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whether you should live or die!
#sage draws sometimes#welcome to hell#w2h#w2h2#welcome to hell film#welcome to hell fanart#welcome to hell 2#w2h fanart#w2h sock#sock sowachowski#w2h jonathan#jonathan combs#sockathan#<- my feelings on this ship are complex (/pos) but i have to admit this one’s pretty gay#this drawing was fun. there’s a lot of little trivia and details no one else will ever notice#this song is just very them to me
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Did you know this about Angel Dust and Husk from Hazbin Hotel?
In a comic by Vivziepop, the creator of the series, Angel Dust openly declares he's gay during his first interaction with Charlie.
"For woman I ask for an extra"
I'll let you imagine the scene, but it's predictable if you know our Anthony 💕🤍
And in an interview, Vivziepop revealed that Husk is pansexual, hello bro eheh
My friend convinced me to share some random trivia on my account, (related to the fanart, of course) so here's a peek into my favorite shows, comics, and books
Stay tuned for more fanart and fun facts... 📻
Or just ask, drop a character in the comment section and I will say something I know about them eheh
#hazbin hotel#jArtle#fantasy#digital#fanart#sketch#drawing#art#monster#angel dust#Anthony#huskerdust#Husk#Gay#pansexual#Pan#Ship#Illustration#Trivia#Curiosity#Demon#Hell#The healthiest ship ever#Loser baby#Song
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BL “Censorship” & Commercialization
Content: 1. ubiquitous censorship - special focus on Japanese BL 2. commercial viability of live action BL & generalizations 3. solutions - special focus on state support of Thai BL 4. [update state-supported production of Love in the Big City series]
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Censorship is a sensitive topic. I have tried my best. Please feel free to comment and critique.
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History of Korean BL is one of censorship and commercialization and Korean fu-people has struggled against both. There have been different victors at different points in time. Aljosa Puzar’s "BL"(Boy Love), "GL"(Girl Love) and Female Communities of Practice and Affect in South Korea chronicles that struggle. (Highly recommended.)
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I have tried to problematize BL commercialization before. But that was in the context of fu-culture and the commodity fetishism associated with the consumption of BL, particularly in live action form which is probably its most capitalist rendition for many many reasons.
Here I would like to look at it from another angle: censorship. This is a continuation of my earlier post (Why so many shonen ai live-action?) motivated by the live action adaptation of ‘조폭인 내가 고등학생이 되었습니다’ (I, A Gangster, Became a High School Student) by 호롤 (Ho Rol).
The live action has jumped genres switching from BL to 판타스틱 휴먼 드라마 (lit. fantasy human drama). This switch got it tagged as ‘Censored Adaptation of Same-sex Original Work’ on My Drama List. I personally don’t like that tag. Almost all BL adaptation is a censored adaptation, with notable exceptions like Sei no Gekiyaku. But no one uses that tag for, say, 25 Ji, Akasaka de (2024) which censored all sexual content, especially from the volume 1 of the manga which was critical to the story and the couple’s development in the original manga series’ and its multiple adaptations’ popularity. Sukiyanen Kedo Do Yaro ka (2024) went as far as removing the more sexual second couple from the live action adaptation all together, yet it does not get a "censored" tag.
An interesting question that the controversy surrounding High School Return of a Gangster (2024) has sparked is that of BL media’s commercial viability, especially in live action form. Here’s what producers told the Korean newspaper, Hankook Ilbo, about the genre-jumping:
"BL 장르는 제작비 투자나 리쿱(제작비 회수)에 한계가 있는 게 사실이다. 그러다 보니 처음부터 이 작품은 브로맨스로 해보고 싶었다"
“The BL genre is limited in terms of investment in production costs and recoup (recovery of production costs). So, from the beginning, we planned it as a bromance (beulomaenseu).”
The author of this article cites examples of works that enjoyed success on OTT platforms, namely Watcha’s Semantic Error and TVing's Unintentional Love Story (2023). However, the article also highlights the fact that BL continues to be a niche genre and live action adaptations don’t guarantee success.
이성택 (Lee Seong Taek), the director of High School Return of a Gangster, previously directed the BL Love Class (2022). The producer 넘버쓰리픽쳐스 (Number Three Pictures Co., Ltd.) have BL works like Unintentional Love Story under its belt.
