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Today was the first chilly day of the season where I live, and all I can think about is how hecking frigid your cursed TPN edits must be. Y’all we can’t stand for this, they are suffering.
Cozy hat donation box for fullscoreshenanigans’ victims below ⬇️
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He still needs to see a doctor for the concussion while going up the ladder but this helps, thank you
#esthelle-wanders#FSS Asks#FSS Shenanigans#The Promised Neverland#The Promised Baldland#TPN#YnN#TPN S2#Return to Grace Field Arc#TPN S2e10#TPN Hair Discourse#TPN Baldposting#TPN Norman#Norman TPN#Norman 22194#Norman#Norbald#Norman Ratri#throwing in there for the best version of the AU#poutiest most disgruntled mf in ruffles you'll ever see
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#emma is genuinely terrifying #shirai said that it would be dangerous for someone like her to exist in the real world #he’s right ya know #like looking at that manga panel makes me shiver #there are so many moments like that throughout #I mean ray was scary for literally five seconds and then suddenly everyone’s safer when he’s around #norman is waaaaay scarier than ray but not in a way that gives you chills? #like he scares my brain but not my nerves #emma triggers my fight or flight instinct (via @esthelle18)
Look at me straight in the eyes and tell me that’s a face of someone who’s ok
#i meant to reblog this ages ago but forgot whoops#more good tags!!#Full Score Trio#Emma#Norman#Ray#TPN S2#TPN S2e02#Promised Forest Arc#TPN 049#King of Paradise Arc#TPN 122#Grace Field Kids#Tags#just-like-playing-tag#esthelle18#esthelle-wanders#i love how from the outset Ray is presented as the most intense/scary of the trio#and like yes he can be terrifying in his calculating and cunning#but he turns out to just be the biggest softie when it comes to his family#meanwhile Emma learns from Norman and Ray how to lie and mask her true intent with such aplomb#that she ends up pulling the wool over everyone's eyes until it's too late for them to change her sacrifice#scary competent; i get how this is overlooked in light of how the challenges she's faced with in the back half of the story#aren't nearly as intense and personal as the close quarters mental combat that took place during the intricately planned escape arc#in that the interpersonal conflict you think is building up between her and her family (specifically with the Goldy Pond kids#who don't have nearly as many good experiences with demons as the Grace Field kids do#or with her maybe needing to step into the Ayshe-Norman conflict)#just...doesn't come about due to Shirai wanting to wrap things up more quickly#but it's still there and I kind of wish those aforementioned scenarios had been allowed to breathe more so this could be shown off more#in a way that reminds the audience of her competence without sacrificing the focus given to the complexity of other characters
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Tagged by @rainintheevening to make a poll of beloved female characters and see who everyone likes the most.
Tagging @kanerallels, @accidental-spice, @esthelle-wanders, and @braveheartstoryteller
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For the “friendship ask” game: My favorite Middle-Earth duo, Pippin and Gandalf!
If you’re so inspired, I’d love to see your thoughts on 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, and 12 (methinks those are the right ones).
Many thanks for your time, wisdom, and humor!
Hello again, Esthelle! You're too kind, as always. =^-^= I would love to talk about Gandalf and Pippin!
1. “When I think they became friends”
I think it’s pretty clear from the book that their friendship had a rocky start. Pippin was always intrigued by Gandalf, and Gandalf was always annoyed with Pippin (in a grouchy grandfatherly sort of way), but they cared about each other from the very beginning. We can see that in Moria, when Gandalf is cross with Pippin, but—after getting over his own anger—gently tells him to go to sleep, and that he’ll keep watch instead, and Pippin falls asleep staring at the light from Gandalf’s pipe.
If I had to pin it down to one moment, I think their friendship really started to galvanize on that ride to Minas Tirith. Gandalf was finally answering Pippin’s questions, and Pippin was finally listening to him and beginning to understand, and there’s something about falling asleep against someone on a long journey that makes it impossible for any animosity to survive.
2. “My favorite scene of them”
In the movies? That part where Gandalf comforts Pippin and tells him that he doesn’t have to be afraid of death.
In the books? Definitely that part where Gandalf compliments Pippin and he loudly and vehemently denies it. Oh how the turntables—
3. “A random headcanon I have of them”
It is a life goal of Pippin’s to someday wear Gandalf’s hat.
Why? I dunno. He just thinks it’d be fun.
4. “What makes me like their friendship”
Oh, where do I start??
