#friendship ended with j2m

[blanketforcas]

potentially controversial take: i don’t understand why people are so against j2 and their brohood? they genuinely seem to love each other and enjoy each other’s company and they’re always referring to each other as a brother. i can’t help but be reminded of people who are so insistent that both/either of j2 aren’t really friends with misha even when they’ve always said how much they love him!

no-one has to like all of j2m but projecting personal bias onto real life relationships is just going to end in disappointment, imo.

(i do understand perhaps feeling a little jealousy towards the amount of j2 content that comes out of ce cons, though, and desperately wish they’d at least mix things up and have j2m panels. it’d be nice to see misha included more!)

mmm like i do agree that j2m are all friends in some ways, but i think the individual friendships look very different from each other (just based on everything i've seen and general vibes i get)

and there's a performative aspect to j2 panels that changes in intensity sometimes but it's always present. nothing that negates their genuine friendship, just something they bring out in each other and it has to do with the audience's expectations and fandom/con history in general too, i think

in the end we don't know what their friendships fully look like and the way we think about them will always be shaped by our biases

[pooopopop]

I've seen nearly all of J2M's panels, interviews, posts, read articles about them and their own provided works etc. I find them all observationally fascinating and approach trying to understand them and their different life experiences with an open mind and can acknowledge that certain situations aren't always going to equal the whole truth of a famous someone because I will never know them personally and therefore cannot ask directly. Conventions/panels, for instance: they're for entertainment purposes, part humor and sarcasm, part truth. Stories, interactions, are often going to be embellished.

Whilst none of them are perfect �� literally no one is! — and of course I don't know them on an intimate, personal level, I still feel very confident in saying that they're inherently good people, based on the conclusions I've reached from my own research. That doesn't mean I'm incapable of scrutinising certain behavior or thinking critically just because I'm not agreeing with your opinions.

I could continue to refute a lot of your points individually by offering a different perspective (and draw attention to where your so-called facts are simply incorrect) but I don't think persisting with circular arguments is a worthwhile use of time. You're entitled to feel differently about these things and clearly have made firm decisions based on the "evidence" you've gathered about Misha in particular. I rest assured knowing your POV is not the majority. ✌️

I mean you’ve been sending me long anons for days already and I’ve gone to the trouble of providing sources for all my claims for *you*, I don’t know why you couldn’t do the same if you’re already invested in talking to me anyways. If there’s individual claims I made that you take issue with because you don’t think they’re credible and I didn’t supply my sources, please be specific, and I’ll provide what I can to show either what I’m referring to or how it brought me to having my opinion. I think people just make excuses and justify questionable behavior in order to keep their attachments to them. Even if you think you’re looking at them critically and from a distance, you’re still fostering a parasocial relationship, and nobody is “inherently good”, least of which are rich celebrities. That doesn’t mean that you can’t enjoy them. I enjoy Norm Macdonald, the IASIP cast, and a lot of other people without needing to make sure I’m weighing their every sin and good deed on a scale, in order to keep enjoying them.

The difference is that these people constantly go to conventions and everybody besides J2 is pretty accessible. Misha in particular has gone out of his way to foster this environment where he knows the happenings in the fandom and recognizes fangirls, acknowledges them, responds to them on social media, sometimes meets up with them IRL, and has had things like Gish and his community phone number where he’s been even MORE accessible and uses terms of endearments with everybody. The last part feels especially suspect to me because it proves he’s speaking to an audience of fangirls (and people of whatever adjacent gender who are attracted to men, obviously, but we’ll still refer to them as fangirls for brevity’s sake and because I think calling them “minions” is stupid infighting shit that aligns me with J2ers).

I’m speaking to people on here because tumblr is a historically horny and obsessive fandom space and people are joining this fandom all the time and they are only made aware of whatever the circle jerk tells them first. Not only does it foster a bad relationship with middle aged men that you don’t know, and if you did know then it’s because they met you as someone who is a fan of them, it also fosters a bad community environment. People end up having whole friendship networks that depend on unquestionable loyalty to these men, and a hierarchy is created based on who proves themselves to be more devout; in their determination to defend these men, defend the people that they surround themselves with, defend their beliefs, and their every action big OR small. From Misha supporting ICE, the Clintons, the predatory advice in the threesome’s handbook, to the dumbest little things like how he made a Threads account and positioned it as a better alternative to Twitter. This fandom routinely cannibalizes itself and purges the whistleblowers out.

and I got triggered by that karla gif set the other day lol. SailorSally joined the fandom after November 5th and knows nothing but praise for the man, and while I didn’t send those anons to her I can sympathize with them. The cockles fandom can be the worst sometimes because they really push the narrative that he’s queer (and gay for jensen) because they think it’s a testament to his character and therefore it discredits a lot of the shit I’m complaining about. Even if they’re not tinhatters, then they think it positions Misha’s virtues above Jensen, because I guess he’s supposed to be like a bullied gay kid who is still so loving and affectionate in the face of Jensen’s Toxic Masculinity and Homophobia, or something, despite Jensen having gay gossip rags and magazines profiling him as a closeted cutie for way longer with a lot more persistence. Tbh

[bisaster-energy]

this is the ONE panel I would've KILLED to be at live they BELONG on stage together

[cooloddball]

Here's the thing. I feel like Jred has played up Wncst a lot, especially towards the end of the show. He knows who his fans are & I feel like he's always been jealous of Jenmish. I really feel like he's the one who pushed all of these shitty finale decisions or at the very least he fully supported them so he wouldn't alienate his fanbase. He's probably too dumb to realize how much he screwed over his bestie/brother. All so he could go play some dumb cop & get his dumbass fans to follow him.

You are right. I mean the fact is that those fans act like they care for Jensen buy they don't. Because they are literally wishing him dead because he didn't involve Jarpad in this project.

They are literally saying it was wrong of him not to tell him. Hello, the show ended with both bros dead. So if Jensen wants to tell Dean's story he can tell it without consulting anyone save for WB, CW and Kripke the creator the show.

It's actually sad that his fans are a hateful bunch. I remember even when Jensen got the role of Soldier Boy they laughed and said he was just going to be a guest star in a new show unlike their fave who has his own show. LOL.

