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January 25, 2000
A New Man aired for BTVS season 4, episode 12. A lot happens in this episode. A few highlights: a drama-free surprise birthday party for Buffy, one of Buffy's best puns, Riley proudly announces his body count is 17, Buffy - even while still holding back - spars with Riley and it's no contest, and Willow and Tara practice magic in Tara's dorm room.
WALSH: So, the Slayer! BUFFY: Yeah. That's me. WALSH: We thought you were a myth. BUFFY: Well, you were myth-taken.
In this episode Giles's old "friend" Ethan returns. They spend time together, including at a bar where Ethan flirts. (With the waitress, totally with the waitress.) Ethan is later taken by Riley and other guys from "The Initiative."
This was the last appearance of Ethan Rayne. Ethan is played by Robin Sachs and is in four episodes total, Halloween and The Dark Age in S2, Band Candy in S3, and this episode. Sadly Robin Sachs passed away in 2013 of heart failure, at the age of 61.
#btvs#ep: 4x12 a new man#briley#tillow#gethan#buffy summers#riley#buffy x riley#willow rosenberg#tara maclay#tara x willow#twillow#rupert giles#ethan rayne#giles x ethan#robin sachs#professor maggie walsh#quote#month: january#date: 25#year: 2000
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The Rookie Reviews Season's 1-6 Master List. Will be Pinned To Blog for Easy Access. S6 in a seperate link at bottom of list. S7 coming Summer of 25’
Top Eps Listed Season's-1-4 Made a ranking list my fave eps for an ask. Wanted to include in this list.
Started: 5/13/23
Last Updated : 10/05/24
Works: 108
Season 1
1x01-Pilot
1x02-Crash Course
1x03-The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
1x04-The Switch
1x05-The Roundup
1x06-The Hawke
1x07-The Ride Along
1x08-Time Of Death
1x09-Standoff
1x10-Flesh and Blood
1x11-Redwood
1x12-Heartbreak
1x13-Caught Stealing
1x14-Plain Clothes Day
1x15-Manhunt
1x16-Greenlight
1x17-The Shakeup
1x18-Homefront
1x19-Checklist
1x20-Freefall
Season 2
2x01-Impact
2x02-The Night General
2x03-The Bet
2x04-Warriors and Guardians
2x05-Tough Love
2x06-Fallout
2x07-Safety
2x08-Clean Cut
2x09-Breaking Point
2x10-The Dark Side
2x11-Day Of Death
2x12 Now and Then
2x13-Follow Up Day
2x14-Casualties
2x15-Hand Off
2x16-The Overnight
2x17-Control
2x18-Under The Gun
2x19-The Q Word
2x20-The Hunt
Season 3
3x01-Consequences
3x02-In-Justice
3x03-La-Fiera
3x04-Sabotage
3x05-Lockdown
3x06-Revelations
3x07-True Crime
3x08-Bad Blood
3x09-Amber
3x10-Man Of Honor
3x11-New Blood
3x12-Brave Heart
3x13-Triple Duty
3x14-Threshold
Season 4
4x01-Life and Death
4x02-Five Minutes
4x03-In the Line Of Fire
4x04-Red Hot
4x05-A.C.H
4x06-Poetic Justice
4x07-Fire Fight
4x08-Hit and Run
4x09-Breakdown
4x10-Heart Beat
4x11-End Game
4x12-The Knock
4x13-Fight or Flight
4x14-Long Shot
4x15-Hit List
4x16-Real Crime
4x17-Coding
4x18-Backstabbers
4x19/4x20-Simone/Envervo
4x21-Mother's Day
4x22-Day In The Hole
Season 5
5x01-Double Down
5x02-Labor Day
5x03-Dye Hard
5x04-The Choice
5x05-The Fugitive
5x06-The Reckoning
5x07-Crossfire
5x08-The Collar
5x09-Take Back
5x10-The List
5x11-The Naked and The Dead
5x12-Death Notice
5x13-Daddy Cop
5x14-Death Sentence
5x15-The Con
5x16-Exposure
5x17-The Enemy Within
5x18-Double Trouble
5x19-A Hole in the World
5x20-S.T.R
5x21-Going Under
5x22-Under Siege
Season 6 Separate Post
#Caitlin Rewatches The Rookie#masterlist#masterpost#chenford#series rewatch#tim x lucy#tim bradford#lucy chen#lucy x tim#the rookie s1#the rookie s2#the rookie s3#the rookie s4#the rookie s5#otp: doing my job#otp: you know me so well. too well.#otp: some things matter more.#otp: you did good#otp: you're nothing like him#otp: doesn't feel like pretend#otp: unless it is#the rookie
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Jess Watches // Sat 19 Oct // Day 386 & Sun 20 Oct // Day 387 Synopses & Favourite Scenes & Poll
Burn Notice (rw with L) 1x10 False Flag
Michael makes plans to leave Miami, but has to do one last job - locate a woman's missing son - so he can get a new identity.
Lucy lawless, put-me-on-your-[redacted]-i-mean-hit-list challenge.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (rw) 4x12 A New Man
Ethan Rayne returns to town and transforms Giles into a demon. Spike is the only one who can help.
The beginnings of Willow & Tara still wasn't as gay as whatever hate-fucking exes thing Ripper Rupert & Ethan had going on.
Giles: Go fuck yourself. Ethan: Fuck me yourself, you coward.
Summer Strike (with mum) Ep 8
The trip gets off to a bumpy start, but the four friends make do with what they have in order to have an enjoyable time. Ji-yeong realizes her true feelings.
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Interview with the Vampire 2x08 And That's the End of It. There's Nothing Else (s2 Finale)
Molloy questions the fiery fallout of Louis and Claudia's trial.
"A tv show where the central premise is the characters are all writing fanfiction about eachother and everyone's interrograting the text from the wrong perspective." [x]
#burn notice#buffy the vampire slayer#summer strike#interview with the vampire#iwtv#polls#tumblr polls#jess watches#day 386#day 387
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The Sunnydale Herald Newsletter, Wednesday, September 18-Thursday, September 19
Master: You're dead! Buffy: I may be dead, but I'm still pretty. Which is more than I can say for you.
