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AAAAAA GHOST
#losing my mind over this#i miss them#their HAIR#AAAA#thank you ichikawa for everything that you do#hnk#ghost#from party at the end btw#translation by penebui
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domain expansion
#my art#jujutsu kaisen#jjk#yuji itadori#itadori yuuji#fanart#jjk fanart#jjk spoilers#jjk manga spoilers#jjk leaks#jjk 264#yuuji#help she entered a fugue state and finished a painting in 7 hours again#I still wish with all my heart that wed gotten megumi but HOLDS UP YUUJI THATS MY BOYYYYYYY#god his face is Messed Up i feel so bad#but i do think this is how ill go about drawing the injuries from now on :'>#just a Mess of flesh tones on that boy :((((( maybe shoko can kiss it better#anyway towards the end of drawing this my llsif pilled brain supplied 'domain expansion: happy party train' and i think its a keeper#yuuji if u havent picked a name yet pls consider thank u <3#a train station tho......as much of a vibe as it is i SUFFERED#the high ceilings full of pipework...the parallel lines....thank god i make the rules and dont actually have to detail it all#i love u vague lines that convey Essence Of Room#i think it works !!! i feel like im waiting fr a train n watching time slow around me as the lights stretch#btw the rake brush is SO good fr making lil bits of stretched light like u r squinting . i love it i have fun#anyway enjoy !!! him!!!! we r truly in yuuji kaisen i never Once doubted my boy
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Time & Space pages 1-2 ( This is the start || ao3 (not yet!) || next ) Starts less than 24 hours after the death of Willy Stampler. With the job done, there's finally time to sort some things out. They just need the right amount of space.
#dungeons and daddies#dndads#normal oak#henry oak#normal oak swallows garcia#dndads 2#fanart#kineticallyart#time & space#Coming at chu live from my first dance chaperone duty#Monkeys paw is not over btw! In case this made you nervous#I'll be doing both#Next 4 pages of mp already in the works#They're delicious you're gonna love them#Anyway canon didn't have the framework to peel apart the oaks like a surgeon with a grape#So here we go :)#Don't worry normal i gotchur happy ending#For you. Personally.#Anyway i don't have this planned quite as meticulously as mp#Plotwise#But the script doc is like 6k words long so there's gas in this tank#That said updates on this will be slower than on mp until mp ends#Getting mp done is still priority 1#Anyway (x2 combo)#Implied context here is that at the “Willy is dead and we saved the world” after party at the S-O-G's place#Normal kinda lost it#At who and what about doesn't really matter#No one's holding it against him#But the result is that they're not gonna let him pretend to be okay anymore#Normals done a lot of taking care of other people; time for other people to take care of him for a bit
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lovewings
#marcoace#my art#marco the phoenix#portgas d ace#ace one piece#marco one piece#one piece#one piece fanart#the concept was Ace stealing him across the grandline hence the shitty map bg lmao#which my gf was laughing at like 😔 ok i thought it was a neat idea but now im just ah..#the light source is really shit btw im sorry#theres stuff i know i shouldve done differently#but i just autopiloted into a safe zone#the safe zone im fighting to get out of bc i hate the end result#anyway enjoy enough pity party from me#this was supposed to be for valentines day but i was late#how to stop feeling disappointed when u finish something id love to know
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walkin' with a dead man over my shoulder!
