#fnaf sb ruin theory

[amphiptere-art]

Security breach ruin theory stream.

So the theory stream went pretty well. Labeled out a bunch of options and details for what exactly is happening with the eclipse and the daycare attendant in security breach.

You can watch the stream here. The beginning was a little boring but you can skip ahead to about 30 minutes in where I get blank piece of paper and I actually start talking about the theories. I am not going to go over everything we talked about. But I guess here's the tiny rundown?

First thing first is the daycare attendant actually controlled by the virus? Is moon mad at sun for other reasons? Did it have to do something with the cancellation of nap time? What's the daycare attendant part of the theater? Is eclipse connected to the theater in some way? Is eclipse a nanny program that was added afterwards? Is he somehow a combined version or maybe a separate entity entirely? Is eclipse just the rebooted version of Moon? Is the balloon world arcade game representing Moon taking over the Sun? Or is it supposed to correlate to eclipse? Is the DCA locked to only to the daycare accounted areas or can he go into the atrium and further into the pizza plex? Why did the sun say he needs to be "whole" and yet can single out moon as a separate entity by saying "other me"? What is that sweet boy eclipse!?

And I think that's a quick rundown of every question we dug ourselves into.

I was drawing wild sketches on what we were talking about while we theorized. So you can see those pictures.

The one above is the messy version while the second one is the one I tried to clean up.

Sorry my writing's not good.

[gummywurm-gaming]

Im insane but listen am I onto something?

Both have yellow hair and are white, plus how would Cassie get vannessas old mask? By going through her sisters stuff

[andizoidart]

Spoilers for FNAF SB Ruin, as I’m doing a little bit of theorizing:

So with the alternative suits in the back room of the mimic, I get a very 50s style vibe. “Mother Crow/Mama Bird” as I’m calling her is very reminiscent of a 50s styled housewife, complete with apron and beads/pearls. It was also more common for mascots to be much more fabric-based closer to the 70s. Her style of glasses are called Cateye glasses, which became popular in the 50s and 60s. This can be further emphasized by the fact that she has a glasses chain of beads, which was popularized in the 50s as well. Her hair is also in a Bob, which was very stylized to the 1950s.

Moving onto the Lion suit that the mimic actually wears, the torn suit has a very 50s sock hop-esque look to it. “Letterman Lion” as I’m calling him, only really has one defining outfit quality, a letterman jacket. As the suit is in tatters, it’s much harder to gauge any sort of numbering on it other than the L on the chest. Letterman jackets were originally introduced in the early 1900s, and thus became more popularized as time went on, though its popularity really peaked in the 80s and 90s. The slicked back mane of his hair was also a popular style back then.

Finally, for the “Circus/Clown Elephant”, the outfit on the mascot is extremely reminiscent of 50s circus clowns. The ruffed collar was used much more often in that day and age, as well as the ruffled cuffs on the sleeves and legs. His large clunky shoes are reminiscent of that of a clown. Over all, his pattern is relatively simple.

So to boil all that down, the mimic has been down their for a long time, and I can only assume that those costumes were used in the 50s or 60s, given their stylizations and characteristics. Though I’m sure there’ll be more lore to figure out about them as the storylines continue.

[ayy-lmao0]

Ok so I was searching the internet for a good hour for an answer to this and didn't find shit (though maybe there is one, but I couldn't see every post because I still haven't seen the whole game) until I came up with a possible answer by myself, so I thought that I'd share my thoughts here for some poor souls that are also bothered by this question and don't want to ruin their game experience

So, HOW THE FUCK DOES THE V.A.N.N.I. MASK WORK??

If this question popped up in your head you propably saw at least the beginning of the game and honestly I don't think I'll need anything else in this post

I also saw, that this is not touched upon in the game itself (i saw posts of some people, who did see the whole thing)

Ok anyway to the fucking point, sorry

So when we get the mask, this occipit transponder is, fucking, injected into Cassie's head

The occipital lobe is responsible for visual perception (yk depth, color etc.)

A transponder is used for identifying, detecting and locating obcjects, but for communication (though this isn't that important here I think)

It makes her able to see and communicate with Helpi even outside the mask

But notice how she can only see the glitches AFTER she gets it?

Without it she wouldn't be able to. (Though it can just be a gameplay thing and I'm overthinking this)

But mostly I think it also just, yk, does more than the name and Helpi tell us, since transponders shouldn't really work on fucking PHYSICAL stuff, like, walking through walls, right?

Well, this shit happens in the future (and in another universe, but who cares) so this chip propably just transports you into the AR world, when combined with the mask. You don't just see it, you ARE there. At least partly. That's why you can touch stuff, that is only from that place.

