#gay girls in shonen fights for love?

[lonely-anime-lesbian]

One of my favorite manga, Love Bullet, is apparently at serious risk of being discontinued due to poor vol 1 sales. T_T

So, now I'm here to plug the series in the hope that people on Tumblr will read it, like it, and buy some copies.

It's a very cute and cool series about young-girls-turned-cupids in gun fights, and it is yuri, and it's so sweet and sad, and it's awesome.

So, here's where you can read it in English (no current official English translation for it),

and a handy buying guide for how to get your hands on some physical copies if you want to support the series.

[alinedreams]

Uryu and Chad are gay married by the end of the manga. In this essay i will

[chandralia]

Toga saying she loves both boys and girls explicitly, that she loves differently, was ridiculed/abused for FOR loving differently, saying she wanted to be like people around her instead. Twice suggesting her villain name be Carmilla? (THE FIRST LESBIAN VAMPIRE)

Ochako calling herself strange for wanting to save Toga, reaching out and leveling, speaking in a way only Toga can understand, telling her she’s the cutest girl in the whole world, and offering to give Toga her blood for the rest of her life??

Deku saying “I’ve spent my life chasing after you,”“you’re my image of victory,” that he “can’t imagine a world in which kacchan doesn’t exist,” “kacchan and everyone else” over and over again, LOSING HIS MIND WHEN ONLY KATSUKI’S INJURED, being told to control his heart three times (COUNT THEM: THREE) over Katsuki?? Kudou having to use Katsuki to motivate Deku? “their feelings become one” just from locking eyes…???? Deku’s world shifting when Katsuki’s alive again, looking at him in awe (the way he’s only ever looked at him).

Katsuki risking his life for Deku repeatedly, thinking of only him before death, having to imagine Deku in danger to further his quirk, being targeted because he’s the closest to Deku (VERBALLY STATED BY SHIGAFO), avoiding medical care at every turn to get to Deku, always reminiscing about their past, A MISSED HANDHOLD, imagining their future together and breaking down crying in front of Deku at the possibility of that being ripped from him, saying he wanted them to keep doing this forever?

“that’s just how shonen is, everyone’s gay but no one’s canon” SHUT UP PLEASE. we quite literally do not know what Hori is or isn’t allowed to do. He’s been vocal about fighting for what he wants in his story, and even if it is an executive or editor saying “no you can’t do this” look what he’s managed to do so far.

not to mention THREE canon trans characters, toga correcting overhaul at misgendering. kendo saying “I just want to be me” when talking about gender, the entire side plot with discrimination and people fighting for acceptance, Hori reading and approving all the stuff that happens in the light novels/team up missions, AND thanking/praising those authors for knowing his characters so well.

His assistant (nstime23) openly shipping bkdk, drawing fanart of them, blatantly using their ship name, WHILE STILL BEING MUTUALS WITH HORI.

and the reception???

Hori does not live under a rock. It’s not an “oopsie he made it gay on accident” thing, and it’s not done maliciously either.

sharing what I’ve said before because I’m tired:

[pumpkinmetaphor]

other thoughts about Ouran genderswap au where they're doing a zuka club

-the theatre performances all suck. varying effort is made by any of the participants

-it is technically a theatre troupe but most people are just regular attendees because they get to hang with their preferred host afterwards because Tamaki insists on hour long meet and greets. For a school theatre troupe.

-Kyoya is so much more deranged about her future because her sister is literally getting married off when she meets Tamaki for the first time and here's Tamaki like "oh what do you mean you won't inherit? I'm an only child so even though I'm a girl I'll get everything. Though actually maybe I won't even go to college, I always thought I'd make it as a model lalalala" and Kyoya is insane about it

-Hikaru and Kaoru are actually set to inherit their matrilineal family line and therefore are mommy's specialist little princesses and probably do not get almost killed by their nanny as children because they're not left to raise themselves as much. They're still Like That though because still no one can tell them apart and they're weird and off-putting

-Renge's fujo fantasies are all fantasies about thinly veiled ecchi bait harem fan service. It's extremely unpalatable. Parodies of this frequently happen.

-is it funnier for Tamaki to be entirely unaware she's created a bisexual harem or is it funnier for her to be like I am SO beautiful that even girls love me... sigh I wish I wasn't straight so I could share my beauty with more people <- deluded

-in ep five during the fake fight, Hikaru cuts her hair off and then Kaoru makes snide comments about her dumbass bob. Then obviously Kaoru has to cut her hair off afterwards too.

