#genetically accurate clan gen

[clangenrising]

i'm assuming yellowkit is a golden black tabby? Wondering if i could make a gene tree for this... bc yellow being gold means mistique and russet have to carry it, and ghost is a blue silver...

Yellowkit is technically Black he just has widebanding going on so yeah I believe only one parrent needs to carry the Wb which is tied to him being a ticked tabby but im not sure. And since Mystique is not a tabby she could have anything under there. However if I'm wrong, I'd love to hear about what the actual genetics of golden are since I'm completely self educated on this topic.

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[clangenrising]

Which Genemod do you use/ what is the name of the one you use? I see a couple different ones on the discord

I use this one by Chinch Bug! I love it and highly recommend it, just make sure to exempt it from your computer's anti virus program cause it looks highly suspicious to most security software.

[clangenrising]

Genemod mention?

Look, ma, I'm famous!

(sorry, I'm just excited and being silly about it)

Haha I have to assume you're the creator of the Genemod since you're on anon haha

But yeah! I adore the genemod. Not only does it mean I don't have to manage the genetically accurate family trees on my own but I really adore the extra mutations and health conditions. I don't usually play with modded litters since I don't like clogging up my notes with dead kittens but I LOVE the fact that you can have multiple sires and that all outsider litters generate a second parent (aside from half clan although i wish they did). I also really like that it gives every cat a bodytype and an exact height. My next clangen project is definitely going to have a height chart.

It's honestly only my love of RisingClan and my desire to finish a project for once in my life that are keeping me from starting over with this new Clan I've been working on. I basically only play Genemod now because it's just so much more fun for me.

[clangenrising]

I’ve also gotten really interested in making my clangen clans as genetically accurate as possible (with some leeway admittedly since I also want variety in colours and patterns). Certainly helps when the code for the cats is so accessible to change. To what extent are you making it as accurate as possible (like if cats have to be part bengal to get the bengal patterning etc)?

So I have a spreadsheet keeping track of every cat's genetic code (at least the genes I understand and know how to track.) I'll use The Rustique Kits as an example.

Here's my Key

Every cat has their own row that details their specific genes. Cats who are "first gen" or don't have any in game/in story parents, often have missing gaps in their genotype since I only know their phenotype for sure. Notice how Russetfrond and Mystique have several "?"s in their genes.

Those ?s are useful because they represent unknown genes that could be recessive traits passed down if I ever need them in their family trees. Some of these genes, like Russetfrond's recessive Dilute gene (d), weren't filled out until I wrote down Yellowkit and Bluekit's genes and knew that I needed them.

I do this with every cat in the Clan and most important cats outside the Clan too.

For things like Bengal, I don't know exactly how those genes work. There are some genes where nobody knows how they work, like widebanding if I'm remembering properly, and for those I'm mostly just going to do my best to make those genes make sense with the tools that I have.

I also heard that cat eye colors can't skip a generation so cats will always have one of their parents' eye colors, unless they have white spotting in which case they might have blue eyes.

So yeah, that's my process haha. I hope that was the kind of answer you were looking for!

[clangenrising]

Actually that does bring up the question

When picking the half-clan mate for Osprey, did you pick mostly/entirely based on when would make the kittens make sense primarily, or did you pick a good cat then change the kittens later on to make sense? A mix of both?

I think you're saying did I pick Pebblefall because they made sense genetically with the kittens or did I pick a character who made sense in the story and then change the kittens to match them genetically.

And the answer is the former. I didn't change the kits to match their sire, I chose Pebblefall because they both made sense genetically and also made sense with Ospreymask. Lucky for me though, Osprey's litter was pretty easy to figure out for reasons I can expand on once they're born.

[clangenrising]

okay, so: least changes time!

myst = longhaired solid blue

razor = shorthaired silver black tabby with mid white

This means that: their parents were shorthaired carrying longhair. Both were carrying dilute. One was hetero tabby (Aa) and one was solid (aa). One of them had high white and the other had no white (to explain myst not having white).

russet = longhaired ginger tabby

Pretty understandable.

However...

Blue = longhaired blue tabby

Yellow = longhaired golden black tabby

If Russet is ginger, blue has to be a tortie (unless she's trans/intersex). Therefore, he can't be ginger, assuming Blue is XX.