And partly, because, well, you still are visible in the real world. For example gregory still saw Vanny, right? Freddy didn't, propably because of the mask sending a signal or something yadda yadda (holy shit I'm sick of this word 💀), but she was making Gregory's vision glitch, because she wasn't 100% here. She was in the AR world at the same time (again, it could also i just be a representation of that and Greg didn't really see it, but idk, that motherfucker propably does send some waves that affect our meat jelly when in use)

Anyway, this whole "ar" thing is just actually VR premium

Tldr; this chip Cassie gets injected into her head partly transports her into the AR world and lets her go through walls

Sprey for my incoherent babbling and total lack of capacity to explain things clearly I hope this helps in any way 💀

[skynights2]

Bonnie detail update

can see this rabbit is blue, with highlighted pink/green, he also has glam rock shoulder pad detail as well.

Interesting enough, the drawing is in highlighted pink for glamrock bonnie in sb. so did the worker know he had night mode/with bright pink highlights that glowed!?

Also nose, and jaw line, head shape in drawing look to match up with blue rabbit seen in the trailer.

Possible bonnie ai survived, after he was decommissioned!?  possible he will be used to counter glitchtrap in the game? as glitchtrap is yellow, where this rabbit seen above is blue with pink/green highlights. 

maybe his ai helps hack the other robots/when cassidy put it on the other vanny mask seen in the trailer.

update: clue to bonnie ai being freed!?

I always found this weird detail in princess quest 3, bonnie stage had star theme and possible stairs on the right, covered by the curtains, which line up with princess quest stage with star curtains. Note  the sign is in the center on bonnie stage, which lines up with the key holder in the center in princess quest 3...

plus the stage has the same circle designs on the bottom layout of it.

and once you get to the door open, we hear a scream before Vanessa is freed, or did she also free bonnie Ai as well, within the mask(that matches the new trailer)

meaning more clue to bonnie and her where trapped. 

the website also shows similar message lined up with princess quest game as well.

when hover mouse over the purple/green logo get the message

purple: voices becoming screams (when Vanessa freed herself, and also someone else...bonnie!? why he tied to the same mask Vanessa picked up in the game, and we see Cassidy wearing it.

Green: Shadows within shadows  where Vanessa and Bonnie where trapped.

Also interesting, the blue bonnie seem similar to shadow bonnie, since he would shut the game down when encounter him, showing glitch effect. interesting new blue rabbit having similarity to shadow bonnie/glitching.

[chillisreal]

Everytime I rewatch a playthrough I see something new.. I'm gonna do what I rarely ever do and make a theory! Watch me screw it up so bad lmao.

Spoilers for the FNAF ruin dlc and the endings!

I will likely edit back with some screenshots and stuff for reference but for now it's just text.

1. Glamrock Freddy in the Fazer blast... Is not the same glamrock Freddy from the original game. As it is labeled on its foot, it's just a prototype. And maybe your wondering "well what if Freddy was a prototype?" Id like to direct you to the scene where we find glamrock Freddy damaged in the original game. He's on the floor, clearly malfunctioning.. and there is very clearly no prototype label on him. ERGO, ruin Freddy is not our freddy.

2. "Gregory is evil, ohhh Gregory is good" yada yada calm down everybody! Not only do his alignments have yet to be confirmed (though I'm pretty sure he's a good lad), there's multiple things to consider regarding the endings!

On the main ending that is achieved in the dlc.. I'm very certain that it was the mimic that drops the elevator, because as some other people have pointed out, as Gregory is explaining what Cassie just released, he somehow interrupts himself off after a seemingly short cut off in the speaker. And speaks as if he is on some sort of stealth mission. He may seem to be not as empathetic as Cassie and we don't know that much about their relationship, but judging from in game imagery and evidence I'm pretty certain that he wouldn't be that willing to cross her out like that!

Along with the "we can't risk being followed" line. It just doesn't make sense to me, if he was worried about being followed, wouldn't he have tried to leave Freddy behind if we're following the burntrap ending? Also why would he be worried about being followed, Gregory's a bad ass boy and would probably just beat the hell out of whatever tries to crawl out of the wreck after him. I think it's just the mimic changing its mind about killing Cassie itself, and just decided to give her a taste of the situation it was stuck in. All while breaking her hope and trust with that final line, hopefully making her loose motivation to keep trying.

And im not finished even after all that! How would Gregory even control the elevator if he's not at the pizzaplex? I doubt he has a way to do it from wherever he is.

And with the theory of the mimic controlling certain parts of the pizzaplex growing in popularity with the evidence in the books we've gotten, I once again would like to say that the mimic was most likely the cause of the elevator drop.

That's all I've got for now.. maybe I'll add more to it later.