'Unintentional Love Story' Director Jang Eui-soon (장의순) | source
If the producer of one of the two most popular live action BL is admitting to it, then it is not easy to dismiss the issue of commercial viability of live action BL.
Very famous BL publishing houses (starting with JUNE) and hosting platforms with relatively lower expenses have struggled. Some of them are no more. It is also difficult for authors to survive merely on earnings from publishing houses and hosting platforms, especially when those platforms are not very rich. So, it is not difficult to imagine that live action production houses also struggle to survive.
Take GMMTV for example. They are probably one of the most successful BL producers. According to their managing director, BL content (series) is not a profitable business in itself. They rely on khujin (branded pairs) of actors to bring in advertisement revenue, merchandize sales, and pull crowds to concerts and fan-meets. It is not enough for actors to just act. They are expected to sing, dance and perform. Meanwhile, GMMTV is forced to keep working with these actor pairs and stick to templates that suit them. While it works for now, it remains to be seen how long the business model can last.
Now there is also investment from Mainland China that has migrated to other BL producers following dangai ban. But those who invest already burned themselves pretty bad with all the money they poured in during the short-lived but explosive dangai boom. It is sunk cost at this point. Another crack down could be the death knell for Chinese investments in BL.
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More generally, it is likely that commercial viability of a live action BL project hinges on the following:
#1 Target demographic
Like all other BL content, live action too is primarily targeted at fu-people (BL audience) – both queer and non-queer. The target demography is further sub-divided based on the type of BL and purchasing power.
Sweeter ones are supposed to appeal to all ages and that’s the area Thailand and GMMTV in particular are focused on. Most of Japanese BL series are sweet. Korea too produces sweet BL. However, they are unlikely to bring in explosive success the way odo BL (those following royal road narrative progression – wherein characters face significant challenges, interpersonal or otherwise, to reach happy ending).
Older and, perhaps more hard-core fans, are likely to support jado works (BL that follow the evil path where neither happy ending nor resolution to challenges are guaranteed) with surprising frequency. This might be partly due to the erotic content in jado works.
Purchasing power of BL fans vary widely. There are those who are
“sending gifts to their actors in Thailand, sending food trucks to their shooting locations, putting up billboard advertisements and doing charity events [as well as] ordering merchandise in bulk.”
They also travel to BL producing nations [on fan pilgrimages] and attend fan meetings, concerts and other events regularly.
(Source: The Print)
The other group of BL fans who are probably younger and/or can’t afford to show support in the above-mentioned ways. BL commercially benefits from being appealing to those with higher purchasing power.
#2 Popularity of original work in case of adaptation
Popular BL novels, manhwa, etc. bring in a set of fans who are interested in the live action. Longer and more-acclaimed works are likely to ensure success of the live action given decent making and reasonable changes during adaptation. Semantic Error is a case in point. However, missteps during adaptation can have the opposite effect.
#3 Cost of production
It is difficult to get investment in the first place, especially with how niche the genre is. Moreover, higher cost of production sets the bar for success higher too.
On the other hand, high production quality and better cast and crew (likely more expensive too) makes the viewing more pleasurable and increases the likelihood of success.
There are other factors which influence the success of BL producers. The most popular BL live action from China, Addicted, was produced by the author, Chai JiDan, with a tiny budget. Its dangai family drama remake, Stay with Me, also has an interesting producer.
Source | Mame with her Japanese fans
Orawan Vichayawannakul’s MeMindY is another BL author led production company that has enjoyed considerable success.
OP Pictures’ entry into BL genre has also been successful.
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Solutions
#1 Let’s start with the worst
BL as money laundering vehicle. It is probably the most obvious, sort of win-win until it isn’t. Sustainability depends how much skin the ruling class have in the game.
#2 State sponsorship
(or better yet, tax payer supported BL production)
State sponsorship is what Thailand has perfected.
source | 2023 seminar on "Beyond Borders: Exploring the Global Appeal and Diversity of Thailand's Boys' Love Contents" by 9 companies from Thailand organized by Department of International Trade Promotion under Thailand’s Ministry of Trade.
The eleven speakers, including an official from the Office of Commercial Affairs, Royal Thai Embassy in Japan, vigorously pitched partnerships with Japanese content companies [at the above-mentioned seminar.]
Also, several of the companies pitching at the seminar, such as Star Hunter Entertainment […] were plumping for BL not as a niche product but rather a core element of their corporate strategy.
