#failtopia joker

[littengamer909]

Hey, hope you're having a lovely day/ evening!

If I may ask about your AU once more, who do you envision being the best/ worst students academically out of the main cast?

Of course you can ask!

I’d say that the best student is Friend or Bill, as both are hardworking and proactive, but Shrimp is up there too (she’s the type to ace honors biology, unlike me lol).

The worst are definitely Piranhyawn and Deko. Both are major slackers.

Joker is the type of student to bite off more than he can chew - like, he’d take an AP class without knowing what he’s signing up for (totally not projecting here, not like i was unaware of the 15 page essay i had to write for ap lang)

[gnomey22]

Any headcanons you have regarding the season one Miis? Smuk, Simple Bob, etc.?

I'll do one for every S1-exclusive party member.

Simple Bob got his nickname from exclusively using the basic warrior techniques in his demon hunts, which he had mastered, but would not be very efficient in an RPG combat system, hence why he starts out at Level 1 at the beginning of the adventure.

Smuk is half-ogre, and lived in a swamp house with his parents until he was eighteen. Once he learned how, he did most of the cooking for his family, which propelled him into becoming a chef, and having a childlike curiosity about exploring the culinary arts in battle.

Deko was born with the name Izuku Midoriya, but due to his whole "not having a Quirk" thing, he tossed out that name as soon as he signed up for the lab experiment that turned him into an imp. He chose his new name based on his project name: DEK-0.

Lanc barely ever wore the wigs that came with their outfits, because they felt unnecessarily limiting, and since they're free from their dad's castle for once in their life, the last thing they want to feel like, is limited. They still used one for the finale, to "look professional".

Rose, after fully embracing her theft of Rosalina's identity post-S1, mothered the Lumas for about a year, until the real Rosalina won custody back. She did not enjoy the experience, and is terrified upon finding out her ex-boyfriend apparently has a daughter.

Pirahnyawn did, in fact, list Rose as Petunyawn's godmother on his will, but since he didn't remember her surname, "Rose" is all it reads, which isn't too helpful. He mainly did it to spite her for the breakup, but also because he knows no-one else with parenting experience.

Joker isn't actually Joker from Persona 5. He is a completely different guy named Ren Amamiya, who happens to look similar to Joker, so when he decided to infiltrate the party to make sure they continued buying from his family's shop, he used Joker as his disguise.

[rosetheocto]

i feel like everyone here should have the knowledge that since time in Failtopia moves with our time, that every character is currently 3 years older than they were in S2, which took place in 2021.

this means that since Dan confirmed Chi is 18 years old in S2, that Chi is 21 now.

Chin Kid Failboat Miitopia can legally drink.

[gnomey22]

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[gnomey22]

The Realms of the Fey

As in, the two renditions of the Realm of the Fey arc within Failtopia. I have opinions on them.

In Season 1, it lives up to pretty much exactly what you'd expect from the worst area of the game. The Fab Fairies are great, and Rose is a likeable character (until her corruption arc, but that doesn't happen until later). That's about all this arc has going for it. The team dynamic is literally just "Stop quarrelling with the damn flower -> stop dating the damn flower -> the damn flower -> Joker, who barely exists." and it's really difficult to get invested in. Rose just being some normal bitch who got in way over her head in an identity theft scheme and not knowing what to do about it is a very fun idea for a character, and although it could've been expanded upon further, her descent into believing in her own power too much is quite interesting, even if it kind of destroys her general likeableness. Pirahnyawn is the resident healer, but he doesn't give two shits about the party he's stuck with for the foreseeable future, so he intentionally does a terrible job, fights with Failboat constantly, and has a very flimsy relationship with Rose. He's a fairly well-written character, but he's a complete asshole, and it's hard to buy him having any genuine friendships across the team. Unlike Erica, he never grows out of his distaste, because he never had any hope in working together like she did. Joker isn't even a character, he's a one-off joke that had to be kept around until the end of the series without doing anything, and I hate that for him, he deserved better. This arc has some good writing, but it's hard to get into when all of the characters are 1: terrible people or 2: even a character.

