#gillian loeb

[honestmrdual]

gcpd 👍

[danthepest]

Character trophies of the Gotham City Police Department from Arkham Origins, Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Knight and Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League

[thingsasbarcodes]

Batman: Year One (2011)

[fernsehn]

Speaking of: That Lisa Loeb talk on FAIL BETTER. Oh dear oh dear. What a good one. And in terms of meta-comment on things that were allegedly happening in the 90s but maybe didn't or whatever a perfect prelude to a future Gillian appearance on the podcast. Hehe.

[cantsayidont]

March 1987. The thing that sustains Batman through some lengthy fallow periods and a fair amount of pure dreck is that when he's cool, he's really cool, as in this scene from BATMAN #405, the second part of "Batman: Year One."

It's been a while since I looked at the original issues, and I'm struck by how dramatically Richmond Lewis redid her color scheme for this storyline for the HC and TPB collections. Compare the above pages to the recolored versions:

Note that the reds are complete gone and the saturation is dialed back a lot; the second page is almost grayscale except for the oranges and yellows of the flambé.

[dalekofchaos]

Gunnverse Batman fancast

Fancast for James Gunn’s DCU/Batman!

DCEU recast

Burtonverse Recast

90′s Justice League

Reevesverse Batman

Superman

Wonder Woman

The Flash

Green Lantern

Aquaman

Justice League

Green Arrow

Teen Titans

Suicide Squad

Justice League Dark

Batman Beyond

The Dark Knight Returns

Telltale’s Batman

Injustice

Legion Of Doom

Birds Of Prey

Jensen Ackles as Batman/Bruce Wayne

Peter Capaldi as Alfred Pennyworth

Jon Hamm as Thomas Wayne

Lena Headley as Martha Wayne

Courtney B. Vance as Lucius Fox

Laura Dern as Dr Leslie Thompkins

Bryan Cranston as James Gordon

David Harbour as Harvey Bullock

Stephanie Beatriz as Renee Montoya

Bill Hader as Jack Ryder/The Creeper

Jodie Comer as Vicki Vale

Jesús Castro as Nightwing/Dick Grayson

Kiera Allen as Oracle/Barbara Gordon

Dacre Montgomery as Red Hood/Jason Todd

Lucas Jade Zumann as Red Robin/Tim Drake

Kristen Stewart as Batwoman/Kate Kane

Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Huntress/Helena Bertinelli

Riley Lai Nelet as Batgirl/Cassandra Cain

Mckenna Grace as Spoiler/Stephanie Brown

Izaac Wang as Robin/Damian Wayne

John Boyega as Batwing/Luke Fox

Caleb McLaughlin as Duke Thomas/The Signal

Alexander Ludwig as Azrael/Jean Paul Valley

Michael B Jordan as Azrael/Michael Lane

Ana De Armas as Catwoman/Selina Kyle

Brian Cox as Commissioner Gillian Loeb

Sam Witwer as Captain Howard Brandon

Michael Weatherly as Detective Arnold Flass

Robert De Niro as Carmine Falcone

Gina Mantegna as Sofia Falcone

David Dastmalchian as Alberto Falcone

James Carpinello as Mario Falcone

Al Pacino as Sal Maroni

John Goodman as Rupert Thorne

Michael Imperioli as Anthony Zucco

Willem Dafoe as The Joker

Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn

David Tennant as The Riddler/Edward Nygma

Alfred Molina as The Penguin/Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot

Oscar Isaac as Two-Face/Harvey Dent

Giancarlo Esposito as Mr Freeze/Victor Fries

Viggo Mortensen as Black Mask/Roman Sionis

Jane Levy as Andrea Beaumont/The Phantasm

Adam Driver as Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane

Kevin Grevioux as Killer Croc

Laz Alonso as Bane

Doug Jones as Man-Bat/Kirk Langstrom

Peter Stormare as Clayface/Basil Karlo

Toby Jones as Mad Hatter/Jervis Tetch

John Lithgow as The Ventriloquist/Arnold Wesker

Natalie Dormer as The Ventriloquist II/Peyton Riley

Dohmnall Gleeson as Hush/Thomas Elliot

Raul Esparza as Hugo Strange

Anya Taylor-Joy as Poison Ivy

Pedro Pascal as Deadshot/Floyd Lawton

Frank Grillo as Deathstroke/Slade Wilson

Finn Wittrock as Talon/William Cobb

Karl Urban as Owlman/Thomas Wayne Jr

Stephen Fry as Professor Pyg

Stephen Lang as David Cain

Daniel Radcliffe as Anarky

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Cluemaster

Keanu Reeves as Prometheus

Ming-Na Wen as Lady Shiva

Ghassan Massoud as Ra’s Al Ghul

Nadine Njeim as Talia Al Ghul

Yasmine Al Massri as Nyssa Al Ghul

Michael Fassbender as Dr Simon Hurt

Kat Graham as Jezebel Jet/Black Glove

Christian Bale as The Batman Who Laughs

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Batman Begins

by Tyrannus2 A retelling and respin of Batman Begins with my own twist to it. But most of the story of Batman Begins is the same except with some changes and differences. Words: 1834, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Series: Part 5 of Slightly Elseworlds DC Crossover Universe Fandoms: Batman (Movies - Nolan), DC Extended Universe, DC Animated Universe (Timmverse), Batman - All Media Types Rating: Mature Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death Categories: F/M Characters: Bruce Wayne, Rachel Dawes, Jim Gordon (DCU), Scarecrow, Jonathan Crane, Ra's al Ghul, The League of Shadows, Gillian B. Loeb, Thomas Wayne, Martha Wayne, Alfred Pennyworth Relationships: Rachel Dawes/Bruce Wayne, Alfred Pennyworth & Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Movie 1: Batman Begins (2005), Bruce Wayne is Batman, POV Rachel, Pre-Movie: The Dark Knight (2008) via https://ift.tt/UpPe7nv

[mlobsters]

supernatural s10e6 ask jeeves (w. eric charmelo, nicole snyder)

i looked her up because she reminds me of tissea from the witcher (spoiler alert looking her up apparently, i've been [sadly] bored to tears with s3 so i haven't finished it) but she was in coyote ugly! so i did recognize her. ish

s10e6 / coyote ugly - izabella miko as cammie / the witcher - myanna buring as tissaia

we got an spn / xfiles / the magicians / the killing actor! 🎉

and he was in the tooms episode of the x-files! (along with two others). and he was the faith healer in spn s1e12 faith, didn't recognize him at all with the sunglasses

the x-files s1e3 squeeze - kevin mcnulty as agent fuller / the magicians s2e1 km as knight of crowns / the killing s1e13 km as gas station manager

saw a gifset of this recently and spent plenty of time staring and rolling my eyes then. also, toxic masculinity/machismo is very much an issue in the culture but hello cuban coffee colada which comes with the ittiest bittiest cups (think basically creamer cups) for sharing. *pining for miami*

making my 😒 face at dean/writers right now

DEAN Bobby had secrets, man. Like loving on Tori Spelling. If he only knew Dean cheated on her.

cue my brain trying to dig up an old memory of 90210 character names

but no, apparently, her actual spouse Dean McDermott (m. 2006). dean knows this? i can't predict what pop culture stuff dean might know or not. (like interweb?) and like last episode where he didn't know who calliope was, yet he's supposedly read the odyssey?

from s4e14 sex and violence (my recap)

DEAN Like Greek myth siren, The Odyssey? ...Hey, I read!

just say no to dumbing down dean winchester.

also i don't think it's necessarily just sam's haircut that's so odd in this season, but it looks like it's getting blown out too. weird. it's normalish for his look in the front but very ~done~ in the back at times

just say yes to shutting up and watching, nic

s10e6 as heddy / new girl - gillian vigman as kim (schmidt's boss)

but there's more people i recognize 🥲 this is going to take forever. feels very... Clue-like

she calls them adorable, dean engages flirt-mode, sam makes a face. however! for what it's worth! i appreciate that as he's gotten older the rando side character women he flirts with are also regularly around his age or older

BEVERLY Oh but you’re welcome to spend the night. All the rooms sleep two.