As for the finale, Jensen literally said numerous times how he hated it. Sven after the meeting which included JP he complained about it but none of the attendees of said new ring including his so called brother/bed of 15 years listened to him. They told him to take it or leave it. He literally had to talk to Kripke to help but he didn't either. He needed his bro but he wasn't there. And now he's throwing tantrums.

I honestly believe at some point he was genuinely happy about the cockles friendship/relationship. After all, J2M were friends for a long time. But as the years went by, and Jensen started to grow as a person and settle down with his loves, he outgrew the boyish banter and making fun of Misha. He outgrew him and since Jarpad couldn't, refused and/or wouldn't grow emotionally as a person, he felt left out. Jensen started avoiding him, buulding his friendship with misha, working on socio-political change in the world, being a better man, learning to be a better human being. So Jarpad. resented his bro/bff Over time, that resentment became anger and then everything blew up when he [Jarpad] got a shiny new show. Didn't Jensen say he could've played Dean forever?

I saw a post that mentioned that the duo was to start a business together back in 2016 but it didn't pen out. Why you ask? All those things I have stated above. This is someone who literally laughed at someone who tw took their own life and called them stupid. Someone who took to Social Media to slam employees instead of reporting them to their managers. He is the same guy who made the entire cast and crew do no work for 3 days because he had an issue with his AT&T data plan. The president of AT&T himself had to talk him down. This story was told by Jensen and Misha at Jib 7. Imagine how selfish someone can be. Do you ever ask yourself if he and Jensen were so close, why is it Jensen was never part of all his awful behaviour??? Let that sink in, Jensen is an amazing man. He took care of him when he was going through a hard time and was even happy for him when his new show premiered.

I don't know why I'm ranting but he made his own bed, he should lay in it.

[fucking-destiel]

Okay so I feel like the fandom has become more divided than ever since the finale aired bc of the difference between Jensen's POV and Jared's POV of the ending. I may be a Destiel blog, but I personally love J2M. They all have a very special friendship that I can see lasting a lifetime. It makes me so sad that fans try to divide and pit these men against each other when the reality is that they all care about each other. All three guys are also amazing and kind people on their own.

The increase in Jared hate just because he has a different POV on the finale makes me feel ashamed as a Destiel shipper. The consistent Misha hate from bibros throughout the years is also extremely disturbing. The whole Jensen hate thing that happened where people accused him of being homophobic simply bc of the poorly edited reaction from Castiel's confession is really bad bc not only is it untrue, but those type of rumors can ruin someone's career.

My point is, if you are really a fan of the show and care about the actors, you would not be sending hate to any of the main actors over stupid shit like shipping or difference of opinions.

I'm proud to say I love all three of these hardworking, fun, and talented actors. I wish them nothing but the best for their future outside of Supernatural.

[barren-heart]

If you’re Jensen Ackles, Misha Collins, or Jared Padalecki.

STOP.

Read this post.

Dear J2M,

This is an open letter for you three written by a couple of unhappy passionate fans.

We write this to you because we know at least one of you has a secret Stan account and creeps on the destiel hashtag from time to time. Don’t lie. (Ahem. Misha Collins. Looking at you, Sir.)

With the subtle hints and possibility of a revival, us here at BarrenHeart (Bee and Jay) have some thoughts on what we think a reboot/continuation/revival would look like if it was done well.

Note: we don’t speak for the whole fandom(obviously). And we don’t even speak for all of the Cas/destiel fans. This is from our observation of the fandom after 15x18 and the finale, plus our own opinions.

Here are our demands suggestions for the potential revival.

--Castiel--

First things first. Castiel is brought back.

And by that, we mean he is either shown to be rescued from the empty, Jack rescues him from the empty, or by some other means, that man is not left there to suffer for all of eternity.

Castiel is a lead character.

Not a guest star, not “and Misha Collins.” No. Misha Collins gets to be in every d*mn episode. He is an equal lead alongside Dean and Sam. Which leads into the next point.

Castiel gets his own storyline.

It can be connected to Dean in some way, but he needs his own arc, y’all. Don't care what that is, but he IS his own character. So, some form of personal growth or whatever needs to happen. He is a badass and deserves a good storyline. Also…

Give this M-- F-- (mother father) his wings back!

Yes, he died without ever having his wings return to their full power. Like? We know he was nerfed so he wouldn't overpower Sam and Dean. Prove to us that he can be a fully powered badass and still work alongside Sam and Dean. No need to get rid of that.

Human!Cas does not mean pathetic Cas.

There is a divide on whether Castiel should stay an angel. Personally, we like human Cas. However, human Cas was shafted in the series. If you make him human in any way, shape, or form, he’s gonna still have to be a badass. Don’t whimp him!

He can be a good hunter/pretend FBI agent just like Sam and Dean!

So, make him one! Let him do more cases. On his own. With other people. With Sam. With Dean. He can fight without powers, too.

Give him love!

For the love of freaking Jack, let that man know he is loved by people. Not even mentioning anything romantic, he still needs platonic love y’all. Let Sam say it, let Jack say it. Let anyone in his family tell him that he is loved. Not once in this series did Cas hear that anyone loved him. So, fix it!

New style, anyone?

Cas needs other clothes! Please now. The black trenchcoat we never saw in-show? Boss. Cas in a black leather jacket? Coolness. Hunter plaid? Do it.

Confession Resolution

Speaking of love, come to some conclusion please about him and Dean. Give a resolution somehow, somewhere. We personally don’t really care how it’s done, but there needs to be something said here. You cannot just drop a confession there and just leave like it never happened. So, talk about it.

Adding this, I swear, if this is bros only, you WILL lose Cas fans. So, think about what you’re doing.

--Sam--

Sam is important!

Now, personally we have a soft spot for Sam. His character arc in Season 1-5 was great. Demon blood, powerful Sam was amazing. So, don’t sideline Sam. Seriously. We are gonna say in an unpopular way (as if this post isn’t already unpopular to some), but Sam got sidelined real hard in the last few seasons of the show. Now, was that what Jared wanted? Don’t know. But, Sam needs his own storyline too that isn’t just revolved around Dean. Figure it out.

Witch!Sam

Speaking of which, let this man be powerful. Sam is best when he has powers. Sorry but also not. He has been given all of Rowena’s (who is arguably the best witch around) spell books and decides to not really do much with it? No. He’s becoming a BAMF witch. Full-out, no word spells and shit. End point.