In Season 2, this arc blows my expectations out of the water and becomes my favourite of the six! (By which I mean, both Greenhornes, both Neksdors, and both Realms of the Fey.) Bo is a direct parallel to Rose, but her character goes down a wholly different path with the "cautiously hiding her true self behind the Princess class" gimmick, and the ghost-assassin thing adds a whole new layer that makes for great interactions with the actually-already-likeable protagonist! Chat is literally just a self-insert for the live chat of all things, but their drive to make every situation more fun and interesting, while having zero boundaries or self-awareness of how they come across, makes them an actually compelling character, and their constant support of Bo is what leads her down a better path than Rose, who only had Pirahnyawn for support, and he never really showed his care for her that much. Chat, in complete contrast, shows it too much, although through dangerous means, while Bo struggles to show anything about herself. Chat's idolisation of her prompts her to open up, just slightly, and their friendship allows her a safety net in case her other attempts at friendship go wrong. Ironically, she actually feels safer because of Chat's influence. Her and Mar trying their best to keep Chat under control while sustaining their weird needs makes for an actually entertaining trio dynamic, and that's not even talking about Bill. His drive to help anyone and anything with the limited resources he has, taking every situation with a brighter perspective while still remaining relatively calm and reasonable, is great at making him stick out from the rest of the team (something he's all too used to, a driving factor in why he tries so hard to bring everyone closer together), but plays very well off of the other members when they do interact with him. Joker, meanwhile, has zero defining character traits to speak of, and never feels involved with the rest of the team's constant bickering. Admittedly, the Fab Faires are worse than Season 1, but Mar learning to deal with their horrifying faces, despite his instinct to cast judgement due to his past, is nice to see.

I'm tempted to label this an analysis, but it's really not, these are just sleep-deprived ramblings because I don't think I've been posting enough on this site. My point is, Pirahnyawn is a bad person, and the second Realm of the Fey arc needs so much more appreciation.

[gnomey22]

Failtopia Soulmate AU

Specifically, a soulmark AU.

There are 15 types of generalised soulmarks in Miitopia, one for each of the Jobs (each one's respective weapon) and an extra one if your soulmate is Jobless (a reassuring smile). However, around 1 in 16 people will be so thoroughly connected to a concept, that it overrides their Job or lack thereof, and gives their soulmate a unique mark.

There are also multiple types of soulmate: the obvious romantic one, the slightly-less-obvious platonic one, and even a soulnemesis if you get unlucky enough. Most people only have one, but two isn't uncommon, and three isn't impossible.

The marks appear on your soulmate's arm the moment you are born. If your soulmate is older, you will already have the mark for them.

Now, let's go through what marks each party member gets in this.

Failboat: A cannon, representing Chat as their platonic soulmate. Up until Season 2, he was expecting it to be a soulnemesis, so getting thousands-of-children-in-one forcefully handed to him by the universe took a lot of getting used to, but better than he imagined.

Simple Bob: A frying pan and a fan, representing Smuk and Rose as his soulmates. Platonically? Romantically? He still doesn't know, but he's 100% confident that it's those two, either way, they mean a lot to him.

Smuk: A sword and a fan, representing Bob and Rose. He knows the Rose one is romantic, they've been dating for a while now, but he's still undecided on Bob. He's fairly confident in platonic, but Rose herself has raised the possibility of the other option.

Erica: A bat, representing Bo as her romantic soulmate. She didn't know it means Bo until her Vampire transformation, but the ghost thing is her only lead on who the bat could possibly mean, so she allowed herself to develop a crush.

Deko: A dagger, representing Joker as his soulmate. Unclear on romantic or platonic, but he doesn't really care anymore, because Joker disappeared into thin air after Season 1 ended. He misses him, but he refuses to admit it.

Chi: A beaker, representing Lanc as her romantic soulmate. She knew it was her from the moment they met, there was hardly any question of that, but it took a while for her to realise it was romantic instead of platonic, even with her long-lasting crush on the Scientist.

Lanc: A fire, representing Chi. This is a unique mark. Her father was very concerned about the implications of the fire for years, but as soon as she found out about Chi's fire obsession, she knew that her dad was wrong to doubt her.

Rose: A sword and a frying pan, representing Bob and Smuk. She covered up her marks with gloves to avoid spoilers, which worked in favour of her Rosalina disguise, but ended up painting Pirahnyawn as her soulmate. Thanks to her real soulmates, she knows better now.

Pirahnyawn: A dagger, but he died before meeting his soulmate, so he never knew what it represented.