alt versions bc i love experimenting with layer modes
#SORRY FOR BEING ABNORMAL ABOUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THE DIRECTORSHIP. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN#the text is from the hotline message about the hotline btw. with a couple lines from the coming storm near the end to fill it out#this was fun i liked getting to mess around with negative space#(all the dark gray areas including the shading on jesse are on the same layer. and the colors are the layer below)#also i think the text took almost as long as everything else because that is not my natural handwriting. yeowch. endless grind simulator#control#control remedy#control 2019#oh and the caption is a lyric from dead mans party by oingo boingo#art#digital#yayy posting art before sunset
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Would love to know your favorite Joey character (also love the way your draw him)
Aw, thank you 🥺🐐🐇💛🤍
But my fav Joey character? Yeah, I guess I can turn this into a mini show and tell, lol 👍
From Starkid: Ted Spankoffski, which is kinda obvious. Is he a terrible person who deserves the title of "Most deaths in the Hatchetfield series"? Absolutely. Is he still my blorbo? Absolutely 👨🐐
This man has no shame and I love seeing him die anytime he appears in a HF story ✨
From Tin Can Bros: Scrags, but mostly because I am unable to rewatch SAF more than once a year, cause it gives me such slaps in my face after act 2 starts that I am emotionally unable to watch it (/pos ofc, I just can't go through sleepless nights over gay spies anymore 🥲)
So sorry Owen lovers, I just like this depressed dog dad more (Especially after the Grunch, go watch it 🐕❄)
From Shipwrecked: Easily Ernest Hemingway, no debating, lol. Funnily it's mostly cause I love his costuming/design, like this brown on brown on brown is really speaking to the artist in me, ugh 🔪🤎🥃
(Also, I own the jacket, and Joey said it's cool I own something he wore and get to make look cool again, but it's so goddamn big on my 5 foot self,,,,,,)
✨Honorable mentions✨
Sergio's design from the SAF Kickstarter, just look at this boy, peak villain Joey design 💣💼
Dash Gunfire, who I've named most of my plushies after and have a crack theory about 🐇🤍🐇🤍 (He and Agent Curt Mega are related. No I won't elaborate, iykyk)
Tripp, the Brom's Babe who is definitely the most dramatic of the three 💞 (Also, I love these three in general??? Let them be gay and do crime and be probably terrible wing men to Brom) (Someone also ask me about all the headcanons I have about them, there's a lot)
Dracula Joey
I JUST LOVE ANYTHING DRACULA RELATED, OK?? ESPECIALLY IF IT'S RELATED TO THE BOOK! IDC IF HE ONLY APPEARED FOR 3 SECONDS, HE'S A REAL CHARACTER TO ME ❤🖤🧛♂️🥀
#ask#This is what you asked for right?#It is now :3#starkid#tin can bros#shipwrecked comedy#you need to watch everything here btw (Especially from Shipwrecked!)#hatchetfield#solve it squad#spies are forever#the case of the gilded lily#headless series#poe party#friends til the end#long post#joey richter
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i may be a little out of it, but imagine: Heaven, Iowa by Fall Out Boy with Skully and Yuu
#i don’t mean this as ship btw !!! i know the lyrics say “lovers” but like.#you and someone else#so painfully different from the world you’re stuck in now#so you find you can relate to one another#but in the end you’ll have to part without the memory of each other#i loveee thematic parallels <333#skully j graves#twst#twisted wonderland#twst yuu#yes there is definitely something deeply wrong with skully#but have you considered: skully and yuu are the only people to understand each other#“kiss my cheek baby please. would you read my eulogy?”#“tell me when the party ends. will you still love who i am?”#“i closed my eyes inside of your darkness”
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moments in entirely unrelated media that inevitably leave me thinking about steve and danny. "it seems that the two of us have joined together into unity", okay, alright! that's a steve "it's kind of like a marriage, me and him" mcgarrett quote if they were ever playing one of those games where you're forbidden from saying certain words but he still needed to reach his daily quota of reminding the world he wants to be with danny forever. or if he were undercover cosplaying as spock
#crucial (to me) context here is that the tracking app is NOT a response to romantic jealousy it's a response to a murder investigation#though there's simply no defense for tan for going.#oh 🥰 so you forgive me a little bit for lying and being your prime murder suspect 🥰 i guess we're basically married now 🥰#anyway. by the end of this episode the joined together guy is going to be unfairly arrested for yet another murder#after which there will of course be homoerotic situations while one party is behind bars.#which as we all know is a very h50 sort of situation to find yourself in#*#video#mcdanno#clip is from manner of death (beloved) btw. but i'm not tagging that because the post itself is about h50. in my heart
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maybe an insane d20 ship but burrow's end ava/silence tho...
old person romance!!! ava always speaking her mind and never shutting up and being allergic to real emotions vs hester feeling the pain of their sister maiming and then leaving them for twenty years and still being vulnerable to write it down and express it the only way they can despite the loss of their jaw. silence surviving to see what their sister has become, feeling despair and grief and betrayal but also can't deny that they still love her bc that's their sister, and getting ava to share her own guilt and helplessness about kenji; ava talking abt raising tula and viola by herself and hester talking about whatever kind of family they had with the other first stoats, and how their role functioned at last bast with so many stoats gradually finding their way over the years--the responsibility of providing a home in the aftermath of death and doing it while holding the guilt that you werent enough to save the person you love the most in the whole world.