I think the charm of Gandalf and Pippin’s friendship really boils down to contrast: old and young, grouchy and cheerful, wise and naive, powerful and (relatively) powerless. Gandalf and Pippin are nothing alike, and the clash of their personalities is where most of the humor lies.
But also, they’re everything alike. They love their friends. They hunger for knowledge. They will do what’s right no matter what the cost. And I think that’s what bridges the gap between their differences and allows them to finally see eye-to-eye.
Pippin takes comfort in Gandalf as a familiar thing in a strange and unknown world, even as he discovers that Gandalf is a very strange thing himself. Gandalf considers Pippin his charge and his ward; an annoyance at times, but one to whom he would never see any harm come, if he can help it. Gandalf has always been something of a “Jerk with a Heart of Gold”, and nowhere is that seen more clearly than in how he warms up to Pippin.
7. “My favorite thing about their friendship”
They’re freaking hilarious LOL
10. “A song that reminds me of them”
I tried to come up with something new here, but let’s go with a tried and true favorite of mine: “Dear Fellow Traveler”, by Sea Wolf.
12. “A word to describe them”
Meandering, n.:
an act of following a winding or intricate course
an act of wandering in a leisurely or aimless manner
convoluted or undirected thought or language
Pippin’s real name, Peregrin, means “wanderer”. Gandalf is often called the Grey Wanderer. And we both know how much these two can keep taking if you let them. I think “meander” fits them quite well.
FRIENDSHIP ASK GAME!
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Adding the replies and because I also forgot to add the link to the 360° Demizu video.
Offhand I'm unaware of any interviews where Shirai specifically mentions the limits of Grace Field library's collection (and absolutely no word on Isabella's private one), but we do have this paragraph from the first light novel:
(TPN Light Novel 1: A Letter from Norman - “The Day Emma Cried”)
This is assuming "the house" is just the library and Isabella's study is off limits.
TPN Fandom! Do we know how big Grace Field’s Library is?
#poff's being the last one is so funny dklfj#admittedly I was also biased in my sentiments because of the layout of my local library#where the picture books shelving allows them to face out for the kids to browse through them more easily by cover#so I wasn't thinking how many of those thousands of Grace Field's books could be picture books#that Ray probably knocked out before he even turned four#Long Post#Posuka Demizu#Pre-Canon#Introduction Arc#Escape Arc#TPN S1#Ray#Grace Fields Kids#FSS Chatter#TPN References#The Promised Neverland Art Book World#Mystic Code Book#esthelle18#esthelle-wanders
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What do you think would happen if Emma had been sent to lambda instead of Norman?
I like the tags on this art by @norman-ratri-truther:
#i cant tell what roleswap scenario would be interesting #Emma and Norman swap places in most ways. Emma wants to eliminate the demons / Norman wants peace OR #Emma goes to Lambda/Norman goes to Goldy Pond HOWEVER Emma still wants peace. and Norman still wants to eliminate the demons #like is their opposite views on demons more so a result of the things they experienced after leaving Grace Field? #or does it rely more heavily on just who they are and how they were raised AT Grace Field #would the experiments at Lambda be able to push Emma into wanting to kill the all the demons? #would meeting Yuugo/Lucas/everyone at Goldy Pond. would meeting Mujika/Sonju make Norman want peace? #i feel like it wouldn't. i think it would change things a lot but i feel like their initial goals could remain the same #i mean ultimately they fit perfectly in the spot of the story that they are in #but its fun to think abt #i just need to figure out how Ray would be changed. i thought abt it too much in the context of Norman and Emma (via @polychromatiica)
