#fallen and reborn

[allyriadayne]

could you talk more about the daynes post robert's rebellion?

SURE

first of, this is mostly my hcs, speculations and a mix of things i must have read back when there was the height of asoiaf meta in 2013 because there is almost nothing about the daynes post robert's rebellion. so bear with me.

just to set the scene, the members of house dayne left after the mess of the rebellion were the unnamed older brother of ashara and arthur, the lord and father of edric; allyria the youngest sister that i headcanon to be much younger than her older siblings seeing as she is betrothed to beric dondarrion who is was in his twenties per agot so i don't think the marriage would've occurred if allyria was in her middle thirties or forties if she was closer to ashara and arthur; edric, twelve years old, beric's loyal squire; and gerold aka darkstar head of high hermitage, also in his twenties? around arianne's age.

(c) Eddie Mendoza for the cover of A Song of Ice and Fire 2025 Calendar

under the cut because i'm crazy

i don't know if the books are ever going to make clear what happened at the toj-starfall zone but we can be sure only that ned went from one to the other with lyanna's bones and supposedly baby jon to return dawn to the daynes. ashara had a baby of father unknown and shortly after ned was there she took her own life, body never found. i go back and forward in thinking if ashara's brother lord dayne was there with her when ned went or if he was one of the dornish commanders defending the targs. in any case, his presence was completely zero during this time so i think he was too injured for a time or too sickly in general to do something to reestablish the dayne name in dorne after arthur being an important part in elia's disgrace and indirectly, her murder.

because yeah after arthur and ashara's death and going by the books there is zero mention of them, even in the chapters set in dorne or others about dornish characters make no mention of them. and it's strange considering that when you read awoiaf and f&b, the daynes are The knights of dorne. queen nymeria marries a dayne, sends a starfall king to the wall, meria martell commands a dayne to burn oldtown, arguably one of the most powerful cities of the time, out of all the sons of daeron ii and myriah martell, maekar marries a dayne, the only dornish lady. it could be nothing OR something but i think it does mean something. we see there's no daynes in oberyn's party in kl or speculation in general about the new sword of the morning beyond remembering dear old arthur. they've fallen completely into obscurity. the house was reduced to a young girl and its child lord.

edric's dad dies before agot (he doesn't seem to afflicted by his death when he meets arya if he were less than a year dead, inheriting the lordship at such a young age would've been dramatic to him), i would say just after becoming a page to beric dondarrion at 7 yo and i headcanon the marriage between beric and allyria was brokered at this time too. this was part of a fic i was writing like 500 years ago but i think lord dayne must have known he would not live too long, not to see edric grow so he must have looked for someone to prepare and take care of allyria and edric after he died. betrothing allyria to a marcher lord is......strange. if a dornish person would have to be married to someone it would go like this 1) not from the reach 2) not from the marches in that order, there is too much bad blood. the daynes have a longstanding tradition of killing oakhearts so marrying allyria to the heir of blackhaven and giving him his only heir, lord dayne entrusted a complete stranger with the future of his house.

beric would've been in charge of teaching young edric just about everything. he would be living in the stormlands for almost half his live, learning from a his maester and how to govern a stormlands' castle. meanwhile, allyria in a few years probably around agot time would be ready to marry beric when she reached her majority. she would've been the defacto ruler of starfall in edric's name when lord dayne dies, i think the idea was to swap when edric gained his spurs: he would return to starfall after a successful run as a tourney knight, probably gaining some recognition from whatever beric was tasked with at the capital (rip king) and then accompany allyria to be married to his knight master. andddd fin.

the thing is. allyria being so young during the rebellion, lord dayne absence for whatever reason and then dying, let the younger members with no connections in the wider dorne political context. it is said young children go to the water gardens and it's fun yeah but it's def a starting point for politics for many lords. it's close to the martells and it's an opportunity to make friends with future rulers, /everyone/ is going. the daynes didn't have this. allyria was probably very young when the rebellion happened (i think no older than 5) and for obvious reasons she was not sent to the water gardens; as for ned, i think lord dayne could not secure an invitation, this or he died too early to even try. if allyria had gone, she would've been for sure one of arianne's companions, she has both the breeding and the standing, but NOT and it's crucial, the reputation. see what arianne has to say in affc about gerold's standing:

"He is highborn enough to make a worthy consort, she thought. Father would question my good sense, but our children would be as beautiful as dragonlords."

it's must be passé to associate with the daynes at this point. think of the conningtons losing all standing when joncon lost the battle and was exiled.

in any case, allyria, more than edric, grew in obscurity. as of the books she's betrothed to a marcher lord nobody knows if he's alive or dead, has a missing nephew and it's in charge of one of the most ancient first men houses of westeros. sad! at least ned is having more fun. which leads me to darkstar. i see his thirst to prove himself, his notoriety as a cruel knight as another way to separate himself from what the main branch has fallen into. he is in his twenties so he was probably affected by the same dark cloud as the others.

"If I led a quarter of a million men to death, would they call me Gerold the Great? I shall remain Darkstar, I think. At least it is mine own."

he wants to have what arthur had, but not be the sword of the morning, he wants something that it's his own, as he says. he may want the sword and the fame like arthur, but not to be associated with another's bad luck so to speak. it's very telling that he's called one of "the most dangerous man in dorne" and what is the sword of the morning if not this? he's a dark mirror of the daynes pre rebellion, just like allyria would've been a renown beauty just like ashara is she wasn't cloistered. something something gerold and allyria as mirrors of what could've happened to ashara and arthur if they hadn't the protection of the monarchy.

i once read gerold is meant to have young ned's plot after germ scrapped the five year time skip and i think this is half true. i do think there is something to be done about dawn the sword and i think gerold is going to steal it and do something with it, something ned can't do because he's /still/ in the riverlands. i don't know what but i think it ties nicely with the theme of deconstructing the noble knight archetype. arthur is only great because he knew how to kill.

writing this i had a breakdown about the parallels between arthur and gerold

to finish this rambling i want to say my hopes for house dayne in what is left of asoiaf is 1) ned alive 2) gerold steals dawn 3) and like. something. honestly i will take anything at this point about allyria. DOES SHE EVEN KNOW? my poor girl and 4) if germ wants to clear the toj situation then it's fine.

thanks for asking and to anyone reaching this point lol. this is mostly general but if you want to talk about anything specific just message me! k thx muah!

[felixaussiegf]

EPIGRAPH FOR THE SUN QUEEN

❝Heavy is the crown and yet she wears it as if it were a feather. There is strength in her heart, determination in her eyes and the will to survive resides within her soul. She is you. a warrior, a champion, a fighter, a queen.❞ - R.N. Sin

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❝THE SUN QUEEN❞

[allyriadayne]

hi @tweedstoat thanks for appreciating my tags! the westerling example is really great because it's a house that's fallen on hard times over CENTURIES of selling mines and lands to others (imagine being poor on the westerlands of all places rip), it's let's say a more natural decline than the daynes. and like you say it's crazy that in less than A YEAR the daynes fell out of favor so completely with their overlords (+ the implicit lost of favor that all the loyalists suffer under robert, like the tyrells). the only other house that might aid them or think better of their honor are the starks but that's a huge no in dorne i think.

i don't think the daynes are at the gawen westerling marrying dollar princess sybell spicer level but they sure are laying very very low that even if the snubbed dayne theory is not true, is very telling of them not wanting to call attention to themselves. almost as if they are keeping a secret. humm. i also spoke about here a little about how it's also telling that gerold in the present time the only other dayne onscreen is so reviled for being a warrior (cruel yes but anyway) when he could've been a candidate for the role of the sword of the morning for the same reason, but alas. he's trying to prove himself in any way and free himself from the shadow of people like arthur. makes ya think! he's only invited to arianne's party for his reputation but the rest of her companions don't take him that seriously.

Look I get that they're probably just more relevant to the Northern plot of the story but I just find it weird that Allyria is betrothed to a marcher lord and there's no mention of Ned being invited to the water gardens....also Ned being named after the man who KILLED Arthur.....there is so much anger at and within that family GRRM explain....

[columbojumpscare]

Got the MHW:IB artbook and made myself very mad over how good the original Safi'Jiiva concept art was. I genuinely don't know what they were thinking when they made it what it is ingame.