-ironically college Kaoru has the exact same haircut as canon college Kaoru in that she cuts it off again. That haircut is a universal constant on both sides of the gay community I'm afraid.

-Kyoya and the twins are using the zuka club to create blackmail fodder on half the student body. Kyoya is using it for future business endeavours, to always have something up her sleeve to get ahead. Hikaru and Kaoru are just contributing to it by tricking their regulars into various compromising situations for entertainment

-when the host club tries to steal Haruhi, their response is to host a performance of a shonen sports anime to show that girls can be guys too. Mori is actually really good at baseball and takes it super seriously. Hikaru and Kaoru spend the entire time speaking in sports analogies that get increasingly innunedo-ified

-Haruhi has to be exactly the same. The majority of his dialogue doesn't even change. None of his outfits even change. Literally same font.

[obsessive-dumpling]

I have been waiting with bated breath but the end is nigh so it's time to get our final predictions in folks.

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And I don't know.... I've had SO many predictions throughout this entire series and here we are, at end game, and I have no clue. Because Horikoshi is so talented at turning things where I least expect. Don't believe me?

Did you see "Kacchan of the Bakugos" live on world wide television happening?

Did you see "cutest girl in the world" happening?

Did you see "spend the rest of our lives together" happening?

(Spoiler Alert: There are so. many. more!)

Like we anticipated a lot of things as a fandom but then he would also smack us in the face with scenes straight out of our favorite fanfics. And why? Why did he do that? Why did he REUSE the line from School Briefs about Katsuki's relationship with girls in the final chapters of the manga? He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to do any of this!

Those were choices. Choices he actively made. Choices Shonen Jump let be published. Choices Bones is now animating. And it's because of those choices and that follow through that I'm so unsure now.

This all feels too pointed... Too intentional for there to not be a final bkdk scene/ending. So why the hesitation in predicting a bkdk ending?

Because. This ending isn't about the fandom. This ending isn't about "who's ship wins". And if you think that's all that's on the line here, then I'm sorry. I'm truly sorry, cause you missed it. You missed the point of this series and what bkdk as a canon couple would actually mean in the real world 2024.

MHA is one of the top animes in the world. Check the numbers. Not Japan. Not American. The world! Do you understand what it would mean to have a canon gay couple as leads in a mainstream Shonen anime? How many people that would reach?

Representation in media matters. Representation in MAINSTREAM media MATTERS. God, I could do a whole seminar on this topic but the point HERE being: a canon gay superhero couple in a top Shonen anime would have a massive effect on a global scale. And how many need to see that? How many people could that help? How many people could it change?

And though Horikoshi has shown a heavy leaning towards a bkdk end game, that doesn't mean he has to, or even can, follow through on it. Unfortunately, it's not up to JUST him. Shonen Jump could tank it. Bones could tank it! Do you get it yet? It's going to take A LOT for this to happen. And frankly my heart is having a hard time with it...

Because we've seen creators fight this fight before. The Legend of Korra. SheRa. Both always intended to have queer leads. But had to fight TOOTH AND NAIL with everything they had just to get a final closing scene.

We've also seen queer baiters. So many have pointed out the similarities to how Naruto felt. And because of the nature of the series' mangaka, we will never know what the truth is on that matter.

We've felt shunted by the system. We've felt laughed at for having hope to see a love like ours up on that screen.

But now we have hope again. And there /is/ a chance. There is a really real chance right now- that we could actually get it...

And that makes my chest tight.

[ladyloveandjustice]

Someone comparing 90's anime Mamoru to women in shonen and saying that's a bad thing annoys me so much, because it's not even true lmao.

First of all, it implies it's SO horrible for one anime in the world to not treat a male character as central. gasp the horror. God forbid a man be treated like a woman is.

second, no he isn't treated like a woman in an average (battle) shonen anime, he's treated much better. the average love interest in a shonen anime doesn't make a dramatic entrance to save the male character in most episodic battles. She would never be considered the male characters cool amazing savior that he gets heart eyes over and he's constantly trying to be good enough to date her.

Like yeah Mamoru gets kidnapped and brainwashed for Usagi to save with more frequency that other male characters, but that literally happens just as much in the manga. Probably the only time his treatment is comparable to a woman in (most) shonen is in Stars, where he's quickly killed off without much of a fight to make Usagi sad and does nothing else besides that. Much like [spoiler] in JJK I guess, only at least Usagi actually cared that he was dead/missing, so still better!

