomly got that I assume is meant to justify him fighting god-tier foes, but they didn't want to give him Super Saiyan God or Blue because reasons. My feelings about Orange Piccolo are similar, but with more understanding about why they didn't give him an existing Super Saiyan form and less irritation about being an obvious retread of the Super Saiyan 2 transformation bit in the Cell arc.

Also, Gohan's new transformation's hair. On one hand, it's among the most obvious ways that said transformation is calling back to the SSJ2 transformation against Cell, which is irritating. On the other hand, it also looks absurd. It's just...scale up Gohan's preteen hairstyle by 250% and make it gray. Why gray? And why make it that big? If it had gone full SSJ3 I might have liked it, but it doesn't go far enough, and the hair stays too stiff, like it doesn't realize it's three feet long and should be pulled down by gravity.

Basically every scene on Beerus's planet, and not just because Goku and Vegeta were there. It's good to establish why they're not coming in to save the day, but they didn't need to spend so much time on it! And they definitely didn't have to use that time on a pointless fight scene and Beerus flirting with Cheelai!

Gohan getting more focus? Getting to be a character who's important to the plot? I like that! The interpretation of that idea as "Gohan needs to focus on training instead of studying all the time"? Not so much. At least it was mixed in with a dash of "You're so focused on the academic stuff that you're neglecting your family, too," which is a less frustrating point.

[duhragonball]

Dragon Ball GT 38

✨GT stands for Gastrointestinal Torture✨

✨Is this episode worse than “The Roaming Lake”?✨

Yes, this episode is automatically worse than “The Roaming Lake”, because this is the one where Goten and Trunks are about to fuse and Goku tells them not to.

  This is the dumbest thing this show has ever done.  Goten and Trunks haven’t done shit-all this entire series.  Everyone just wanted to see Adult Gotenks, and this piece-of-crap anime refused to deliver.  Well, you know what, Dragon Ball GT?  We don’t need your broken promises anymore!   This is the 21st century!  And we have Dragon Ball Heroes. 

Look at this.  Look at this.  GT Gotenks.  You love to see it.

  Am I overreacting?  I don’t think I am.  They put Gotenks in Battle of Gods, Dragon Ball Super and DBS Super Hero.  He didn’t even do that much in any of those shows, but they still put him in there because the people love Gotenks, and they just like to see how he’s doin’. 

But not GT!  Noooooo.  The people making GT heard fans asking “Please sir, might you favor us with a crumb of Gotenks?” and they were like ���Bleah, bleah!  No Gotenks for anyone!  Bleah!”

“The Roaming Lake” is a lot of things.  Stupid, yes.  Boring, certainly.  But it’s not a liar.  Nam was trying to get water for his village and dammit, they got some water.

  We all know the REAL Goku wouldn’t turn down some Gotenks action.  He’s the one who taught Goten and Trunks how to do it. He would have been like, “Yeah, boys, do some fusion, this is gonna kick ass!”  And then SSJ3 Gotenks would have busted out Stardust Breaker and one-shotted Baby.  Then Vegeta would have woken up and said “No, I can’t be satisfied with this victory, not until Kakarot and I fuse so we can face our sons in awesome fusion battle, men-to-men.”  And then it would have been Gotenks vs. Gogeta in a heartwarming father-son match on Planet Vegeta. 

✨ “Good” “Ideas”, Poorly Executed✨

All right, let me back up and provide some context for this travesty. 

So Baby and Goku were both knocked out last episode, but Baby got a reviving dose of Blutz waves from Bulma, while Goku is running on fumes.  Kibitoshin is arranging support for him, but they aren’t ready yet.  So Baby starts teeing of on Goku, because, hey, it’s a free shot. It’s like when you have Goten and Trunks in your anime, and you know you could just have them fuse into Gotenks whenever you want.  Why would you hold back?  Sorry, I’m getting off-track.

Anyway, Pan rushes into defend her grandfather, and it’s a pretty heroic scene, but Kozo Morishita said Pan can’t have a hero moment, so Baby just smacks her down again.  You know, they really should have turned Pan Super Saiyan, if only to justify her getting clobbered by Baby without getting seriously hurt.   It’s just such an obvious thing to do, like having Gotenks in your show... Oh, I’m doing it again, aren’t I?

So Baby moves into finish off Pan, because apparently he can trade blows with a Super Saiyan 4, but he needs multiple tries to kill a base-form Saiyan child.  Then Goku tries to hold him at bay, but Baby knows he’s helpless, so he just keeps going, until...

Trunks shows up to make the save.  Cool!  I don’t know why his ki blast could stop Baby, but SSJ4 Goku’s couldn’t, but at least he got here in time.   Trunks turns Super Saiyan, and tries to fight Baby by himself, but he gets nowhere.  This uppercut he delivers looks cool, but it doesn’t actually hurt Baby at all.

