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I think about the Westerlings a lot. Because, man, there’s another family that gets thrown under the bus by the fandom in the name of Stark stanning.
#sybell spicer#jeyne westerling#Raynald Westerling#Eleyna Westerling#Gawen Westerling#Rolph Spicer#house westerling#house spicer#asoiaf#op
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[Sybell Westerling to Jaime:]"She would not give up the little crown the rebel gave her, and when I tried to take it from her head the willful child fought me." "It was mine." Jeyne sobbed. "You had no right. Robb had it made for me. I loved him." Her mother made to slap her, but Jaime stepped between them. [...]
Jaime had to canter past the Westerlings as he rode down the column on his way back to Riverrun. Lord Gawen nodded gravely as he passed, but Lady Sybell looked through him with eyes like chips of ice. Jeyne never saw him at all. The widow rode with downcast eyes, huddled beneath a hooded cloak. Underneath its heavy folds, her clothes were finely made, but torn. She ripped them herself, as a mark of mourning, Jaime realized. That could not have pleased her mother.
[Jaime, to the Freys:]"Tell me, is Ser Raynald Westerling amongst these captives?" "The knight of seashells?" Edwyn sneered. "You'll find that one feeding the fish at the bottom of the Green Fork." "He was in the yard when our men came to put the direwolf down," said Walder Rivers. "Whalen demanded his sword and he gave it over meek enough, but when the crossbowmen began feathering the wolf he seized Whalen's axe and cut the monster loose of the net they'd thrown over him. Whalen says he took a quarrel in his shoulder and another in the gut, but still managed to reach the wallwalk and throw himself into the river." -Jaime VII, aFfC
And Robb. Robb who had been more a brother to Theon than any son born of Balon Greyjoy's loins. Murdered at the Red Wedding, butchered by the Freys. I should have been with him. Where was I? I should have died with him. -Theon I(/VII), aDwD
something just so endearing to me about the way robb finds love and friendship with the children of enemy families. their parents still consider him an enemy and work for his downfall, and it would be in their own interests not to get so emotionally involved over the guy who took their castle by force (in jeyne w. and her siblings' case) or the heir of a captor/would-be executioner (in theon's case). but it just keeps happening with robb anyway. he just replaces one enemy's offspring at his side with even more of them. sybell spicer westerling and her brother rolph were secretly still loyal to tywin, but all her kids just gladly transferred their loyalty to a new king with no apparent misgivings. well, almost all of them, we can only guess and assume in eleyna's case. (bc we don't really see her after their intro scene, jeyne's-hips-don't-lie conspiracy theorists! you will not take jeyne's best moments away from her!) robb's younger brother-in-law was so eager to squire for him he was disappointed not to join his last war march and wasn't even ready to leave robb alone with catelyn after he introduced them. jeyne refused to hide her widow's grief once robb was gone and her mother's true feelings were known to her, risking physical abuse from her mother to boldly make her true loyalty known to the lannister regime who murdered her husband and have responsibility for her future. and jeyne's other brother, raynald, he died for robb at the red wedding, no, to be precise, he died for grey wind at the red wedding. robb's direwolf may have distrusted sybell and rolph spicer, and made jeyne uneasy, pushing robb away from his lupine other half at riverrun, until only the lack of most of the westerlings got the wolf back at robb's side where he belonged on the way to the rw, but when the freys came to kill grey wind it was that westerling knight who fought to aid him. when grey wind died, possibly with robb's spirit also inside him, raynald westerling was the one there dying loyally with him.
and ofc, there's still theon too. theon, who, even after everything, after fighting against the starks at wf, so that robb spent his last months waiting to come home and kill him, after all that, he still idealizes robb as his only true brother, wishing he could have been able to die with him at the twins as raynald westerling did. (catelyn was more right than she knew when she thought jeyne's brothers were standing in for those robb had lost, theon included.) part of that is surely down to just how badly theon's conquest at wf worked out for him, earning him the enmity of all the northmen and ending in his prolonged torture by the son of robb's killer, a kingslayer who thanked theon for helping bring down the starks, all giving him cause to idealize his earlier captivity at wf (and feel guilt for his deeds there), but we know his brotherly affection for robb was not merely invented by trauma after the fact. the love was always there, even if it was hidden.
that's what made robb such a potentially good king if circumstance and youth had not been against him. his charisma was such that he not only won the undying loyalty of most of his bannermen but could also win the hearts and minds of those who should have only been enemies. sure, he couldn't change the minds of their parents, who were ultimately in charge, but that wasn't really his fault. and it doesn't nullify the love he did inspire in those children of his enemies, their love was real and it still mattered. it's true both of his sisters gained the protection of the hound, joffrey's dog, and that bran and rickon had the fierce loyalty of osha after she first met bran trying to rob him, and ofc jon snow had multiple wildling allies after he used to fight against them, but robb's the only starkling to gain the love of would-be enemies from two different enemy regions, isn't he? it's just all really indicative of robb's greatest inheritance from ned: ruling through getting to know all your people and making them care for you (with robb taking it further by extending this to hostages) as opposed to the lannister method of ruling only through fear. sansa was right that love is a surer route to people's loyalty than fear, it's just an unfortunate fact that not everyone can be won that way.
#valryianscrolls#asoiaf meta#asoiaf#robb stark#jeyne westerling#theon greyjoy#we follow our hearts ... wherever they take us#I should have been with him. Where was I?#rollam westerling#raynald westerling#long post#we don't talk enough about jeyne's older brother getting killed trying to save grey wind#and people who ignore/forget jeyne's righteous grief and just lump all the westerlings in w sybell really annoy me#it really says a lot abt little loyalty they had to joff and tywin to so easily jump in w a foreign invader king#happy wolf pack wednesday!#(c)lsb
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Game of Thrones/House of the Dragon OC Masterlist
(Will update whenever I add new characters!!!)