Halo Productions representative Tewarat Supunnium [trumpeted] the vertical integration of his company, from talent representation to contents distribution.
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Thai BL has been big hits in China, South Korea, Japan, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, and beyond, which has motivated Thailand’s government to ‘deploy Boys Love as its latest soft power weapon to promote the country on the global stage’. In an article published in The Nation, BL director, Bundit Sintanaparadee, explains how that affects production.
He pointed out that the international popularity of Thai shows can boost tourism and generate interest in the featured locations – a vital aspect of soft power. The government can facilitate this process by providing support and streamlining the bureaucratic obstacles to filming in attractive locations like Bangkok’s Chinatown district of Yaowarat.
Filming in iconic places such as Yaowarat can be costly and complicated due to the need to coordinate with multiple government agencies and pay location fees. Bundit said the government could simplify the process to benefit not just filmmakers but also tourist revenue in the locations.
Bundit also cautioned against a top-down approach to soft power, where the government dictates what represents Thailand on the world stage. He emphasises the need for industry professionals to have their say.
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In a 2022 article, Bangkok Post explores the impact of BL on Thailand’s economy ‘as export products that can draw lucrative revenue streams and foster business opportunities in other areas, including tourism.’
[According to government estimates from 2021,] Thailand's Y content market was worth more than 1 billion baht... In June that year, the Department of International Trade Promotion held an online Y content business matching event to boost the industry, with the participation of 10 Thai content creators. More than 360 million baht was generated from the purchase of the Thai content, with the top three buyers coming from Japan, Taiwan and Vietnam.
Noppharnach Chaiyahwimhon, GMMTV's senior director of content production, said [that the] business ecosystem linked to Y Series in Thailand shows a growth of 30-40% per year. [He also said that] Y Series can also be a boon for other businesses, such as films, artist management and merchandise. [He mentioned] Y Series from Thailand [getting] translated into several languages [and one of their Y Series having received theatrical adaptation in South Korea.]
[According to] Kanokporn Prachayaset, chief commercial officer and country manager of WeTV Thailand, … Y Series from Thailand is one of the most popular content genres on its platform. [Half of all the BL content on the platform was Thai.] WeTV [was] sourcing Y Series from Asia as well as having its own WeTV original shows by working with various local production houses, such as GMMTV, TV Thunder, Dee Hup House, M Choice Studio and All This Entertainment. [She also highlighted the contribution of the fan base, which is] active in organising activities and campaigns for their idols.
Seksan Sripraiwan, director of the Tourism Authority of Thailand's (TAT) Tokyo office, said the TAT and the Royal Thai Embassy have actively promoted the country by using Thai entertainment [and that] Thai BL content is considered one of the most popular recent cultural exports to Japan. Japan's market for Thai BL is around 1 million viewers, of which 20,000-30,000 are heavily active on social media sites for renowned BL actors, led by Bright-Win and Krist-Singto. He said Japanese tour operators already offered tailor-made tour packages which contain elements related to BL TV series, such as shooting locations like universities, cafes, Wat Arun or the Amphawa floating market.
Kanokkittika Kritwutikon, director of the TAT Chengdu office, said Thai BL TV shows have gained popularity in China, such as the coming-of-age series "I Told Sunset About You", which helped drive tourists to Phuket, the main location of the story.
"Most Chinese BL fans are millennial females who can offer long-term support for their favourite actors," Mrs Kanokkittika said. [Recognizing the 3 million strong queer population of Chongqing,] she said the LGBT segment could be categorised as luxury travellers as they are high-income earners, live in key cities, and want to spend more for travel experiences.
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Earlier this year Ministry of Commerce have partnered with Be On Cloud and Idol Factory to promote ‘Thai products, services, tourism, and culture by incorporating them seamlessly into’ their new series “Shine” and “Pin Phak” aka “The Loyal Pin” respectively.
“This will help create around 2 billion in value for Thailand’s economy,” said Commerce Minister Phumtham.
Deputy Prime Minister and Commerce Minister Phumtham Wechayachai and two actresses, Becky and Freen, witness the signing ceremony between the Ministry of Commerce and Idol Factory Co., Ltd. on February 28, 2024....
According to the Department of International Trade Promotion, the Thai movie and series sector and related industries will generate 8,000 million baht in exports by 2023. In 2024, it will likely reach 10,000 million baht, particularly in the Y-movie and Y-series, which are expected to expand in value from 1,000 million baht to 2,000 million baht as a result of the Ministry of Commerce’s proactive cooperation with the private sector.