(hester getting jaw surgery with the help of human science and the light, so they don't have to wear a gas mask all the time, and speaking for the first time in 20 years. tula never quite trusting silence and always giving them the stink-eye, and bennet being kind of awkward 'cuz ava is awesome and intimidating as an in-law but her partner is his former boss and both his in-laws will probably live way longer than him and it's kind of weird. i think thorn would be worried about his role as stoat representative and the stoatal relationship w humans, right up until silence confirms they are 100p on-board and then he will relax completely around them, but viola will always be sketched out as well, like her sister. lila will also follow tula's lead, but jaysohn would follow ava's and end up bragging often about both his cool and powerful grandparents. the painfully awkward conversation that ava brings up all by herself to the suffering of everyone else including hester when she has the "they could never replace your father" conversation, even tho tula's already with bennet at this time and thus has had this convo with her own kids already, and hester knows they're not kenji and would never try to insert themself like that into ava's kids' or even grandkids' lives, but ava insists on talking about it bc she's doing emotions now! embracing change! and this is truly one of the only times tula and viola and hester lock eyes and understand the frustration and love they all have for ava lol.)
this got long!!! oops. but ye, ava came back from the dead to yell in silence's face about how much they don't scare her and i was like "i'd ship it" and i stand by it lmao.
#rei rambles#burrow's end spoilers#erika ishii#aabria iyengar#dimension 20#burrow's end#ava burrow's end#i know they were the Bad Guys and i totally get why tula attavked right away#but i was yelling the entire time abt how they werent getting the lore-drop LOL and i picked silence out as my fave#bc of the mask and the way they kept trying to say smth. and like. theyre missing their JAW so you KNOW smth tragic happened!!!#(not me thinking about dabi like dont look at me lol.)#anyways felt v vindicated when the kids found their journal and it revealed that they were the one that suffered the most bc#that was their sister!!!!!! they tried to stop their sister from going for more and they failed and got maimed#and they still loved her enough to name a place of power and religion and ceremony after their sister's heart. 🥺#anyways yeah there are serious reasons to ship them w ava but also the unserious reason is that i will always love loud/quiet ships hahaha.#and also any ship that starts on the battlefield ofc 😌#i really felt aabria when she was trying to stuck up for nuance in antagonists in that one adventuring party 😂😂#but yeah at the end of the day like. the dictator 100p killed sybil in front of them so. 💀#idk if the rest of the first stoats survive in this au btw. i didnt think abt it that far.
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idk why I thought of this cute drawing crossover idea for pride month but fuck it ! and it’s understandable if you can’t do it but pls take care of ya self !
Kim Pine swimming underwater in a blue aquatic doodle background alongside the Bull Shark Pup aka the shark protagonist from the game Maneater and Kim be casually normally petting its snout while sneakily finding it cute as it nuzzles intelligently back with its snout.
and the Bull Shark Pup has cute waterproof lgbt lesbian flag blanket wrapped around its dorsal fin
and be equally nuzzling it’s snout against Ramona Flower while she was scuba diving allowing her to gently feel the bull shark pup’s. damaged scarred dorsal fin and sneakily use a underwater camera to take picture of its cute unknown existence.
Details: the ref images I sent were to help show what Kim Pine and Ramona Flowers wear while underwater and the in game design of the Bull Shark Pup.
Kim Pine be casually holding her breath underwater cause she can and secretly skilled at it. While wearing a green teal style long sleeved zip swimsuit and red diving mask on her face with a snorkel mouthpiece attached to it. and wearing pair of black red diving flippers.
Ramona Flowers would also secretly dye her hair in the Bull Shark Pup’s unique red blue colour pattern after finding out about its existence and it surviving in a public swimming pool due to Kim Pine discovering it first normally.