Joker: A spear, representing Deko as his soulmate. He still wonders if it was platonic or romantic, but he's settled back into his old life after the events of Season 1, so he doesn't feel like he can return to check. Maybe he will someday, if he ever figures out Deko's location.

Mar: A sword, representing Orion as his romantic soulmate. He had a feeling it was romantic the moment they started flirting at the café, but Orion seemed convinced it was platonic, so he let it go for a while. After Season 2, they finally figured it out.

Orion: A bat, a frying pan, and a smile, representing his wife and Mar as his romantic soulmates, and the GUNie as his soulnemesis. Common belief with three soulmarks is that you'll get one of each type of soulmate, hence why he wrongly thought Mar was platonic.

Friend: A smile, which they've gone back and forth on whether it means Lee or not. They first thought he was a platonic soulmate, then a soulnemesis, but now they like to think their soulmate is the concept of bringing people smiles with healing and therapy.

Shrimp: A wand, representing Big Bill as her platonic soulmate. She didn't immediately think it was a platonic mark, or that it even referred to Bill, but everything made sense once he multiclassed, and she was far from disappointed.

Bo: A sword, representing Erica as her romantic soulmate. She had a strong feeling it was Erica as early as the garden outing, but she didn't know she was counted as a Vampire and not a Princess, so she was thrown off by the marks mismatching, until her transformation.

Chat: A claw, representing Failboat as their platonic soulmate. They knew from the start that it was him, and the platonic nature of the mark, so they didn't relent on their search for their father until they finally caught up to him in Karkaton, and latched onto him quickly.

Big Bill: A microphone, representing Shrimp as his platonic soulmate. He knew it was Shrimp the first time he caught sight of her. He was a little confused when their marks mismatched at first, but even if he was wrong on the soulmate thing, he wouldn't regret helping her.

[gnomey22]

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You know, I put a lot of effort into the composition of these things, keeping them easy on the eyes at a glance, making sure I use every character enough, et cetera. I wonder if anyone notices.

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[littengamer909]

The Failtopia High School AU

I think it's high time I actually posted about this au!

It's exactly what it sounds like: I put everyone in high school!

The grades are as follows:

Freshmen (9th Grade): Shrimp, Chat

Sophomores (10th Grade): Chi, Lanc, Deko, Joker, Big Bill

Juniors (11th Grade): Erica, Failboat, Friend, Rose, Pirahnyawn, Bo

Seniors (12th Grade): Orion, Mar, Simple Bob, Smuk

Bonus: Petunyawn and Slapo are both in middle school (7th grade, to be precise)

The AU still takes place in Miitopia, so everyone is still whatever variety of nonhuman they originally are, but Chat and Friend look a lot more humanoid.

Most of them are band kids (and I will post what sections they're in eventually, or sooner if someone asks about them!). Kronkui is the band director, because I think that's the closest think high school has to a god (trust me, I'm a band kid, I would know).

Relationships: Lee in this AU is Friend's ex who goes to a different school, Rose and Pirahnyawn have the most superficial and strained relationship you've ever seen, Chi and Lanc are in that limbo of are-we-friends-or-are-we-dating, and Erica and Bo definitely like each other but nobody has made a move yet.

Other trivia: The school is called Greenhorn High and the mascot is the Banshees!

PLEASE ask me about this au i REALLY want to tell people more about it

[gnomey22]

Failtopia Full Name Headcanons

Canon Kind Of Canon Made The Fuck Up Secret Additional Option

Daniel Failboat Robert "Simple Bob" Thompson Smuk Nightwerke Erica Claire / Erica Terra DEK-0, formerly Izuku Midoriya Chin "Chi" Kid Lanc Caurde Rose Alina Pirahnyawn Ren "Joker" Amamiya Mar Marr Orion Oopsie Friend Shrimp Gill Bo Chat Failboat William "Big Bill" Gargan

Explanations below the cut:

I've heard that Daniel Failboat is what C!Fail's canon name is, but it's never mentioned in Failtopia specifically, and he's never once called Daniel, but I'll roll with it

Bob should have a basic-ass surname, I think Thompson fits

Nightwerke is a combination of "Dreamworks", because Shrek, and "nightmare", because dreams, and misspelled to match with Smuk

Erica Claire is the name she has in FHBM, but before that, I came up with Erica Terra, for a similar thematic reason. Claire is based off "Erica Clerica", and Terra is based off "Erica Terrorca"