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The Thai government’s efforts are paying off.
Oramon Sapthaweetham, director-general of the Department of Business Development, revealed that the Boys’ Love series had helped revitalise the film production industry, generating substantial profits and extending economic benefits to allied sectors, such as advertising, leveraging actors as influencers, event organisation, and tourism.
"Over the past 10 years, Thailand has produced over 177 Boys’ Love [series], continuously gaining popularity and expanding its customer base, eventually leading to exports to international markets," Oramon added.
The film production industry in Thailand is witnessing substantial growth. In the first four months of 2024, 56 new businesses were registered, marking a 12% increase from 2023. The total registered capital also saw a significant rise of 146.44% to 195.18 million baht. In 2023, the industry grew by 20% with 137 businesses and a capital of 258 million baht. The total revenue in 2022 was 12.895 billion baht, indicating a continuous growth trend.
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#3 Diversification
Ok, so this is based on my limited knowledge and imagination. Feel free to skip.
There are two production companies that I have ever been interested in - Bhavana Studios and Mammootty Kampany. Both of them have produced experimental Malayalam movies while managing to remain commercially successful. While is partially attributable to these companies being brands, I think their overall strategy of diversification have worked in their favour.
Mammootty Kampany could produce art-house movie Nanpakal Nerathu Mayakkam for award circuits and with no expectation of commercial performance by banking on their other production Kannur Squad which was action entertainer sure to bring in the big bucks. Their queer family drama Kaathal – The Core and neo-noir psychological thriller Rorschach did exceptionally well in the box office as well as garnered critical acclaim. Bhavana Studios has similar track record of their commercially successful projects kind of cross subsidizing their experimental and unique projects and lifting the heat off in case of flops.
Having production companies which are aspirational in their approach to BL while having the economics sorted out help where government support is not forth coming.
Censorship as No-thing
When sometime is truly censored, we wouldn’t know. Unless we ask. Here’s what Jooyin Saejang learned from asking.
Conclusion
I have a strong preference for live action adaptations that are willing to go the last mile in terms of sexual content, social critiques and addressing real-life issues. That’s the reason why the header image for this BL side blog is from Moothon (2019).
But realistically this isn’t always possible. And I prefer having more production companies offering variety. I don’t want them to sink under the weight of BL that didn’t do well commercially and me being left at the mercy of media conglomerates with seemingly bottomless funds and monopsony over BL authors, original works and the culture that creates them.
Also, there is queer content from Korean that is neither mainstream nor from fu-culture. Support those. Unfortunately, Cheers by Cheers 짠!하면 알 수 있어 has been removed from their YouTube channel which is now called Cheer Up. While the series is gone, there are interviews with English subtitles.
Love in the Big City
Love in the Big City, the series and the movie are based on Park Sang-young's novel of the same name that was published in 2019. In Korea, it sold over 100,000 copies. Ever since, it has been translated into 15 languages, including English. The English translation by Anton Hur was published in 2021. The book has been longlisted for the International Booker Prize in 2022 and the Dublin Literary Award in 2023.
The movie secured an investor early on. The film was produced by Showbox and Tale Farming (고래와유기농). Michigan Venture Capital, a key investor, was responsible for 2 billion won out of the net production cost of about 6 billion won. Plus M Entertainment, a subsidiary of the JoongAng Group took care of its distribution. (source)
State-sponsorship for Korean BL !
The series, on the other hand, faced difficulty attracting investment as well as had trouble finding OTT platforms willing to air the show. It was co-produced by MerryChristmas, a subsidiary of WYSIWYG Studio' a KOSDAQ-listed company, along with Big Stone Studio. Mbrella Films provided production services in Thailand. They have received the state-support through Korea Creative Content Agency under Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism amounting to 3 billion won as production costs support aimed at strengthening the global competitiveness of K-content through OTT.
Finally, TVING, a platform that has aired multiple BL projects previously (such as Unintentional Love Story, Jazz for Two, To My Star 2, The Eighth Sense and High School Return of a Gangster), aired the series in South Korea and the streaming platform Rakuten Viki promoted it as a BL.
An iconic scene from bonus chapter 2 of The New Employee aka The New Recruit manhwa adaptation (web novel written by Moscareto and illustrated by Zec) ahead that didn't make it into the live action adaptation.