While Ramona be wearing a black blue short sleeved zip wetsuit diving flippers and diving mask on her face with a scuba tank on her back
while Ramona breaths from the scuba regulator oxygen mouthpiece in her mouth while holding gently onto a underwater waterproof camera.
i still don’t know why I came up with this and sorry for bothering with this cute idea but pls remember to take care of yourself and have safe day or night !🦈🤿🪸🏳️🌈🫧🎸
wow you came prepared
Yeah, bit too much detail/elaboration for me to really do- especially given I haven't played or seen much gameplay for Maneater just yet- BUT! I did do some sketches based on/around what you've given me here!
+bonus Scott doodle because that's genuinely how I think he'd react to the hair colors shfkshdkfhe
(And here's just the shark, in case anyone wants it- although I will note that it's blown up to fit the canvas, so sorry if that nerfed the quality.)
#the kim there is posed based on the most recent version of that one pool party piece bryan did? bc i was gonna have her be chillin by the +#+poolside and have our shark here be in that. but oh how backgrounds and I are at odds...#spto#sp comic#spvtw#scott pilgrim takes off#scott pilgrim comic#scott pilgrim vs the world#kim pine#ramona flowers#scott pilgrim#there are kimona crumbs.... i will tag it#ship stuff#kimona#art#fanart#maneater#maneater game#sharks#pride month#ooc#asks#jackthesilentgentlemenshark#au#scott pilgrim au#just wanted to note that the haircut i used for ramona is from the end of book 5. i realized i never really see art of that cut? so i took#+it upon myself to Deliver. it's a cute look imo- a little tricky to draw in a satisfactory manner tho#anyhow. requests are still open! and will continue to be for the duration of the month#(another little sidenote: your username tied w this ask made me chuckle a little. my best friend's name is jack and they LOVES sharks)#the last stripe of the flag IS just barely visible btw. i just couldn't scrunch the lines more or I'd cry. so i had to improvise
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you're so handsome when i'm all over your mouth
#caption inspired by 'strangers' from ethel cain#you should listen btw beautiful song#like a bad ending scenario where ayumi's spirit mocks yoshiki as he goes at it like. the dramatics of it all#corpse party#yoshiki kishinuma#corpse party fanart#houjitsun art
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OK but...WHY did Rosalina make Rainbow Road?
Not long ago I made a post about how Super Mario Party Jamboree seems to imply that Rosalina made Rainbow Road:
But that just raises many questions:
Why?
If all versions of Rainbow Road are variations of the same one, why does it look different every time it makes a reappearance? Does Rosalina modify it or does it change whilst she's not around?
If they are different Rainbow Roads, why does she keep making them?
How could Mario have met Rosalina for the first time in Galaxy 1 if he had been racing on a road she had created for years? Assuming Mario Kart is canon to mainline Mario, which... is unlikely, ngl.
I'm gonna try and answer all of these because overthinking the lore behind my comfort characters makes my brain produce the happy juices 🥰
OK, so first off...why?
Rosalina explains in Galaxy 1 that she visits Earth every 100 years:
But we've never seen her park the Comet Observatory on Earth, not just in Galaxy but in any Mario media (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure if she's even able to park it, it may be able to function like a starship, but it's also a space station, maybe it doesn't work that way. Either way, I'm pretty sure we've only every seen it in the sky. The closest Rosalina has ever gotten to Earth (in the mainline games, unless you wanna count 3D World) was using the portal through the Gate to get to Gateway Galaxy:
You could assume that maybe she meant that they fly by the planet, but her story book would have you believe otherwise:
So how does she get to Earth?
By using Rainbow Road!
Maybe this is how it goes: once she gets to Gateway Galaxy (or maybe she doesn't bother and just flies the Comet Observatory within close range of Earth), she creates Rainbow Road, and walks along it to get to Earth. Once her visit is over, maybe she leaves Rainbow Road behind in case others wish to use it, and she leaves.
Why doesn't she fly down to Earth herself? Um...
Nostalgia...?
Walking reminds her of and reconnects her to her childhood, humanity and earthly roots?
Yeah.
Yeah!
See, she even walks at the end of Galaxy at the end of her visit to Earth and only starts flying once she returns to the Comet Observatory, showing that she is both figuratively and physically re-embracing her role as a cosmic guardian:
Totally viable explanation, clearly this headcanon is watertight.
Anyway...