~~Prophecy Girl~~
[Drabbles & Short Fiction]
Nothing's The Same (Buffy, PG) by badly_knitted
bufy a girl (Buffy/Spike, M) by lottiecrabie
A Tale of Two Slayers (Buffy/Kendra, E) by Ann_Douglas
Convincing (Buffy/Giles, T) by simple_nothings
[Chaptered Fiction]
Erotic Entertainment, Chapter 4 (Multi, E) by TheInfiniteDoctor
Cat Scratch Fever, Chapter 2 (Buffy/Cordelia/Oz, E) by KNZ1
My (love) Kill, Chapter 1 (Buffy/Spike, G) by scared_worm
Love Lives Here, Chapter 100 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by Passion4Spike
Forty-eight days in LA, Chapter 7 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by Blissymbolics
Mysterious Destinies, Chapter 10 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by EnchantedWillow
Lost in Desolation, Chapter 9 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by Melme1325
A Nice Surprise, Chapter 1 (Crossover with Riptide, FR15) by calikocat
Meanwhile, back on the farm..., Chapter 6 (Multiple crossings, FR13) by hysteriumredux
Seeing Clearly, Chapter 200 (Multiple crossings, FR13) by JoeB
Perception, Chapter 4 (Buffy/Spike, G) by flootzavut
Champion of War, Chapter 3 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by Desicat
To All We Guard, Chapter 25 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by simmony
Waiting for You, Chapter 21 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by honeygirl1885
A Sword in the Man, Chapter 4 (Buffy/Spike, PG-13) by Desicat
[Images, Audio & Video]
Artwork:The Slayer's pet by JSBirsa
Manip:moodboard: buffy summers by courtillyy
Manip:Collage #172 by thedecadentraven
Gifset:Buffy Meme: [1/8 Episodes] 6x07 Once More With Feeling by lovebvffys
Gifset:7x15 | “Get It Done” by clarkgriffon
Gifset:6x18 "Entropy" by peeta-mellark
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Video: Buffy Best Comebacks // Buffy The Vampire Slayer Funniest Moments by Hollistic Witch
Video: Buffy and Faith - Empty by juliaroxs241
[Reviews & Recaps]
Big Bad Powerful She-Witches | Buffy the Vampire Slayer 7x9 "Never Leave Me" | Normies Reaction! by The Normies
Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x11 & 4x12 REACTION | "Doomed" & "A New Man" by The Horror Bandwagon
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*BETTER THAN MCDONALD'S?!* Buffy the Vampire Slayer S6 Ep 12 "Double Meat Palace" Reaction FIRST by Nick Reacts
First Date: Buffy 7x14 Reaction by Dakara
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Buffy goes home to see her mom and finds Spike having chocolate with her. A request for explanations leads to unearthing some ethical issues about the Initiative and Joyce gets caught in the middle of a verbal fight between Buffy and Spike, for which she develops an interesting theory.
Set in S4, some time between eps. 4x11 “Doomed” and 4x12 “A New Man.”
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Latest Story: Unexpected Company, Chapter 1 by VeroNyxK84 [PG-13]
Read it here: https://www.sunnydaleafterdark.com/viewstory.php?sid=1809&chapter=1
Buffy goes home to see her mom and finds Spike having chocolate with her. A request for explanations leads to unearthing some ethical issues about the Initiative and Joyce gets caught in the middle of a verbal fight between Buffy and Spike, for which she develops an interesting theory.
Set in S4, some time between eps. 4x11 “Doomed” and 4x12 “A New Man.”
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Hey I have trying to get my friend into the rookie she fallen in with Chenford what are good chenford eps you would recommend ?
Ooooooou👀 okay some good chenford eps, I’d say:
Season 1:
1x06 - The Hawke (Lucy steals Tim’s money clip. They have a flirty moment at the end, “Maybe you should glove up…)
1x11 - Redwood (Over-protective Tim! Lucy gets stabbed with a rusty needle)
1x18 - Homefront (A little Chenford date at the end🙃)
1x19 - The Checklist ( Lucy has a checklist of 7 different arrests she has to make. Tim helps Lucy complete the checklist even if it does interfere with their hours.)
1x20 - Free Fall (Tim gets “infected” with a deadly virus, and Lucy stays next to him throughout the entire process, big moment.)
Season 2:
2x01 - Impact (A bit of a continuation to 1.20, + Chenford angst.)
2x02 - The Night General (Audiobook *I have nothing else to say*)
2x03 - The Bet (Kinda clear from the title.)
2x06 - Fallout (Drinks.Drinks.and drinks!!!)
2x08 - Clean Cut (Lucy sticking up for her man as she should😌)
2x10 - The Darkside (Whoo babyyyyy)
2x11 - Day of Death (Get the tissues ready)
2x12 - Now and Then (Tim’s speech killed me, I’m not in my feels.)
2x13 - Follow-Up Day (“I haven’t finished training you yet.”)
2x14 - Casualties (“Some things matter more.”)
Season 3:
3x01 - Consequences (SO MANY DIFFERENT MOMENTS BETWEEN THEM, they’re insane. And also overprotective Tim era makes a reappearance.)
3x06 - Revelations (Lucy goes undercover and Tim ain’t here for it.)
3x07 - True Crime (hilarious chenford moments, this is a true crime heavy episode though.)
3x08 - Bad Blood (Lucy teasing Tim.)
3x09 - Amber (HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH I’m still hurt, thanks Lucy.)
3x11 - New Blood (Jealously, Jealously!!!)
3x14 - Threshold (So. Many. Moments. Omg. Screaming internally)
Season 4:
4x01 - Life and Death (This one’s gonna hurt just a warning. Big chenford moment.😉)
4x02 - Five Minutes (Lucy being a proud wife!!! She’s so happy for Tim *makes a crow noise*)
4x03 - In the Line of Fire (It’s basically Tim and Lucy missing each other without admitting it, idiots… in love, of course.)
4x05 - A.C.H (AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA UNWELL!!)
(Brace yourself this is where it gets a little….bumpy.)
4x06 - Poetic Justice (Chenford bet!! YAYY! What’s not yay?? uhm…unexpected guest.)
4x07 - Fire Fight (A little bit of Tim being shirtless in front of Lucy.😏)
(You’re gonna cry with these two.)
4x08 - Hit and Run (I warned you.)
4x09 - Breakdown (it’s named that because you’re literally gonna have a breakdown, whooo baby.)
(EUUEEHHSEHEHWHWJWJA….)
4x10 - Heart Beat (the unexpected guest comes back, and she brings a friend, and he’s a jerk! But, Lucy wasn’t subtle looking at Tim across the bullpen blushing and all, *go get ya man, oh…too late.*)
4x11 - EndGame (Chenford and Tamara, Lucy calling the jerk a clown, cause he’s an idiot💀)
4x12 - The Knock (😂😂😂😂no comment)
4x16 - Real Crime (Aaron centric BUT! Funny chenford moments, another true crime episode.)
4x18 - Backstabbers (AHAHAHAHJAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! Unwell!!)