Sam in Charge

He’s not just a baby brother. He’s a grown man. Give him room to grow. Allow him to be a leader. Let him lead a group of hunters, witches, a whole team of people! He’s strong on his own, too. He's a big boy. Prove it.

He should fall in love.

Like, get married and all that. It’s a part of his arc, so keep it there. No blurry wife, my god! Personally it should be Eileen. She’s a badass. They also have a lot in common! Holy hell. They make a good team. So, keep that suggestion in mind.

Let him have the hero’s journey.

We want a good ending that shows growth for this character! He saw himself as a freak with powers, so…maybe he can use his powers now in a way that in empowering instead? Let him have an ending that doesn't just return to the beginning. Let him have gone through all of this changed for the better.

Don't be creepy.

Still keep the brotherly bond with Dean, but don’t make it weird, y’all. Don’t. Please.

Sam as a dad.

He can have a kid. But, Dean Jr? Eh. You might want to reconsider some other (Bobby) possibilities.

--Dean--

Now, with Dean, I wanna make this clear.

DO NOT K word THIS MAN.

This man here has dealt with unbelievable trauma, suicidal thoughts and even almost died by suicide in the show (okay, it was for another reason, but still!) He dies way too many times in this show. It’s not new anymore. Perhaps, when the show was newer, death might have been a bittersweet ending. But, now. It’s tarnished. It happened too much and the message of “carry on” got tainted to mean “there is only peace when you die.” That’s not okay.

Resolve his issues!

He has so much pain and trauma. Let him seek help. Let your audience know that it’s okay to process these emotions. Let him heal. He deserves it.

Dean’s internal struggles

This is piggybacking a little off of point two, but Dean has a lot of things he needs to figure out. We feel like his journey is more internal. While processing his trauma, he needs to learn that it's okay to be himself. This could include things about himself that he feels ashamed of or scared to admit. Things he may have repressed or suppressed over time. No more hiding who he is or brushing it off or making jokes. Be your true self, Dean. It's time.

Dean’s still important, of course

That said, Dean should still be integral to the overall narrative of the plot. Of course he's gonna go head to head with the Big Bad of the season/limited series, but he really should focus on what's inside first before he can take this monster down.

The Bro bond

No more dependent/unhealthy bond with Sam. Of course they are family and brothers, and will always be close. That's perfectly fine. However, its important to note that Dean was Sam’s mom/Dad most of his whole life. And, well, that never came to a resolution. Please let Dean resolve this issue. Sam is grown and older now, and even though Dean will always feel protective of him as his Big brother, Dean shouldn't feel like his life only revolves around taking care of Sam. There is more to Dean and his life.

Dean is complex

Also, Dean is not only about cars, burgers, and pie. It's like some of the writers forgot this. There are so many things/interests of Dean’s that are really cool and add to the complexity of his character. Keep those things.

He needs to resolve his issue with Jack.

He never said sorry to the kid. Not once after telling Sam that Jack wasn't family. He needs to tell Jack he is loved.

Speaking of which, Dean needs to tell Cas he loves him.

Okay. Who knows if you will make destiel reciprocal at this point.

Do we think Dean would have reciprocated based on context clues and what we have seen in the show? Yes.

Do we think this love is romantic? Yes.

Do we think you'll actually fully make it canon in a reboot/continuation? Eh.

Regardless, Dean loves Cas, so make it known.

Other demands considerations.

‘The found family’ needs to not be forgotten.

All the friends that were made along the way need to be included. What happened with Garth was great, actually. Do more of that. And by that, we mean include Jody and Donna. What are the girls doing now? Wayward sisters anyone? Bring Kevin back. Don't leave him to roam the earth all along like that. Either make him human again like Eileen or send him to rest in Heaven.

Where’s Eileen?

Hello??? Where? Tell us she made it back.

Claire

No idea if you can get Kathryn Newton back, but it would be cool at least for one episode. Please. Kaia? Resolve her storyline.

Also, Charlie.

Wtf happened? That was not resolved. We love Felicia Day. Charlie’s friendship with Dean is amazing. She deserves a few episodes.

Crowley!

Seriously. What happened to Mark was super disappointing. You gotta bring him back. His death wasn't great. Bring him back and give him his damn line already!

Jack!

I'm not fully on the Baby!Jack train, but he does deserve a normal life. He's three years old technically. He had no normal life whatsoever. He deserves that. So, give him that.

More Rowena please!

That's it. She's awesome.

Have a wedding.

No, really. Someone's gotta get married. Our pick: Sam and Eileen. Charlie is also a good contender for having a wedding with her partner, too. So there. Weddings are happy. We want a happy ending.

I will reiterate. Team free will lives. That's it.

Okay. Now, moving on to the next part of this. The elephant in the room. The thing a lot of us actually want from this, but frankly, we aren't sure if you'll do it.

Explicit Destiel.

If you've read this far J2M, then you're probably wondering when this was going to be addressed. So, here are the stipulations on destiel.

Go big or go home.

Yep. We said it. Make it explicit, full out, no ambiguity.

Honestly, you might be thinking what you could do to make it explicitly canon? Well, since there were tons of people who still think Cas’ love confession was just a platonic exchange between two bros (like wtf? How?), you're gonna have to spell it out for people.

But, some things that we may perceive as romantic, some people may not.

--Like, holding hands could be considered platonic between two men to some people.

--Cheek kissing could also be considered platonic to some people.

Not to say we need Jensen and Misha doing full on *** scenes to prove anything, but something more than a hand hold. Okay? Okay.

What we’re saying is basically, you're gonna have to kiss. On the lips. Yep.

So...I guess you'll have to figure out how you want to do that.

On when to make it canon:

You can decide if it makes sense to make it canon towards the beginning or towards the end. Honestly, there could be an argument for either. If it's made canon earlier, you could prove there can be a relationship alongside the main storyline. If you wait until the end, you'll leave fans wondering if you'll actually do it. But, the kiss being the major event of the finale could be worth it. Whichever you do, remember there are upsides and downsides to both.

Other other considerations:

Just realize who your fanbase is now. We’ve grown and changed. Like Becky, your fans have gone through a huge change in what they want from the show. Is the fandom all on the same page? Nope. Will they ever be? No.