#possibly the most interesting direction I’ve seen for this concept #like— Lambda!Emma will have to face moral crises and quandaries that canon!Emma never did #but I don’t think that would be enough to break her idealism (it didn’t really break Norman’s either) #an Emma whose ‘nobody can die’ philosophy and leadership is genuinely challenged?? that’s terrifying to me #an Emma who has to decide whether or not to ‘mercy-kill’ the mass production children— but she’d definitely make that a group decision #in that way she’s healthier than Norman but also crueler and this idea is INSANE #and Goldy Pond!Norman will confront a wider range of demons—Sonju and Mujika but also the corrupt GP aristocrats #he wouldn’t hesitate to go for the kill with Leuvis #and he’d still be surrounded by kids who hate demons and have suffered because of them #BUT he’d have a far healthier adult figure in Lucas (if not Yugo) then he ever had in canon #and he wouldn’t be nearly as much of a ‘savior’ figure this time around #so there’s all sorts of ambiguity with that #and RAYYYYY #a Ray who escapes with Norman not Emma? #he definitely still gets better mentally but it would look so different!! #because I don’t think a Ray who escapes with Norman has been ‘shocked’ in the same way that canon!Ray has #because Ray already respected Norman as the ‘best’ of them #and without Emma’s victory allowing him to fall for the ferocious joy and surprise of her perspective he wouldn’t change as much or as fast #because ‘you don’t have to give up’ comes from Norman but Ray needed Emma to pull him out of his mindset #Emma expands Ray’s world and Norman transforms it (via @esthelle-wanders)
#LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS AU SO MUCH!!!! #it would be such poetic/narrative justice if they went through each others experiences with their respective worldviews still in tact #i can imagine Emma seeing her worldview justified because both human researchers AND demons are at Lambda #so both are equally capable of being human/horrible #while Norman has a much more hostile view of Yuugo like he originally had with wanting to leave Ray behind #it would be so interesting if Emma's mentality while seeing Yuugo suffer was “we have to save him with the kindness he never got but we did” #while Norman and Ray's would be “being kind didn't save the one person who wanted to save everyone so why should we save him?” #it would be SO interesting for Ray and Norman to have a more selfish/grounded perspective in Goldy Pond #prioritizing the info on Minerva and getting out to save their own family and not risking their survival for someone else's (via @graphx)
I'd probably opt for a nature-based perspective, even though with Emma and Norman switching stances along with their roles there'd still be a difference in how they interact with the people around them. This is something that would crop up in a Lambda Ray AU too, but neither he nor Emma would let the Lambda kids elevate them to the level of a god. There's less distance and more communication, even if they opt to keep the secret of suffering from Lambda illness.
What kind of seals it for me is Norman being the most ruthless out of the trio (he gets it from his mother) in addition to him having the most rigid, black-and-white morality. I talk about this a bit here too, but he's prone to placing those he loves on pedestals. It's why he's so devastated and angry when he discovers the truth about Isabella and Grace Field and when he discerns Ray is the traitor. He would have been content to sacrifice Ray if Emma hadn't interfered, even if he would have regretted it later, because Ray had firmly slotted himself as an enemy in his mind.
(Chapter 4 | Chapter 14)
Emma's perceived death further fuels his loathing for demons and enshrines her atop the pedestal he's placed her on, but now in even more of an ethereal way. Her ideals were just, befitting of one filled with a wellspring of benevolence, and in a kinder world they would have been the moral underpinning of the universe.
But the world they find themselves in is far from that, and surely her ideals wouldn't extend to demons, not even ones that seem as human as Sonju and Mujika. While it would be foolish to not take advantage of the help they offer, in the end, it isn't worth the risk, and Sonju says as much.
(Chapter 46)
It's more pragmatic to extend Emma's kindness and understanding toward fellow humans like Yuugo. Even if Norman and Ray would be much more quick to cut their losses on this or with anyone who established themselves as a threat to their family if push came to shove (and they would have a back-up plan before approaching him), there's still the possibility of appealing to their shared hatred of the demons and uniting over that.
Also unlike in a Lambda Ray AU, I think Ayshe's father would be alive, and he and Ayshe would be aiding Emma in her cause, if not the whole group of scrapped demon followers of Minerva that Shirai originally wanted to include.