So let's suppose that Mario and pals find Rainbow Road one day (by using a telescope, during an adventure, it doesn't really matter how) and, being the completely sane people they are, unanimously decide to race on it.
So yeah, that's my theory - Rosalina made Rainbow Road to walk to Earth on her centennial visits...but there's the problem: centennial. As in, once every 100 years. If there's a new version of it in every Mario Kart, do 100 years pass between every game? That can't be right, Mario and the most of the cast aren't immortal, so what gives?
Well...remember that cycle she mentions in Galaxy 1:
She explains that when stars die, they turn into star dust that scatters across the cosmos, which then reforms into baby stars, baby stars who will grow up into stars. She calls this "the cycle of life". However, keep in mind that baby stars (Lumas) can also turn into comets, entire galaxies, etc. We see the result of the most recent iteration of the universe's cycle directly in Galaxy 1's ending, where Mario welcomes the newly reconstructed universe.
The universe repeats a cycle of rebirth indefinitely, but the cycle never repeats itself in the exact same way; every iteration is at least a little different...
...sound familiar?
What if every version of Rainbow Road we see in Mario Kart is the version she creates in that specific iteration of the universe? Hence why none of them are "quite the same". It would also explain why Mario, Peach and the rest are still alive despite a new road being made - the Mario in, lets say, Super Mario Kart, is not the exact same Mario in Mario Kart 64, and so on and so forth. Sure, to Rosalina it's been another 100 years, but to them, they don't remember the previous versions of the universe. Either that or the cast are preserved (or revert to a younger age, maybe?) after each cycle, like at the end of Super Mario Galaxy.
Speaking of, the fact that we still have discussions surrounding the lore of both it and Rosalina is just another reason why they both continue to be some of the best things to come out of this franchise, even 17 years later.
Happy anniversary!
****BONUS****
Here's more potential "Rosalina created Rainbow Road" foreshadowing that I missed last time I talked about this:
I'm just saying, Nintendo associates her with Rainbow Road a lot, it almost seems like they've been trying to imply she owns it since the Wii era...
Or maybe it's as simple as "Rainbow Road is the popular space track, so let's make the popular space princess its mascot." 🤷🏾♀️
#rosalina#rainbow road#mario kart#super mario#nintendo#super mario galaxy#mario party#super mario party jamboree#headcanon#fan theory#video games#calling it now this topic will be yet another addition to the ever-growing list of rosalina lore people will never stop arguing about#the other topics being whether she's a princess#whether she's a goddess#whether she reset the universe at the end of Galaxy 1#and whether she's mario/luigi and peach's daughter from the future/another timeline#she is she kind of is (by definition she is...KIND OF a demigod...?) she didn't and she's not respectively btw
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judas kiss
#i'm kidding (maybe) but valentino wouldn't be (perhaps)#it is a kiss btw sete makes the appropriate sound effect and everything. very sweet very wholesome very gracious loser tm#//#brr brr#he makes for such a good foil because he's also so... idk image conscious but rather than use it he tends to get in his own way#complete contrast in their later narrativisation because they both identify a different turning point in their rivalry#(and for MY money they're BOTH overshooting by a few races)#and both make it about unsportsmanlike conduct from the other party. thing is they couldn't have reacted more differently#vale has a tendency with some rivals to play down how central they were to his career and it's not a coincidence (imo) that the biggest -#- victims are the two he had the best relationship with. marc isn't the strongest rival he ever faced. sete is dismissed completely#(which biaggi is to some extent too in that he calls his later rivals stronger but at least he allows biaggi his place in vale's story)#and like... buddy. prime!vale had 14 points in hand over sete with 3 rounds to go let's not pretend it was THAT comfortable my man#but that's what he does! and then sete by contrast makes it about moral injury which is a more flattering story than -#- 'yea he drew some pentagons and lit some candles and chanted a bit in latin and after that my bike would run out of fuel on the last lap'#obviously the relative amount they've discussed it post end of rivalry is completely lopsided but that's true of all but one vale rivalry#all that being said obviously sete did make it way too easy for valentino lmao. the hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby of psychological warfare#curse tag
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irt the lrb what would you say if i said liam & noel spent new years 2023 together in paris