You will not please everyone. That's a given. But, a lot of fans want to see the show wrap up in a better way than what we got. Destiel fans aside, the finale was not great overall. There are plenty of negative finale reviews that have nothing to do with destiel.

On top of that, society is changing. Slowly. The attitudes in regards to lgbtq media is quite different than before. You have the chance to make history. Really. If you make this canon, that will be a part of your legacy. You'll hit the news. I mean, 15x18 wasn't even the finale and it trended #1 that day.

We suggest that if you do decide to make it canon, it’s meaningful and you take the time to do it right.

So, consider your fans. Consider the part of the fandom that trended your show over the election. Consider the fans that trended a fictional wedding on Valentine's Day. Consider Misha/Cas fans who felt slighted. Consider your LGBTQA + fans. Just, think about what the reboot could achieve. What it could mean to a lot of people.

As always, we just want happiness and peace when we are done.

Thanks for reading Misha J2M.

Sincerely,

Bee 🐝 and Jay 🐦

[snackles-maniacals]

Is it me do jtwo look extra focused on making us believe that the magic between jtwo isn't gone? I noticed every answer is turned into brothers being codependent like it's a good thing. Jensen said he hated soulless Sam because he missed being with real Sam and JP said he hated Amelia part bcoz Sam wouldn't leave Dean to rot in purgatory. Okay maybe he has a point. But even the panel was all jtwo love with raindrops and whiskers and kittens.

I don't know but it felt too good to be true. Maybe they have worked things out but still. They were all over each other as if their memories were wiped and they were put into this brothers only scripted pr drama.

And It's like suddenly they don't remember the show had found family too. Cas and Jack not even brought up. Cas is forgotten just bcoz he confessed his love? I don't understand what we or Cas did wrong to be neglected like that. I don't remember the last time they mentioned found family or tfw. It's like they all have forgotten the show didn't just run on the brothers storyline. I am a little hurt. It's good that they worked things out. But it's sad that it seems like the show is been pushed into brothers only now that all other aspects are done and dusted. I hope the reboot does some justice but I have too little hope even on Jensen.

Bro I'm still figuring if this is w*incest or Heller ask and I haven't watched any j2 panel so I'm not aware things you're saying in the first half my knowledge of j2 panel is only based on a few gifs that comes around the dash from different panel. Well, I have a really strong opinion about about the whole pr thing if there is any and j2 being nice to make peeps believe they are good friends but I don't think this fandom is ready to hear my opinion but you bought it up so I'll say it anyway

Okay so the thing is there are certain people in life you're just stuck with for whatever reason and no matter how much tantrums they throw or how self centred they are or how hard they are to deal with you just have to tolerate them cause you're stuck with them and that can be your colleague or your friend or anyone in whole world. I know everyone is not perfect and I'm not saying they are all bad they have a good side too, they could be nice and fun to hang out with but sometimes they do or say certain things that are completely opposite of your ethics or sometimes they act in certain way that it gets very difficult for you to tolerate them. And no offense people but I think j*red is that person in Jensen's life. Like 15 yrs of being brothers on a show now he can't just ends things with j*red or go out and be mad at him publically but cause they both celebrity they have to carry the whole brother thing on and that friendship too. For some people j*red must be fun and hilarious and nice person all that but pay attention to those j2m panels where j*red makes fun of misha and Jensen refuses to laugh, those are the moments when you'll see a glimpse of Jensen who's in no position to fight, sure he doesn't agree with what's going on but he can't fight about it either cause he's stuck with j*red. In conclusion pr team or not they both have to keep things going like everything is normal and Jensen has to tolerate j*red no matter what he do.

The found family and team free will topic doesn't come up as much in j2 panel is cause people asking the question are mostly the w*ncesties and their questions will revolve around Sam and Dean that's why Jackles and the other guy answer everything in that way and maybe that's why they bring everything down to brothers cause they don't have anything else to say.

If it makes you feel any better spn's legacy is destiel so Cas will never not be forgotten and keeping j2 aside misha and Alex and other cast do bring up found family topic so we're getting enough content and serotonin from where it counts so that's a win I guess

[sailorsally]

Everyone can think as they please, because we don't know the truth, but what can be said for sure - j2m all three are very close and very good friends. They really care about each other very much and support each other! Their friendship is wonderful, and makes people want something like this for themselves!!

As you said, everyone can think as they please. I am in no way a fan of jared (or jensen for that matter) to the same degree (or at all) I am a fan of Misha (to each their own) but I do think people love to exagerate how much Misha hates Jared which imo is not true. There are certainly aspects to Jared's personality that aren't the easiest to deal with and I personally wouldn't bother but I think they will always think of each other as friends even if they drift apart which I personally think has happened since spn ended (et tu brute kinda proves this)

[unhinderedramblinglass]

So I am literally just speculating but something does not sit right with me about this last season. It doesn’t sit right with a lot of people but here’s my thing:

-knowing this is going to be the last season (I don’t know when they announced it but it was pretty early) and you went in, you started plot lines in s14 that would continue into s15 that just... didn’t go anywhere.

-you brought characters in and back for storylines that only fit to further the boys’ plotline, which would have been fine if you didn’t insist on killing them right after when the fandom has been asking you for years ‘please stop killing my faves’

-one of your actors, who’s been trying to convince you for years, goes full down knock down drag out for one whole ‘I love you’ scene to canonically make him gay (which you’ve been denying for years and made him sleep with women) and you decide to pepper little things throughout the entire season that shows Cas and Dean feel more for each other than just friendship. And instead of making Dean reciprocate, you kill him because of literary symmetry that stopped being relevant to the story in s4 or s5

-you then started a bunch of plot lines (and here is where it REALLY gets me) that were good this season. That were leading you up to the finale. And then you got to the middle of it. AND IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE YOU JUST DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR CHARACTERS OF 15 YEARS SO YOU JUST DECIDED TO THROW OUT AT LEAST 9-10 YEARS WORTH OF CHARACTER GROWTH IN ORDER FOR IT TO REALLY ALL TIE TOGETHER ( I mean, come on. They did a whole ass episode bout why being normal sucks and then all they wanted at the end WAS TO BE NORMAL I CANT EVEN THIS SHOW WAS EVERYWHERE THIS SEASON)