Mamoru is also EXTREMELY involved in the plot the first season and R, in the way a love interest in shonen anime would not get to be. He has extended character arcs in both seasons. A woman in your average shonen anime would not get to be an intimidating villain who is the boss the hero has to face before the big bad and who genuinely beats the hero up a bit. Nor would she be as central in any plot about parenthood- look how the moms in Boruto are treated.

Yeah, the 90s anime doesn't care about Mamoru as much as the girls. Boo hoo. How dare one piece of media in the world not give as much attention to a man. Yes, Naoko gave Mamoru much more prominence, but also focused a bit less on the friendship between the girls than the anime did. It's a tradeoff! Which do you prefer? Neither answer is wrong (though I do think a lot of gay fans are more here for the girls and that's not a bad thing lmao). It's not some great injustice that was done to him, anymore than there's a great injustice done to the non-Usagi girls in the manga. There's just different approaches. And you can't just say anyone on the team had a "disdain" for him without proof. Ikuhara featured him prominently in the R movie, before you take his joke about Mamoru seriously. Mamoru's always very central to Usagi's emotions, if they really had "disdain" for him, why does she think about him so much and miss him so much in Stars?

I'm just saying: don't downplay just how shittily women get treated in male-centered media because you're pressed Tuxedo Mask didn't get his smoking bomber attack. Mamoru has it VERY EASY compared to women in shonen.

[radfemsiren]

https://x.com/iunsei/status/1834270928030843168

I am not gonna lie I am having the time of my life reading the quote retwts on this post. Whats funny is that the hetero romance in shoujo is 100× better than shonen (because female leads actually have a personality) plus even in romance shoujo you will see the friendship dynamic op is talking about but because the friendships are between girls.....also the trashing on shoujo in general when BL is a shoujo genre...clown behavior. Your shonen "bl" ship isn't gonna be canon, shonen is the most hetero of all the genres they're just so damn misogynystic towards women you all think they're gay.

Also while the description specifies romance shoujo the actual pic doesn't and reduces shoujo to romance which...is.....misogynystic actually.

The excuses misogynists make to defend their shitty media is such a reach, they gotta join the cirque de soleil with all that hoop jumping!

I love action and gore as much as the next gal, but the million fight scene, fan service filled, corny dialogue shonen genre is objectively worse than romance or slice of life animes. It’s so bad that when they actually develop relationships, it’s always just a “filler episode”… character development is not filler, cut the millionth training arc and give them some actual intrapersonal conflict plz 😭

These hardcore fujoshis will use the excuse “Well media is sexist against female characters and don’t develop them enough for me to like them, that’s all!” Then will see 2 male side characters look at each other for 3 seconds and write PHD DISSERTATIONS about the true meaning of their love.

If yall can make Killing Stalking a romance, then you can handle a female love interest😩

[enriquemzn262]

At this point you could tell me anything about Jobless Reincarnate and I'd believe it if it's degenerate enough.

Oh, rudeus reenacts that scene in a Serbian Film? Sure, sounds like it him.

The funniest thing about jobless reincarnation, is that besides all the weird sex stuff, outsiders know nothing about it, as in, if you have social media and consume some kind of anime content, even if its all memes and shitposts, you can, with enough exposure, figure out the general plot beats of shows you have never watched, for example:

JJK? The main bad guy is Sukuna, who lives inside the main good guy, Itadori, for some fucking reason, and there was Gojo, the sexiest man alive, now just half a man. Oh and there was this hammer lady everyone thought would break the curse of the useless female warrior in a shonen battle manga, who just one day died.

MHA? It’s a superhero school, the main guy is tue goodiest of good guys, everyone has weird and different powers, and the bad guys are sometimes hot and also sometimes right. Also anime Dr. Doofershmitz for some reason.

Jojo? Muscular gay men fight against an immortal vampire, the Aztec gods of fitness, the vampire again, a mafia boss, the vampire’s boyfriend, the president of the united states, and a rock man who gives bad luck somehow.

RE: Zero? Isekai about a guy who goes back in time every time he dies, and he dies a lot, there’s a main love interest no one likes, a blue haired maid everyone likes, and a cat guy that makes a lot of fans question their sexuality.