[escyn]

heartbreak

-a final version of this

[nonetheartist]

I have started writing a sparkling fanfic;

Callie, a once very dead human, gets a second chance at life as a Cybertronian sparkling sent by Primus. But with all the previous memories of her traumatising life including knowing the future of the Transformers, she wonders if being given another chance was really the smartest idea. She wants to save everyone but to do so, she must help herself first.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14388986/0/

https://archiveofourown.org/works/58671697

https://www.wattpad.com/story/300399381?utm_source=android&utm_medium=link&utm_content=story_info&wp_page=story_details_button&wp_uname=MazzK1ng

[rhythmgameurl]

Please please please Im begging and crying please

[zu-is-here]

were you a witch in a past life? | 11 ♡

[kelbunny]

Got the Princess Ending in Tactics Ogre Reborn!

My usual nonsense is below

Get trapped idiot. Guy wasn't even a mage either so he was just stuck on that ledge until I killed him lol

I <3 bringing Ozma to Dark Knight fights. Call them out girlypop. She didn't speak though during the Barbas and Martym fight though rip 😔

However-

Inside every Law!Vyce is a little bit of Chaos!Vyce wanting to kill. And he shall be allowed to kill. Aka I finally switched Vyce over to Buccaneer bc Speedstar.

Sass 'em Queen

Anyways...

The princess ending cutscene... where we talk to all our allies... man

Vyce get his own reminisce scene...

Siblings........

Canopus being Canopus and Zenobian Knight....

Ravness! I like how her and Catiua become friends

And Azelstan pulling on my heartstrings one more time auuuuughhhh

Basically Father and Daughter and the lovers....

I really like Xapan. I didn't see much of his better side during Chaos, but he's a pretty funny guy.

And I forgot Donnalto exists bc my main healers are Olyvia and a generic Birdman haha

What y'all up to 👀

Anyways, I'll probably do CODA 1, and then go and do Neutral, as well as grab Cressida before doing the rest.

I did finally make Denam and Catiua Dark and Light though haha!

[manybackflips]

The Guilty Gear team are going hard on the stage names in Strive and so far I’ve heard next to no one talk about it!

White House Reborn? BANGER!

12-D Flux Observatory? BANGER!

Fallen Prayer, Engulfed Lives? BANGER!

Banger after banger after banger!!!1!1!2!1!

[bardicjustice]

feeling So Normal about these comparisons

Heartbreak goes home to die. Sidestep goes home to be reborn

[allyriadayne]

Can you talk more about your house Dayne headcanons? Especially if it's anything about Allyria or Ashara.

hiii sure, though some of them i've already written about here.

okay... let's see. i like to think ashara was younger than elia by more than a few years, the younger of elia's ladies and the only one who could entertain her and make her laugh when elia was in the worse of her pains (some kind of chronic illness?). very lively and carefree, the complete opposite of arthur who was too intense and serious for normal people. i am 100% behind tumblr user mylestoyne's version of arthur and i would not change a thing. i'm obsessed (if you search my arthur tag i'm sure i've reblogged some posts about it). i see her as deeply empathetic and sensitive.

i like the contrast of arthur being too enmeshed in the targ conspiracies while ashara is living the highborn single lady life in the capital, too worried about elia's moods than about aerys or the other lords. though while she was afraid of (and for) arthur, i think she was fascinated by him and could not make herself turn away. let me explain, being the sword of the morning is the top of the top, instant celebrity status, mythic hero sense of destiny. and i think having your brother become and embody this type of role is A Lot. esp bc arthur must have been facing the horrors of whether he was Worthy of wielding dawn and because i don't think he ever let himself be human, not before gaining down and not ever after. growing up with legends of swords of the morning fucks you up, it's like aegon the conqueror suddenly appearing to the targs. like. it's the SWORD that funded your HOUSE, the magic FALLING STAR embodied in the brother ashara always thought was more than human (or less?!?!?!?!). and while she chafed against arthur's bonds, i don't think it

in any case, i think ashara was a very social person, feeding from her connections and when she was sent (in disgrace?) back to starfall after getting pregnant, cut off from her friends and court, to the castle where only her little sister resided was very hard. now her baby is dead, her /brother/ is dead, lord dayne is still in the war, elia dead.... well. i could see her not having anything else to cling to.