-and then you just LITTER the season with meta and foreshadowing (Dean and Cas in purgatory, Dean and Cas ‘what’s real about any of it?’ ‘We are’, Sam and Eileen not knowing if it’s real and breaking up because of it ((which didn’t even matter come sam wanting to get his dick wet but I digress 🙃)) and then you have Garth who got to live, his episode is ‘the heroes journey’ and he ends up safe, happy, still settled with his wife LIKE A MIRROR FOR OUR BOYS) and then you just DECIDE THAT NONE OF THAT MATTERS

-and then you did exactly what we asked you not to do for years. No matter how many times we all said ‘we want to see the boys happy, together, all three of them. We want them together as a family, even Jack too and Claire and the wayward sisters, we literally wanted everyone safe, happy, alive.’ So it doesn’t matter which ending they were going to give us, it was always going to end in a way we never wanted or asked for. They literally heard... okay. We kill the boys. And then everyone, even if they aren’t dead yet... will be in Dean’s heaven. That sounds right. EXCEPT THE PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE WANTED THERE, THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT REDEEMABLE FOR US (Samantha Ferris, Chad Lindberg, Osric, etc) WERE NEVER GOING TO BE THERE. it was going to be filled with his abusive father, a mother that we fleshed out and mourned for a second (or third I can’t remember) time, a vessel of the guy that very much tried everything to get away from you and your brother and this life and was super not okay with it and only did it to save his daughter but sure, he cares about you, and the actual fucking band Kansas. Who isn’t even dead!

So you did that. You did all that. And so here’s where i absolutely eat fire. Besides wanting to know why on earth this was done to our show after years of asking them not to, I want to know why it nearly felt like they were setting us up for another season. They knew that s15 would be the last way before they started writing. They had the time to write this well thought out ending and they could have taken it so many ways. They could have closed a loop, they could have tried again with the spinoff as I’m sure it would be phenomenal now. But everything they did, every plot hole and plot line they opened and never closed again... feels like it should have been a set up for s16. Now maybe I have too much anger and this was done accidentally, but I don’t think so.

Now I want to add a disclaimer that there a no proof here, I’m speculating, of course. And there were never rumors about a s16. But with the way the season went, I can’t help but wonder if someone had already planned for one. And when j2m said no, we’re gonna hang it up, it fucked a lot of peoples plans of this show being their cash cow. Now, it’s completely possible that the writers are just bad as this show has given us some doozies before. maybe they recycled plot had they been planning for a s16 but Cas’ declaration scene was the first thing to be written so... I doubt that.

But here’s my thing alright, and if you’re already here with me, guys, stay with me: why would you leave all these open ends knowing there will be no other season, throw away all this character growth you’ve been writing and telling the fans about for 15 years, and do exactly what the fans asked you not to and leave them separated and stuck on blood when for years you’ve been telling us ‘family don’t end in blood’?

It was a fuck you. It was a big fuck you to everyone involved. And I don’t mean just to the fans, which is exactly what it was to all the people that asked for them to end up alive and happy (so most of us). Again, I say, I’m speculating but it sounds to me like producers, show runners, went out of their way to make this season not make any sense. To make it bad (the fight with Dean and Cas having been written more sad than angry, the way we had an entire holiday episode for the first time in a while but without Cas, the way they literally told us the ending in beckys scene and then had the nerve to make fun of the GOT ending, I won’t even mention saileen again, the way they knew it would only reach about 30% as a good ending). It sounds to me like someone was being a petty bitch. And especially towards Jensen and Misha. Going back to look at this season, those two boys were put through the ringer and were put at the forefront of our screens and made to go outside of their character especially in the last few episodes, and yet it was all a plot device for Sam to live on.

Jensen who went tooth and nail for his characters ending and hated it (even the original one because I’m pretty sure it was pitched to him precovid) got a car ride for the send off to his character. Misha who fought for Cas to be queer for years got to die and have 12 years of love be for nothing (as dean dies a week later). These are the two that have been trying to tell the show who their character really is for years. If you go back and watch panels, Jensen has been trying to tell them for years where he thought his character should go and he said multiple times that it got swept under. He said he left the meeting feeling drained and they told him he was too close to the story. Bitch, he’s Dean!

I can only speculate that Jared didn’t have as much back and forth with the writers and show runners, but I don’t actually know. I’ve seen a panel in which he said he’s done that stuff but they’ve literally either not listened or done the opposite so I have a feeling he stopped trying so hard after a while. But I can take a guess, after hearing what Jared said at his panel about the ending being good and right, that they brainwashed him just a little to believe that this is the ending they’d always been fighting for. They say forget AKF, forget pretty much all the growth you’ve had for the past few seasons and he had to go along with it. I can also speculate that with the new show coming out they were like ‘shhh this will be good for your ratings’.

TL; DR: I think the show runners/ producers purposefully set us up with a bad season because the producers/show runners are petty bitches and they broke our boys to do it.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

love the little behind the scenes type glimpses into the mishalecki friendship! cute stories about them are so rarely shared because most people are so focused on j2 or cockles. j2m stories are really nice to see, too, should you feel like sharing more 😊

I can't say most of my favorite J2M stories that I've heard. I'll vague about one - there's a recent con where Misha was having a hard time and it showed at the con. J2 ended up spending the night with him to make sure he was ok.

[cooloddball]

Yeah, sure, all of Misha and Jensen's con interactions are scripted... Wtf?

I'm sure that sometimes they agree beforehand on some story they want to tell or a certain thing they want to do but that's it. Besides, how'd you even prepare for something when you don't even what questions you'll be asked?

Regarding that JIB panel in 2017 specifically, I think what we got here is Jensen having had just enough alcohol to get a little reckless and him and Misha messing around. (Or rather him messing with Misha in that case.) Cuz, you know, that's a thing j2m do all the time, according to, well, literally everyone.

I think it's kinda sad that people try to explain away any sign of Misha and Jensen actually getting along no matter what just because they don't like Misha or a certain ship.

I just feel like since the show ended there have been more and more trolls trying to stir up trouble.

Jensen drinks in most of his jib panels regardless of who he is doing the panel with. He also explained that he had gone through an emotional moment when a fan told him a story of how YANA had impacted their life hence he was a bit emotional. I remember at one point during the panel when it got too emotional he changed the subject and went to stand behind Misha and hugged him from the back. so...