Game of Thrones
Alistair Dormaire
Nadya Dormaire
Victyr Dormaire
Erwyn Dormaire (Waters)
Ryen Dormaire
Jenny Storm
Elinor Hightower
House of the Dragon
Kaleb Dormaire
Tristan Dormaire (Snow)
Therese Targaryen (Snow)
Brandon Waters
Rhaedaera Velaryon
Baelon Blount
Aeriana Blount
Sarra Mormont
Adrian Blackberry
Galladon Estermont
Gawen Arryn
Alyssa Dormaire Locke
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Ren Stark
Lena Stark Arryn
Joanna Lannister
Jaime Lannister (Waters)
Robb I Stark
Talisa Stark Tully
Margaery Stark Baratheon
Theon Stark
Edwyrd Stark
Lyanna Stark Hightower
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Jeyne Dormaire
Celda Greyjoy (Pyke)
Rohanne Blackwater
Alysanne Targaryen
Edmund Tully
Edric Baratheon
Erryck Tarly
Allyria Martell
Aemma Corbray
Gwayne Hightower
Rhaella Targaryen
Game of Thrones (A War of Two Queens Side Characters)
Alayne Dustin
Jeyne Payne
Denyse Redwyne
Aemma Flowers
Genna Westerling
Old Valyria AU
Saelvyia Maegar
Naevaya Maegar
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In both the books and the show, Robb breaks his betrothal with a Frey girl to marry a bride of his choice with disastrous consequences. The brides, though, are very different women in very different circumstances. Those differences change our understanding of Robb’s character and storyline, and also play into both stories’ overall themes in very different ways.
In the books, Robb marries Jeyne Westerling, the oldest daughter of Gawen and Sybell Westerling. She’s gentle, sweet, and eager to please with a good heart and better hips. She’s pretty, but not beautiful. She’s not politically important or particularly accomplished. In short, she’s just some girl, loved by those who love her, but no one special.
They meet when Robb took her castle, killing at least one member of her household. He was wounded and she nursed him in her own bed. When he received the news his own castle had been conquered and his brothers were dead, she “comforted” him with sex. The next morning, he married her, feeling it was the only honorable thing to do after deflowering his maiden captive and possibly impregnating her. All of this happens “off screen” and is recounted to us after the fact by Robb as he tries to justify his behavior to his mom. His decision to marry her not only destroys his alliance with the Freys, it also places his new in-laws in grave danger from their former lord. The entirety of their courtship, from meeting to marriage takes place in less than a month.
In the show, Robb marries Talisa Maegyr, a foreigner from Volantis and she’s not like other girls. She’s a trained healer following Robb’s army and caring for soldiers on both sides. She’s plucky, witty, competent, compassionate, and independent. After a slave saved her brother’s life when she was twelve, she decided to never live in a slave state and to not waste her life on the activities of typical noblewomen.
They meet when Robb helps her as she amputates an enemy soldier’s foot. Afterward, she gives him a lecture about how his war is dumb. We watch their courtship play out over several episodes as they get to know each other and fall in love. We see as Catelyn reminds Robb of his existing obligations. He and Talisa repeatedly discuss his betrothal. Their initial sex scene takes place during a less emotionally charged moment. Robb doesn’t marry her immediately the next day. He discusses finding love in arranged marriages with his mom before ultimately deciding to marry Talisa in secret later that night. The exact timeline is unclear, but their courtship seems to take place over the course of several months.
The Robbs who marry these two women are very different people. Jeyne’s Robb is an impulsive, yet well-meaning teenager who did something dumb under intense stress and then made everything worse in an attempt to fix things. He has sex because he loves her and needs comfort, but he marries her because it’s the only honorable thing to do. This is consistent with his earlier characterization. He calls the banners in anger upon learning about his father’s arrest and then keeps doubling down on war in the hopes of a solution. He’s shown to be a lot like Catelyn with her tendency to make impulsive decisions (kidnapping Tyrion, freeing Jaime) and like Ned with his insistence on doing the right thing even if it’s not politically expedient.
The Robb who marries Talisa is a fundamentally less honorable and more selfish person. He knows it’s his duty to marry the Frey girl. He’s reminded of it and discusses it more than once. Despite this, he repeatedly seeks Talisa out. Their pre-sex conversation isn’t “comfort,” it’s all about how neither of them want him to marry his betrothed. He marries Talisa because she matters to him more than his oaths. He’s the king and he does what he wants. That he marries her initially in secret makes him seem dishonorable in addition to selfish.
Fundamentally, I think Jeyne is a more interesting character in the way that her circumstances play into some of the wider themes of the narrative. For example, the fact she starts out as Robb’s captive plays into the existing themes of captivity and consent seen with Sansa, Jeyne Poole, and Theon Greyjoy. The fact we don’t ever get Jeyne’s side of their courtship fascinates me. She clearly loves him by the end, but when did that start? Did she enthusiastically consent to sex, or just not say no to the king in her bed with an army outside her door? Did she even want to marry him? She said “I do�� or the Westerosi equivalent, but so did Jeyne Poole and Sansa. Is coerced consent real consent? Is Robb even aware that it’s potentially even an issue? Everyone else in Westeros seems to think it’s a given that people are loyal and obedient to their captors, or at least should be.
The Westerling family as a whole, especially in terms of Lady Sybell, play into existing themes of trust and conflicting loyalties. Robb is repeatedly screwed over by people he assumed he could trust based on the assumption he holds their primary loyalty. Lysa, Theon, Catelyn, Karstark, Bolton, and Frey all knowingly betray him for their own ends, while Edmure inadvertently does. Everyone has their own agenda. Robb consistently fails to look for it and consistently pays the price. That his mother-in-law is also doing it is par for the course. The fact Sybell also betrays and alienates her daughter and inadvertently causes her oldest son’s death in the name of saving her family makes her a fun parallel to Catelyn.