HEDDY [slaps Dean’s butt] Or three.

i... okay. mad at the insinuation that sam and dean are sleeping together (?? do they know they're brothers or assuming married?? this show.), but happy about the butt slap/threesome offer?

DEAN You stay here. Keep an eye on Mrs. Peacock and Colonel Mustard. I’ll sniff around.

okay then. Clue it is

DASH Well Sam, I’ll let you in on a little family secret. We don’t really like each other. Then again, what family does? SAM Mine does. Uh, for the most part. It’s just my brother and me, so…

this is how the show has a chokehold on me. just when my commitment to watching every episode wavers, they're like oh but would you like to hear about how much sam and dean looove each other 🥺🥹

maybe toss sam a text before you go into the secret room

cute

is this all just an elaborate ad? lol

look at sam, sending a text to dean about the dude being dead. good job guys

HEDDY Did you see how long his fingers his fingers were? SAM There…there’s just. HEDDY First of all, did you see this? Look how long…

and then at this point in the screenshot she's saying 9 inches?? whaaat is happening

did someone get a ruler out. and measured his..... hand

this episode is a lot

HEDDY I knew those boys were trailer trash the moment they rolled up in that American-made. BEVERLY Not to mention homosexuals. HEDDY Ugh. Homosexual murderers. Like Leopold and Loeb.

guess we're just gonna ignore they're brothers now.

‘Scream’ Screenwriter Kevin Williamson Confirms Billy and Stu’s Queer-Coded Relationship Was Based on Real Gay Killers - huh, well thanks for leading me to that, wikipedia article on leopold and loeb!

DASH Then where have you been hiding all these years? OLIVIA The attic. AMBER Like in the movie.

Reference to Flowers in the Attic, which is a story about children born of an incestuous relationship, who are hidden away in the attic of a wealthy relative

i was trying to think of what it could be referring to that wasn't flowers in the attic because hello incest reference, but okay

SAM I mean….all those extra shots after the shifter was already dead. What was that? DEAN I don’t know. Target practice? SAM Come on, man. I’m serious. You sure it wasn’t….I don’t know, demon residue or something to do with the Mark, or...

demon residue made me laugh

dean getting defensive and weird, i'm sure he's fine

LOL all right (wiki)

Shortly before the episode aired, in November 2014, a Supernatural version of Clue was released.

what an odd episode.

[theshadcws]

The autumn chill of November hung over Gotham on this particular night. Above the soaring building the moon shone down its light, but the stars disappeared in the pollution of the lights that flickered and lit across Gotham and still some parts were covered in darkness. The darkness of no power, and the darkness of the evils that haunted each corner, that lived hidden behind corruption and secrets.

I’ve grown familiar with the long nights and the short hours of sleep, the darkness became my home, the shadows my cover as I watched and waited. More and more the streets became aware of my presence, small glances over their shoulders at the slightest sounds as they dealt their drugs, each action more careful but still, even with the threat of a Bat others grew bolder, the Falcone’s, the Maroni’s, and the corrupt politicians and cops they had in their pockets only worked harder behind false promises of legitimate operations.

The sounds of the night are always the same, the smells radiating with the rising of steam from manhole covers, the chugging of trains along the tracks and the cars avoiding civilians that littered the streets. It was so far quiet, quiet until the signal suddenly appeared high in the clouds, a signal that was a warning to some, and a sense of hope and security to others.

•••

My heavy boots pressed down against the cement roof of the Gotham City Police Department walking towards the glow of the bat signal where I could see in the light a shadow of a man who stood beside it waiting, the same man I’ve worked with over the past couple of years, one of the only men in the city and within the department that trusted my involvement in certain cases, that trusted my involvement in the streets.

“Detective Gordon…” I spoke as I approached to catch his attention, and to not startle him completely. He turned towards my voice while stepping closer himself.

“Come on, we need to go right now before this department ruins the scene of what I need to show you.”

Something about his demeanor was off, whatever had happened shook Gordon, disturbed him. I followed him, and as we made our way through the building I got the same stares I had always received from the uniformed officers, any talks quieted when we walked by and only some threw remarks my way. Through it all Gordon was quiet, and even in his car he remained quiet.