I will say that sometimes they may agree to share certain stories before hand like when they brought up the rental house story (it still haunts me to this very day and makes my brain itch).

However, being that the questions are asked by random fans, it is NOT plausible that their answers would be scripted. Unless they actually have super powers to know what fans will ask. Yeah, maybe they are guided on how to answer certain questions about the show and what questions to avoid in regard to the show but most of the questions they are asked are often personal and so very random. So I don't know why anyone would waste their time writing a whole damn script for them

Can I just say that I find it strange that people are always hellbent on trying to prove Jensen isn't friends with Misha but I have never seen or heard anyone say Misha isn't friends with anyone else? Why does their friendship irk some people to the point of making up the most absurd lies about them?

[orionsangel86]

Hey Everyone,

As you have probably noticed, I have neglected this blog for a long time now. I haven’t been on any fandom related social media at all actually. But I figured since I am currently in a good mindset, I want to write a post just outlining some things which basically boils down to a goodbye letter to Supernatural fandom.

Long rambling post below the cut...

This year (and the last) has just taken it out of me in terms of general negativity online both in fandom and in the real world. At first I got tired of fandom (mostly because Twitter is a cesspool of policing and bullying) and then I got tired of everything else (the world sucks right now, and my mental health basically stopped me from being able to participate in any form of online activism – just because I’m not blogging about something, doesn’t mean I don’t support the cause ya know?). Earlier this year, right around the time of the UK lockdowns, I had surgery and a recovery period in which I spent a lot of time with family, and just reacquainted myself with the real world. I think perhaps the coronavirus pandemic made me realise that long before lockdown began I had already been isolating myself from my real life and diving further and further into an online black hole.

It was years in the making. Supernatural fandom preoccupied my thoughts for such a long period of time it got to the point where every moment of my non working time seemed to be spent either online scrolling my tumblr dash or twitter feed, or reading fanfic or doing something fandom related. I invested so much of myself into this show and fandom that I think I forgot who I was before I was a Supernatural fan completely.

After my wake up call in late 2019, which lead me to break free from an extremely nasty clique, I have tried to re-enter fandom on my own terms, as well as attempt to enjoy the source material and the fandom creations to ignite some new spark of love and interest in the show. Yet as much as I have tried, I have failed to do so.

I was thinking recently about someone I used to follow years ago before I ever created a blog. When I was still just lurking in the tumblr shadows and followed the likes of Mittens, Lizbob, and other meta writers of the period, there was a blogger whose name I can’t remember but she was the funniest blogger I had come across. But when the show killed off Charlie Bradbury, she quit. I had never even interacted with her, as I was barely getting my blog started at the time, but I’ll never forget a post she wrote about her feelings on the show. She had recently started watching something else (I think it was Sense8 but can’t recall entirely), and that this new show had given her everything she had never thought she could have from her fave before. She wrote about how her relationship with Supernatural had become abusive. That for years the writers of Supernatural continued to throw punches at fans like her – women, LGBTQ+ people, people of colour, and yet she continued to give it all her time and attention, brushing off the punches because she was so damn devoted to the characters. Then this new show had come along, and it was like she had seen the light. The killing of Charlie Bradbury was the last straw, and she dumped Supernatural’s ass and fled into the arms of her new love.

I hope she is doing fantastically today.

What she wrote has resonated with me for years. I was a fairly new Supernatural fan at the time, and therefore didn’t really understand what she meant. A TV show can’t be abusive. Can it?

Of course, we are speaking in metaphor here, and in no way are these metaphors meant to reduce or limit the truly serious situation of actual abusive relationships, but every now and then, when a new episode of Supernatural has left me feeling upset, disappointed, frustrated and grossly let down, in some cases affecting my mood for days at a time, and therefore my mental health. I have thought back to those words she wrote and quietly agreed with them in my head. Yes. This is a metaphorically abusive relationship.

When I discovered earlier this year that Castiel was most likely going to be killed off in some sort of bullshit self sacrifice before the end of the show, I was extremely distressed. When I found out that my favourite person of all time Misha Collins, supported this ending for Castiel, and may have even been the one who pushed for it, I was more than distressed, I felt betrayed by the person I cared about most. I’ll admit to you all now that in my weakest moments I have fantasized about standing in front of Misha and screaming at him exactly just what kind of affect his “ideal ending” for Castiel will have on his fanbase, on their mental health, and potentially their own safety. This fantasy has me guilt tripping him and doing everything in my power to make him feel utterly shit about the decision. I know what you are thinking – don’t blame Misha, the guy has his own problems and we all know he projects his own self esteem issues onto Cas – and yes, I know this, like I said its only a fantasy to get me through my darkest moments. I don’t hate Misha at all. But perhaps I do love him a little less nowadays than I did back at the height of my fandom life. That’s at least still a little bit more than my feelings for Jensen and Jared which now I can only describe as complete indifference.

I am admitting all of this now knowing full well it will ignite shock and anger among the more die hard fans of J2M, to explain why I need to just leave this fandom completely, or more accurately, why I have already left fandom.

Over the past 10 months of 2020, I have watched a lot of TV (there isn’t much else to do during a lockdown when you are on crutches with your foot in a cast!) and the one thought that occurred to me over and over again was “this show is so much better than Supernatural”.

I kept comparing everything I watched, from the quality of the scripts, the actors, the special effects, to the inclusiveness of the shows. Just so many beautiful and interesting stories that seem to understand their audience, and understand how to entertain and impress without resorting to cringe humour, outdated jokes, and prejudice, not to mention misogyny and queerbaiting – yup, I said it.

The thing is, I think these thoughts have been creeping over me slowly for longer than just this year, but I have been desperately batting them away the way Dean Winchester bats away his own gay thoughts. Unlike Dean though, eventually I couldn’t ignore them anymore. I cannot continue to carve out space in my own soul for this show, which incessantly beats me down regardless of my devotion. The creators, the network, the writers, and sometimes even the cast, have all shown that they don’t care about me as a fan. I’m not some gun toting dudebro living in middle America, so why should they give a damn about me? I’m clearly not their target audience, nor have I ever been.

I know many of you will vehemently deny my personal opinion of Supernatural now. That is absolutely fine. I am sorry to be admitting it, but I had to. I feel like once I finally write out these words, I have got it off my chest and can close and lock the door on Supernatural for good.