DEK-0 is a headcanon I've mentioned before, that he got his new name from his experiment label. As for the Midoriya thing, that would logically have to have been his name, though it's never stated

Her full name is Chin Kid, and she goes by Chi, that much is entirely canon, though it isn't clear if "Kid" is a surname, or an extension of her first name

Caurde is based off of Kaard, a Deltarune surname (though unrelated to Lancer). Both are intentional misspellings of "card." I did not come up with this one

Rose Alina sounds like Rosalina. That's why everyone makes the mistake. I also did not come up with this one

Petunyawn having the "yawn" naming convention implies that the Yawn family doesn't have an actual surname, it's just an extension of their first

Same as with Deko but even moreso, this is just what would logically be the case in the lore

It's like Mario Mario, is the joke. I didn't come up with the idea, but I did add the second r myself

Literally just canon, I have nothing to add

I mean, that is what we know of their name in canon. We don't know if she has a surname, my headcanon is that he doesn't

Again, literally in the text of the series

Same as with Friend, but I do like to headcanon that she eventually takes Erica's surname, whatever it is

If we roll with the idea that Failboat is C!Fail's surname, and that he adopts Chat, this is what would happen. But neither of those are fully canon, as far as I'm aware, and this obviously isn't either

Gargan is based off the word "gargantuan". Because he's big

For most the characters I headcanon as trans, I guess they should technically have deadnames, but I'm not too fond of coming up with them, so I just won't

[gnomey22]

Failtopia Age Headcanons

It's my birthday today, so I thought I'd post a little something along those lines to celebrate. I would do birthday headcanons for everyone, but those are really hard to come up with, so I'll go for something I can come up with in, like, ten seconds instead.

Specificially because the entirety of The Incident has a canon age range in S2, if not an actual age, such as Failboat (23/26), Erica (22/25), Chi (15/18), Bill (18), Shrimp (14), and Chat (mentally 12).

Aside from that, let's go down the list, in the usual order:

Simple Bob reads as a little older than Fail or Erica to me, but still not quite at his 30s, so I'll go with 28. Same with Smuk, but not to the same degree, so let's say 26.

Deko is 16, only slightly older than Chi, and Lanc is 15, the same as her, ties into how Deko wants to seem older and more mature than them, but is actually on pretty much the same level.

Rose is 23, about the same age as Erica, but similar to Deko, a single year up on her that she can brag about.

Pirahnyawn is complicated, because of everything Daniel Failboat said in post-game about plants aging faster, and how he's actually an old man on his deathbed after the timeskip, but I'm just going to assume that's not canon yet, and that the timeskip where he's on his deathbed is a more reasonable gap, but plants should still age differently to account for Petunyawn, so. I don't know. How about, plants age way faster for their first few years of life, but age at a human pace after that? So, he's been alive for around 22 years, but his actual age is around 28. Yeah, that makes enough sense.

Joker's age in Persona 5 is 16, and he should probably be about the same age as Deko, so I'll just stick with that.

We know Mar is mentally in his 40s, but I'll stick with 40 itself for my headcanons, because I don't see him as being that much older than the rest of the adults, but not that much younger than Orion either.

And speaking of, we know Orion's in his 50s or 60s, but I think I'll stick with 51 specifically. This is the only age I actually tried to calculate, to some degree - Slapo is seven years old, and is Orion's biological daughter, which means he isn't likely to be any older than his early fifties, in order for that to even be possible. Assuming his wife was around his age, she couldn't have had Slapo later than, like, 43, so add seven or eight to that, and you may have Orion's age.

In my personal opinion, Friend's been alive for around two hundred years, but for a specific number, I'll go with 243, first number that popped into my head. They're definitely not keeping count, though.

Another personal opinion of mine is that Bo has been "alive" for around three hundred years. For the numbers, she's physically 339, and mentally 25, with 314 years between her death and rebirth.

And that's the list, I think. Feel free to reblog with thoughts of your own, if you so wish!