4x19 - Simone (Backdoor pilot, heavy Nolan/ Simone Clark (love her!) but also one funny chenford moment, a subtle look & and an aweeeeee moment.)
You’re all caught up, 4x21, is gonna be something. 💀 good luck watching that promo.
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Chatting with Austin’s Shitbag
~Doomed & Stoned Interviews~
By Shawn Gibson
In his never ending quest to find the filthiest bands from around the world, Shawn Gibson brings us face-to-face, virtually speaking, with frontman Keith Young from Austin, Texas trio SHITBAG. The band dishes out a harsh blend of crust, grindcore, hardcore, and sludge, a sound you may already be acquanted with if you've heard their new EP Burden on Transylvanian Recordings. (Editor)
SHITBAG - BURDEN by SHITBAG
So why are you a Shitbag? What's the name all about?
I guess when I came up with the name, the thought was that Shitbag was a person I didn't want to be and I lived in fear of becoming. It's a catchy two syllable band name. (laughs)
Oh very catchy!
Half of it's just taking the piss right?
Oh yeah.
People think it's great or they think it's really fucking stupid.
I love the name Shitbag. It grabs your attention. It is so fitting for your style of music, the sludge-grind duo.
Definitely. The idea was to get a very dirty sound from the start. The name stuck with me. You can tell from some of our earlier releases to hone the sound but you can see that it's falling into place. I think we were zeroing in on the sound on the album we put out last year.
Which was 'Furnace,' right?
Correct.
Your latest release 'Burden' is out now.
Yes, that's now through Transylvanian Records.
Awesome, they are a good label! I have definitely heard of them and have some of their artists' music. So is 'Burden' your third release?
I guess it's our fourth, if you count the first EP. We don't really push that one out anymore.
Furnace by Shitbag
'Furnace' is a really good album! I think I bought all your digital albums on Bandcamp.
Oh, thank you.
I definitely fell in love with the sound! "Emasculator" is a great sludge song from the record Can you tell me a little about that one?
It is about castration. The riff was a fun thing I kind of threw out there. I told Eli our drummer this is in 4/4 and he said" it is absolutely not, I can try to play along to it anyways." As usual, he did. the different pieces kind of fell into place. The bass guitar always stuck out to me on that one. The speed of the song and the mix we got on those recordings allows the bass to shine through I think. Also, I think that might be one of my favorite vocal performances off of Furnace as well.
Who all is in the band and what roles do they have?
So I play guitar and vocals. Eli Deitz plays drums and Eric Prescott plays bass.
I would say 'Burden' sounds heavier than 'Furnace.' Can you tell me about your guitars and the set up you use for writing and recording?
Oh, sure!
What are you using to get that Shitbag sound?
So first off I think it's worth noting that we recorded Burden at a different location and we had more power at our fingertips. The guitars definitely did get beefed up. For the first two releases I had been playing a Randall RH 150 with a Randall 150 amp head. It gets this really nasty distortion right out of the box, you don't need a distortion pedal, which is pretty convenient. It wasn't reliable at high volumes. That was becoming a problem more and more playing alongside Eric, as he was playing an "O-R something" Orange head and also running that through an HM2 and some fuzz stuff in front of it, as well. He gets a very loud, snarling bass tone.
He's covering the low end, but there's an intersection where the guitars and bass compete when we are playing live. So I needed something that I could crank up just to keep up. The Randall wasn't cutting it. May of last year I purchased a Sunn Coliseum 880. That was great but I needed to beef up my cabinet setup. Before I had been playing out of a Laney 4x12 with two different Celestion speakers and an old Marshall 2x15. The Celestion speakers are just not cut out for running something like a Coliseum880. At 4 ohms I think it's already at 230 watts.
Oh, wow!
That is when I moved up to a Worshipper 4x12. It's an Intown establishment, and some good friends of mine run it. They got me a new cabinet in 8 to 12 weeks. Kinda crazy to think about from what I heard from Dillon at Worshipper they had good business during the pandemic.
That is great! I love to hear that everyone's keeping up the practicing at home.
Yeah, It definitely has a silver lining. I got a 4x 12 and I'm trying to remember what speakers are in it. My technical knowledge of that stuff is a little limited, I'll be honest. I went with Dillon's recommendation. I told him what I was using currently, this is what I want out of it. I already have a 2x15 cabinet so I don't need a whole shit ton of low end power coming out of the 4x12. He kind of went with something that had the right profile and could handle 320 watts. After that was the matter of finding a distortion pedal, because Sunn Coliseums don't really have a built in distortion the way a Randall does. For a while I was a really great distortion pedal that does all kinds of great stuff the Earthquaker device's grey channel.
It has six different clipping presets, clipping diodes, and you can do just about everything from straight up gain to kind of a fuzzy effect to full-on Moss clipping diode, which does the whole balls to the wall heavy metal thing. Great diversity on that pedal but it wasn't quite hitting the right spots. I went to a Boss HM2 and was very reluctant to do so because I know everyone does those. I ran that with a Graph equalizer like I would any distortion pedal. I made it not sound like I'm playing in tuned riffs. That's my equipment set up and how it evolved from Furnace to Burden.
Awesome, thank you. Something that attracted me to Shitbag's music is the sludge is the jelly and the grind is the peanut butter that makes this great Shitbag sandwich. There are moments in your music that it is as thick as swamp mud, then the next it's firing out like bullets out of an AR-15!
Hell, yeah!
Cordycep by Shitbag
With that being said you have a song like "New Day" that's grind as fuck, clocking in at a minute long, just blasting through! Then you have songs like "Rogue Furnace" that's right up the sludge/doom alley clocking in at 15-minutes, 20-seconds. Shitbag has a really great balance between different styles in your music.
Well, thank you!
What bands influenced Shitbag's music?
Yeah, so I think the time I was getting into sludge and doom in my college days and I came across Primitive Man.
Oh, yeah!
I grew up listening to death metal and shit like that.
Me too!
The way they threw that together with just oppressive doom sound. It was something I had never heard before. I instantly heard that and said"this is the future." I don't want to shit on anything but Black Sabbath has been around 50 years and that sound has been around 50 years.
Newer and current bands are still using that sound, yeah.
Maybe I shouldn't disparage it, right? Even the stuff I'm drawing influence from is 30 years old now. Maybe I shouldn't say it that way. I think it's a matter of pervasiveness rather than how old something is. There are a lot of bands in the sludge/doom canon that are like, "Black Sabbath, hell yeah!"