I have never watched nor read any of the above, but through sheer exposure I know all that.

But jobless incarnation? Besides the fact that the main guy is a former 50-something virgin shut-in (who I keep hearing was also a pedo), now reincarnated as a boy who has the hots for his half sister(?), beats up anthropomorphic cat girls, almost killed himself over getting erectile disfunction, fucked and then married an elf, only to then cuck her with a 500-year old loli because of course, I know absolutely nothing about it: I don’t know if the guy actually has friends, I don’t know if there’s some stakes in the story, I don’t know if it’s slice of life, action adventure, battle royale, I just know absolutely nothing, everything I have learned against my will is about the one guy’s sexual exploits.

[irontragedyreview]

There are many dudebros criticizing that if Izuku couldn't have a quirk, at the very least he should have kept the girl like if Ochako is a consolation prize that belongs to him. This type of reasoning shows why many are single and if they have a partner they show that those partners deserve better. Personally, my biggest relief was that the time skip had not been one with the characters married and with children all of the same age as if they had decided on a strange parental planning (Boruto) and sincerely I wanted to see them as professionals and in their careers and not like negligent parents (because every new generation needs daddy or mommy isuess). But getting back to the main topic outside of Ochako we never had confirmation that Izuku had romantic feelings for her, beyond one blush that was explained more by Izuku's lack of experience socializing with women than anything else. I prefer a more platonic dynamic be respected between them.

However, I'm not going to lie, I would have liked a confession from Ochako, because none of this guaranteed a romance, but rather that Ochako accepted her feelings, didn't hide them and above all not distance her from being a friend to Izuku, since in many moments, due to nerves or wanting to hide her crush this ended up distancing her from her friend. I think a confession could close that chapter between them, especially because just as she said in her fight against Toga, she fell in love with Izuku. Confessing is simply accepting a fact, that she understands that crushes can be temporary, that your high school love doesn't define you and that even rejection isn't the end of the world. That is to say, accepting that your feelings aren't a burden and above all that they aren't an obstacle to your professional future but that it's just a CRUSH. So, I would have liked a closure with them as platonic, who are important to the other. On the other hand, to any Ochako fans who come across these idiots, I can assure you that even if Ochako had confessed and Midoriya had rejected her, they would attack Izuku saying that he rejected her for being gay and any other pejorative words regarding his sexuality because dudebros have a concentration of misogy where the woman is the object and homophobia because there is no possible way for a guy to reject a girl without being gay. Dudesbros are the first to criticize male characters who show emotions and female characters who, according to them, owe respect to male characters. Honestly, they are annoying and the shonen genre has so many of them that they can only read a story at a superficial level where the protagonist has to be a being with controlled or non-existent emotions and with a harem, the best thing is to ignore them and block them.

[ultfreakme]

So, if you asked to write your top 5 fav charas from JJK, what genre will you put them (or you agree that they should be in shounen)....

Yuuji: Sports shonen. The worst loss he suffers is his seniors graduating. Because I'm KNB Stan I'd say basketball but I think he'd go for baseball.

Nobara: Shojo Magical girl!!! Small town girl moves to the big city and finds that the older girl she admired, Saori, is a senior magical girl fighting evil and she has chosen Nobara to continue her work and is going to train her. Fumi follows them too a few episodes later. The magical girls of the country are grouped and trained under different mentors, reporting to a higher authority (Tengen) but they're all super divided and it's up to our gang of 3 to unite these groups, fight evil and investigate further into Tengen and their suspicious motives(WHO is the Star Plasma Vessel??? Why does Tengen want the Vessel imprisoned??? How is the rogue magucal girl from the organization, Yuki Tsukumo, involved in all of this??).

This one got away from me, sorry.

Megumi: A slice of life anime with a week to week contained episode story format where Megumi's still a shikigami user but he takes up small, sweet cases where he gets to spread joy. The cursed spirits don't need to be killed, just have their negative emotions resolved so they can dissipate and become little blessings.

Gojo & Geto: Shonen Ai. Go forth you gay little fools.

Bonus because i combined Gojo and Geto;

Maki: Whatever genre Claymore is. She'd fit right in.

Junpei: Seinen, or Shonen ai. If it's seinen, it HAS to be something like Tokyo Ghoul. He's Kaneki but out of the closet. If it's shonen ai, it's probably a super angst one where Yuuji is I love with him but Junpei's very distant and he slowly comes out of his shell. I just know his tears are drawn with sparkles and in the panels he smiles it's like the sunrise. Mahito's probably, definitely his toxic ex.