[rosetheocto]

Hey! If you'd be open to it, I was interested in hearing your thoughts on any Failtopia pairings that you particularly enjoy and the reasons you do? Whether they be platonic or romantic-

YESSSS I HAVE AN EXCUSE TO YAP ABOUT CHARACTER INTERACTIONS YWUAJSJEJJEJR!!! OKAY!! So idk how put together this is since there is a mix of my typing when I’m super tired + typing when I just woke up so I’m praying that what I’m saying makes sense LMAO. TLDR: I really like failtopia’s characters

So starting off with what is probably the most popular dynamic in this series: Bo and Erica!! To say they’ve both Gone Through It is an understatement, and them both finding comfort and safety in each other is amazing to me!! Like. Erica’s had so many people die on her and the reaction to finding out that was nearly impossible to lose Bo was just. Flawless. Can’t believe Dan improvised that. And Bo was sent to just kill Mar and work for Screamith but Erica was pretty much the start to her letting her true self shine and developing an actual attachment to The Incident!! It’s so awesome how Dan has wrote them. we love our gay level 6 “friendship” girlbosses ‼️‼️

Mar and Orion have also gone through a handful of things before the series begins, and the relationship they develop as the series progresses is pretty dang interesting! as much as the fandom focus on EriBo as a romantic thing, more people need to talk about how Mar has explicitly shown he has a crush on Orion. MULTIPLE TIMES. The idea of Orion opening up to Mar after he lost his wife and Mar opening up to Orion after his time as the Dark Curse and AGGHH I love these two so much and the way they interact every time they’re on screen is amazing. old man yaoi

I imagine C!Failboat and Erica as exes. like they dated for like a week and were both mutually like “that was awful let’s just stay friends”, They had a bunch of small interactions together (especially in S1) and I like them being friendly towards each other, Erica finding a friend in C!Fail was a pretty good step for her arc! I also think the idea of C!Fail and Erica being childhood friends in non-Miitopia AUs very intriguing!! Any content of those two interacting (that isn’t romantic) is always a nice thing to see!

Taking a break from the more popular relationships/friendships in this series, we have Deko and Joker!! For two characters that barely interact in canon there’s a lot you can do with them! They’re just two anime boys trying to survive in this weird party. I have a lot of thoughts on them but I just can’t form it aghahajsjjs but the main one is that they aren’t alone in what they’re going through, and no matter what backstory you use for Joker it still has a lot of potential!! I’m sure people can explain this one better than I can I just really like this rarepair!! while on the topic of Joker, shoutouts to his friendship with Lanc!! You can’t convince me Joker didn’t have a crush on them. Just watch their interactions in Karkaton and you’ll probably get what I mean lmaoo

I just need to mention the sisters!! even if they aren’t sisters by blood, Chi and Erica both have the energy! Chi being the thing that really gets Erica out of her “I hate everything” phase in both seasons needs to be talked about more. They bring out the best in each other I swear,, again I promise I can talk about them more my brain just isn’t giving me the words rn, but I think Gnome explains it best!

While on sibling dynamics, Bill and Shrimp is so great to me. Like. Bill helping Shrimp out not only because he likes her music, but also out of the genuine kindness of his heart is so sweet to me!! They’re so nice every time they’re on screen together and it’s fun to see them battling by each other’s sides!! plus the matching outfits in the finale was also a great touch :]

I’ve mentioned these two before, but Bill and Chi are criminally underrated imo. Like. They’re the only members of the Incident who have just recently turned 18, Chi’s literally Bill’s mentor after he changed jobs, and their dynamic is just so fun to work with!! Bill’s more mature and ‘normal’ while Chi is Chi and will set things on fire For Science and I think scenarios where they’re together are really fun to come up with!! Same with Shrimp and Chi!! The sister dynamic they have is also super underrated, like they’re a Fire and Water duo!! I think there’s a lot of things you can do there :0

look I am more than aware these two have never interacted but that’s cuz Dan is a COWARD and knows that Bo and Lanc being in the same room would lead to so much mayhem lmaoo. Out of everyone in The Incident (apart from Chi obviously) I see Lanc getting along with Bo the best! a lot of stuff I have for them is pretty based on fanon but you can’t tell me they wouldn’t gossip about the lastest drama with the party and the outside world. I swear they’re besties, they relate to each other, just hear me out. I also think Rose and Bo can be great friends and they really have a LOT in common!! Princess who faked their whole identity gang ‼️‼️

I love Erica and Rose just being each other’s biggest hater, it’s my favorite thing ever. it’s canon that Rose only shows off for Erica to prove to her that she’s better than her and that’s amazing to me. They’re both just so done with each other lmaoo (also the headcanon of them each other’s gay awakenings is perfect)

I think Friend and Mar interactions could be cool!! Like for starters they had some pretty huge connections to Hank they could bond over. also I find Mar being canonically a demon mixed with the headcanon of Friend being an angel very fun!! I also think Friend and Erica could be fun to see, especially with Erica’s past as a Cleric!! shared jobs and trauma!!