You can find lots of music that was coming out of the death and grindcore scene in the '80s, '90s, and 2000s that had very slow, lurching oppressive moods. To me, it's not so much a matter of the notes that are being played or the rhythms, it's the atmosphere. So yes Primitive Man, God Flesh, they are a big one. I'm a big fan of Assuck, Dystopia, and Grief. Then a lot of older death metal shit, too. Napalm Death, Eric and Eli loved Entombed. Full Of Hell is tight as shit, too!
Yes they are! By chance have you heard of Clinging To The Trees Of A Forest Fire?
Oh yeah, yeah.
I thought you might, being they were before Primitive Man. Great shit, as well!
Every band of theirs that the members of Primitive Man have been in that I have checked out, I have been very much into.
Vermin Womb, Many Blessings...
John put out an album with a death metal band called Black Curse last year that I thought was fucking phenominal!
I'll have to check that out! I like just about everything across the board, personally.
You are mentioning that we're striking this blend, we are not even playing the same genre through the whole EP. It's kind of like there's moments where it's one thing then there's moments where it's another. I think the more important thing is that it sounds like a cohesive thing. I hope we manage to do that.
You do! Shitbag has it's own sound that is unique to you guys!
Well, thank you!
I stumbled upon Shitbag's music on Bandcamp on Fathers Day. I saw the song title "Fathers and Sons" off of Burden and thought, "That's no coincidence -- I need to check this band out!" I was wondering if you can tell me a little about that track?
The song is about grappling with father and son relationships that are, I don't want to say estranged but you know trying at times. That was something that was a really big deal for me over the past year and a half, cause my mother passed away at the end of 2019.
I am sorry to hear that!
Thank you. When you have a death in the family like that, there is a lot of time for reflection that comes about. That's where the concept came about. I would not say that it's entirely autobiographical, there is definitely some exaggeration in there. We had the music for the song written and we couldn't figure what to write the lyrics about. I was just spitballing ideas and concepts to Eli. That was the one he said, "Yeah, I'm not really a fan of this draught but this is the concept to go with. Keep going with this."
Historically, I think I have been a weak lyricist. I would not call myself good by any means. We definitely made that part of the writing more collaborative process. Like the music has always been with us. We ironed out the words with each other so it felt a lot better. We came out with something more polished.
I understand completely.
A little graciousness opens yourself up. I think it's true with lyrics, as well. You probably don't have people say that to you very often, I imagine. I think it's especially true with lyrics when you're trying to make something that's personal and vulnerable. Having someone say, "Hey I would word that differently!" YOU MOTHERFUCKER!
Exactly. (laughs)
Take a step back from the initial knee-jerk response and just let it sit. You can really go places with that. I think lyrics are different just because people are not accustomed to making themselves vulnerable in that way.
What bands from Austin and surrounding areas that are heavy and you love to see them play or play with?
Let's see... Zyclops, really fucking great! There's bands like Glassing, Inhalants, Portrayal Of Guilt.
Yep, familiar with them.
There's a band called Godshell, they are new. I saw them play at a house show in North Austin in a living room full of people younger than myself. A crowd that was young enough to make me feel old. They played an outstanding fucking show! Those guys are rad live! There's also Metal Abortion, who is a pretty fun noise core band that Shitbag has played with a couple times. They put on a hell of a show and they have some crazy fucking records, too!
We have had the pleasure of playing many great shows with Desist on account of Shitbag and Desist being the two "Austin sludge" bands. Lucas is an outstanding vocalist and an even better human being. I don't know if Desist has been active through the pandemic but word is they have shit in the works. Another band forming a major constellation in the Austin shit-verse is the crusty blackened thrash outfit Vacha. Every show we've played with them was a fucking barn buner. I have nothing but love for all those dudes! Special shout out to Carlos for his God-like endurance behind the kit.
What makes Shitbag laugh? What's funny to you guys?
Oh, man. Eli and I have decided that a good way to get around when I bring a riff and don't know the time signature, is that we count everything in one. There 's no more time signature.That's a fairly recent joke. There are times at practice instead of playing a Shitbag riff with the distortion and everything balls out, I will go to the clean channel and push on the wah pedal and play with a funky staccato thing.
Hell yeah!
I think everyone else finds it annoying.
I have always enjoyed when the one guy in the band during practice either gets funky or jazzy, one of the two.
There is also something that Eli does that is fucking histarical. He never warns me he's going to do it. We will be in the middle of a song in the intense parts of the song he slips in the ba-dum tiss like a joke was told. When he nails it it's really a special thing.
Well, Keith that is all I have for you. Thank you again for your time!
Thank you very much, Shawn! The cassettes are available through Transylvania Recordings and Bandcamp. They are up for pre-order. I am not sure when those pre-orders will be in. There are some delays.
Several bands and labels having a tough time with vinyl getting pressed and shipping, too.
If you order the cassette you will get it eventually. I hope there is new music to announce in the near future.
We hope so, too!
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ok but like thank u sm for the link i’ve been vaguely following your winston/billions content and ive been trying to find the context without having to watch the whole thing lmao so now i can fully understand ur analysis and art that i already enjoy!!
oh first of aw!!!! that’s such a compliment lol ty and yes s/o to @winstonthequant for posting that compilation for 5.5k+ people to partake in, it’s super useful
yeah we Jest that all anyone needs to know to understand the Spirit Of Wynnstanning is to have seen those scenes with winston and taylor from kompenso, ep 3x11 lol.....i mean it’s partially a joke but it’s also partially true, that’s pretty much the Cause of the group of us going “oh my god” and becoming Invested in all of this. winnie n tay baby.......their Dynamique...they are way too good Ugh
and yeah the Broadest Of Strokes of this series overall is that the Central Theme is "insufferable bastard hedge fund ceo damian lewis [aka axe] man Versus insufferable bastard attorney general paul giamatti man [aka chuck],” just these corrupt assholes having a back and forth slapfight power struggle every season. nobody cares what happens in season 1 but taylor is introduced at the start of season 2 as a just-out-of-undergrad intern at axe’s hedge fund. turns out they’re amazing at hedge funding (they have some goddamn sense and strategy and awareness, whereas axe is 100% beholden to the whims of his own Delicate Temper and Ego and is a continually self-sabotaging idiot, nbd) and by season 3, while axe is doing a bit of jail time over insider trading (see: previous parenthetical) taylor is left effectively in charge of axe’s hedge fund, which btw is called axe capital
Our Beloved Quant Winston enters the picture 3 eps into this situation, where taylor is attempting to start a quant team at axe cap, hence interviewing him, then only known as “quant kid 2″ in the credits. [not-that-informed explanation of What Is A Quant: where the Traditional Financial Analysts in a hedge fund try to make profitable stonk trades just via like, reacting to The News and other publically available info / whipping up Strategies / intuiting shit and making judgment calls or whatever the hell they do, a Quantitative Analyst (a more recent development in the high finance world) is taking a more mathematical approach to the whole legal gambling operation which is The Stock Market and might, as winston does, use An Algorithm to analyze finance info and make trades in response. is the vague idea here] Quant Kid 2 was not Originally meant to ever reappear, hence him just messing up the interview and getting sent off after like 30 seconds, but they wrote him in further when William Roland showed up and actually filmed the scene.