Jeyne and her just-some-girlness also plays into the recurring theme that everyone matters. She doesn’t have to be a great beauty or politically important to shape history. Her honor as an enemy captive matters just as much to Robb as anyone else’s. By contrast, the fact that Talisa has to be a Cool Girl medical badass following armies to perform meatball surgery while sassing a king and denigrating conventional femininity in order to be seen as a worthy love interest certainly fits the show’s existing themes of how it treats female characters.
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Which character parallel is your favorite?
Robb and Lyanna: art by @elenyaart (1,2)
Cat and Alicent: art by @lupotterdraws (1, 2)
Robb and Lyanna
Loved Someone Other Than Their Betrothed
The maid came forward last, and very shy. Robb took her hand. “Mother,” he said, “I have the great honor to present you the Lady Jeyne Westerling. Lord Gawen’s elder daughter, and my … ah … my lady wife.” The first thought that flew across Catelyn’s mind was, No, that cannot be, you are only a child. The second was, And besides, you have pledged another. The third was, Mother have mercy, Robb, what have you done?
ASOS, Catelyn II
Prince Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna, and thousands died for it.
ADWD, The Kingbreaker
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Cat and Alicent
Vicious For Their Children
“You’re wrong,” Catelyn said sharply. “Every morning, when I wake, I remember that Ned is gone. I have no skill with swords, but that does not mean that I do not dream of riding to King’s Landing and wrapping my hands around Cersei Lannister’s white throat and squeezing until her face turns black.”
ACOK, Catelyn V
Afterward, King Viserys tried to make a peace, requiring each of the boys to tender an apology to his rivals on the other side, but these courtesies did not appease their vengeful mothers. Queen Alicent demanded that one of Lucerys Velaryon’s eyes should be put out, for the eye he had cost Aemond.
Fire and Blood: Heirs of the Dragon—A Question of Succession.
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𝔑𝔢𝔴 𝔞𝔡𝔡𝔢𝔡 𝔪𝔲𝔰𝔢𝔰:
Captain Hallis Mollen: called Hal, is a member of the household guard of Lord Eddard Stark at Winterfell. Hallis is muscular and has a square brown beard. He has a tendency to state the obvious and has a loose tongue. During the battle in the Whispering Wood, Hallis personally commands the guards protecting Catelyn, after asking for the honor. Robb, now King in the North, sends Hallis, twenty guards, and five lordlings to protect Catelyn when she goes south to meet Renly Baratheon and negotiate a possible alliance. At Winterfell, Barbrey Dustin, Lady of Barrowton, tells Theon that should Ned Stark's bones emerge from the Neck, the escorts will be prevented from going north of Barrowton. Carrying the remains of Eddard Stark and aware of the taking of Winterfell, Hallis makes the order to go to Castle Black to Jon Snow. Canon. Song Era.
Queen Jeyne Westerling : is the eldest daughter of Lord Gawen Westerling and Lady Sybell Spicer. Robb Stark, the Young Wolf, agrees to marry a daughter of Lord Walder Frey as part of the alliance between Houses Stark and Frey. Jeyne's father, Lord Gawen Westerling, is captured by Robb's army captures during the battle in the Whispering Wood and held at Seagard. During the westerlands expedition of Robb, now the King in the North, his army storms the Crag, the ancestral keep of House Westerling. Since Robb is wounded by an arrow, Jeyne's mother, Sybell, and uncle, Ser Rolph Spicer, encourage the girl to nurse the Young Wolf. While recuperating at the Crag, Robb receives a message that his younger brothers, Bran and Rickon, have been killed by his former friend, Theon Greyjoy, who captured Winterfell. Jeyne comforts Robb in his grief and they sleep together. To protect her honor he marries her the next day, but the marriage leads directly to the break-up of Robb's alliance with Lord Walder. Canon. Song Era.
Lady Regent Allyria Dayne: Allyria Dayne is a noblewoman of House Dayne, and according to semi-canon sources the younger sibling of Ser Arthur Dayne and Lady Ashara Dayne. She is the aunt of the young Edric Dayne, Lord of Starfall, whose father was her older brother. Having been revived several times by Thoros of Myr, Lord Beric Dondarrion admits that he has forgotten the hair color of the woman he was pledged to marry. With Berric dead, the alliance with House Dondarrion dies with him. Regardless, Allyria offers Princess Arianne safeguard at Starfall as well, backs up a second plan if she wished to Crown Princess Myrcella again. Allyria is under the impression that her sister, Ashara was in love with Ned Stark and thus, has no ill thoughts toward the man or the North. Canon. Song Era.
Lady Myrielle Lannister. Daughter of Genna Lannister, having been born out of wedlock after the death of Genna's husband, she bore the name Lannister instead of Frey. Myrielle often felt neglected by her aunt' paying more attention to Jaime and Cersei than to herself and thus, she was often spending her days with other lesser Houses or her cousin Joy Hill, to the dismay of her mother, as she made friendship with a bastard. She is send reluctantly to King's Landing to become a lady companion of her ocusin when Tommen is crowned King. OC. Song Era.
Lady Mellario of Norvos: Lady Mellario is a noblewoman of the Free City of Norvos, and the estranged wife of Doran Martell, the Prince of Dorne. She had three children by him: Arianne, Quentyn, and Trystane. Mellario was born in Norvos. Accompanied by her guardsman, Areo Hotah, she met Prince Doran Martell when he was visiting the city of her birth. Doran caught her eye during a festival, where the three bells of Norvos were ringing and the bears were dancing.[6] When Doran returned to Dorne, Mellario went with him, escorted by Areo. Hotah Doran and Mellario were betrothed. They would marry not long after, as their first child, Princess Arianne was born in 276 AC. Two more children would follow: Prince Quentyn, born in 281 AC, and Prince Trystane, born in 287 AC. Since divorce in Westeros is uncommon, Mellario eventually returned to Norvos. There's some bitterness about this from Mellario, as Doran was the Prince of Dorne, which enabled his children to stay with him, while she had to leave them behind. Canon. Song Era.