  Baby then tells Trunks that he’s currently inhabiting Vegeta’s body, which is weird because I thought Trunks already knew this.  I mean, it’s kind of unclear whether people remember what they did while they were under Baby’s control, but Trunks found out about Baby possessing Vegeta before he got Tuffleized.  Where else would Baby have gotten a Super Saiyan Oozaru to ride around in?

Then Goten, Gohan, and Kibitoshin arrive and rescue Trunks, and they all regroup to discuss their strategy.  And this is where Goten and Trunks propose fusion, but Goku insists that it won’t work, even if they all attack at once.  So what should they do, then?

Well, this, basically.  Goku wants the boys to turn Super Saiyan and give him their power.  This will restore him to full strength, and since he’s a Super Saiyan 4, he’ll have what it takes to defeat Baby once and for all. 

All right, so let me deconstruct this idea, because I hate it so, so, much.

  I don’t claim to understand power scaling.  But I’ve never been able to comprehend how characters pooling their power into one teammate is better than just fighting together as a group.  I had the same grip with the Broly movie, which is probably where this episode got the idea from, although we also see a similar trick used in the Lord Slug movie, and Baby used it a few episodes back when he had these same guys working for him.

The idea seems to be that Super Saiyan 4 Goku can somehow use that power more effectively than the others can individually, but I have a hard time buying that.  Maybe there’s some sort of stacking effect, where Goku can get more out of the same amount of ki energy.  Hey, you know what else has a stacking effect?  Fusion.

So even if this is the best play, wouldn’t it make a lot of sense for Goten and Trunks to fuse, and then stand around Goku and give him Super Saiyan power?  At least that way, if Baby tried to stop them, Gotenks would be in a better position to run interference. 

Also, why is Kibitoshin just standing around watching this?  He has healing powers, even if the Elder Kai claimed that they wouldn’t be sufficient to restore Goku’s strength.  So why doesn’t he put that to the test?  Even if he can only get Goku a quarter of the way to where he needs to be, that’s still better than nothing. 

Or even if Kibitoshin knows that wouldn’t work, why didn’t he grab some senzu beans on the way here?  Or he could have brought Dende along and they could have both healed Goku in some sort of kinky three-way healing session. 

I’ll admit that I’m splitting hairs here.  It’s just a cartoon, and it really doesn’t matter how they get Goku across the finish line, but it really makes me nutty how Toei seemed to go out of their way to arrange this bullshit. Like, there’s so many other options on the table, many of them involving Super Saiyan Pan and Adult GT Gotenks, but instead they went with this:

STANDING AROUND.  That’s the big technique we’re going to use to beat the bad guy.  Just standing around in the open, hoping he doesn’t kill us.

And Baby is actually surprisingly accommodating.  Sure, he tries to kill them before they can re-energize Goku, but he was sporting enough to stand perfectly still while they talked about it. Eventually he attacks, but Goku distracts him with a Solar Flare, and then, when Baby tries to attack again, he doubles over in pain.  What happened to him?  Well he came down with a case of...

✨Positivity Page✨

Uub! Yeah, Baby thought he had defeated Uub before, when he turned Uub’s own candy beam back on him, but when he picked up the chocolate Uub and ate it, he made a fatal mistake.  Uub was counting on getting swallowed, and he figured he could do more damage to Baby from the inside.  Pretty clever!

Although, it kind of makes you wonder why he waited so long to make his move.  Uub got swallowed way back in Episode 33.  He can apparently change back into a human at will, but why didn’t he attack earlier?  If he’d done this before, when Baby was taking potshots at the Earth, he and Goku probably could have won this thing already.

Then again, it doesn’t work for very long, and Baby manages to spit Uub out, so maybe it was never good for more than a momentary distraction.  Baby finally manages to attack the Saiyan contingent, and for a moment it looks like he won.  Horrified that Pan has been killed, Mr. Satan dares Baby to kill him too, but then...

Goku reveals that he and Pan are fine.  Everything worked, and he’s back to full strength.  Maybe he’s stronger than he was when he first transformed, actually, since he had taken quite a beating before that.   Anyway, Baby’s back to square one. 

Goku declares that it’s time “we both got serious.”  Past time, if you asked me.  This whole fight has been one big boondoggle.  It’s not even that long, but it sucks so much ass that it feels like it’s taken forever.

✨The Blade Braxton Memorial Haiku*✨

No time for Gotenks?

Bite your tongue, sir. He beat

Hitler, didn’t he?

[multiversal-pig-outing]

For me. I say in the potari and fusion dance discussion. Potari does make a fusion with more raw power. But at the cost magic forces or there raw power can split them up. But also there personality is a bit unstable not properly merge.

While fusion dance has more wider range of moves. With more well balance mind. But can be force out of it due to spirt fission and if the fusion is doing something that the components cant. Example gotenks going ssj3 despite goten or trunks unable to do it.

[lilsubbidge]

DRAGON BALL LEGENDS - SSJ3 SPARKING GOTENKS AND MAJIN BUU (HERCULE ASSIST) REVEAL!

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