when “i’m a shitty bastard driven by my shitty ego and will self-sabotage if my Pride asks for it on a whim” axe shows back up, tl;dr, he spends the rest of s3 being terrible and unappreciative to taylor, who you might imagine is Threatening That Delicate Ego of his by capably taking care of his hedge fund while he was indisposed. for example, he needlessly wrecks taylor’s relationship with a guy they were having a nice time dating (and will, we’re pretty sure, talk to again in s5ep2!! hoorayy) and does basically the opposite of apologizing, sweeps taylor’s Quant Project into the trash, gets mad at them for failing to land a certain investor which he said they did on purpose which idk they May Have lol i think this was later in the season, and won’t give them the raise they want, and that’s just A Few of the bullet points in this topic. but oops, turns out that taylor has been secretly taking steps to put together their own entirely separate hedge fund! which is where winston comes back in, aka their meeting him in that empty classroom only to summon him to a random basement. that algorithm he ends up creating for them (which he’d Assumed was for axe cap purposes) was used by taylor to entice a Big Investor at axe cap to invest in their own hedge fund, taylor mason capital, which exists by the end of season 3, which obviously axe is not happy about and of course it’s a whole ~betrayal~ even though he did it to himself but no, he decides taylor is his Nemesis, b/c in so many ways he is a dumbass. god
season 4 has winston as taylor’s Main Quant (the one time we hear his name spoken aloud is taylor saying “winston and the quant team). taylor spends the season dealing with all the problems of having a Brand New Hedge Fund and having a Well Established Hedge Fund With An Asshole At The Helm constantly trying to sabotage their fund, which we also call tmc / mase cap for short, just for reference lmao, the latter being how they shorten it in the show’s actual dialogue. the Front Running mentioned in that one clip was an instance of such sabotage. and by the time winston shows up 5 eps later, that Fracking Subplot (lmao...this fucking show) was about taylor being reeeeal sick of axe cap’s sabotage b/c they kinda made it personal, and thus spending the whole episode Completely playing axe for a fool, which was kinda fun, b/c it’s not that hard and he has it coming. it gets a little involved with what’s going on in ep 4x11 with the bonuses lmfao but it's nbd, just know that winston was right, we went frantic about him being Bullied and are still indignant about it, and taylor talking to Everyone in that 4x12 clip does seem to address what winston had said, compare and contrast 4 yourselves, even if this apparently went totally over the heads of any Regular Billions Viewers lmao. and then in 4x12 A Lot Happens b/c it’s the finale but axe manages to self-sabotage himself in a way that does a lot of damage for mase cap though, and axe thinks that he’s successfully blackmailed taylor into returning to axe cap with mase cap as a Supposedly Temporary subsidiary of axe cap, which sucks, but taylor is not as blackmailed as he thinks, which is a secret, Drama and Twists and Shifting / Dubious Loyalties and Stonks are just constant themes here and who cares. we are here for the quant, who is there with taylor
We Have Many Ideas / wise concepts and headcanons, seeing as canon is a nightmare and there’s not That much material re: winston and precious few details about him / he spends sooo much time offscreen and unmentioned and it leaves us plenty of blanks to fill in. for example, maybe u noticed we think he should kiss taylor and also get railed by them, there are extensive ideas about that relationship wherein we happily ignore Finance. also, there is an unusually kind and reasonable analyst over at axe cap named ben kim who we also think should kiss winston, so yeah That idea is sure around as well lol, they have enough Parallels and complementary Similarities and Contrasts and also just like, a normal nice person is a rarity on this show, so ben does Not have a world of competition in our [list of people who’d be Okay to kiss winston, b/c someone should, b/c he deserves that cuz we love him]
yeah that’s my Quick Basic Context summary lmao we hate it here but also we have fun, and really at any time (extending this to anyone lol) feel free to Send An Ask about anything at all b/c i am Not annoyed by random / unprompted asks from anybody, i love interaction! who knows if i’ll answer promptly (for example: sorry @ the person who’s asked for deh/bmc hcs who i havent answered yet lol) but yeah. it’s totally nice that you were already interested even without any Context lmao like. i mean yeah basically the joke still stands that the only context u truly need is that one scene from Kompenso but. yeah #Stonks
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Drunj!Der Yells About Outlander
Thoughts on Ep. 413
I’ve been singing Jefferson’s “The emperor has no clothes.” line from Washington on Your Side all day. Because honestly, that’s basically how I feel about Outlander at this point. Obviously every season when the press tour rolls around the cast and crew are going to talk about how it’s their best season yet and yada yada talking point bullshit. And in the segments after each episode they’re obviously going to pat themselves on the back for being so fucking brilliant. But I have to ask, are they delusional and believe what they’re saying? Or are they self-aware enough to realize that they’ve been putting out a worse and worse product every year but they’re contractually obligated to only say good things about the show? (I’m not stupid, I know that regardless of what they really think about the show they’re putting out, they’re never actually going to say it’s not good. That’s not how this works.) Some, like Balfe, I think are aware that the show isn’t what it used to be. And some, like Matt and Toni, I really think believe they’re doing a good job.
But as long as they keep spouting off the same nonsense about how everything is awesome, a certain segment of the fandom will keep agreeing that the emperor’s new clothes are indeed amazing, while I’m just over here like uh, y’all realize he’s nekkid, right?
Anywho, I’m really looking forward to a very long hiatus.
As much as I tend to not like the title cards anymore, this one included, Otter Tooth being like oh fuck this white kid in his racist costume is valid af.
I do appreciate that they show the Mohawk playing lacrosse in this episode and in 4x12. Because as much as it’s associated with prep school white boys today, it was invented and played by Native American and First Nations tribes, including the Mohawk.
(I signed up to play lacrosse in high school thinking that girls’ lacrosse was like boys’ lacrosse, but it’s not. You can’t check or anything. Lame.)
These fuckers are really bad negotiators. Like hey, we *really* want this guy. Like we’re desperate to get this guy. We didn’t just give you the upper-est of upper hands in this negotiation. Nope.
Tehwahsehwke brushing off the stuff they brought to trade with as just trinkets for Roger gives me life.