We pulled up to a street, the red and blue lights of the multiple cop cars on the scene danced off the walls of the buildings in the area.

“It’s Commissioner Loeb.” He finally broke the silence as the caution tape was lifted so he could slowly roll his car into the area before coming to a stop. I glanced over to him, my eyes peering through the white lens that fell down to cover my eyes, a lens prototype I had been working with to easier and more quickly scan areas that would normally call for longer and closer inspections.

We stepped out, and again the stares came. Even after all this time they would still look at me with the same stares, stares that wanted answers, clarity of who I was, or if they could trust me, but also stares that seemed almost frightened, nervous, uneasy of the figure they saw. Those were my intentions.

“They got the call not too long ago from a drunk college student walking back to their apartment. They saw what looked like a body in this alley.” Gordon continued as he gave nods to the officers who then let him bring me closer to the scene. A body laid out on the floor of the dark alley, lit up by lights brought in to help illuminate the scene, the body slumped in a way as if it dropped suddenly. The blood stained the concrete.

“We don’t know why he was here, his car is parked right outside the alley, but there’s just no answers of what made him come down this way.”

I nodded as I knelt when we were close enough to the body and that’s when I saw who it was, Commissioner Gillian Loeb. His throat was sliced clean, quick. Whatever blade was used was meant to do exactly what it did.

“Commissioner Loeb …” I let my lens scan the area as I swept my head around his immediate surroundings first.

“Do you think this has anything to do with the recent arrest of Johnny Viti? A response attack from the Falcones? Viti comes with a lot of answers.” I spoke as I searched around before rising to my feet when I saw nothing of importance.

The loss of Commissioner Loeb leaves the leadership of the GCPD open, something that could be dangerous depending on the hands it lands in. People could take chances in this time, challenge anyone who steps into the role.

“We can’t be sure, but it’s an obvious possibility.”

“What did you call me in for then?” I continued to scan the area as I spoke, walking around and letting all the visuals and recording be stored to reanalyze back in the cave. Normally Gordon had his reasons for getting me involved. A letter addressed to The Batman, finding specific people, helping to solve any clues or assist in a way to decipher messages. But he hasn’t given me anything yet.

“That’s the thing, there’s nothing I’ve seen yet. The longer it takes, if this was something involving that? The less of a chance we have of finding one because you know they have half these guys in their pockets as it is.”

He spoke the final words to me in a near whisper so it wouldn’t be overheard. I finished my walk around and let the white lenses slip back into the mask, revealing my eyes as I looked at Gordon and saw a man who hadn’t gotten 7 hours of sleep in probably the past 3 days. A man who has been worn down by this city, but still believed in it. Tired, but he cared for Gotham. He was rare.

“I’ve got the scene recorded and saved. I’ll need to look it over closer, I’ll have an answer later tonight. What happens now? Who is the mayor …” My words trailed off as something suddenly caught my eye on the ground near the lifeless fingers of Loeb.

“That’s the other thing. The Mayor called me, she wanted to act quickly with elections coming, I’ll be acting Commissioner, which means I can’t be everywhere. We need to talk about what that really means later.”

I listened to Gordon’s words but my eyes focused on the item and the white lens once again covered my gaze. I knelt down, my black cape covering the ground around me, and my gloved hand reached over to pick up what was a feather. The feather was long, and wide, tan with stripes. I got a scan from it, the AI coming to the conclusion it was a feather of an owl. I’ve never seen much owls in Gotham, and this feather seemed like it was left behind, not fallen off by chance. It was meant to be found.

“Keep me updated on any other findings. You know how to reach me, commissioner.”

“I–” Gordon turned to face me, but I was gone. Walking into the darkness before I was already gone from the scene, the feather was taken to come with me.

•••

“Alfred, what do you know about owls in the Gotham area? Anything of significance?”

I’d made it back to my car, driving down the streets of Gotham towards the highway I would take back to Wayne Manor to further study the scene I had just left.