Lord Rennifer Longwaters: Rennifer Longwaters is the chief undergaoler of the dungeons beneath the Red Keep. He is descended from Ser Jon Waters, the bastard son of Princess Elaena Targaryen and Lord Alyn Velaryon. As chief undergaoler, it is his duty to keep the counts of the prisoners in the cells of the Red Keep. Ser Jaime Lannister enquires into Rennifer's role in the escape of his brother, Tyrion Lannister. Rennifer explains how the cells work, and boasts of having royal blood. When Ser Jaime seeks out Ser Ilyn Payne before departing for the riverlands, Rennifer lets Ser Jaime into Ser Ilyn's quarters. Considering the youth of the new Lord of Driftmark, Rennifer disputes that perhaps a relative of age should take place until the boy is of age. Canon. Song Era.
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The maid came forward last, and very shy. Robb took her hand. “Mother,” he said, “I have the great honor to present you the Lady Jeyne Westerling. Lord Gawen’s elder daughter, and my . . . ah . . . my lady wife.”
The first thought that flew across Catelyn’s mind was, No, that cannot be, you are only a child.
Cat’s chapters are my favourites. Like you can’t top this, she loves her kids so much and that's why Robb is such a likable character. I can never get enough of just how much Catelyn loves her kids and how, even if Robb is literally her king, he’s still her son. It’s so perfect.
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What do you think of these edits? (Warning, long lol)
Catelyn Stark - Reunites with Arya, and receives confirmation that Rickon is alive and safe, and indications that Bran is as well. Dies laughing as she manages to help Robb escape the Red Wedding.
Elia Martell- Not only is Elia spared assault from Gregor Clegane by Jaime Lannister, but both her children didn’t end up being killed in the sack thanks to Elia’s cleverness and Sansa’s weirwood timeline intervention. Not only that, but she eventually lives to see Gregor Clegane face justice. Subverted in that Elia is still plagued with guilt and shame over what befell her fosterlings Gawen and Jonquil, the two children who were swapped with Rhaenys and Aegon.
Arya Stark - Word of God states that although Arya has still experienced trauma, she has been better off. Reunites with her mother and older brother at Riverrun, eventually reunites with Rickon at Winterfell, and eventually learns of Bran’s survival and as of her last POV is with Sansa again. She is also eventually freed from an unwanted betrothal to Hoarfrost Umber. Subverted in that Arya suffers intense guilt for both Catelyn and Jeyne Westerling being directly and indirectly killed due to the Frey’s betrayal. She believed Sansa hated her and that explained her not returning to Winterfell. Character development shows that while Arya matures and does sincerely try in her position as the highest-ranking female at Winterfell with Robb widowed and Sansa absent, her discomfort in this role is evident but still written without the character not falling into not-like-other-girls nonsense. While she does escape this unwanted betrothal, it comes at the cost of her own fertility with Part IV having Maester Luwin diagnose her with MKRH, a condition which inflicts the sufferer with no uterus.
Jeyne Poole- Among the supporting cast, Jeyne Poole is perhaps one of the best examples. According to Word of God, they wanted Sansa’s friend to have a much gentler storyline. In the Weirwood Queen, Jeyne’s father is still killed in the attack on Ned’s household and afterwards she is still sent to one of Littlefinger’s brothels to be “trained” this time along with Meri, a smallfolk girl from Sherrer Sansa took into her service. Subverted in that the brothel madam Bel stalls on training Jeyne and Meri, rightly recognizing that they are not only too young but have been forced into this work by Littlefinger’s greed and Cersei’s indifference. Bel then helps Jeyne, Meri, Arya, and Sansa escape from the city. As of Part V, Jeyne has spent years in a privileged and comfortable position as a lady-in-waiting to Arya, something that other commentors have pointed out that a steward’s daughter’s would not normally be considered for in the ordinary course of things. Thanks to everything they have been through together, Jeyne and Arya are also now friends, with Jeyne being among the women to console Arya after she finds out about her diagnosis. Simultanteously, Jeyne and Meri have been in a discreet but long-running relationship, something that commentors have delighted in. As of Arya’s last POV in the Part V, the two have returned to the Riverlands with Arya’s retinue and also will reunite with Sansa soon.
Poetic Justice/Poetic Karma - Littlefinger sells Jeyne Poole's maidenhood to a paedophile sells word. Fortunately Jeyne escapes the city with Meri and the Stark sisters before that happens. Littlefinger ends up being killed by said sellsword.
Jorah Mormont sold people into slavery and lusted after a barely teenage Daenerys. After being exiled by her, he meets his end at the hands of a teenage slave.
Office Romance - Brienne Tarth and Deziel Dalt are an example of this, with both being sworn to Olyvar and Sansa. Over time, they become close and eventually Brienne accepts Deziel's offer of marriage.
I know there are a lot more obviously, lol. I'll add them when I get the chance or if someone else wants to, feel free to take my notes and update it.
I definitely agree the quotes section needs updating! Honestly each POV should get one IMO. The problem is choosing haha
I’m a little confused, because a lot of the edits at the top don’t have a trope/context?
Also, Littlefinger was killed by Bel. She framed a pedophile sellsword to whom she’d sold Jeyne’s maidenhead (after she escaped and was already out of town)
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Jeyne Westerling, the Young Wolf's bride.