Without Supernatural, I am able to focus on my real life, I am able to find pleasure in other things, new things, interesting things, that bring me joy and joy alone – not disappointment and frustration. I found a new job this year, which has been a huge accomplishment as I was stagnating in my old one, and several new hobbies under my belt. I moved to a new flat, I have a lovely flatmate who has been a godsend throughout lockdown, and I have rekindled friendships that I was neglecting due to my Supernatural obsession.

All in all, I am finding post-Supernatural life far more rewarding and content than my life in fandom. It has taken me a while, but I am over the show. And whilst I will always hold a special place in my heart for Castiel, it will be as I know him in my own mind; as the wonderful, strong, powerful and determined angel with a soul, who loves so strongly, and who is worth so much more than his own creators give him credit for. He is up there with Aziraphale and Crowley, with The Doctor, and Buffy, as one of the greatest characters of all time.  

So the Supernatural writers and creators can take whatever ending they have decided upon, and shove it up their asses. I am sorry to say that Sam and Dean Winchester are also lost to me. Any love I had for them was destroyed by their later season depictions. Castiel alone is the only character worthy of that space in my heart now. If in time he longs for a companion, I will find one for him, but it won’t be the Dean Winchester of the canon show. Canon Dean hasn’t been deserving of Cas for a long time now.

Perhaps I am still a little bitter about the ending. Perhaps the finale won’t be the disaster I expect it to be, perhaps Dabb will somehow turn it all around last minute following whatever travesty Bucklemming have given us in 15x19. Either way, I won’t be watching.

So this is me saying goodbye to this blog, at least until I have decided what else to do with it. It certainly won’t be a Supernatural fandom blog anymore. It wasn’t all wasted though. I did get a wonderful friendship group out of this fandom, and I have certainly expanded my knowledge of film and television analysis, as well as having enjoyed a great many memes.

I guess in the end, my internal war with my inner bitter Cas girl finished with her winning, and writing this post. Once it is posted however, I will put her to sleep with thoughts of a happy Castiel, who has swapped his wings for a beating human heart, and is living on a beach somewhere beautiful, refurbishing an old Victorian house, and greeting his kindly elderly neighbours. There’s a gay bar on the main strip, and the bartender is quite a dish. Green eyes and light brown hair with a killer smile. Castiel thinks he looks familiar, like a memory from a past life, but they’ve definitely never met, because this man is kind.

Now that she is asleep, there is nothing left for me here. Goodbye everyone. Whether you manage to enjoy the finale or not, I truly hope you too, find your peace.

[destielprofoundbond]

I've been preparing for the series finale. And my best comfort item is watching Spn cons. There are some amazing compliations that I've saved specially to veiw after the finale. Some fun edits of J2M some cockles some Mishalecki. Some golden bits from gag reel.

If Dean Sam and Cas are the height of pain then Misha Jensen and Jared are the height of pleasure. Watching those beautiful smiles and pure friendship heal my soul. So just a tip for anyone who's interested, gather up your good stuff for the series finale. It's a small thing but it may help. Whatever helps you. Because for me I know I'm gona break and fall apart. I can already feel pain for my future self. I'm alone and have no one to share, so for me I have to use what I can.

And it's alright. I'm ready to break. Spn and my boys deserve nothing less then absolute love. It was glorious unforgettable 15 years and I'm glad I've found something in life that can effect me so deeply. I know it will take a while for the pain and ache to subside so I can breathe. But for immediate aftermath I've got some stuff to help me through.

In past Destiel crack or Spn crack has been my healing guide but I know I won't be able to see Dean Cas and Sam without crying.. So spn cons and good stuff it is. I get that for some it's a show but for some it will be end of part of their heart. I'm one of those. Know that we are together. I hope all us have strength to find something any rock or pebble to help us through.

[audreyliciousheather]

THAT WAS THE SUPERNATURAL SERIES FINALE!?!?! The 1 Hour Special should've Been Nixed & SPN Should Have Been A 2 Hour PROPERLY DONE Send Off! Not This.

They Literally Screwed Us Loyal Fans & J2M Over BIG TIME 😒 I'm So Mad Right Now! 15 Long Loyal years, Dean has Survived Death Several Times, Hoardes of Monsters, Demons, Angels Even God Himself only to be done in by an Effing Nail killing a lame ass pack of Clown Mask wearing Vamps!? No. Just Noooooo. So Wrong & Disrespectful 😒😒😒😒 This Finale NEEDS To be Redone. PERIOD.

Lets burry and Ignore Dean & Cas' Profound Friendship & Love, Not Show Cas or Jack at all, Jack Could've Brought Dean back & Both Sam & Dean could've Lived Loong & Happy Lives but didn't,

Lets put a dog in the story not to give any follow up to it,

Lets make the Whole Season about being the owner of your own story, Just to have a ridiculous death when you finally get there

Lets put a Random Unknown wife hidden in the shadows,

And obviously

Lets make the worst aging make up tv has ever seen.

Took me 10 years fighting the haters, to finally give up and admit that they were right and 5x22 “Swan Song” was a more satisfactory and emotional ending.

Jensen should Have went With his gut. He Even admitted during an interview That The Ending Did NOT Sit Right with him... He Said Kripke Talked him into it ���

I Wish He Would've Trusted His Gut..!

Wow, I can't Belive they just did that 😟 Us Fans, Jensen, Jared, Misha & Everyone they Killed off Deserved Better Dammit! They Rushed This Finale & it Shows! Rant Over....

[lest-we-be-liars]

Did I just fall in love with a Bucklemming episode?!

YES!!!

I am shocked! SHOOKETH!

It was actually great! Like....I don't know what to think... everything I know is wrong...black is white, up is down....

The Acting!

Chuck always had a weird uncomfortable vibe for me, but he's genuinely starting to give me the willie's. Bravo Rob!

Can we please talk about how well Keith Szarabajka portrayed Donatello being possessed by Chuck? Like, I was blown away. It really felt like Chuck with no trace of the prophet at all. I was more than impressed. Just...ugh....

Ruthie! You goddess, you!

Shoshana, I see you!

J2M, beautiful as always.