[thebearme]

FNAF RUIN DOODLES

[missingkeyy]

WITH COLORS!!! yayyy 💕

[local-diavolo-anon]

i apologise if i'm posting this much about the DLC but i am very excited

so theory time! this time about Glamrock Bonnie!

someone found Glamrock Bonnie in bonnie bowl and someonw else got his pieces from the gamefiles and stuck the model back together (the images are not mine, i have no idea who even psoted them ebcause they've been reposted a crapload of times, but i know the originals came from twitter)

i feel a bit sad than logically he was there the whole time during the main game as well and we simply couldn't see him

but also: He has claw marks on his chest, which i think pretty much confirms that monty is the one that broke him apart.

however. that's not nearly enough damage to decommission a glamrock animatronic, as we have seen.

hell monty looks like this in the dlc and he is still kicking (probably by the power of god tho) and i remember seeing THIS video some time ago, so let me bring you something a bit painful:

most people i've seen pinpoin monty's actions toward bonnie as envy and resentment, however in monty golfs whenever we see character cutouts or holograms Freddy is the one in the shadows, always. wouldn't have made it more sense for monty to try and attack someone he quite clearly disliked instead of bonnie? we know freddy and bonnie were close, so with some stretch you could even say monty was jealous of freddy's relationship with bonnie (but i'm not going to account that here) If the theory from that video is true and bonnie was the first and only trial test of the grlitchtrap virus on a full glamrock animatronic, what if monty noticed? what if monty saw that bonnie was acting weird, and when confronted him realized something was severely wong for a reason or another? and either to prevent the spread of the virus, OR simply out of self preservation he was forced to fight with bonnie? because if the mimic were to see someone noticed him, he'd likely try and make them disappear in one way or another so my theory-timeline is: Bonnie was infected, started acting weird, wandered around and ultimately ended in monty golf, monty saw him and went to him, then noticed something was wrong, bonnie attacked him to make sure nobody knew, and monty had to defend himself.

i'm fairly sure this is at least somewhat correct because Monty's claws can do some serious damage, and definitely more than what Bonnie's torso and head show. (edit: yes even without upgrade, Monty still has very big and sharp claws, realistically they could totally do that amount of damage, + in the original draft of the game, from Monty you were supposed to take his legs, and the claw upgrade was not a thing at all, yet it was always hinted he did caused bonnie's decommission)

all of this to say that bonnie more likely was decommissioned not because of the damage, but rather because because when technicians tried to fix him they noticed something had infected him, and to prevent any further spreading they were forced to deactivate him.

[dasketcherz]

here's an observation I noticed;

When it's the grimic talking to Cassie, it's always about him/it—it's always "me me me" ("you have to find ME" "don't stop looking for ME" "save ME Cassie please" "deactivate roxy and save ME" "You saved ME") and never once asked Cassie if she's okay and whatnot

But when it's the real Gregory, all his lines is always expressing his attention to Cassie's well-being ("Cassie are YOU there?" "Cassie is that YOU?" "I've been trying to reach YOU all night!" "Cassie YOU need to get out of there!")

And in the elevator scene—the greg lines are making it all bout "him" again ("I know you did it for ME, to save ME")—exactly like the previous talking patterns grimic has been spewing throughout the whole game to lure Cassie in the basement

ALSO, the way he said "it's been trapped down HERE" instead of "down THERE" could be a hint that was indeed the mimic, it could have slipped and made an error of wording that sentence (cuz technically it is still down here,, standing by the elevator) because the real Gregory just literally said he's not at the pizzaplex moments ago so that's some discrepancy right there, the grammar is not grammaring in the context of the situation at hand

Just something I noticed

[amphiptere-art]

Hey guys. Who wants to go on a stream and make wild DCA theories?

With all the new information I ruin I kind of want to just go wild and basically lay out a bunch of details.

We don't have to actually make any theories. Just list out a bunch of information that could lead into some theories.

Questions like who is eclipse? Is the eclipse in the arcade machine different? Has moon always been mean and infected or otherwise? Whys Sun so normal throughout all this? Just making a list of questions and or information.

Go to the discord to get an notification when I start.

I will note that I'm not talking about the Sun and Moon show. I'm talking about standard security breach Sun and Moon. Perhaps later in this stream if we've run out of juice we can talk about them but I just want to focus on the Sun, Moon and Eclipse.

[emdotcom]

Yeah, so while I was on my "I'm going to read into Vanny/Vanessa as much as possible" journey, I noticed an odd quirk in her animations in how she moves. At first, I thought it reminded me of a ballerina, 'cause she's kinda tip-toeing, & she has this way of keeping her head & chest in one place as she moves, but I looked again & realized --

That's not ballet! She's doing a tight-rope act. Like, look at this one:

This is like standing up on the wooden boards before you do the actual tight-rope walking, & the ring leader is hyping you up as you do some fun movement for the crowds. &, then, these:

These are all instances where she walks with one foot directly in front of the other. In that third, she's doing the "woaaah" wiggly-ass balance movements & everything, as if she's swaying up at the top of the tent, even though she's down on solid ground.