Commissioner Gillian Loeb left for dead, a clean cut from what would be a very sharp blade. No-one had answers, no-one knows what caused Loeb to enter the alley and be caught so off guard, but this would be a shift, this was a message, this was done with intent. There was a power struggle in Gotham, the struggle of keeping streets clean, the struggle to let the citizens rest easy. Still, there were others in Gotham who felt they weren’t heard, the struggling sections mostly impacted by the darkness that still controlled so much of this city. Corruption that now had an opportunity to take further control.

The elections for Mayor of Gotham was days away, Jonathan Viti was weeks away from trial, and the only clue I had so far was the feather of an owl.

“Owls, sir?” Alfred’s English accent sounded on the speakers as he spoke.

“Yeah, I found something that might be important to the death of Commissioner Loeb, but maybe I’m just looking too deeply into things.”

“You? Overanalyzing? I’ve never–”

“Alfred…”

“Well alright Master Bruce. Owls do have a home in Gotham, but not so much in the city streets. Then there was the urban legend of owls, a conspiracy theory if you will. And of course they happen to be one of the bats' dangerous predators.”

“What’s the conspiracy theory?” I wasn’t normally one to invest too much weight into these stories, the dark legends told of Gotham, some of which would involve my family name.

“They are called 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐎𝐰𝐥𝐬, sir.”

𝙏𝙤 𝘽𝙚 𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙪𝙚𝙙 . . .

[heather-chandlers-weirder-cousin]

This just in: I learned that the name Gillian can be a boy's name (There's a guy named Gillian Loeb)

This just in: I learned that Gillian can be a person's name (there's a guy named Gillian Loeb)

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[littlesparklight]

Thought about this again recently, and, still this.

Like, by late antiquity you start getting the versions (Colluthus' Rape of Helen, either Dictys or Dares, I don't remember right now) where, instead of as in the earlier versions, Paris turns up when Menelaos has already left for Crete, and whether he and Helen meet in Sparta or outside of it, they run off/he takes her basically immediately.

The earlier/epic version, which, yes, means he breaks xenia, is the version that allows for some proper sort of connection to begin to be made. For them to have exchanged more than just a word or two. For initial attraction to have deepened - I don't mean to something "meaningful", there's no way you can get that in only nine days, but merely deepened.

Those nine days in Sparta allows for the room necessary for there to even be any ambiguity and potential agency that is implied in the language of "I went/followed/left", that Helen uses in the Iliad, all more or less active words. Same for the more or less neutral language the narrative/Hektor uses, as well.

Those nine days are vital for it to be possible to read any sort of ambiguity, agency, and complexity into both Helen's character and actions regarding her leaving Sparta.

Even, or perhaps especially, with the "threat" of Aphrodite.

Because yes, in the end Helen is going to leave. That's unavoidable. There's no ambiguity possible about that. The threat of not just mortal and physical force, but divine such, is always there behind any potential action Helen herself might have taken.

But those nine days is what allows for the language of seduction/"deception" that is being used about Paris regarding Helen. Those nine days is what allows for depictions like this

(The hand on wrist gesture is wedding imagery.)

And similar; there's not really any (surviving) art of Paris in the position of pursuer, as we see on vases where gods/goddesses are pursing women or youths. There's also certainly no art such as that of Helen and Theseus, where he is (aside from one exception I'm aware of) always shown bodily lifting Helen up or chasing her.

Basically any early source (even if some of them, like Alcaeus and his poem about Thetis, are more obviously than others rooted in clearly misogyny), affords a certain ability to act for Helen.

(Trans. by Gillian Spraggs)

Like Sappho here; it's the same thing as Helen's use of more or less active language in the Iliad "abandoned"; "went sailing". Paris is here the passive love object/beloved, and Helen the (active) lover; but this isn't particularly unusual. You get hints of the same in Helen and Aphrodite's confrontation, where it's Paris' attractiveness to Helen that matters, and Aphrodite's description of him turns him into a pretty, attractive love-object.