Mar and literally any FailFleet member can be funny I think, like we already have the Neksdor Three obviously, but I think an ACTUAL Bob and Mar reunion will lead to someone getting beat up lol, everyone in the S1 Squad would all have very different view points on if Mar deserves to be forgiven or not, or if he’s a good leader, etc. and I think that there should be more done with that!!

Orion’s friendship with the rest of The Incident is also a very important part of why the party is the way it is!! There’s absolutely characters with awful relationships to their dads, fathers that are barely around, or just never had a parental figure at all. I LOVE that Orion was able to fill that void for those party members, and he does a damn good job at it too!! And of course the parallels he has with Erica is great, both are stubborn warriors with a lot of baggage, but also have a lot of differences, like their views on stuff like becoming a healer!! Orion being like a mentor to Erica is great. also shoutouts to Slapo, we love her. I think her interacting with other members of The Incident is also something that’s needed more!!

Speaking of fathers, scenes with Chat and C!Fail are downright hilarious! Chat’s insanity mixed with C!Fail’s attitude always leads to some crazy thing going down! Chat with anyone really is always a treat, since they’re way more than too much to handle most of the time, and seeing how everyone reacts to their shenanigans is always gonna be fun!!

Smuk, Rose, and Bob’s relationship is just perfection. Bob obviously crushing on Rose is so great to see when they have scenes together and Smuk basically proposing to Rose (but not really) with that ring is also cool!! And of course we gotta mention Smuk and Bob’s bromance in Greenhorne, those two were inseparable a lot of the time I swear, I love them a lot, I’m praying if we get S3 we have those three come back (along with Petunyawn)

Deko’s friendship with both Chi and Lanc is vital to his arc!! Similar to Erica, he had gone through quite a lot before S1 and traveling with them got him to warm up to them and helped him get better control of his powers!! Lanc and Chi being absolute goofsters while Deko has no energy is VERY amusing!! also Deko, someone who was experimented on, being paired up with two soon-to-be scientists is vile lmaoo, why do you do this Dan /pos

SPEAKING OF THOSE SCIENTISTS!! If you thought I wasn’t gonna bring up Lanchi at all then you’re wrong. These two. These two are my everything. They’re undoubtedly my OTP!! There is quite a handful of canon evidence (in both seasons!) that point to Something going on between them!! I’d list them all out rn, but imma save that for another time, so I’ll just stick to saying everything I like about them!! The way Lanc and Chi just bounce off each other is insane. I swear they can read each other’s minds sometimes, they actually just share a braincell!! Lanc being all nervous in the Finale and Chi comforting them,, and ofc Chi being inspired by Lanc to switch jobs in S2 is just GAHAJJJJW I LOVE THEM!! They’ve been living rent free in my head since 2021 and I can’t get them out even if I tried!! EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION they have can be read as romantic. I refuse to believe they’re just friends lmaoo

[gnomey22]

Any opinions/ headcanons on Spamtang? I get he was basically a re-skin of an existing character, but I just love the idea of a living advertisement for an orange juice company swindling Chat with impossible charm-

I feel like I keep giving unideal responses to your asks specifically, but I promise it's nothing personal.

I really don't like SpamTang. His very existence breaks the Failtopia timeline, no character has any reason to be friends with him besides his scams, his apparent motive to take revenge on Failboat is never explored, and he falls into the very same pitfall Joker did back in S1, being a Cool Thief who's literally just a character from a different series with a coat of paint. Not to mention how Dan called Lanc "uninspired" while SpamTang was on-screen, a much clearer example of just taking a Deltarune character and slightly modifying them.

However.

There is potential for an antagonist in SpamTang. He doesn't make any sense to be an ally to the team, he has zero positive relationships that aren't built on lies, but if we take his compelling relationships into account, you could theoretically do something more interesting than the random hodgepodge of ideas SpamTang currently is.