(Mystic Code Book Chapter 4)
#m'boy Norman would be fucking dying trying to keep up with Yuugo on the journey to A08-63#The Promised Neverland#TPN#FSS Asks#FSS Chatter#Mystic Code Book#TPN AU#TPN Role Swap AU#Lambda Emma AU#Minemma AU#Athena Emma AU#Emma Minerva#TPN Emma#TPN Norman#Emma#Norman#Noremma#TPN 004#TPN 014#TPN 046#TPN 098#Escape Arc#Promised Forest Arc#Cuvitidala Arc#Long Post#Read More
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#i cant tell what roleswap scenario would be interesting #Emma and Norman swap places in most ways. Emma wants to eliminate the demons / Norman wants peace OR #Emma goes to Lambda/Norman goes to Goldy Pond HOWEVER Emma still wants peace. and Norman still wants to eliminate the demons #like is their opposite views on demons more so a result of the things they experienced after leaving Grace Field? #or does it rely more heavily on just who they are and how they were raised AT Grace Field #would the experiments at Lambda be able to push Emma into wanting to kill the all the demons? #would meeting Yuugo/Lucas/everyone at Goldy Pond. would meeting Mujika/Sonju make Norman want peace? #i feel like it wouldn't. i think it would change things a lot but i feel like their initial goals could remain the same #i mean ultimately they fit perfectly in the spot of the story that they are in #but its fun to think abt #i just need to figure out how Ray would be changed. i thought abt it too much in the context of Norman and Emma (via @polychromatiica)
#possibly the most interesting direction I’ve seen for this concept #like— Lambda!Emma will have to face moral crises and quandaries that canon!Emma never did #but I don’t think that would be enough to break her idealism (it didn’t really break Norman’s either) #an Emma whose ‘nobody can die’ philosophy and leadership is genuinely challenged?? that’s terrifying to me #an Emma who has to decide whether or not to ‘mercy-kill’ the mass production children— but she’d definitely make that a group decision #in that way she’s healthier than Norman but also crueler and this idea is INSANE #and Goldy Pond!Norman will confront a wider range of demons—Sonju and Mujika but also the corrupt GP aristocrats #he wouldn’t hesitate to go for the kill with Leuvis #and he’d still be surrounded by kids who hate demons and have suffered because of them #BUT he’d have a far healthier adult figure in Lucas (if not Yugo) then he ever had in canon #and he wouldn’t be nearly as much of a ‘savior’ figure this time around #so there’s all sorts of ambiguity with that #and RAYYYYY #a Ray who escapes with Norman not Emma? #he definitely still gets better mentally but it would look so different!! #because I don’t think a Ray who escapes with Norman has been ‘shocked’ in the same way that canon!Ray has #because Ray already respected Norman as the ‘best’ of them #and without Emma’s victory allowing him to fall for the ferocious joy and surprise of her perspective he wouldn’t change as much or as fast #because ‘you don’t have to give up’ comes from Norman but Ray needed Emma to pull him out of his mindset #Emma expands Ray’s world and Norman transforms it (via @esthelle-wanders)
#LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS AU SO MUCH!!!! #it would be such poetic/narrative justice if they went through each others experiences with their respective worldviews still in tact #i can imagine Emma seeing her worldview justified because both human researchers AND demons are at Lambda #so both are equally capable of being human/horrible #while Norman has a much more hostile view of Yuugo like he originally had with wanting to leave Ray behind #it would be so interesting if Emma's mentality while seeing Yuugo suffer was “we have to save him with the kindness he never got but we did” #while Norman and Ray's would be “being kind didn't save the one person who wanted to save everyone so why should we save him?” #it would be SO interesting for Ray and Norman to have a more selfish/grounded perspective in Goldy Pond #prioritizing the info on Minerva and getting out to save their own family and not risking their survival for someone else's (via @graphx)
kinda rushed and also a little bit of a wip, au concept, very half baked, cuz tryna figure out how ray would fit into it is my hugest issue but lil outfit/role swap of emma and norman, mostly just wanted to draw tpn fanart again as its been a lil bit since i have
#lots of nice tags on here#feels like the role swap but keep stances tied to their specific characters is reflected more in the art#Emma taking on a romantic tinge with the way she stares off into the distance‚ eyes hidden‚ but the tiniest upturn of her mouth#meanwhile you have Norman‚ head solemnly bowed‚ grappling with her perceived death#and how to balance pragmatism with upholding the ideals she strove for#there can never be peace with the demons#even Sonju said he and Mujika were exceptions and most would want to eat them#with the aristocrats relishing in their terror as they toyed with them#but saving all the cattle children willing to unite under the shared causes of eliminating their tormentors? thinking of them as family?#he might be able to do that for her#also HIM IN A BLUE/PURPLE/PERIWINKLE VERSION OF EMMA'S OUTFIT LEGGOOOOOOO#love getting that boy out of prep attire at any chance that presents itself#Long Post#TPN AU#TPN Role Swap AU#Lambda Emma AU#Athena Emma AU#Emma Minerva#Emma#Norman#Noremma#TPN 074#TPN 075#Search for Minerva Arc#Goldy Pond Battle Arc#freckled Emma my beloved 🧡🧡#Minemma AU
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tags from prev esthelle-wanders!