An "object", which, even when Helen is (no longer?) fond of him, doesn't stop her from being attracted to him;

(Kirk's The Iliad: A Commentary, Vol. 1)

and

(Nancy Worman, Body As Argument)

There's also the language used in both Proclus' summary of the Kypria and the Bibliotheke's account of this part of the war (my emphasis in both of these excerpts):

"Then Aphrodite brings Helen together with Alexander, and after making love they put most of Menelaus' property on board and sail away in the night." (Greek Epic Fragments, Loeb; trans. West)

"Alexander persuaded Helen to go off with him. And she abandoned Hermione, then nine years old, and putting most of the property on board, she set sail with him by night." (Bibliotheke, Epitome)

Obviously, as Ruby Blondell puts forth in her book Helen of Troy, one doesn't have to be literally have to be carried off for there to potentially be force involved in leaving "willingly" (see up there my note and Aphrodite's presence, and the fact of her promised gift to Paris). But again, we have all this active language ascribed to or used by Helen and secondly, and this is also quite important in ancient Greek cultural ideas in their myths;

even under divine influence (if we should even ascribe any active/forced/magical one to be involved in what's going on between Paris and Helen, aside from Aphrodite's plain physical presence and her very clearly being depicted talking to Helen at times), you have responsibility for your actions. They're still your actions, and you're the one who undertook them. Seduction, too, is basically all the time considered "deception", and you also have this sort of attitude baked into especially early ancient Greek cultural attitudes:

(The Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite: Erotic "Ananke" by Hugh Parry)

(The Justice of Aphrodite in Sappho Fr. 1 by Anne Giacomelli)

In the end, it definitely comes down to this for me; going with the active actions and allowing real (and enduring! even when she doesn't want it!) attraction to Paris, is the only thing that allows for some complexity and agency for Helen in this situation.

For most of the ancient Greek authors who gave Helen this sort of active involvement in her "abduction" it was obviously a certain amount of misogyny involved; it allowed blame and responsibility to put on a woman "frivolously" leaving everything behind and not being a proper, well-behaved woman and married wife. But you see the same language, as noted, even in the Iliad, and Sappho's Fr. 16 doesn't immediately reveal any misogynistic idea behind Helen going off; in fact, it's the whole underpinning of the poem's ideas about love/desire.

And as always, one has to acknowledge that, culturally, all the men can and in most cases do, sleep with other women they're not married with. Menelaos himself does; not just the slave woman who gives birth to Megapenthes (which would definitely be post-Helen leaving Sparta), but the Bibliotheke mentions Xenodamas, born to him of Knossia (a nymph or a slave) in Crete; no time is given for this, but I'd say it's reasonable it's before the war.

Helen, in contrast, whether when unmarried or as a married woman, cannot do the same.

As a good, proper woman and wife, she "should not" sleep with anyone (any man) that isn't her husband, and thus she "can not" do this.

Aphrodite or no Aphrodite, Judgement or no Judgement, Helen being potentially attracted to the handsome guest they're hosting and wishing to sleep with him, never mind going through with it, is an unconscionable crime. Whereas if she was a man, it'd be no big thing.

And it's not as if you cannot have a range of possibility in terms of Helen's attitude when she leaves; that is another opportunity for actual complexity. The simplest of course being the classic ~girlboss~ cackling villain sort where she really doesn't care about anything but her own pleasure, but that is also, to me, one of the most boring possibilities in going with a version where Helen has actual agency in the leaving. There are far more potential emotions one can involve, certainly such as the seeds of self-awareness and guilt that would lead to the self-blame later in the Iliad.

I guess, to me, aside from that reducing this situation to a plain kidnapping of poor, unwilling Helen, isn't just boring, it takes away so many more interesting angles.

Especially when there is no question that a certain amount of responsibility and active action on Helen's part is absolutely possible to read into and get from basically all early to mid-late sources. Even the latest ones, where Helen is unquestionably taken, usually starts from the jumping-off point that Helen and Paris' attraction as they see each other is mutual.

The fact that Paris breaking xenia by staying in Sparta +9 days is the only version of Helen leaving Sparta that allows the ambiguity of Helen's agency (and allows her any form of informed agency at all) to even exist.

[blanddcheadcanons]

The GCPD, under Commissioner Loeb, took an entire day off one day, and crime stats dropped 43% that day alone, setting a new low record for Gotham's crime rate, revealing how corrupt the inside of GCPD was at the time.