Gong comes home to find su in a sexy position at the doorway, fingering himself according to gong's instructions over phone.
#high school return of a gangster#kdrama#korean bl#thai bl#japanese bl#chinese bl#조폭인 내가 고등학생이 되었습니다#i a gangster became a high school student#호롤#ho rol#censorship#commercialization#bl censorship#bl commercialization#bl trivia#edited to add link to cheers#korean queer content#korean gay#korean lgbtq+#queer#lgbtqia#korean ql#multi bl#bl drama#bl series#love in the big city#love in the big city series#love in the big city movie#the new employee
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Manifesting my ability to Pull™ cute femmes and hot butches this summer. First step, got my lobes re-pierced today. 😭😎
#wish me luck#i've given up on dating apps#we're doing In Person..like going to gay events and bars during trivia night and blah blah#gpoy#butch#lgbtq#lesbian#butch4butch#butch4femme
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SPENCER REID WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BISEXUAL!?!! AND THEY GAVE UP ON THE BEST IDEA EVER!?!!! IM GONNA LOSE MY FUCKING MINDDDDD
#i started watching criminal minds last month 😃 i am on S4 and since S1 i’ve been getting bi vibes from reid#and i thought it was just my gay brain doing its thing BUT NAH#he WAS supposed to be bi#im gonna scream#i wish i had stopped myself before opening this wikifan page#I have this insanely bad habit of checking wiki fan if a show is over 6-7 seasons long#and i generally scroll down to the character ‘trivia’ but reid’s was SO LONG i just read the first few and scrolled to the bottom#to see the last trivia 😃😃😃 i was about to close the tab i didn’t want to get spoiled more than that i already have#AND THIS WAS THE LAST ONE#why did i have to find this out now all i’ll think about will be ‘what could’ve been’ and how it didn’t happen#criminal minds#spencer reid
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Jackbox fandom is it too late to drop my redacted design anyways here it is regardless
#art#artwork#digital art#jackbox#jackbox games#trivia murder party 2#trivia murder party#tmp#redacted tmp#tmp host#hes gay yall idc what u think#Redacted tmp#tmp redacted
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listen uhhhhh. same, queen 🥵
#i've never made a gif in my life but unfortunately i am profoundly bedeviled with feelings at the moment. so#LIKE GET OUT!!!!! GET OUT OF MY ROOM!!!!#we are so blessed to live in a world with WOMEN!!!!!!!#fuck sorry i'm jsut. so. 😭#agatha all along#agatha all along spoilers#agathario#mcu#gay sobbing#trivia: i squeaked so loud at this scene that my cat looked up at me in alarm#sorry klaus!!! but look at this!!!
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Bobuzz, bobuzz, bobu- Who said that.
Bob @/captainnait ; Buzz @/rrawrrxd
requests from my friends. i hate them all/j silly
ddrm host @/lehawhoisgoing ; Cookie @/captainnait ; Schmitty @/he4vy2005pro
and. I redesigned these two (I was forced to)
#jackbox#ydkj#you don’t know jack#ydkj headrush#quiplash#fibbage#trivia murder party#dodo re mi#josh schmitty schmitstinstein#cookie masterson#redacted tmp#tmp host#buzz lippman#bob headrush#gay#>_<
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I once said that bringing up how Heath Ledger almost broke Jake Gyllenhaals nose by kissing him too hard is the gay version of saying that Viggo Mortensen broke his toe in lord of the rings as far as movie trivia goes.
This implies that lord of the rings is for straight people, which is false.
#all movies are made for gay people actually#mine#brokeback mountain#lord of the rings#heath ledger#jake gyllenhaal#viggo mortensen#movie trivia
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HUM! PLUSHIESSSSS 🎻🎻🎻🎻
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Car Seat Headrest trivia night on valentines day
God i love PSU
#i gotta brush up on my trivia if theres prizes to be won#what if i actually met someone at the csh trivia night on valentines day that attracts such a specific kind of gay
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Neil had joined Andrew and Kevin for trivia night at a local pub. Usually Aaron would have went, but he had a test to study for. Their little team had managed to get enough points to be in second place and going into the last question were confident.
“And for our last question of the night, what country has the oldest population?” Asked the Trivia announcer into their microphone.