But most of all, Jake Motha Effin Abel!!!! I was not excited for this(mostly, because of the writing team) but I'll be damned if the man didn't blow me away! Slipping between two characters like that at such a quick pace is not an easy task, but he nailed it!!! You sir, are fantastic!

The directing!

Dick, you never cease to amaze me. Your episodes are always asthetic wonders. Nothing felt clunky or awkward for me. You are just as good behind the camera as you are in front of it!

The writing itself!

Again. I am shooketh!

It wasn't full of horrible jokes

Two female characters and both of them actually managed to live! Not only that, they were badasses! ( Aside from Eileen being tricked) Neither of them were pathetic damsels in distress! Rowena is actually in a position of power!

There was character development!

It actually flowed!

The dialogue was bearable

No one died! (Well, Lilith...but I mean...they were probably gonna waste that storyline anyway ...)

It didn't bore me to tears or anger me beyond all reason

Canon was still kind of ignored ( Belphagore already told Dean Michael wasn't in the cage anymore, he should have known) but not to the point where it was painful

We finally got some plot development!

Are we sure this was Bucklemming? *Triple checks* yup! SHOOKETH!

The episode itself

Chuck, gambling, like his sister. Okay.

Chuck, going serial killer on every one in the casino. Creepy.

Chuck is actually starting to scare me.

Poor Donatello. He didn't choose the prophet life. Last time he read the tablets, Cas fried his brain crispier than the chicken he was eating. And now God is using him to spy on the guys. His little moment on the phone with Dean while he was seeing all the places Michael was landing had me rolling though. He deserves his bourbon!

Sam being a protective "friend". Sweetie, she's a MOL legacy. She was hunting long before she met you. She's got this. I love it though. It's sweet. He needs to let himself be happy. I want him to be happy damnit! She was brought back for a reason. Don't let Chuck and his crazy ass ruin this for him. Also, free Sam from Chuck! Please and thank you.

Eileen. I love her. I'm glad she's back. I'm sad Chuck used her to trap Sam. Like fuck. Just let them be happy! I know it's supernatural. It's not supposed to be Happy. I know one of the main reasons I love this show is because it doesn't focus solely on romance, but she actually came back! Sam's Dick-O-Death couldn't keep her down. She deserves to stay alive!

ROWENA!!!! I legitimately squeed! I'm not an overly emotional person, but I made a noise so happy when I heard her voice....my dog has been giving me dirty looks ever since. My Goddess! MY QUEEN! The Queen! Of Hell! It's everything she deserves! She has those demons quaking! Not to mention she looks absolutely stunning! And telling Dean and Cas to get their shit together before they die and regret it...

Dean. Encouraging your brother to be happy? Good boy. Admitting you have been in a bad place? Starting a conversation with Cas and showing concern (despite the fact you couldn't look him in the eye)? You genuinely apologized to someone without making it about yourself? Is that character development I'm smelling? So proud. You at least tired to save Adam briefly, and letting him know that you were sorry for what happened to him was a good step. He may not have forgiven you right away, but it was a good step. * Cough* hint*cough*. (Don't get me wrong, they both need to apologise to each other. I'm sick of the snippiness)

Cas! Hunny! I like having the badass he once was slowly leaking back in. Adding the straight up bitch to it is a bonus! "Oh, I'm not here to beg." "You have an entire oak tree shoved up your ass." honestly his whole speech to Micheal was prime sassy Cas! I live! 1 issue: why can he hold his own against and archangel, but demons can kick his ass? And not touching Dean when he healed him? Refusing to look at him? Get over your shit you two! There's a bigger picture here!

Adam. The most well rounded man with Winchester blood.he was locked away for years in Lucifer's cage with every reason to seek revenge and instead he ended up being the voice of reason. He wasn't vengeful or petty....he just wanted food and an apology. Like I have too much to say about him, but I want to focus on the fact that instead of being resentful towards Michael, he made friends with him. like he could have checked out, but he reached out instead. He really is a good man.

Michael. Was not what I expected. I feel sorry for him. Like, yeah he was a little extra, but I can't blame him. He just learned that he was never his father's favorite, that everything he knew was a lie, and everything he's ever fought for is meaningless. I expected him to be big and scary and go evil, and he goes and helps the out instead. I like this Michael. I hope he stays this way. Also again ...his friendship with Adam is refreshing.

Chuck has Sam and I am not okay!

PURGATORY! I always wished they would have made more out of Purgatory! It felt like a wasted opportunity. No maybe a whole ass episode! I have thoughts about what it could mean for Dean, but I will keep them to myself (for now). I'm stoked!

We are finally getting somewhere with this final season!

Over all great episode! 8.9/10. Can't wait until next month!

[msmarvelouswinchester]

General Fics Masterlist

1) Because of Chuck (Sam x Dean)

Summary- Dealing with the Coronavirus the Winchester way. (CRACK-ISH)

2) Pull the Trigger (Sam x Dean)

Summary - There is no happy ending for the Winchester brothers. (ANGST)

3) The Last Day (J2M)

Imagine - The last day on Supernatural set. (FLANGST)

4) Tattoos (J2M)

Summary - Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened (FLANGST)

5) The Sacrifice (Sam x Dean)

Summary - This is the ultimate sacrifice and there is no coming back, no resurrections. This is permanent.(ANGST)

6) Secrets (Sam x Dean)

Summary- Based on the episode Red Meat (ANGST)

7) Words of Wisdom (Sam x Dean)

Summary - Based on the quote 'Keep grinding. No matter how much it hurts, no matter how hard it gets, you gotta keep grinding. And that’s how we’re gonna win' (SELF-HATE, COMFORT)

8) I'll Be There For You (J2)

Summary - It's just a fic of j2 and their remarkable friendship. (COMFORT, SELF-HATE)

9) An Unforgettable Day (Sam x Dean)

Summary - Some dates are too tough to forget. (ANGST)

10) Monster (MoC!Dean)

Summary - Based on the season 10 finale episode (DARK FIC)

11) Apple Pie Life (Sam x Dean)

Summary - Sam and Dean gets zapped into our universe again but this time it reminds them of the life they never had. (FLANGST)

12) A Letter To TFW 2.0

Summary - Words can't express how much supernatural means to me but I at least tried to do some justice (META)

13) The End (Sam x Dean)

Imagine - Just another possible way about how supernatural may end (ANGST)