[confundida25]

My hero academia and the Straight agenda

Ok, listen

I have seen a lot of Anime, I had seen Anime for more than 20 years, I hear all the excuses for the poorly written female characters in shonen, all the stupid contrived ways the protagonist and his lame love interest get together in the last second of the last episode because this is a shonen this is not a shojo we don’t have time for silly little romance plots discourse. How it is not that the protagonist is gay, is just that romance is not his priority, and let me tell you that excuse doesn’t work with my Hero academia.

In My Hero Academia, we follow a bunch of teenage kids in their first year of high school, which is a coming-of-age history. 7 seasons and more than 140 episodes, now, I have not read the manga this is only an analysis of the anime.

Now, in the class 1-A, we have 20 students, 6 girls and 12 boys. Did all these girls and boys have a romantic storyline? No of course not that would be insane.

BUT all of them in some way or another talk or act in their view of romance, lets discuss about it, i have nothing better to do with my life and this show is living rent free in my head.

First, the girls, we have, along the seasons multiple times of the girls talking about crushes, about boys, who the cute boys are, we usually see them gossip and whispering about it, hell we have an entire subplot of our only female villain been crazy about her romantic feeling, almost as if this show were written for a middle age man who hasn’t never touch the female experience, but that is beside the point. We can tell without a doubt that at least: Ashido, the invisible girl, and Uraraka like and want male attention, I´M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO BE HARRAS, I'm saying that they pretty much like things like a boy telling them they look pretty in a nice dress, ok? Are we OK?

Now the boys, Mineta is a caricature of what a teenage boy is, I must say I remember being in middle school and hearing some of the boys be gross about the girls and plan elaborate ruses to harras them, sadly that happened, I also worked as a high school teacher for a few years and there are boys (and even men) who are like him, so yea that.

Besides Mineta, who other boys crave female attention? (in not a creepy way)

Kaminari is mostly the usual Mineta companion in his shenanigans a long with Sero.

Among them we have Tokoyami, he never participates in the russes of the others BUT when they go and examine all class 1A rooms, he along with the Octopus (I don’t remember his name sorry) says that the girl's rooms are “A forbidden paradise” and they are excited to be allowed to see them. Again, pretty standard teenage boy behavior, the girls are equally excited to take a peak in the boy's rooms. Tokoyami also comments in how, when he is carrying Jiro into the battlefield that her but is doing stuff to him, so please stay still to which she responds that he is a stupid boy or something like that, I saw it in Japanese with subtitles in Spanish please don’t fight me.

We also have Izuku.

Izuku Midoriya is a shy teenage boy, he reacts in panic and immediately flushes and stutters when a girl or a woman shows him any affection, we saw this with Uraraka, with Toga, with the girl from the first move, etc, he likes female attention, he thing about the female attention as something positive and desirable

Iida is a strange case, he never said anything explicit about the girls, and he never participates with his classmates in any elaborate ruses because he is the class president and in general a very strict dude, BUT we have that weird exchange when he goes with Midorya to visit Hatsume and make a super weird comment about Hatsume boobs. Like, honestly I don´t know what the hell was that.

Sugarman likes to bake and is more than happy to give pastries to all the girls and feels overwhelmingly good by their response. He seems like a nice dude.

We have explicit confirmation with  Kaminari and Kirishima, they are explicit in their feelings, Kaminari has a crush on Jiro and Kirishima with Ashido.

I'm not saying all these characters are straight, they could be bi, but in the text, in the actuall Text of the show, all of them at least want the opposite sex's positive attention.

Who is left?

The guy that talks to animals, tailman, Aoyama, Todoroki and Bakugo.

Todoroki is a special case because he has his issues, he doesn’t respond like others to social clues, you can read his interaction and admiration toward Momo as romantic or you cannot, I think is pretty ambiguous and we cannot with all true said that he likes girls. He likes positive attention in general, he likes people and taking care of his own business.

So ok, the guy who talks with animals is a shy introverted kiddo, and tailman I don’t know if I´m misremembering but I'm pretty sure that he joined their classmate to ogg the girls during the sports festival when Mineta and company trick them to dress as cheerleaders, I could be wrong.