“It has to be Japan.” Kevin said munching on a fry. “I took a statistics class where we had to keep out Japan because their population threw off the rest of the data,”
“I agree that it’s Japan. So, all in?” Andrew asked as he wrote in the answer on their slip of paper. Kevin nodded and so Andrew handed Neil the paper to be run up to the Trivia announcer’s table.
A few minutes later the Trivia announcer had totaled everything from all the teams. “The question was, ‘What country has the oldest population?’ and the answer is Hong Kong. Sorry to all of those who put Japan tonight. Our list marks Japan as the third oldest population. That means our winners tonight are the following; in third The Potatos, in second Barbies and a Ken, and our first place winners are The Squirrels! Please come up to the table and receive your gift cards.” Neil cocked his head at the Trivia announcer before carefully looking at Kevin and Andrew.
“Okay, out to the car before the two of you go insane. I’m driving us back.” Neil yoinked the keys out of Andrew’s pocket and ushered the two out while they were still in shock. They had already paid for their food before the last question was asked.
When they got back to the tower Neil made it to their room first because Kevin and Andrew were going up the stairs like zombies. Neil opened the door to the room and saw Aaron at the desk hunched over textbooks. Aaron startled at the door hitting the wall and glared at Neil. “You’re back so soon? How’ d it go?” Aaron asked pinching his nose.
“The last question was brutal. It was ‘What country has the oldest population?’ and the guy said it was Hong Kong! Ridiculous! Anyway I have to pee!” Neil said as he made it into the bathroom.
Just as Neil was finishing up, Andrew and Kevin entered. Kevin started a dramatic telling of the night to Aaron. “I want to see what your answer to the last question is. Trevor asked ‘What country has the oldest population?’ So what’s your guess?” Kevin asked Aaron as Neil washed his hands.
“Well, obviously Hong Kong.” Aaron replied nonchalantly as Neil opened the bathroom door. Neil saw the vein on Kevin’s forehead bulge and Andrew narrow his eyes at his twin.
“Who told you?! Who texted you?! Was it Nicky!” Kevin shook Aaron’s shoulders. Aaron and Neil broke into laughter.
“How’d you have time to tell him? We were less than ten feet behind you,” Andrew asked.
“No idea, but that was hilarious!” Neil smirked at them.
Once Aaron stopped laughing he asked, “So what did he say when you contested him?” Andrew and Kevin paused and looked at each other. “You didn’t contest it?!”
“Well we were in a state of shock and disbelief!” Kevin tried explaining.
“You didn’t bring up that Hong Kong isn’t a country? And that it’s a city within China that’s been leased to the British for the past century or so? Guys, you’re supposed to be better than that!” Aaron tsked.
“It was a very silly time indeed. Now Matt invited me to movie night so I’ll see you later.” Neil said as he stepped back towards the door. The others muttered before joining Neil to the movie night.
The end
#aftg#all for the game#neil josten#andrew minyard#the foxhole court#andreil#all for the gay#tfc#kevin day#aaron minyard#trivia#trivia night#based on what happened at my last trivia night#fanfic#fanfiction#aftg fanfic#tfc fanfic#hope you enjoy#my sibling is still bitter about us losing at trivia#trivia questions#my silly little posts#i bet their trivia group is called like Exy or an exy pun
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I'll add more when I feel like it, happy pride month (it's 12 am here)
#story's fuckass sillies#pftgposting#purpleposting#bbau#dfac#bbieal#dave's fun algebra class#purple's fun trivia game#baldi mod#michael's teachings in spelling and technology#billy's basic educational game#dfacr#bbeg#pftg#mtisat#pride month 2024#pride month#spike is straight. billy is gay. purple is pan and michael is aroace#pansexual#gay#aroace
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Hello! I really like your work in introducing different binaries to view male androphilia other than masc and fem (like wen-wu). I wanted to ask that since wen often outranked wu back then, was wen type masculinity associated with topping or bottoming more? I actually like this binary the most as it talks about presentation while keeping in mind at the core this is about men/masculinities without necessarily implying into receiving and giving dynamics but I wanted to know if I am wrong about this
For context (thank you @guzhufuren for pointing it out): previous posts discussing wen-wu binary in Chinese masculinity -
Masculinities and Male Androphilia
Seme/uke - long response
Some things about wen-wu: Just like balance of yin and yang, it was introduced into modern scholarship about gender especially Chinese masculinity in response to the orientalist takes that otherized and often portrayed Asian men as inferior, closer to women in terms of status, when compared to colonial masculinity.