#THE LANTERN#we talk about ray’s VERY complicated feelings about his mom and we’re right to do so#and honestly the emma-isabella dynamic could stand to be discussed more because I rarely see anybody go beyond the larger narrative beats#to have a look at how the characters actually feel about each other#… but yeah ‘norman and isabella’ is my favorite branch of this particular tree#and i think about how we zone in on ‘norman got his facade and manipulation and sass from isabella’#which he did#but I think their relationship is built on kindness just as much as all of that?#Norman is the only one of her children who ever asked if SHE was happy#and when she says ‘yes’ it’s absolutely a lie#but like everything about isabella there’s nothing but truth there too#‘because I was able to meet someone like you’#norman HAS to think about that too right?#the last genuine conversation he ever had with his mother?#her last words that were exclusively for him?#and then we see that norman’s black-and-white sense of justice isn’t the only thing that drives him as minerva#but also a gradual poisoning of his kindness#his desire that no one else should suffer#his desire to be a comforting and inspiring figure for others#the part of himself that he actively smothers but still outs constantly even in masked and stilted ways#like Isabella’s kindness and her desire to deal out the longest and most beautiful lives she could for as many people as possible#and underneath all that they both want to live SO much#I can’t quite hit the nail on the head with them but believe me the nail is THERE#tpn analysis#tpn norman#tpn isabella
what if i told you that Norman almost certainly harbors a deep resentment and anger toward Isabella, one that festered so quietly he wasn’t even aware of it until he watched her bleed out on the grace field lawn
#the urge to make an over the garden wall reference is so strong#something something there must be a lantern-bearer and whoever holds it must believe in it#something something else you’re in love with something real and you convince yourself the lantern is the only way to keep it alive#tags from prev#OVER THE GARDEN WALL MY BELOVED#god i gotta make an au now#THE WOODSMAN THINKING THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HIS DAUGHTER WAS THROUGH OTHER PEOPLES SUFFERING!!!#such great parallels to norman and isabella's mentalities!#and im pretty sure in ray's plan of revenge he fully intended to take isabella down with him#because he didn't think she could survive after so many high quality kids escaped#which references the woodsman being okay with giving up his daughter's soul to make sure he wouldn't hurt anyone else#AUGH THE TWISTED WAYS THEY SET THEIR OWN FATES IN STONE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY DESERVE IT!!!!#amazing analysis thanks for sharing!!!!#tpn#the promised neverland#otgw
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#this specific side-comic took me by surprise #obliterated my heart #and settled down in the crater it left #they saw that happen #they saw so much #their big brother #these kids are ridiculously kind and strong #you’d better believe ray has an entire support system looking out for him #nobody’s going to overlook him #or take him for granted #because like op says they’ve seen him at his lowest point #which is so sad and scary #but they did and they’re looking out for him as much as he’s looking out for them #I’m disappointed some of this stuff didn’t end up in the manga proper (via @esthelle18)
(Mystic Code Book Chapter 2 Bonus Comic for Chapter 48)
In case anyone hasn’t seen it yet or needed a reminder of how much these two love their older brother and how much it hurt them to see him at his absolute lowest point.
#good prev tags and big mood#the rambling i did about this in a friend server when we watched S2e02 and I was infodumping extra bits from the manga you have no idea#me lichrilly losing my mind#imagine the timeline where we got a season 2 that was just the Promised Forest arc and the Search for Minerva arc#(S1 was 37 chapters and this would clock in at 36 [38-74])#so that we could have more moments to breathe like this and strengthen character bonds onscreen#the pitfalls of having a plot-driven narrative over a character-driven one#Mystic Code Book#Promised Forest Arc#TPN 048#TPN S2#TPN S2e02#Grace Field Kids#Big Bro Ray Tag#Ray#Thoma#Lannion#FSS Chatter#esthelle-wanders#esthelle18
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#ZACK BRO #my friend just finished cuvitidala yesterday and about lost it over the amount of skipped content #the timeskips just start coming and they don’t stop coming (via @esthelle-wanders)
Me reading chapters 98 through 103 during my initial three-day binge of the manga:
(Mystic Code Book Chapter 7 - Series Timeline; edit originally from this post)
Me whenever I remember Don, Emma, Gilda, and Ray spent more time with Zack than Lucas or Yuugo but I rarely see any Big Bro Zack works of him interacting with them </3
#I had to do a double take on Ch102 I thought the site I was reading on glitched or forgot a chapter or something but no#“???? hey y'all whats the fuck is happening”#actually legitimately robbed#Shirai absolutely terrified of the Big Bro potential he gave Zack#because Oliver & Emma's relationship was too much ig </3 </3#also hanging my head in fucking shame for my initial edit they only spent two (2) weeks at the bunker in July 2046. i'm a fool#Long Post#TPN Timeline#FSS Chatter#Cuvitidala Arc#TPN 098#TPN 101#TPN 102#TPN 103#Mystic Code Book#Seven Walls Search Squad#Big Bro Zack Tag#Zack#Emma#Ray#Don#Gilda#Violet
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