Here's my pitch: SpamTang rocks up to the team, not intending to fight with them, but to do business with them. Specifically, he wants to do business with Shrimp, who's a pretty famous streamer/idol at this point, and her branding would be great for his weird orange juice business. He doesn't have Spamton mannerisms, he's actually the smooth-talking charmer you described in your post, except he isn't targeting Chat, their energies are too similar for them to be his main foil. Shrimp is a much better character to pit him against, because of her usually strong sense of justice, and high capacity to call out the bullshit in the party. SpamTang's offer would challenge her, in these regards. On the orange man's side, this keeps both the "he's scamming a child" angle from Chat, and the "he hates dealing with this child" from Petunyawn, refined into one conflict. His motivation to kill Failboat is scrapped, but he is prone to going off on murderous tangents when he's not in smooth-talking mode.

[rosetheocto]

Hi! Hope this ask finds ya at a good time.

I was wondering what characters from Failtopia you think have a lot of angst potential (besides Erica—I do really like her, but I admit I feel like the majority of the community ignores most of the others). Personally, I'd say both Shrimp and Friend have backstories that allow for a rollercoaster of emotions.

AGGH THE ANGST POTENTIAL THIS SERIES HAS IS SO FUN TO WORK WITH!!! Long rant under the cut!

Friend and Shrimp are definitely good characters to explore with the trauma they’ve gotten before/during the series. As much as people talk about Friend and Lee together, we need more people talking about Friend’s emotions in the aftermath of Lee’s betrayal. Lee was very much abusive to Friend and their relationship (no matter if you see it as romantic or platonic) was undeniably very toxic!! And Shrimp literally had her father leave her to go exploring or whatever he did in that D&D stream (idk I didn’t watch it fully) AND she got bullied at a young age for her dream of being a singer, plus being on a world saving team at the age of 14 isn’t exactly the best thing to happen to a child like her!

I’d also like to mention Mar has amazing angst potential! dude had to witness first hand the effects The Consequences Of His Actions had on Miitopia from the hero’s side, and it is NOT PRETTY. Plus a good chunk of his now teammates were had to deal with this twice, the first time being directly his fault! like. Mar hurt members of his family! Yea it was in the past before The Incident’s formation, but you can’t tell me he doesn’t feel SUPER guilty about it!! Imagine how he felt with Hank’s reveal!! He was just as much to blame for Lee’s villain arc as C!Fail was. I think more people should seriously explore Mar as a character cuz he is so interesting to me

This may seem like a strange one too but.. Simple Bob!! If there’s any angst in this series that’s overlooked, it’s his. He’s a demon hunter, not only that but just like Erica, he’s had people die on him before, with absolutely nothing he could do to save them since he’s not a healer! Punnyatta, Bob’s mentor, was killed by Hank not long before the events of S1. I just wish Bob got better treatment since all his demon hunter stuff is so interesting to me and has a lot of potential!

Rose is also good for angst too since she had to fake so much stuff just to keep up her Rosalina thing! Like, where does Rosalina end and Rose start?? She’s got a whole identity crisis more, and her becoming a worse person as the season goes on is also really cool to me!! Deko obviously has a lot of interesting stuff too that (just like Bob) gets kinda looked over. DUDE WAS EXPERIMENTED ON!! He was ridiculed for something he couldn’t control and permanently changed himself because of it. and that isn’t even mentioning meeting an alternate version of himself who’s better off than him in every way. Dude’s self esteem was low before, but now it’s in the GUTTER. Dude’s struggling

There’s so much more I wanna say but I don’t want this to get too long lol, but I swear you can make some good angst with any character (even Joker’s ‘canon’ story, with him being in an unfamiliar world and all)

[gnomey22]

Random Failtopia thoughts

(Some of these are new, some of these are not, most aren't canon)

"Pyrotechnic" is a perfectly viable ship name for Lanchi.

Orion struggled to differentiate between Slapo's autism and Shrimp's ADHD, hence the brick for a gift.

Bill being the Cat class initially is never explained, but we know he met Chat right before his first onscreen appearance, and they're obsessed with a man in the Cat class, so the dots connect for it to be Chat who convinced Bill to take up the class.

Chi's illiteracy in S1 probably means she didn't know how to spell anyone's name, especially Pirahnyawn's.

Not one person ever questions the massive circles, grey skin, and complete lack of eye contact that make up Bo's face, because Miitopia faces are usually that fucked-up.

The reason the Dark Lord needed a ghost specifically to assassinate Mar was because the Chef himself is a ghost (Dark Curse), and only a ghost can kill another ghost.