what would you say if i said liam bought the house in france (the one with noel's name carved into the walls) in march 2023 and that month noel talked about wanting to spend several months in paris
which could mean nothing
#just making guesses chatting shit talking bollocks you know how it is#if anyone can debunk that first thing pls tell me!#feel like i'm wearing a tinfoil hat and it doesn't vibe with my outfits if y'know what i mean#feel like i should do a timeline but every time i try it gets out of hand#ok have some very messy puzzle piecing:#liam & noel texting/calling from time to time since jan 2020#noel splits w sara spring 2022 starts spending more time in manchester#maybe march mothers day something happened?? possibly liam & noel met up in april??? that's pure speculation though#pretty boy released oct 31 2022 noel stops wearing wedding ring#noel spends christmas in england for the first time in ages#liam listens to the smiths all christmas eve. on christmas he has a party for close friends and family (including bod)#liam and debbie go to france for the new year to house hunt#liam claims on twitter (no one believes him) that noel is with him on new years day#(((he posts a selfie that i uhhh got very tinhatty about.. don't worry about it)))#noel goes to a football game on jan 5 and he is in a very good mood#divorce news jan 14. liam's divorce playlist jan 15. allegedly out drinking together jan 16. noel does promo for new single jan 17#jan 18th liam claims on twitter noel wants to meet up#peggy's 80th birthday end of jan#liam's hip surgery beginning of feb#feb 6th he claims noel's “coming over later to wipe my arse and change the bedding he's a good lad really”#starts slagging noel off for real again in early march (he'd been “nice” since november's pretty boy promo)#news that he bought a house in france#noel does a bunch of promo at the end of march (when the 3rd single came out) some of which didnt air until june when the album came out#there's one interview where he seems very tired and hungover and he blabs about paris for ages#end of march is the 1st time he tells liam to call him. 2 months later he asks (goads) liam again a bunch of times#anyway i probably forgot some liam tweets from jan/feb and i really haven't looked into 2022 or 2021 yet#but yeah it's pretty clear they were hanging out 👁️👁️ jan 2023 and then things soured by march after liam's surgery#(((kinda wonder if noel ghosted him and then was too scared to call))) ←wondering that bc it's exactly what i would've done :/#the christmas eve/day stuff probably means nothing btw but well i'm feeling insane about the new years stuff don't even worry about it
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something that bugs me about Frieren is that the adventure of the Hero Party to slay the Demon King famously took 10 years... what about the return trip....?
#sousou no frieren#frieren: beyond journey's end#frieren at the funeral#haven't written anything down but I'm trying to make a mental timeline#girl the math isn;t mathing#yeah sure the way back could be shorter bc Mr. Hero Completionist solved everything but surely travel alone would take some years??#even if the manga made it look like they had a cart all the way from the north to back#also 10 years can't include the return trip already bc just making it to the goddess monument took 7#unless they made it to Ende and back in 3 years somehow#(not impossible tbh maybe Himmel decided to speedrun to [REDACTED])#btw Himmel started the journey at 16!! WILD!!!#so he'd be 26 when he slayed the Demon King and 76 when he died#weird that he's so skrunkly and bald at that age esp since Heiter aged more gracefully#but maybe terminal yearning just does that to you. who knows!!#btw he's still strong as fuck being able to travel far and defeat monsters solo just before he died#I forgor Frieren's timeline I think she was already a couple centuries old when she met Flamme#then Flamme dies some 50 years later. and it takes a few hundred more years before she joins the hero party at which point she's already#around a thousand years old#will I read the manga again to take notes? probably I feel deranged enough#IF I'M MISSING ANY DETAILS FEEL FREE TO SLAP ME WITH IT
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*Poll inspired by typical ambiguity in the new audio story Victory of the Doctor, which on an unrelated note is amazing!
Evidence for each argument beneath the cut!
Open marriage
The Doctor's wedding to Marilyn Monroe occurs in A Christmas Carol, when he storms off to a chapel with lipstick marks on his face. “I’ll just go and get married then, shall I? See how you like that. Marilyn? Get your coat!”
While he wasn't yet with River then, he maintains this relationship afterwards, apparently with River involved. In the mini-episode Good Night, the Doctor enters the TARDIS with a euphonium, calling over his shoulder, “River! I’ll see you later! Tell Marilyn she’s too late, she’ll have to use the biplane. Take care!”