“Mother,” he said, “I have the great honor to present you the Lady Jeyne Westerling. Lord Gawen’s elder daughter, and my . . . ah . . . my lady wife.”
"Queen. Yes, this pretty little girl is a queen, I must remember that. She was pretty, undeniably, with her chestnut curls and heart-shaped face, and that shy smile."
#jeyne westerling#robb stark#asoiaf art#valyrianscrolls#fanart#house westerling#asoiaf quotes#emma. (2020)
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A deal with the devil and the demon dancing around it.
The devil – Islas del Hierro
¿Estarías dispuesto a negociar con el mismísimo diablo para proteger tu posición? Cyrenna no lo dudó ni un solo instante cuando estuvo librando esa guerra silenciosa por la regencia con su cuñado. ¿Y qué hay más diabólico para una casa costera que un hijo del hierro?
Claro que aquella no era la primera vez que el isleño y la occidental cruzaron sus caminos, sino que en el pasado se vieron envueltos en alguna situación (bien un altercado o quizás incluso algún evento real) que les llevó a ser algo más que meros desconocidos. Podría tratarse de afinidad de carácteres, o el hecho de que en un futuro iban a encabezar casas entre las que había rivalidad o incluso un pasado sangriento y que a ambos les convenía –por alguna razón– una relación amistosa.
Fruto de esta especie de simbiosis, the devil logró retrasar durante uno de sus viajes marítimos a Symon, el cuñado de Cyrenna, lo que le garantizó a esta la regencia. Además, han llegado a un acuerdo tácito bajo el cual El Risco, si se regresara a las Antiguas Costumbres, saldría indemne. A cambio, ella se las ha ingeniado para establecer o mediar en rutas comerciales para abastecer a la austera isla sobre la que éste gobierna.
El personaje puede, o no, estar de acuerdo con las políticas de apertura al continente de Quellon Greyjoy y que su relación con el Risco sea prueba de ello del mismo modo que para Cyrenna esa amistad con las Islas del Hierro es un mensaje claro, es capaz de convertir a los enemigos en aliados, a diferencia de otros. O puede que pese a preferir las Antiguas Costumbres, el personaje sea capaz de ver los beneficios que un contacto en las ricas tierras de Occidente supone.
Más información:
– La trama trata de explorar esa simbiosis mencionada más arriba entre dos personajes de reinos opuestos, cómo en quienes creíamos ver a un enemigo, podemos tener un valioso aliado sin pasar por alto las consecuencias que eso pueda tener de cara a sus vecinos. Considero que es interesante explorar esa suerte de dualidad, de desaprender un poco lo aprendido. Podemos matizar un poco más con vuestras ideas, que seguro que ayudan a darle más chicha al asunto.
– El nombre del personaje y la casa a la que pertenece son libres, lo único que está prefijado es que provenga de las Islas del Hierro, pues son los vecinos más inmediatos con tal reputación. Podéis escoger la edad del personaje de acuerdo a vuestras preferencias.
– Podéis, ante cualquier duda o lo que sea, contactar conmigo mediante el tumblr del ask o por este discord: acoatl_. (¡Puntito incluido!)
Dancing Demon – Occidente
Ser Symon Westerling es el hermano menor del difunto Stevron, Señor del Risco. Un caballero apto, mucho más sibilino que su hermano mayor y quizás más adecuado para haber ostentado el título de señor que, por orden de nacimiento, le correspondió a Stevron y por lo que siempre lo envidió.
Durante años y debido al aparente desinterés de su hermano en contraer nupcias, Symon creyó que a la muerte de Stevron –que esperaba y deseaba no fuese muy tardía–, el Risco pasase a él. Después de todo, su hermano lo había nombrado castellano y era solo natural que Symon ocupase su lugar tras su muerte. Sin embargo, Stevron acabó contrayendo matrimonio con una joven occidental, Cyrenna. Eso complicaba las cosas, pero Symon tenía la esperanza de que o bien su hermano fuese incapaz de concebir, o la muchacha estéril.
Los años pasaron y la dificultad de su cuñada para quedarse encinta o llevar un embarazo a término le hizo pensar que aquello que creía suyo estaba ya mucho más cerca. Hasta que nació el maldito Gawen, su sobrino. Un niño al que siempre despreció, mas ha sabido esconder este desprecio durante años, siendo el tío perfecto.
La vida sin embargo le daría otra oportunidad cuando lord Stevron murió, dejando un vacío de poder en forma de regencia. Hermano y viuda se enfrentaron en una lucha tan encarnizada como silenciosa, de la que ella se alzó victoriosa.
Decir que Symon tuvo que contentarse con las migajas que ser castellano suponían es un error, y es que éste no ha olvidado sus ambiciones que espera ver cumplidas a pesar de la buena salud de su cuñada.
Más información:
– La trama se basa en el juego de poder e influencia, en una rivalidad marcada que deben esconder tras cortesía y buenos modales, pues quizás en lo único que están de acuerdo es en que una disputa interna que saliese a la luz no les favorece, pues haría ver al asentamiento como un lugar inestable. Creo que esta dinámica nos puede dar mucho juego y regalarnos algunos ratos entretenidos. Podemos matizar un poco más con vuestras ideas, que seguro que ayudan a darle más chicha al asunto.
– El nombre de Symon no está fijado, sino que ha sido escogido al azar para facilitar la redacción de la búsqueda. Podéis escoger aquel que más os guste o dejarlo, queda a vuestra elección por completo. Algo parecido pasa con el pb, que queda a vuestra completa discreción.
– Podéis, ante cualquier duda o lo que sea, contactar conmigo mediante el tumblr del ask o por este discord: acoatl_. (¡Puntito incluido!)