A blend of wen and wu characteristics are emphasized in each individual for a well-rounded personality. Popular example from danmei is Hua Cheng from Tian Guan Ci Fu coming on top after battling both wen and wu factions of heaven. Often, capable emperors and modern politicians are described as exhibiting perfect balance of wen and wu. Wen and wu can be employed to create contrast between characters like Shi Qiang and Wang Miao representing wen and wu respectively in Three-Body (2023).
I don't know if there are any straight forward in associated with topping or bottoming. One thing I know from Passions of the Cut Sleeve: The Male Homosexual Tradition in China by Bret Hinsch is that rank often determined who topped and who bottomed. To be on top meant to be on top. Rank and seniority depends on age too. This is what was (allegedly) exported to Japan and became the basis for nenja x wakashu dynamics [which later gave birth to the seme/uke dynamics in Japan and its international variations in other BL producing nations (more on this in the links given at the top of this post)]. There are hierarchies/pecking order within military and scholarly settings, just as elsewhere, with clear seniority among members.
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Sworn-brotherhood also had elder brother/younger brother ordering.
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Other than stories of emperors and male favorites upon whom (and their family) the former lavishly bestowed the highest titles (ministerial, civil services, military, peerage, etc.), there are also tales of love between scholars like “Shared Pillow Tree" about Pan Zhang & Wang Zhongxian. As for love between men in military, (among others) there is Emperor Wen of Chen and Han Zigao who met and fell in love when the former was merely a general.
Works that survive in history seldom talk about common people's lives. Above all else, the chances of finding explicit depiction of physical dynamics is also very rare, even when it is about popular figures in history.
Some scholarly bottom vibes going on in this Qing dynasty painting.
Qing dynasty Chinese Water and Land Ritual painting depicting a divine civil official and thunder god in military regalia.
Paintings of Padmapani (wen) and Vajrapani (wu) on either side of the Buddha, from cave 1 of the Ajanta Caves. Buddha would represent the balance: born in a kshatriya (warrior/ruling-caste, wu) family, his enlightened self leans towards wen.
I am not sure how well I have managed to answer your question. So, please let me know if something doesn't seem right. Other similar discussions.
I think there is some scope for discussion on how these depictions have fared historical with respect to BL (such as with shadeism/colorism) as @linlin1905 pointed out in this conversation.
Also, some of you might find the following video interesting as well:
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#chinese queer culture#queer#gay#lgbtqia#tongzhi#chinese bl#danmei#bl trivia#bl tropes#seme/uke#bl history#gong/shou
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Anywho, I'm back again, bringing goods for my fellow "dyed hair, dream pixie chic, goth" with ex related trauma audience.
#scott pilgrim#scott pilgram vs the world#scott pilgram takes off#furry#protogen#skunk#t4t#trivia#one piece#couple#digital artist#I am so gay for this god damn skunk that I can't really put it into words and my best outlet is dumbass gay meme art
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oh yeah also re: my off the dome annotations
[ID: Close on the autobot leader group shot from the trigger x tf animation. A blue bot with wings and gold fins on his helm is circled, text reads "WTF is this. If he's from TFV OVA "Zone" I s2g" END]
[ID: Tfwiki side bar for the Zone Ova. The poster includes the same blue bot with gold helm fins.
Caption: Zone of the Tail-Enders "Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!" 新総司令官ダイアトラス登場! () (Shin Sōshireikan Diatlas Tōjō!) END]
ohhhh baby my process of elimination in UNMATCHED. mwah mwah. dai atlas baby im gonna be so real i DO NOT remember you so much, but u have that vibe about u.
#some shit#its not called cisformers#ONCE AGAIN. triggers decision to give OVAS of runtimes less than a movie. this one. literally just like 20 minutes#not one but TWO presences. BASED. i think thats soooooo cool of them fhjfds YES BABY tell my how much u love this guy#was he.... holding a matrix? it doesnt LOOK like a matrix in the sparky roddy shot but.... maybe... maybe#very narrow bell curve of ppl who know enough tf to get the pull im making but not enough to go. UGH duh thats dai atlas. idiot. lol :3c#too bad the brand was kinda failing at this point this thing could have been cute if they madeit like. a show#(are u just saying that cause its in tfv style) NOT JUST THAT#looking at the page trivia. WAIT DO PPL THING THE KIDS ARE GAY. thats funny. i def thought that was girl.
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