Crime stats later fell 57% about 5 months after Gordon took office, which was a factor of both being tougher on criminals, and weeding out the corrupt officials and officers on criminal payroll. It fell an extra 6% when he fired SWAT lieutenant Branden. The jails started to clear up as well, with less innocent people being convicted through falsified evidence created by cops trying to get rid of loose ends and "dangerous" witnesses.

Gordon's achievements also inspired change in the overall legal system in Gotham. Gotham's Prosecutor's office had their own "spring cleaning", which led to numerous corrupt attorneys being sacked and certain "cold" cases (mainly ones that were lazily investigated or manipulated) being reopened and solved. The Mayor was eventually found out to have run numerous money laundering operations for Falcone and has hired hitmen to knock off potential "problems", which he now serves life in prison for.

While Gotham still wasn't the safest place in America, it at least stopped being the #1 crime ridden city in the US, which embarrassed cities like St Louis and Chicago. All because one man took his job seriously. That, and a lot of help from a certain black clad vigilante.

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[random-movie-ideas]

And finally, we have our characters that really don't have to be included at all. However, if they did show up, they'd definitely get a thumbs up.

Thomas Wayne AKA Flashpoint Batman

Luke Fox AKA Batwing

David Zavimbe AKA Batwing

Mayor Hamilton Hill

Commissioner Gillian B. Loeb

Sasha Bordeaux

Nora Fries

Holly Robinson

Helena Bertinelli AKA The Huntress

John Constantine

Rex Mason AKA Metamorpho

Jason Blood AKA Etrigan the Demon

Boston Brand AKA Deadman

The Outsiders

Jerome Valeska

Jeremiah Valeska

Duela Dent AKA Joker's Daughter, etc.

Alexis Kaye AKA Punchline

LexCorp

Drury Walker AKA Killer Moth

Julian Gregory Day AKA Calendar Man

William Tockman AKA Clock King

Delbert Billings AKA Spellbinder

Peter Merkel Jr. AKA Rag Doll

Edgar Heed AKA Egghead

Noah Kuttler AKA The Calculator

Dr. Karl Helfern AKA Doctor Death

Alexander Sartorius AKA Doctor Phosphorus

Lazlo Valentin AKA Professor Pyg

Floyd Lawton AKA Deadshot

Elliot Caldwell AKA Wrath

Judson Caspian AKA The Reaper

Matthew Thorne AKA The Crime Doctor

Tony Zucco

The Terrible Trio

The Royal Flush Gang

The Suicide Squad

Nyssa Raatko

David Cain

Sandra Wu-San AKA Lady Shiva

Simon Hurt

The Mutants

Essential Characters to Include in a Batman Series

Next up, we have a list of characters that, if you really want to make a full in-depth Batman series, really ought to be included somehow:

Bruce Wayne AKA Batman

Dick Grayson AKA Robin/Nightwing

Jason Todd AKA Robin/Red Hood

Tim Drake AKA Robin/Red Robin

Damian Wayne AKA Robin

Barbara Gordon AKA Batgirl/Oracle

Stephanie Brown AKA Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl

Cassandra Cain AKA Batgirl

Kate Kane AKA Batwoman

Terry McGinnis AKA Batman Beyond

Alfred Pennyworth

Commissioner Jim Gordon

Harvey Bullock

Renee Montoya

Vicki Vale

Julie Madison

Lucius Fox

Leslie Thompkins

Thomas Wayne

Martha Wayne

Clark Kent AKA Superman

Princess Diana AKA Wonder Woman

The Justice League

The Joker

Harleen Quinzel AKA Harley Quinn

Lex Luthor

Selina Kyle AKA Catwoman

Oswald Cobblepot AKA Penguin

Harvey Dent AKA Two-Face

Edward Nygma AKA The Riddler

Jonathan Crane AKA Scarecrow

Jervis Tetch AKA Mad Hatter

Pamela Isley AKA Poison Ivy

Victor Fries AKA Mr. Freeze

Kirk Langstrom AKA Man-Bat

Basil Karlo AKA Clayface

Roman Sionis AKA Black Mask

Carmine Falcone

Ra's al Ghul

Talia al Ghul

Bane

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