Erica studies anatomy regularly in S2, which means she knows that a regular person begins dying at 25, her current age, so it's no wonder she always has death on her mind.

Bo and Rose being immediate family is impossible, but Rose being a descendant of Bo is not, under the assumption that despite not having children herself, Bo's bloodline didn't die with her.

The only three characters to have a canonical dynamic with Slapo are Orion, Mar, and Bo.

All we know about Chat's backstory is that they came from the Otherworld, and are obsessed with Failboat. The only big thing Failboat did in the Otherworld was the S1 final boss fight, which ended in a huge explosion. It's entirely possible that this explosion is what disrupted the Otherworld faces, to the point they formed Chat.

Erica likes to cut things short, but when she's around Bo, she keeps launching into long rambles about how great she is. These are the only times she feels like she can let her thoughts loose, since Bo did just that in the greenhouse by revealing her darkest secret.

On a similar note, Erica's past keeps being thrown back in her face, while Bo can never get her past back, no matter how hard she tries.

Due to Zone having both pink and black appearances, there may or may not be two Zones. That, or Friend's a good enough hat maker to alter Zone's colouring themselves. Considering her passion for his clothing, it's probably the latter.

Were it not for the S2 Greenhorne Arc, Hank would probably have a similar amount of screentime to Slapo.

Marion is a semi-canon ship, by the definition of one party canonically having romantic feelings toward the other, but whether Orion returns Mar's feelings is made comedically unclear.

Chi has inconsistent opinions on spicy food throughout the series, maybe because her fire obsession gets to the point that she has extremely high standards for what's spicy enough.

Rose holds her fan in the specific way she does to hide the mole on her face, something she's grown to hate because it sets her apart from the image of Rosalina.

"Deko" is not his real name, he was probably given Izuku Midoriya at birth, but his new name had to come from somewhere. That place may have been the lab where he was experimented on. The project name may have been along the lines of "DEK-0".

The lab experiment thing also makes it really funny that the only two people he really bonds with are the Scientists of the series.

Shrimp's in-universe fandom could very well be toxic. There are definitely people who are a little too interested in finding out where that 'mysterious' chip on her tooth came from.

Bill is the only character who consistently calls out Chat for their reckless behaviour. In other words, he's the one who moderates Chat.

If Kronkui didn't control who joined the team, TFFM would be down six members (Bob, Smuk, Deko, Rose, Yawn, Joker). TI, on the other hand, would only be down three members (Orion, Failboat, Chat).

Chi gets very protective when enemies are close to her allies in S1, and in parallel, Erica gets very protective when enemies are close to her allies in S2, especially if that ally is Chi.

Despite Failica being everything that they aren't, the first ship ever concocted in Failtopia was Smukle Bob.

[gnomey22]

Failtopia LGBTQ+ Headcanons

If you, a member of this fandom, somehow have a problem with me doing this, fuck off immediately.

This is a comprehensive list of what I'm currently thinking, I will update this list whenever I remember to.

All of these headcanons vary on how sure I am of them, feel free to provide an argument against one you disagree with, if you want!

Sexuality -> Gender -> Pronouns

Failboat - Straight, cis man, he/him

Simple Bob - Bisexual polyamorous, transmasc, he/him

Smuk - Biromantic asexual polyamorous, cis man, he/they

Erica - Demisexual lesbian, cis woman, she/they

Deko - Pansexual, demiboy, he/they

Chi - Pansexual, gender-nonconforming cis woman, she/neos (this doesn't fit in any category, but she's also intersex)

Lanc - Omnisexual, transfem, she/any

Rose - Bisexual polyamorous, cis woman, she/her

Pirahnyawn - Panromantic asexual, agender, he/any

Joker - “Straight”, transmasc, he/him

Mar - Gay man, agender, any pronouns

Orion - Bisexual polyamorous, cis man, he/him

Friend - Aromantic allosexual, genderfluid, any pronouns

Shrimp - Sapphic (Not yet realised), transfem, she/they

Bo - Lesbian, transfem, she/her

Chat - Aromantic asexual, agender, they/them

Big Bill - Aromantic asexual, transmasc, he/him

Slapo - Unlabeled, non-binary (Not yet realised), she/they

Petunyawn - Questioning, cis girl, she/her

Hank/Lee/Floop - Gay man, cis man, he/him