Has Claire been wearing this stone all season? You’d think they would have shown her wearing it more or something. But why would they do that when it can just pop up again out of nowhere.
Also, like, why the fuck would you wear a stone you found by the skull you think belongs to a Native American ghost dude who was hatchet’ed in the back of the head to a Native American village. Like, sure she doesn’t know the connection yet, but like, seems like something you’d maybe want to leave at home.
Also who the fuck are you guys, Frasers, refusing to leave someone else’s village when asked? You’re in no position to make demands. I know you want Roger back for some reason that I will never understand, because he’s the worst (only partly being sarcastic), but you’re the fuckers who sold him away so... Just leave and come up with Plan B, don’t make everyone hate you on the way out.
Oh the irony that the racist af term is “Indian giver” when it’s the white folks who go back on their deals...
Murtz being indignant about Bree and Lord John’s engagement makes me mad all over again that we were robbed over his reaction to Jamie marrying Laoghaire.
They’re like really leaning into the benevolent slave owner bullshit, and it’s gross, tbh. Like Bree’s just totally chill being waited on by an enslaved person. This show is killing meee.
Claire making demands and Wahkatiiosta being like “bitch, please” gives me life. Like Claire, you fucking idiot, you’re really not in a position to make demands right now.
Otter Tooth really is a tragic figure. I’d say it’s weird to spend this much time on someone that’s already dead (Just to set up Donner? I’m assuming that’s why they’re doing it?), but honestly, giving the Mohawk something to do that’s not about white people is fine with me.
Really Claire, you have all these opinions about ghosts? Since when?
(Since eventually they need to explain Jamie’s ghost. So why weave in ghost-related mythology organically when you can randomly shoehorn it in with a line that makes everyone scratch their head.)
“Not one of my finer moments.” Understatement of the season, Bree. Seriously, wtaf. And putting in this meta line doesn’t make it better.
“Da told me I should forgive him.” I hate that she was doing things because someone told her she should instead of because she wanted to. Because, again, Bonnet doesn’t deserve forgiveness. Part of forgiving someone, imo, is that they need to be sorry for the thing that needs forgiving. And Bonnet is not. So fuck that guy, he shouldn’t be forgiven.
“I already have.” In this instance, Jamie at least admitted he fucked up and is trying to fix it, but that’s like the first time something like that has happened. And honestly, I’m looking forward to him continuing to try to be worthy of this forgiveness she’s granting him. Because if next season starts with them just being buddy buddy, I’m gonna roll my eyes a lot.
Uh, why *would* this Mohawk dude let you escape with Roger. He owes these white people nothing. Why on earth wouldn’t he raise the alarm. He’s not the bad guy here.
Oh good god it’s not even half over yet.
I should be feeling things about Jamie and Claire possibly being separated again, but the show has managed to make them so meh this season that I really can’t be bothered to give a fuck, tbh.
Also, like, we’ve seen them say goodbye like it might be forever so many times already that like it’s kind of losing its meaning if we don’t also see them being *together* like they’re on borrowed time. Which we haven’t this season.
I miss caring about Claire and Jamie. Make me care about them again, show. This season was supposed to be them building a life together and enjoying finally being married and settled and knowing that every minute together is precious because it’s one they never thought they’d have. And somehow the show instead made them secondary characters in their own story to the point where this moment isn’t even evoking a reaction from me.
Young Ian really hasn’t had much to do all season, but what he has been given has been good and I love him a lot. And major props to him for being like yeah, I fucked up, I’m owning it, I’m gonna apologize and I’m gonna be the one to stay. Take note, literally every other dude in this show, be more like Young Ian.
Although, man, as much as I love the growth Young Ian goes through in the books, it’s gonna be so... problematic, to put it lightly, to have a white kid cosplaying as a Mohawk for the rest of the series when we’ve never had a fully developed Mohawk character.
Murtagh’s whole speech to Jocasta can directly translated to our current trash fire of an administration not being able to grasp what the federal employees they furloughed were going through during the shutdown. But this isn’t a political show. Nope.
Yes, I know that this was all written and shot months ago. But discussing privilege and and using your privilege for good is also political.
Murtagh’s pretty chill about Jocasta owning people for someone who was indentured for years.
As great as Murcasta is as a ship name, I don’t ship it. I’m here for them being inappropriate fuckbuddies, but she’s a fucking slave owner and he’s a Regulator. So hard pass on going full Duncan Innes here.
Also it’s cute that the producers were like this is a brand new idea because in the books, Murtagh’s dead! It’s like guys, you don’t get originality points for giving a canon book plot line to a different character.
Also I swear to fuck, they’d better not do the Jocasta is secretly having a relationship with Ulysses. Because not only is that fucked up on its own, but now if she’s banging Murtz, it makes her even more garbage, because not only does she enslave people, and bangs someone she technically owns, but she’s also a cheater.
Also, is Jocasta only against sex outside of marriage for women who have never been married before? (And I specify women since Murtagh has never been married and she’s not giving him any shit...) Or is she only against it if it results in a pregnancy?
“Jenny will be totally cool with this. Yup. Jenny will totally get it and be absolutely fine with this whole situation.” Are you fucking kidding me?
Jamie deserves all of these punches, but Roger remains the worst.
The difference between Young Ian running the gauntlet and Roger running the gauntlet is striking. Young Ian knows that this is his one chance to prove himself to the Mohawk and he is not throwing away his shot.
Young Ian smiling when the Mohawk accept him is like the only thing in this episode that makes me feel things. Because like this kid is the youngest of a whole squad of siblings and has always been the awkward one who gets into shenanigans accidentally, so like it’s really nice to see him being accepted into a group on his own merits.
“Because she said terrible things and turned ye against me.” Weird way to say “because she told you the truth about how awful I am and made you realize that I am, in fact, the actual worst,” Roger.
He’s never going to apologize, is he. Of course not.
“How could you think such a thing?” “Well, you see, my daughter apparently doesn’t care enough about you to tell me anything about who you are. And you’re enough of a dick that her servant thought you were a rapist. Because, you *are* a dick. And I’m enough of an asshat that I sell into slavery first and never ask questions later because lol toxic masculinity is grand.”
“I left because she told me to go. She actually told me not to come in the first place. And I was an asshole to her in our own time. And then I was an asshole again to her in this time. And really I should just fuck all the way off because I’m the worst and she deserves better and has made it clear that she isn’t down for how I’m treating her. But nope. Why do that when we can forget she ever had any issues with me so I can play the victim card forever and then get welcomed back into her life no problem.”
“But even then, I came back for her. Even though, again, she made it clear she didn’t want me.”