i headcanon allyria was either the daughter of a second marriage or a very accidental baby because of the difference in ages between her and her siblings. i like to think her mother was an allyrion of godsgrace that felt very homesick and named her daughter in reference to her former house. of course she was the baby and of course she was spoiled esp because her older siblings were not in starfall at all (edric's dad serving the martells in sunspear, and arthur & ashara in the capital). she's the one who knows the castle best of all because she's never left it, a point of pride and of resentment. and speaking of resentment, while she was happy to see ashara come back to have her baby in dorne, she 100% hated her after she threw herself from the palestone sword tower partly bc as a child she didn't understand why ashara would leave her.

allyria never got on with her oldest brother that well, a massive age difference and the disparity in grief (he remembered ashara and arthur and loved them while allyria never really knew them) didn't help to make them closer, not even when they were the only ones inhabiting starfall after the rebellion. i headcanon allyria as somewhat an odd child to the adults around her, by all technicalities an only child, priding herself in her independence but yearning for company. lord dayne seeing this and not wanting her to grow alone he brings gerold from high hermitage (gerold's mother was a dayne from starfall) and they form a friendship. very pure and very healthy except when gerold needs to gain his spurs and thinks of himself as the man of the castle bc lord dayne as his knight master is too sick to perform the usual lordly tasks like ridding the lands from outlaws or performing justice. this i think contributes to his sense of importance and wanting the sword etc (he leaves starfall bc he starts hating lord dayne's weakness and allyria's passivity in this issue, he also needs to make a name for himself away from this).

allyria loves babies and when ned is born it's like the sun is, too. ned can't leave her and ned will love her for who she is and will not be as bigheaded as gerold. ned adores her in return. in my other post i explained my reasoning behind her betrothal to beric dondarrion, adding to this lord dayne and beric's dad might have been war buddies during the greyjoy rebellion and seen in him and his son people he could trust his sister and heir in case of his death. i don't think allyria seriously loved beric, i don't even think they met more than once or twice, but i do think she was deeply affected by the news of his "death" more for ned than for her being unwed now. she's become too used to be alone.

some made up miscellanea:

i know house jordayne is named for robert jordan the fantasy author but i like to think it's a stark-karstark situation with the daynes.

house dayne of high hermitage was created after davos dayne married nymeria of ny sar as a favor to him and his siblings.

dyanna dayne was also myriah martell's youngest lady and she and maekar fell in love. there was not meant to be another targ-dornish marriage due to the tensions but neither daeron nor myriah could separate them.

i like "fallen and reborn" for their house words bc it's the name of one of the first official visual art i saw of them back in the day. it also goes nicely with the mythical origin of their house.

[fandomfiish]

Blonde RO's in games have a special place in my heart.

Because why are their routes always so deliciously angsty and fluffy at the same time?

[dark-elf-writes]

REBORN HAS SUN FLAMES SO LEON PROBABLY LIKES LAYING ON HIM BECAUSE HES LIKE A WARM MAGICAL ROCK

I think about Leon more than literally anyone else at this point

Reborn constantly putting off a low level of heat from his flames so no matter where they are Leon is comfortable. Leon stretched over Reborn comfy and sleepy and sunning himself on his partner.

As you should Leon is the best character and should be appreciated.

[draklorn]

i need to think of a hc to write about so i can rotate devan around in my brain in a productive way

[e17omm]

Do you think Vita was lying the entire time or some of the time?

No it feels like she was lying the entire time. Or more accurately; she was not telling the whole truth and definitely withholding information.

That she's traveling from world to world, always being "lucky" to be the only surivor? That is true, from a certain point of view.

Like, I dont feel like its a Kiana/HoV situation where HoV blows up their house and takes off Ziggy's arm, and Kiana has no memory of it because her evil twin did it. I feel that its more that Vita has obligations she has to do and while she isnt enthustiastic about it, she is also not against doing them. How do I put this...? Like knowing you have to take out the dishes from the dishwasher. You dont feel like doing it now, but you know youre going to have to do it later.

I feel like Vita is that, but about destroying bubble worlds.