Aoyama is mostly explicitly gay, or you know, the most explicit gay a shonen anime could be.

But they are minor characters (except Todoroki), is understandable that we are not sure what is their deal, again they are 20 1A students and like a trillion other characters.

But Bakugo Katsuki is not a minor character. He is pretty much a co-protagonist. And we never. Ever. Watch him wanting female attention in any way, nop, zero, nothing. So, it must be delivered.

And this is not me being delusional and claiming Bakudeku is real, this is me confronting the facts.

Bakugo's group of friends are the boys, the bros, Kaminari, Kirishima, and Sero, and he never join them in anything related to the girls.

His interactions with women are few, first, his battle against Uraraka in the sports festival, now, Kaminari also fights a girl and he slips a comment about how pretty his opponent is, Bakugo never comments on Uraraka´s body, he has the opportunity, he doesn’t.

We see him concentrate in the fight, he doesn’t want to lose, not because he doesn’t want to lose to a girl but because he doesn’t want to lose to anybody, he goes hard on her and the audience buuuu him, even his friends call him out in his behavior, to which he responded that Uraraka was not weak, he must take the fight seriously, I know I know Feminist icon Bakugo Katsuki (I'm joking).

We have another interaction with that girl from the other school, the sexy lady that creates illusions that were part of the group of people who fail the test for the provisional license. She pretty much flirts with Bakugo and he pretty much ignores her.

Bakugo is a character who wants fame, he wants power and glory and money, when he is being a brat in the first episode he rants about how he is going to be the number one hero and he is going to be rich and famous, he wants all those significant of success.

He never talks about women in those fantasies.

Girls pretty much don’t matter to him.

But does he ever crave Male attention?

Yes, he does, he likes it when his minions follow him around and obey his orders, he is tormented by Izuku's admiration, he wants all might attention.

I'm not saying that his friendship with the Bakugo squad is not genuine or that he had a crush on All Mighty (he totally had one when he was little and grew out of it but that is my headcanon), im saying that he had no female friends, he doesn’t want or need or crave female attention, his necessity to be the best comes from himself and other men.

So, there is nothing in the text that suggests that Bakugo Katsuki is a straight boy, yeah I know, I also had read the ton of Bakugoxfemalereader works floating around, they are good and fun, but they are an extrapolation of the character.

Nothing in the text ever suggests that Bakugo Katsuki likes girls and that is fact

[sueske]

idk if I were a mangaka writing for a shonen magazine and lived in a heteronormative society but wanted to write a gay love story, I'd probs make the mc and his 'rival' kiss accidentally as a gag in like chapter 3. it's very important I do this because no one else has done it before and I think it would be funny. then I make said rival stand up for the mc when the girl in the 'love triangle' bashes him. btw said girl is obsessed with the rival but the rival only sees her as a teammate and I make sure to diligently express how her affections are selfish and one-sided. meanwhile the mc and the rival's relationship grows as they face different situations and I make the rival give up his life and his ambition to save the mc in like chapter 30. maybe I'll make the rival say something like "my body moved on its own" for the dramatics of it. the mc obviously gets very affected by this and unleashes the monster within him or something like that haha. then some other stuff happens and I make the villain say that the mc is changing the rival's heart just to make it extra clear to the readers. then through various circumstances the mc and rival find themselves fighting and I make the mc fully acknowledge just how important the rival is to him while also making the rival showcase how much he loves the mc by evolving a power that is clearly linked to emotions/love. they part in a scene reminiscent of the iconic spider-man (2002) kiss scene because that's one of my fav movies. then the mc vows to get stronger and be a fool all his life just to get the rival back. said rival gets all close and personal with the mc when they finally reunite because um... physical touch is important and it's even more important that I depict them all up close and personal. I make a girl who the mc previously called plain and weird confess to the mc at the worst possible moment. but then I make the mc ignore her in favor of his rival and then I make the mc confess their feelings for their rival in a similar fashion but better actually, near a bridge where the mc proposes a romantic suicide pact where I obviously reference famous literary works. this is what I'll make the mc come up with after he has a panic attack at the thought of his rival dying after everyone wanted to give up on the rival just so I can make it extra clear to the readers who the real love story in the series is about. anyways while all this is happening I make sure to give the mc and rival all the matching symbolism that I can, sun and moon, yin and yang, fire and wind, etc you name it. the girl who the rival once viewed as a teammate doesn't care about her anymore and I make him show this time and time again and eventually I point blank make him say "I have no reason to love her and can see no reason for why she should love me." meanwhile the rival acknowledges once again how important the mc is to him so they have to fight because the rival needs to kill the mc to be truly alone in the world. the fight is filled with homoerotic tension and feelings and eventually I make them reconcile by defining their feelings for each other as "I hurt when you hurt." btw I've also blown their arms off because I can't actually make them hold hands grr but the pool of blood between them forms a heart shape so. also I end the story by giving the rival a monologue about how he hopes to apply the love and understanding between him and the mc to the wider world around them and like. gives him hope and stuff. but that's just me idk about u all... did I mention they were both lonely kids starved of love?