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REYNA HILL
𝐍𝐀𝐌𝐄: Reyna Hill (later Longclaw)
𝐏𝐄𝐑𝐒𝐎𝐍𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐓𝐘:
ISTJ - ENNEGRAM 5W4 - CHOLERIC. she is a polite, ambitious, adaptable, and trustworthy woman. however, she is also unpredictable, cold, envious, and self-centered. her moral alignment is true neutral. she suffers from abandonment and trust issues, which influence her guarded and secretive nature. despite her cold exterior, she possesses an unwavering will and a sharp mind, making her both a survivor and a manipulator.
𝐇𝐎𝐔𝐒𝐄:
She is a bastard of House Westerling (allegedly), married into the new founded House Longclaw (cadet of House Vikary). However, she is by birth secretly, a bastard of House Reyne.
𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐍𝐄𝐂𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍𝐒:
FATHER: Lord Gawen Westerling (allegedly), Roger Reyne (secretly)
MOTHER: Ambrosia, a handmaid of Lady Westerling (deceased)
HALF-SIBLINGS: The Westerling heirs (allegedly)
SIGNIFICANT OTHER: Raginmund Longclaw (verse dependent)
CHILDREN: Ambrose and Hoster (twins who died at childbirth), Roberta (died at age two of pneumonia), and Gawen (unknown, possibly alive)
𝐑𝐎𝐋𝐄: Handmaid/Food tester/Bedwarmer/Spy
𝐁𝐀𝐂𝐊𝐆𝐑𝐎𝐔𝐍𝐃:
With no living relatives in Westeros and her grandfather traveling around Essos selling wines, little is known about Reyna’s origins when she arrives in King’s Landing to serve Ser Kevan Lannister and his wife. As a bastard from the Crag, Reyna was sent by the Westerlings to serve the Lannisters as a gesture of loyalty, despite the ongoing war after King Robert’s death. Reyna was born from an alleged union between Lord Gawen Westerling and a serving maid named Ambrosia a year before the Reyne-Tarbeck Revolt. Ambrosia, in her youth, traveled across Westeros with her father, Earl the Winemaker, selling wines and other fine drinks. During a stop in Castamere, they prepared for Lady Ellyn Reyne’s nameday festivities. Known for her beauty, Ambrosia caught the eye of many admirers, including Roger Reyne, the Red Lion himself. Ambrosia and Roger began a passionate affair, but rumors of rebellion forced them apart. Ambrosia and her father moved to the Crag to deliver wines to the Westerlings, unaware that she was carrying Roger's child. At her father's insistence, Ambrosia agreed to stay at the Crag, leaving her past with the Lions behind.
Serving wasn’t unfamiliar to Reyna's mother, Ambrosia, but working for Lady Sybell Spicer was particularly grueling. When Ambrosia discovered she was carrying Roger’s child, the workload became unbearable. While Lady Sybell, a noble with lowborn roots, was demanding, Lord Gawen Westerling, Ambrosia's new lover, was simple and indulgent. Missing Roger and his promises, Ambrosia used Gawen to provide her child with a father. Despite Lady Westerling's disapproval, Ambrosia's pregnancy progressed smoothly. She was demoted to a cook, working alongside the stern, half-blind Gwyn. On a rainy morning, Reyna was born amid the brewing Reyne-Tarbeck revolt. Reyna grew up strong and intelligent. Despite Lady Sybell's horror, Lord Gawen acknowledged Reyna as his own when she was two, teaching her archery, reading, and etiquette. By age 10, Reyna helped her mother in the kitchens, though her tasks were minor. Isolated in the Crag, Reyna had little contact with other children, and her mother avoided discussing her bastardy. Instead, Ambrosia focused on molding Reyna into something more than she herself could have been, even if it meant being harsh and manipulative.
Years passed, and on a warm summer night, Ambrosia finally revealed the truth about Reyna’s parentage before taking her last breath. With a few words, Reyna's world shattered—her life had been a lie, and the only father she knew was just a pawn in her mother’s schemes. Though life at the Crag grew unpleasant, Reyna knew revealing the truth would be a mistake. Without her mother’s protection and with Lord Gawen preoccupied, Lady Sybell had free reign over her. Reyna grew into a beauty with long blonde hair and greenish eyes, a blessing and a curse. Her relationship with Lady Sybell was strained and volatile, fueled by mutual resentment. When Lady Sybell became pregnant, Reyna was forced to help, and a small bond formed after Reyna assisted in delivering Lady Sybell’s first son, Reynald. With Lady Sybell’s favor, Reyna’s life improved, and by age 15, a marriage was being arranged. Reyna was promised to a much older knight with a suspicious history of dead wives. Terrified, Reyna’s fate seemed sealed until her suitor was killed in a duel on his way to the Crag. With few options left, Lady Sybell sent Reyna to serve the Lannisters, hoping this gesture of good faith would secure an eventual future alliance for her own daughter. Reyna’s departure was brisk—Lady Sybell gave her an old dress, and Lord Gawen handed her a small purse of coins, telling her to buy something nice once she arrived in King’s Landing.
As an adult, Reyna faithfully served Ser Kevan Lannister and Lady Dorna Swyft, though she avoided Lord Tywin like the Stranger himself. After King Robert's death and the onset of war, she was brought to King’s Landing to serve Tyrion Lannister and keep an eye on him under Ser Kevan's orders. Although no longer in the spring of her youth, some of her beauty remained intact and more than once she heard quips on how she looked much more like a Lannister than the Imp himself. It wasn’t hard for her to find her place in the game of thrones, playing and allowing herself to be played. Reyna did her best to keep her secret hidden from everyone, especially the lions whose claws she was deep tangled into, and keep her head above the water.
