#episode: propheteus

[keinbutterdieb]

"Er hat anscheinend schon wieder Scheiße gebaut, ich frage mich nur, was er angestellt hat." Thiel zu Mirko über Boerne. Immer noch eins meiner Lieblingszitate. 😁

[keineahnung-ichhalt]

If I had a nickel every time the two guys from a Tatort team kissed in the bloopers, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[boernepedia]

»For years mental health professionals taught people that they could be psychologically healthy without social support, that ‘unless you love yourself, no one else will love you’ … The truth is, you cannot love yourself unless you have been loved and are loved. The capacity to love cannot be built in isolation.«

Bruce D. Perry, The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog, via this post.

[franzleitmayr]

Episode: Propheteus (2022) outtakes

[shakespearerants]

My personal theory: They started taking the character seriously and THAT'S when shit hit the fan. Just compare Der Dunkle Fleck to Schwanensee. Boerne making jokes about how weird and pathetic he is vs Boerne thinking he can literally lead group therapy because he did what 2 semester of Psych 25 years ago? He really went from loveable idiot who jokes about how cool he is because everyone can see he's NOT to someone who unironically thinks he's God's gift for medicine.

Imo Münster Tatort comes in three phases: Original (up until Schwanensee): Cruel cop Thiel and pathetic wet cat Boerne, written with genuine nuance. See: Der Dunkle Fleck, Höllenfahrt, Krumme Hunde, Dreimal Schwarzer Kater, Das Zweite Gesicht especially. Then Boerne Retcon (Schwanensee to Väterchen Frost though you cool argue this starting at Fluch der Mumie. But Erkläre Chimäre is the last episode that kind of still fits phase 1 Boerne so I'm making the cut there): Thiel stays largely the same, maybe a little less overtly cruel, but Boerne suddenly gets absolutely retconned into someone who is absolutely full of himself. This is where they started taking an insecure character that saw himself as comic relief and instead of keeping that nuance just made him comic relief who takes himself seriously. Dont get me wrong Phase 1 Boerne was also an ass but not like THIS. See especially: Gott ist auch nur ein Mensch, Schwanensee, Feierstunde. There are MULTIPLE Episodes showing the supposed soft core Boerne has that do not make any sense considering...the previous characterization. Compare Dreimal Schwarzer Kater Boerne to Feierstunde Boerne. One of the only Episodes that make sense with 1st phase Boerne in mind is Lakritz. The writing in general gets a lot less three dimensional - compare side characters like Klemm and Nadeshda from Phase 1 to Phase 2. THEN we enter Phase 3 (Limbus to now): We don't need characterization anymore, because Münster Tatort has been running so long if we give the audience a few cue words they'll fill in the rest themselves. Both Boerne and Thiel are reduced to key word versions of their phase 1 characterizations. For Boerne they chose 'full of himself'. For Thiel they chose 'straight man'. That's literally it. The side characters are basically non existent anymore (tell me one thing you remember about Mirko, I dare you), actual plot is sacrificed for cool concepts and special effects (Limbus, Des Teufels Langer Atem and Propheteus especially). The concept of 'ständige Gegenwart' that was quite easy to ignore in the first episodes is now actively working against dramatic tension and character development - lest I remind you of the MULTIPLE episodes we have were the emotional payoff in the last 10 minutes is the almost ritualized change from Sie zu Du - nevermind that we have episodes from the previous phases were they almost swear blood brotherhood, sleep in the same bed, shower together and get fake married. Boernes previous self deprecating jokes habe now become things you hear you CDU voting uncle say at Sunday dinner. Because that's what a character whos only defining trait is 'full of himself' would say. Because that's what happens when you take a character that uses humor to cover up how out of place he feels and take his obvious jokes about how great he is seriously when you're writing the next episode.

That plus everything you said (though I don't know if I agree with you on your last point) is why, in my opinion, why Münster Tatort has become almost unwatchable.

tatort fans, I need your help

am currently writing a video about why boerne in later episodes is not as funny as before and my main reasons are as follows:

1. liefers doesn’t play him up anymore as this overdramatic kind of guy so his jokes don’t sound and look like jokes anymore but as something he truly believes in 

 2. boerne went from being the comic relief character to being the guy that follows thiel everywhere and sometimes has something funny to say but otherwise he is there to do what the story needs him to do

3. the jokes are not as harsh and scandalous as they once were

so now if you have any opinion on this, if you think I am missing something, if you completely agree with any of this, I would be very thankful if you could hit me up because I don’t feel comfortable writing a video like this and not talking to anybody beforehand. also I have not watched all of tatort münster (hurry up ard mediathek!!) so I really need another person to talk to, just so I can confirm that this is not just happening in the episodes I did see. thank you very much just for reading this lol <3

[cornchrunchie]

Ich hätte 50 € darauf verwettet, dass Frau Mann und Herr Muster selbst etwas mit Sisundus zu tun haben. Aber anscheinend stellen wir den Verfassungsschutz jetzt einfach so dar 🤷🏼‍♀️

[cavallettas-world]

Boerne: „Morgens aufwachen und schon schlechte Laune! So wird das nie was mit ner Frau uns!“

[cricrithings]

Diskussionspost zum Münsteraner Tatort heute Abend. Es darf auch anonym kommentiert werden (= kein LJ Account nötig).

[boernepedia]

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YES he is a MASSIVE BITCH but hes also BISEXUAL and a PUNCHING BAG and ALMOST DIES AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. AND hes my little meow meow.

[keinbutterdieb]

Aus der Hörfassung von Propheteus:

Am nächsten Morgen liegt Boerne an Thiel angelehnt auf dem schmalen Bett. Beide schlafen.

[boernepedia]

„Natürlich könnte Boerne ein Leben ohne Thiel leben, aber es würde sich nicht lohnen.“

- Jan Josef Liefers

[boernepedia]

Cool, danke fürs Finden!

Trailer für Tatort Münster "Propheteus" hier:

https://www.bavaria-fiction.de/produktionen/reihen/tatort-muenster/propheteus

Einfach bissi runter scrollen :)

[cornchrunchie]

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[cavallettas-world]

Prophet: “Was ist mit diesem Mann?”

Boerne: “Das ist Hauptkommissar Frank Thiel. Aber da war er noch jung und frisch. Ich habe gute Kontakte zu ihm. Sogar mein Nummernschild trägt seine Initialen.“

[tathort]

i am honestly nothing but pessimistic about the prospect of character/relationship development especially in the boerne-thiel area but i'll keep clowning idc

[cavallettas-world]

Vielleicht drehen sie ja im März den nächsten? Jedenfalls fährt da Jan rund um Köln Rennrad... Wenn schon Krimi, dann auch hier 😁

Jetzt steht es auch auf "Wie war der Tatort"... it's happening!!!!!