[rayshippouuchiha]

I just need a moment to scream about Ranna 1/2. It's my first intro to Gender Bender stuff and that, Huh, am I Really a girl? Moments. I love the world building that we could see in the .... Product of it's Time shonen plot? Like, the acceptable humor of it's time but now horribly grates against my LGBTQ+ and gender equality sensibilities makes it a bit of a tragedy for me. Because the author had so many amazing ideas but they covered it in leecher humor when there were So Many ways it could have been a masterpiece? I mean, it was the 70s (I think?) so obviously there wouldn't be very many open-minded concepts from then but it still hurts, almost.

The gender and animal changing pools, the matriarchal Amazons, the Phoenix and Mollusc Tribes, Ranma's mom Nodoka (who really needs to kill her husband and stop scaring her kid) who is a complete badass (I'm sure Genma (the asshole who should've died on his "training trip") went on the trip because he was scared of her, the fic fodder that Ranma's training trip can give you, the Angst of Ranma's Nekoken (Genma deserved to die for that alone, death by cats asshole 🤬) and his possible grandma figure, the "Rivalry" between him and Ryouga (I'm pretty sure if Ryouga knew gay was a thing, he'd be one) over Ranma not making it to their fight because Ryouga got Lost (there's tons of fics right there for his Lost Trips, the Hibiki's are Directionally Cursed™).

My absolute fav fics are the Trans/Gender fluid Ranma ones. When they're on that journey, too. Just learning who they are. When I'm feeling shippy, then Ranma/Ryouga because they have a Connection. But Ranma xovers so easily. His girl form could be made into so many different Magical Girls (Sailor Moon, Wedding Peach, Tokyo Mew Mew, Cardcaptor Sakura, Shugo Chara, etc.) And his mom! She has no background beyond being a kickass swordswoman and housewife. She can be anything! She just made 3 bad choices. 1: marrying Genma, 2: letting Genma take Ranma on their training trip, 3: pretending that she'll hold Ranma to the contract he signed with his handprint at 3 to become a Man™.

I can't believe that Nadoka would kill Ranma over having a girl form like Genma thinks (but she would kill Genma). She was way too happy to spend time with Ranko (Ranma's go to name for his girl half) and mothering her. I fully believe she'd just be like, You're a woman, too, now so you need to be the Best Woman™ now, too. And just do Girl Bonding. Y'know, teaching Ranma how to look after themselves (cooking, cleaning, financials, more than the same clothes every day), shopping, and of course Swords. Nadoka deserves to pass on her Skills™.

I hate that all of Ranma's fiancees (that he only has because Genma kept selling his son for shit before leaving) are determined to marry him. They all click with Ranma on some level, but more like friends who just happen to be girls rather than wife material. Like, I feel bad for them, but they keep blaming Ranma for all the fiancees when they should be pissed at Genma for selling his son to so many people. Which is probably why I ship Ranma/Ryouga so freaking badly.

Both Cursed, both Amazing Martial Artists, Childhood Friends (for a while in middle school, Ranma's job was to escort Ryouga to class so he wouldn't get Lost and miss school), an actual Friendship to build on. I'm pretty sure Ryouga defaulted to Eternal Enemies over their missed fight because why else would he be so upset and feel so strongly over a missed fight with his best friend?

Anyways, sometimes I just get Feels about Ranma and I had to say it.

Ranma is a classic for a reason

[kimium]

I’m curious. Got any pet peeves for manga or anime that you feel like sharing and ranting about?💜

Aw, thank you so much for this ask! I'm excited to answer!

As a reminder to everyone, this is just my opinion. If you like these tropes or story elements to anime/manga, that's fine.