Another piece of evidence comes from The Wedding of River Song, when they're passive-aggressively flirting.
“Hallucinogenic lipstick. Works wonders on President Kennedy. And Cleopatra was a real pushover.” “I always thought so.” “She mentioned you.” “What did she say?” “Put down that gun.” “Did you?” “Eventually.” “Oh, they're flirting. Do I have to watch this?” (from Kovarian)
I've never understood the innuendo (please tell me what I'm missing), but Kovarian does, and as we know from The Husbands of River Song, the Doctor and River are both married to Cleopatra, so… it's definitely something.
There's also that diary page in The Eternity Clock game that suggests the Doctor, River, and Jim the Fish got blackout drunk at karaoke night and started “some sort of religion of love” which went on to last for centuries.
Serial cheaters
“How can you be engaged, in a manner of speaking?” The Doctor is jealous in Flesh and Stone before he's even kissed her, which doesn't set him up as a person who'd be interested in an open marriage.
“No, wait. That's your husband? That's who you're married to? Not anybody else?” In The Husbands of River Song, the Doctor is clearly not expecting the other husbands. Culminating in the same episode…
“So, King Hydroflax?” “Oh, how many times? I married the diamond!” “So you say.” “Elizabeth the First!” “Ramone!” “Marilyn Monroe!” “Stephen Fry!” “Cleopatra!” “Same thing!”
It appears he is well aware of her other spouses (and that she's aware of his); so perhaps his surprise was more that didn't expect her to be so flagrant about them. It makes him insecure (“I posed as his nurse. Took me a week.” “To fall in love?” “It's the easiest lie you can tell a man. They'll automatically believe any story they're the hero of.”) enough to start an argument about it.
River also expresses her jealousy as an obvious fact, as seen in The Day of the Doctor Novelization (written by Moffat who (along with Alex!!) knows the character best):
“Ow!” “Madame de Pompadour?” “Jealous?” “Of course I’m jealous. Keep your hands off her.”
In The Name of the Doctor, we learn that the Doctor, who has had a number of... sexually-charged moments with Clara (including, but not limited to, Victorian Clara), has avoided telling her that River is his wife. Vastra is uncomfortable with having to introduce them, having “gone a darker shade of green.”
“The Doctor might have mentioned me?” “Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, of course he has. Professor Song! Sorry, it's just I never realized you were a woman.” (from Clara)
Actually both
This could mean many things (i.e. open marriage with boundaries which are violated), but potentially, all the same evidence from prior arguments! With a shade of “Our lives are back to front.”
In the mini-episodes First Night/Last Night, when River, having burst into the TARDIS and pretended to faint, mistakes her past self for another woman the Doctor's hiding from her, she openly expresses jealousy.
“Doctor. Have you brought someone else here? Does anyone agree to wear that dress? Where is she!” “River, think it through!” “This happened the last time we were here. You brought someone else!” “No I didn’t!” “Yes you did, I heard you talking to her!”
However, when a third and significantly older version of River makes the same mistake, she no longer expresses jealousy, but rather curiosity, which could at least signal a shift in how she sees their marriage.
Maybe there was a conversation that happened. Maybe it slipped the Doctor's mind when he forgot Clara.
Actually neither
This could also mean multiple things, but one of those things is this. The Doctor is a widower from the start. Likewise, River is well aware of Doctor's death on Trenzalore, “of course River would know, she's always known,” having been raised to prevent those events, and having refused to be bound by that destiny.
How can fidelity be defined the same way for time travelers? Everyone's spouses are dead somewhen. River understands the paradox of her husband's existence better than anyone. To quote The Day of the Doctor Novelization yet again…
‘Because you live in a time machine. All of history is still happening outside those doors. On a good night that means everyone you ever met is still alive and you can’t wait to see them again. On a bad night, it means everyone’s dead, and you want to charge around the universe, pretending you can do something about that.’ She looked up at me. ‘I know which version of you I prefer.’
And there she was, so alive again. I remembered her, twisted, burnt and dead, in the depths of The Library. ‘What if there are people who died because of me?’ I asked. ‘What if there are people I should have saved?’
��People die. All people, everywhere. We grieve and we move on. That is how we respect the dead. That is how we forgive ourselves in their presence and their absence.’
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