After the war, Reyna married Ser Raginmund Longclaw, a legitimized bastard who claimed descent from Lord Reynard Reyne and Lady Lya Vikary. Upon his legitimization, he adopted the name Longclaw and formed a cadet house of House Vikary. Though Raginmund was kind, he was not particularly bright, and Reyna married him primarily for his noble title and his lineage. They settled near the Golden Tooth and had four children, though only one, Gawen, survived infancy.
𝐀𝐒𝐎𝐈𝐀𝐅 𝐕𝐄𝐑𝐒𝐄:
In her main asoiaf verse, she worked as a handmaid to Lady Dorna Swyft and later was sent to serve under Tyrion Lannister at the behest of Ser Kevan Lannister, passing informations to him. She keeps her true lineage hidden while avoiding drawing attention.
𝐇𝐎𝐓𝐃 𝐕𝐄𝐑𝐒𝐄:
In a hotd AU, her story can be adapted to fit into the earlier Targaryen history, possibly as a handmaid or courtier in service to the Lannisters.
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❝ i’m a constant disappointment to my father and i’ve learned to deal with it. ❞ ( jeyne w & robb )
Game of thrones (S1) rp starters / Accepting
❝ Listen to me, Jeyne ❞ Robb began in a softer way than his words may have seem ❝ you are bright, ❞ trying so hard to help him in his duties as king, leaning about his people and costumes so she could be a good queen, knowing how to make him feel like he was really ten-and-six ❝ you are beautiful, ❞ with her curly hair, her heart-shaped face and her doe-like brown eyes he loved so much ❝ and you are kind ❞ making sure he healed. The boy who had just took her castle and killed people she knew and probably held dear in the process. Someone else in that situation would have prayed for his death.
❝ Any father would be proud to have such a daughter ❞ and if Gawen Westerling wasn’t...well, he was simply a fool incapable of appreciating what he had had the luck to be given ❝ but if you worry about what he’ll say about our marrige, ❞ an understandable thing since it had taken place while he was still captive at Seagard by the Mallisters and since it had taken place without his permission ❝ let me be the one who speaks to him first about the matter ❞ the northern offered.
Though quickly pointing out ❝ alone ❞ that way, he could explain how it had all been his mistake. How she had only been dragged into the mess he created in his foolish try to make everything better. Perhaps that could even be a way to protect her. For, if her father was as angry as she thought he would be, at least Jeyne would be spared the screams and the insults which may have made her heart ache like nothing else could as they came from a person she loved so much ❝ he’ll understand you are not to blame for anything that happened. ❞
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hi @tweedstoat thanks for appreciating my tags! the westerling example is really great because it's a house that's fallen on hard times over CENTURIES of selling mines and lands to others (imagine being poor on the westerlands of all places rip), it's let's say a more natural decline than the daynes. and like you say it's crazy that in less than A YEAR the daynes fell out of favor so completely with their overlords (+ the implicit lost of favor that all the loyalists suffer under robert, like the tyrells). the only other house that might aid them or think better of their honor are the starks but that's a huge no in dorne i think.
i don't think the daynes are at the gawen westerling marrying dollar princess sybell spicer level but they sure are laying very very low that even if the snubbed dayne theory is not true, is very telling of them not wanting to call attention to themselves. almost as if they are keeping a secret. humm. i also spoke about here a little about how it's also telling that gerold in the present time the only other dayne onscreen is so reviled for being a warrior (cruel yes but anyway) when he could've been a candidate for the role of the sword of the morning for the same reason, but alas. he's trying to prove himself in any way and free himself from the shadow of people like arthur. makes ya think! he's only invited to arianne's party for his reputation but the rest of her companions don't take him that seriously.
Look I get that they're probably just more relevant to the Northern plot of the story but I just find it weird that Allyria is betrothed to a marcher lord and there's no mention of Ned being invited to the water gardens....also Ned being named after the man who KILLED Arthur.....there is so much anger at and within that family GRRM explain....
#asoiaf meta#this has been a post#fallen and reborn#it's also funny that the only people who might know of jon's birth are the daynes but all of them are dead except the kids who know nothing#except the cover story of wylla the nursemaid#lord dayne as some sort of mastermind dying with the secret of jon's birth and sending allyria as possible another witness away#howland you are next!#meanwhile edric is dropping the family lore left and right all over the riverlands like 'oh is it not common knowledge ned stark arrived at#starfall with a baby of mysterious origin after killing my uncle the kingsguard lol'
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𝕻𝖗𝖊𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖒𝖚𝖘𝖊𝖘;
Lady Samantha Tarly. known as Lady Sam, was a member of House Tarly who wed first Lord Ormund Hightower and later his son, Lord Lyonel Hightower. She was the founder of the Bank of Oldtown. Lord Lyonel initially reacted angrily to the Sea Snake's offer, but Samantha allegedly persuaded her step-son to agree to the Corlys's terms by allowing Lyonel to seduce her and promising to marry him if he made peace. Dance Era. Canon.
Lady Liane Vance. is a noblewoman of House Vance of Wayfarer's Rest. She is the eldest daughter of the heir of Wayfarer's Rest, Ser Karyl Vance. Liane's grandfather, Lord Vance, dies at the battle below the Golden Tooth. As the new heir of the House, Liane searches for alliances against the Westerland forces. Song Era. Semi Canon.
Lady Isis Dalt. Isis is the brother of both the current Lord of Lemonwood and Andrey Dalt, his heir. Isis is a dedicated dancer and has created hier own company of dance to entertain at Sunspear to the emboys as well during parties. Isis unlike many Dornish women, claims to still be a maiden. Song Era. OC.
Lord Andrey Dalt. called Drey by his friends, is a knight of House Dalt. He is the brother and heir of Ser Deziel Dalt, the Knight of Lemonwood. Andrey has been a close friend of Princess Arianne Martell, daughter of Doran, Prince of Dorne, since childhood. Andrey is part of Princess Arianne Martell's conspiracy aiming to crown Princess Myrcella Baratheon as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Song Era, Canon.