My Pet Peeves for Anime/Manga

-The Perverted Character

I think this comes as no surprise to anyone. A trope many people hate, the perverted character is one that's a product of its time. It used to be a way to sneak in fan service, but now it's just awkward and infuriating.

Now, this doesn't mean a writer can't subvert the trope, but most play the trope straight and thus it's super annoying.

-Female characters who only serve to fawn over the bland male lead

Oh boy, do I have a lot to say about this one. Usually seen in isekai or reverse harems, this trope does absolutely nothing for me. I understand it's a male power fantasy, but it's so annoying to see it in series. Even if I'm not watching the show, I can't help but sigh every time I see this trope.

-Randomly making a female character like the male lead so the gay UST between him and his "rival" is "negated".

Sort of an off-shoot of my prior pet peeve, I also don't like when a series haphazardly puts a female character with a male character (usually the lead). It's lazy writing and doesn't help tell me why the two should be "together". This pet peeve is even stronger when it's clear the writers are doing this so they can "negate" the true best pairing in the series: the male lead and his rival.

-The "dominatrix" female character

Any time I see a female character who has the sultry voice, the half lidded eyes, the massive chest, and "sexy" body proportions, I'm already rolling my eyes. Then, you add in the "Ara Ara" and make her someone who wants to "dominate" others and it's a female character I instantly dislike on sight.

-Overtly sexual designs to female characters

Another off-shoot of the prior trope, I am just So Sick of seeing overtly sexual designs for female characters and "cool" designs for males. Stop treating female characters like they're only "fan service" and make them interesting. (I'm looking at you, Gullveig FEH...)

-Grabbing another girl's breasts because "I'm so jealous of the size" / Breast Envy

Yeah, this is another "fan service" trope I hate with a passion. The main reason I hate it is... like... who does this?? Yeah, no one and it's just there for the fan service. Also, making a female character wish her breasts are bigger is just clearly making her "conform" to "society's idea of sexy" which I hate.

-Female characters who can only fight other female characters

Finally, one that's not around pandering and fan service! I hate this trope because what it says is "women can't compete with men" or "they don't have a chance fighting a man" and instantly reinforces needless gender values. This trope is also extra annoying when the fight turns into some sort of "cat fight" because again, that's pandering.

-Telling instead of showing how strong a character is (usually female)

"She's such a badass"/ "She's so strong"... okay series then show my girl kicking ass and winning some tough battles. Otherwise it's all telling and not showing. Also, if you use this trope to then have the bland male lead who just gained his powers save her despite her training for years to hone her abilities I will fight you.

(Thankfully this one is slowly being mitigated with newer shonen series.)

-Too long fight scenes

Okay... look. I like shonen series with all my heart. Some of my favourite anime/manga are ones with tons of fight scenes. It's just as I grow older there is only so much "This isn't even my final form" I can take before the fight has overstayed its welcome. Sadly, I have to say I find this happens a lot in Demon Slayer and it starts to make me uninterested in the fight. No matter how stunning and gorgeous the animation is. (Not that I hate Demon Slayer though! I love it!)

-New clothes? What are those?

This is a milder complaint but I can't help but notice more and more how characters aren't allowed to have new or different clothes often. I know it's because it's easier to animate/draw in the same thing all the time, but it has started to take me out of a series a bit more. Or... perhaps I'm just too much of a CLAMP fan...

And that's about it for my big, main ones. There are some other smaller things I don't like but they're tolerable in the grand scheme. I hope you like my list, friend! Let me know!

[metamatar]

it is not a shonen, but yellowjackets (if you haven't already watched it) might fit the criteria of what you're looking for^^

homoerotic in many aspects, does feature a guy but it's about the girls who are fucking each other by-proxy because reasons, many a deadbeat mom, murder, the girls/women are all gay for each other, a lot of fighting and eating each other as an act of love 🥺

anon i know you mean well and its v sweet you're giving me recs but i have watched yellowjackets and it is nothing like a shonen. i need less explicit interpersonal drama and more explosions and fight scenes. nobody in a shonen is even aware they can have a conversation about their feelings. shonen homoeroticism belongs to a genre where the possibility of protagonists ever being gay canonically is impossible, so a show where lesbians make out with each other is nowhere close to the absolute bullshit possible in shonen. comphet in shonen is so high that your lead will be married in the epilogue to a girl who he interacts with maybe five times. and so the fandom can write divorce fic.