I hate Roger so much. He is literally more worked up over the fact that it was fucking Bonnet who raped Bree and how Bonnet made him sail to Philly than he is about Bree being raped. What the actual fuck, bro.
“Somewhere between here and Fraser’s Ridge. You know, casually somewhere on the eastern seaboard. Really narrows it down.”
“I don’t think you can go through with a child.” They keep saying that but like they have no proof of it? Are they really just saying it so much to set up them doing just that in season six?
In this instant, Frank 2.0 is worse than the OG twatwaffle. Don’t worry, Frank is still the actual worst. He’s an emotionally abusive fuckwad and I hate him with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. But Roger here isn’t dealing with someone who left and fell in love with someone else and is having the child of the love of her life. He’s dealing with someone who was violently raped and is choosing to keep the child and love it on its own merits. And he’s fucking hesitating about whether or not he can live with that?! Are you fucking kidding me? Go fuck yourself, Roger. And then fuck all the way off. Because Bree already deserves better, but the fact that you need to fucking think about it, like she’s somehow not worthy of your love because of what she went through, is fucking irredeemable.
I. Hate. Roger.
ALSO! Can we fucking talk for a second about how they’re making Bree’s rape and pregnancy about fucking Roger? Not omg is she ok, not omg how is she coping, not omg is she getting the care and support she needs. No, none of that. Instead we get fucking “are you, a man, ok with this.”
But since we’re apparently making this all about good ol’ Rog. He literally two fucking minutes ago called Bree his wife. Like in sickness and health, richer or poorer, no matter fucking what, married. I know he didn’t fucking think he was going to stay in the past forever or to become a parent in this way, but guess what? LIFE IS FUCKING FULL OF SURPRISES. SHIT DOESN’T ALWAYS GO ACCORDING TO PLAN. YOU WANT TO SAY YOU’RE MARRIED TO BREE? THEN NUT UP OR SHUT UP, MISTER “I WANT ALL OF YOU.”
I HATE THIS FUCKING SHOW SO MUCH.
“And we will choose his birthday wisely, but ye can be sure the lad was born in wedlock.” Oh fuck off, Jocasta.
Thank fuck this season is over because the are they/aren’t they married whiplash about the handfasting is annoying af. Literally one scene ago Roger was saying she’s his wife and now they’re lying about birthdays because she’s not married.
Ok this is shallow but did they decide that Sophie could wear makeup this season and Caitriona could only have the bare minimum to try to make the age gap seem bigger? Because honestly, the difference in their faces is quite noticeable.
Unpopular opinion alert, but I’m totally fine with Claire and Jamie not being there for the baby’s birth. I mean, I’m kind of sad Claire wasn’t there. But she can be there for the next one. But like, Jamie hasn’t earned being with Bree in such a personal moment. Their relationship isn’t at that level.
“We told him everything. But since he’s the worst and loves the *idea* of you and not *you*, the truth was too much for his imaginary version of your relationship so he bounced. Like an asshole.”
We’re gonna be stuck with Bonnet for two more seasons, aren’t we. Ugh. They could have just killed him and been done with it, because honestly he’s not interesting enough to keep around, but the more they keep talking about how he died in the prison, the more it’s basically guaranteed that he’s going to show back up...
I’m glad Claire and Bree get a moment alone, tbh. But Bree will be “surrounded by family” at the Ridge? Really? Because pretty sure it’ll just be you and Jamie now. Since Ian is gone. And Roger went AWOL. And who knows where Murtz is gonna go...
They really love using no dialogue dinners instead of doing actual work on the characters’ relationships with each other this season, don’t they. Le sigh.
Cool that everyone is super down with Jocasta now. Because clearly ep. 4x02 didn’t happen.
Oh ffs. The literally did a running toward each other and meeting in the middle with a hug shot. Fucking kill me.
Ok, so Bree and Roger had a kind of flirty friendship that was basically just based around them both knowing about time travel. And then they sort of did the long distance relationship thing. And then Roger proposed in the most awful way possible, refused to listen to Bree’s very reasonable response, slut-shamed her for being ok with sex before marriage even though he himself had had sex before, was a dick to her when she tried to have another conversation with him, and then he followed her into the past when she expressly said not to and implied that she wasn’t planning to stay in the past permanently. Then we’re somehow expected to just accept that she’s over all of her reservations about marriage and Roger being the worst when she agrees to handfast with him, but then he’s the worst again and she rightly tells him to fuck off. And then he can’t decide if he can accept a woman he “loves” after she’s been raped?! And now we’re supposed to think that they belong together and should get the cheesiest, most cliché shot of all time? Are you fucking kidding me, show? How the fuck are we supposed to ship this?
Roger is the literal worst.
This isn’t earned at all and I hate it.
Also, wtf is up with this ending? Why not end it with Bree and Roger going back into the house?
Although, Claire’s face when Murcasta are forehead fucking is my everything.
Like there’s no reason to end on a cliffhanger that’s not even really a cliffhanger? Because like, we already know that Tryon was eventually going to call in this favor from Jamie? We’ve known this since they accepted the land grant? And like, the tension between Jamie and Murtagh over being a Regulator is already established and clearly Jamie isn’t going to actually kill Murtagh?
This is dumb. This show is bad. Thank fuck it’s Droughlander.
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4x12 episode thoughts
All right...so calling last week’s episode a breather ep was more apt than I anticipated.
Rebecca going off therapy in the flush of a new relationship - oh no. Though I am interested that they rerouted back to her rocky relationship with drugs again and her finally overcoming that. I was so proud of her by the end, resolving to go through and keep up the work for her BPD
Happy to see Dr Akopian again, even if this therapy session was a little more trying.
I’m glad she had fun at Raging Waters, but I really wish she had gone with Josh or her girls instead where they would have been able to have fun together. I appreciate that Greg wanted to be sweet and be with her somewhere she wanted to be, but I think this was the wrong venue to be unenthusiastic.
Greg was trying to be a good boyfriend too, asking her about how she was feeling, so that they can be healthy together, but there will still be ups and downs and I think they both miscalculated Raging Waters here.
I still feel like the Marco thing is kind of unresolved, so that kept sticking at the back of my mind, even when I didn’t want it to.
Costume detail: Rebecca’s Raging Waters shirt has a similar cut to her dress from Jayma’s wedding! Or it looked like one to me anyways.
“Leaving, that’s a classic Greg move” - OUCH
I liked “ova-ry-acting” though. Good word play.
“I Hate Everything But You” is AMAZING and Skylar Astin absolutely rocked it. Loved the sleeveless jean jacket and the leather jacket and the fact he cannot play a guitar. It was super cute.