Idk, I feel like the way her feet are placed isn't accurate (pretty sure they should be pointed left & right, not both forwards...) doesn't make this 100% correct, but I like it. It also connects back with her first SB teaser, wherein she's up in the rafters.

[an-archaic-archivist]

Is the Mimic Glitchtrap/Burntrap? Evidence master post

This is a group of 21 slides a friend of mine made gathering all the evidence that the Mimic was always intended to be Glitchtrap/Burntrap.

[paradoxicwashere]

Alright theory time

It's a pretty poplar interpretation that at this point in the dialogue, Gregory's overridden and the Mimic reclaims control of the speakers (Regardless of how either of them are somehow accessing the speaker system)

But the thing that bugs me about this is: why? Why does the Mimic try to trick Cassie into believing that Gregory betrayed her if he's just gonna try and kill her with the elevator drop anyway.

Option 1 is the Mimic isn't trying to kill her, kinda trying to Mother Gothel his way into keeping Cassie on his side by making her think Gregory betrayed her

Or Option 2: The mimic is completely delusional things Cassie is on his side and here's how we can interpret what he's saying to support that, because so far afaik (in Ruin at least) he can only communicate through other people's voices, so he *has* to sound like Gregory

'It's not you're fault, I know you did it for me'

The Mimic knows Cassie was trying to save him, she did all of this for him. It was that bastard Gregory who trapped him here in the first place that is trying to take Cassie away.

"But we can't risk being followed"

Cassie and the Mimic are a team now, right? But if that elevator makes it to the top, Gregory could come back down and ruin everything again - So 'We' as in Mimic and Cassie, can't be followed - and the Mimic is sorry that they're going to hurt their new friend.

Obviously this is all completely speculative and relies on my lack of knowledge of how mimic acts in the books *but* it also does make some sense and solves my personal gripe with Grimic Elevator theory.

One final note, Mimic was no longer being held back by Roxy, so when we here 'Roxy' say Cassie's name in the credits, there's an unfortunate chance that's just the Mimic trying to win Cassie over again.

[skynights2]

Bonnie AI is M.X.E.S clues

So let get to the first clue. On how Bonnie became a lanky digital ghost!? Darn i wish he had voice actor or other option where work with him, instead of the bad ending.....

Cassie mention her father had faz wrench, and that Bonnie was her dad favorite. He never told her what happen to Bonnie when bonnie went missing as Cassie mentions.

So this clue us her dad works for the pizzaplex, and if he kept quite he was probably order to keep silent! If they where order to reuse Bonnie AI elsewhere in the new security after his body was destroyed. Or could be her father found out what happen and suggested bonnie be reused(as fan of bonnie) Because it is noted fazbear company was rebranding Monty as the new band member over bonnie when he went missing.

They even made cut outs revealing Bonnie stepping down for Monty to be on the main band team.....

So that would mean Bonnie was reused elsewhere.....

clue 2 note the colors in VR World

Bonnie is light blue color, and has pink ear ring on his ear. it noted bonnie mirror is light blue but switches to light pink in VR

The M.X.E.S nodes are also the same light blue color as glamrock bonnie when deactivated and glow pink/red as the mirror in bonnie room.

And again with the first clues as mention. The faz wrench is needed to deactivate the M.X.E.S nodes, and eventually lead the player to M.X.E.S security room all the way down below the pizza plex.

Also note glamrock Bonnie shoulder pads/leg have the same dark purple/blue as M.X.E.S rabbit and the same bent ears as Bonnie!

Also in the bowling area in VR bonnie image is shown with blank white eyes/glitch effect across his pupils. where his dead body his eyes glow yellow(reference to his his lost glasses perhaps)

Also note glamrock bonnie had red eyes, and in the VR we see animatronic eye with red eyes staring back at us.....

In the daycare we can find a drawing of angry Bonnie without his glasses....you know i am wondering if Monty stole his glasses which led up to bonnie going to monty area which resulted in his death!? This looks like sun must drawn it.....or moon security mode saw the aftermath.

Also sun singing mentions googly eyes just stare....could he mean Bonnie!?? either vr red eyes, or bonnie floating eyes/new look as M.X.E.S!?

For now leave it here.

Since Cassie story hints/links her father with the faz wrench which deactivates the M.X.E.S nodes and opens the locked doors.And he was a big bonnie fan, and ruin dlc shows us/leaves us more clue to Bonnie

perhaps sequel dlc we can finally meet him. If Gregory comes back for Cassie and also Freddy meeting his lost best friend, now as M.X.E.S

Bonus detail

is this what killed/clawed bonnie original body!?

not sure who claw this is......if anyone knows let me know.e

[thebearme]

M.X.E.S found you, Cassie.