One of the parents also need to carry dominant golden, or both carry copper.

Russet needs to carry dilute. Both his kits are tabby, so he's probably AA.

This leaves us with a few options.

Myst (longhaired solid blue carrying copper, XX) x Russet (longhaired cinnamon tabby carrying copper and dilute, XY) = Blue (longhaired blue tabby carrying copper, XX) + Yellow (longhaired black copper tabby, XY) - this is closest to canon without sex change, you'd just need to change russet

OR

Myst (longhaired solid blue, XX) x Russet (longhaired wideband cinnamon tabby, XY) = Blue (longhaired blue tabby, XX) + Yellow (longhaired wideband black tabby, XY)

OR

either of the above, but russet is ginger and blue is X0, not XX, which is the closest to canon with sex change

I love the work you've done here but you've made some pretty big errors.

First things first Blue is a boy, not a girl. He Cannot be a tortie.

Also, as of now, Razor is not a silver tabby, just a blue one. I'm not sure where you got that impression haha. Also, he and Mystique are half siblings who share a mother. I'm pretty sure I said that somewhere but I totally understand you not remembering it.

Also, if it matters, Russetfrond's father was a blue and white tabby named Wolfmoon and his mother, Sunstar, was a ginger ticked tabby. His sister, Heatherwind, was a tortoiseshell and I believe she was dilute but I can't seem to find proof (stupid Tumblr search).

So Russet can stay ginger because he has two sons. Bluekit is not a girl and thus it's fine if he's not ginger. And if I'm reading the rest of your post correctly, that means that neither parent needs to change their phenotype, they just need to be carrying copper? If so, then there we go!

[clangenrising]

There's a few different types of golden. There's CORIN mutations (copper, sunshine, extreme sunshine) which act as regular recessives for the most part (but react in a unique way with silver, like how sunshine silver makes bimetal)

And there's traditional wideband which is realitically moreso polygenic than simple recessive or dominant, aka requires some amount of selective breeding to go from a brown tabby to a golden tabby. Though it's often simplified to a single gene or locus, most often as a dominant gene.

Shaded and chinchilla cats (especially the silver kind) have the traditional type of widebanding, it react pretty normally to silver, but yes a shaded or chinchilla cat without the dominant and separate silver gene will make a golden shaded or chinchilla instead. You don't necessarily need CORIN for golden

Oh wow, that is very complicated ^^;

Which kind of golden would you suggest for Yellowkit, tiven his parentage? If you would need to make changes to make it possible, what option would accomplish his looks with the least amount of changes to his parents or his brother?

Also feel free not to answer, this is just a casual question, no sweat if you don't know or don't want to respond.

[clangenrising]

oops, I use a screenreader - so it probably didn't read Bluekit's gender correctly! But very cool that we only need one change to make it work 👀 - i assumed razor was silver because his base colour appears a very light grey in the images with him in; he's probably supposed to be non-rufosed, then? 🤔

I see haha that makes sense. I've had people thinking Branchbark was a girl before so I think pronouns/gender descriptors can just get lost in the brain shuffle sometimes.

And does he really? To me he's not that different in color from Bluekit. His white spotting is kind of greyish but other than that he looks like a pretty normal dilute tabby to me. He's definitely supposed to be non rufosed. If I had to compare him to an irl cat, it would look like this:

This guy has denser stripes than razor but you can see the pale grey underneath the darker color there.

[clangenrising]

I love when you give characters some white spotting!! It's like they get a little sparkle :]

Right? Every time I fall even more in love with their design

[clangenrising]

Oooh, genetically accurate in regards to her parents or...? 👀

Sadly no haha, in regards to only cats with white markings can have blue eyes

[clangenrising]

I see... okay interesting! I appreciate the education! This stuff is so interesting to me

i'm assuming yellowkit is a golden black tabby? Wondering if i could make a gene tree for this... bc yellow being gold means mistique and russet have to carry it, and ghost is a blue silver...

Yellowkit is technically Black he just has widebanding going on so yeah I believe only one parrent needs to carry the Wb which is tied to him being a ticked tabby but im not sure. And since Mystique is not a tabby she could have anything under there. However if I'm wrong, I'd love to hear about what the actual genetics of golden are since I'm completely self educated on this topic.