Lady Dalia Vaith. Only daughter of Lord Daeron Vaith, the Lord of the Red Dunes, she is the current heir to the Dunes. Close to House Allyrion, Dalia's father wants to marry her to one of the Allyrion sons to join the ehouses and create a stronghold. Lady Dalia does not like the idea and spends her days flirting with other men. Her first kiss as she claims, ws with the much older Oberyn Martell as a birthday request. Song Era OC.
Lord Tremond Gargalen. is the Lord of Salt Shore and the head of House Gargalen. Lord Tremond is among the Dornish nobles who accompany Prince Oberyn Martell to King's Landing for the wedding of Joffrey I Baratheon. With no living heirs as they died during the Rebellion, Tremond travels to King's Landing to get his niece Elinor Tyrell to become his new heir apparent causing trouble among House Tyrell.
Ser Hallis Mollen. called Hal, is a member of the household guard of Lord Eddard Stark at Winterfell. During the battle in the Whispering Wood, Hallis personally commands the guards protecting Catelyn, after asking for the honor. He travels North now through side walks with the remains of Ned Stark bones and whatever remains of his belongings, he goes to pledge himself to Jon Snow. Song Era. Canon.
Lord Erren Florent. is knight of House Florent, the son of Ser Ryam Florent and brother to Selyse and Imry. Erren is brother-in-law to Stannis Baratheon. After the death of Renly Baratheon beneath Storm's End, Ser Erren and Ser Parmen Crane were sent by Stannis Baratheon to Bitterbridge to retrieve the better part of Renly's army, made up of foot soldiers. Ser Erren and Ser Parmen were captured by the Tyrells at Bitterbridge. He remains captured in Highgarden. Song Era. Canon.
Raynald Westerling is a knight from House Westerling, the eldest son and heir of Lord Gawen Westerling and Lady Sybell Spicer. Raynald is part of the entourage of Robb Stark, King in the North, when he returns to Riverrun from the westerlands, having married Raynald's sister, Jeyne. Raynald grew close to Robb and regarded him as a brother. Raynald tried to free Grey Wind during the Red Wedding, Raynald's body was not identified among the thousand corpses afterward, but his trail of blood led to the river's steps. Song Era. Canon.
Queen Doweger Jeyne Westerling. is the eldest daughter of Lord Gawen Westerling and Lady Sybell Spicer. During the westerlands expedition of Robb, now the King in the North, his army storms the Crag, the ancestral keep of House Westerling. Since Robb is wounded by an arrow, Jeyne's mother, Sybell, and uncle, Ser Rolph Spicer, encourage the girl to nurse the Young Wolf. Comforting the young man, the two have a night together and marry due to her honor. Jeyne was unaware of her mother's complot to kill Robb but was aware of her giving her moontea, due to stop drinking it, Jeyne is now pregnant. Song Era. Canon.
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#jeyne x robb#jon x ygritte#ned x catelyn#asoiaf#game of thrones#a song of ice and fire#asoiafedit#jeyne westerling (daughter of gawen)#robb stark#jon snow#ygritte#ned stark#catelyn stark
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What do you think is in store for Jeyne Westerling's future?
I am not sure.
Last time we saw her, she and the rest of her family were travelling west with Jaime's 400-men escort to get Edmure Tully to Casterly Rock. So they remain connected to the Riverlands storyline for now, where Brienne is now set to connect Jaime to Lady Stoneheart. Perhaps the two storylines will reconnect, since Jaime alone has the power to stop that escort from continuing toward its destination without undue bloodshed. We don't hear about Edmure making it to Casterly Rock (which he really should have been by the ADWD Epilogue, come to think of it!) so I have a suspicion that the collision of Lady Stoneheart and Jaime is going to involve the erstwhile captive head of House Tully and the attendant Westerlings, as well.
Jeyne has made her stance toward what happened more than clear, and I don’t remotely believe her to be in danger from Catelyn. The same goes not for her mother.
There would be a kind of poetry to seeing Lady Stoneheart confront Sybell Spicer over what is essentially just Sybell doing what Catelyn did: try and make sure her family survives. The Red Wedding was neither her plan nor known to her before, and she likely lost her own son Raynald in the chaos. Cat could work up some sympathy for Cersei over the same thing. But she is no longer Catelyn.
I've ruminated a bit about Sybell here and adjacently here. She's an extremely grey figure, an abusive mother but also a wrongly maligned survivor in a deeply classist and oppressive system. Jaime’s condemnation of her is screamingly hypocritical.
That said, what role could a person like Jeyne play in such a scenario if not to plead for mercy, to be the queen she never got the chance to be, and to call for an end to the violence? She hates her mother, she has no reason to forgive her, but would she be pleased with the kinds of cruelty that her former mother-in-law is perpetrating in the Riverlands? Hardly.
In the role of a negotiator/voice of reason, she could actually be a parallel to what is very likely going to be Sansa’s storyline and a foil to Dany.
A hostile group of fighters associated with her former husband approaches with ill intent, and it is up to the widow/”widow” to negotiate, with an uncertain outcome. In two cases, magical older widow(s) may play a role. (Dosh Khaleen and Lady Stoneheart.) Will the result be less or more violence down the line?
Jeyne and the now vicious Brotherhood with Lady Stoneheart are unlikely to come to a lasting resolution to their vigilantism for vengeance, since that is likely to be Arya’s role in the story. But it would pose an opportunity to establish Jeyne as a character of integrity and bravery, no matter the outcome, which could lead to different opportunities for her in the aftermath. Should anything befall Gawen and Rollam (and Raynald not reappear from probable death), she may go on to lead House Westerling even.
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