“Case of the Mondays” - I just watched Office Space last week and laughed WAY too hard at seeing it come up again here. Must have been a Whitefeather thing.
I really liked Nathaniel showing concern for Paula, both by being way too blunt and also offering his office for her to rest.
Though...your uncle’s island for your bar, really, Nathaniel? As much as I appreciate that you appreciate that Paula is doing a lot of work, that is absurd.
Paula really didn’t look good, and I’m glad she had so many people in her life all trying to ask her to look after herself.
Female heart attack symptoms being different like that just utterly terrifies me. You can walk around with one for 18 hours? Yikes.
Scott really stepped up to the plate, pushing her to go to the doctor’s. Their marriage has gotten so much better over the last few seasons and I love every instance of it.
Also loved that Mrs Hernandez is mildly interested in seeing Paula topless. Also her advice on having gone through menopause herself - I love all of the inter-generational female friendships on this show
“I’m Not Sad, You’re Sad” sounds like a genre I listened to way too much of when I was in college. I did love the leather jacket look, even if I was sad about her mental state.
A billion drinks = three drinks. Story of my life.
Rebecca going to see Nathaniel was...all kinds of Not OK. The guy literally just told her a few weeks ago that he was letting her go, and then showing up on his doorstep and trying to talk him into sex by saying she still thought about him was a pretty low move.
Never expected to hear another reference to “Strip Away My Conscience” - that was a pleasant surprise, also made me laugh
“Who is the man of my dreams” - good episode title callback though, always happy to see it
It was pretty much guaranteed that Nathaniel was gonna turn her down, even beyond his “being a better person” thing, since all of the men on this show, even Trent, are good about consent, and Rebecca was clearly very drunk.
But I did like that he seemed to realize pretty quickly that whatever Rebecca wanted wasn’t going to be something he was down for.
Rebecca attempting to seduce Josh - also so many shades of Not OK
I love that she’s still “theater girl” to him
I do love their friendship...still wondering if they are going to go try to do something by referring back to their relationship, but while Josh loves Rebecca as a friend (and he’s a good one! they make good friends), they just haven’t circled around to it yet. Will they? We do not know yet.
WHEN ARE THEY GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO THE JOSH/GREG THING? NEXT EP? I HOPE IT’S NEXT EP
Good to see Dr Shin again! Missed your handsome face.
“Darkness” - it’s a pretty song about something terrible, and honestly I am glad to hear Rebecca singing more again.
That ending scene between Rebecca and Paula was so lovely. They haven’t spent a whole lot of time together this season, but I always am happy to see them interacting and can’t wait to see what that means for next episode.
lol at there being two Dr Roths
While seeing Rebecca backslide was pretty surprising to me, I really liked how it was handled and the resolution for it.
#ceg spoilers#season 4#episode thoughts#long post#le gasp i actually wrote this faster than usual!#actually watched it on the night it aired for once#crazy ex girlfriend
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New maos tag game!
S.H.I.E.L.D. - 5 Seasons – 110 Episodes – 25 Questions
No ship specific questions, no character specific questions. This is just to get us thinking about the show as a whole during this long hiatus when lots of us will be doing rewatches. Wiki is probably going to be your friend. Don’t rush yourself! Think back through the show. We might see some unique answers and get reminded of forgotten episodes.
I’ll start!
Rules – Copy and fill out the list using episodes from the entire show (through the season 5 finale). You must have at least one episode from each season. You can use the same episode no more than 5 times. Including commentary about your episode choices is encouraged! Tag five people.
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Episode you rewatch the most - 1x13 or 2x4 - (I truly don’t know which one I rewatch more.)
Episode with the best use of flight - 3x18 The Singularity - (It would never work because physics, but dang did the Zephyr look cool)
Episode that is your personal favorite - 4x3 Uprising - (I don’t have an absolute favorite, but I just love this ep. So much was happening and it went round and round through all the plotlines so well. All the characters had big stuff happening.)
Episode with the best use of undercover - 3x8 Many Heads, One Tail - (Hunter and Bobbi murdered me with this)
Episode you think is the overall best - 4x15 Self Control - (Suspense, plot twists, powerful dialogue, tears. It had it all. Absolutely blew me away.)
Episode where you cried the most - 3x13 Parting Shot - (Somehow I think this will be a common answer…)
Episode with the best opening scene - 5x1 Orientation - (That cold-open was amazing)
Episode with the best fight scene - 2x4 Face My Enemy - (May vs May is just that iconic)
Episode where you were most scared/creeped out - 1x14 T.A.H.I.T.I. - (That reveal was awful and nightmare inducing)
Episode with the best musical motif - 3x10 Maveth - (No doubt about it. That cinematic piece was incredible and the reprise in the 100th killed me.)
Episode that made you like a character you hadn’t before - 1x21 Ragtag - (I think this was where I really started to like Skye.)
Episode with the best plot twist - 4x14 The Man Behind the Shield - (Nothing in the show has filled me with such plummeting dread as the ending of this ep.)
Episode that made you feel sympathy for a black-hat character - 5x18 All Roads Lead - (Shield is good at this in general, but I was never expecting to feel a thing for Hale and they sure proved me wrong.)
Episode you found most unique - 3x5 4,722 Hours - (This ep just really stands out. I was confused and then totally sucked in.)
Episode with the best Marvel movie reference - 1x17 Turn, Turn, Turn - (That ep is still so chilling.)
Episode with your favorite one-episode character - 1x9 Repairs - (Hannah Hutchins was so very sympathetic and the conversations we saw between her and Skye and also her and May gave us so much. This is pretty much where I knew May was going to be one of those characters who owned my heart forever.)
Episode that made you laugh the most - 5x11 All the Comforts of Home - (Ignoring the last 8 minutes, I laughed at everything. The shitty van, tree-hugging, Sinara Smith…)
Episode that first got you hooked on the show - 1x6 FZZT - (I think that was the first episode they really hit their stride. They went from hit-and-miss and a little cheesy to amazing plot and many tears.)
Episode with the best use of “b-squad” characters - 4x12 Hot Potato Soup - (I love the Koenigs)
Episode with the best death scene - 4x22 - (Racliffe’s death was perfection)
Episode with the coolest gadget/technology - 4x20 Farewell, Cruel World! - (AIDA’s creeptastic 3D printer, the energy shield, the LMDs. There was so much.)
Episode with the best VFX - 5x1|2 - (That was seriously like a movie.)
Episode that made the best use of your favorite character - 5x21 The Force of Gravity - (Melinda May just killed it this ep, planning, sympathy, awesome fight, smiles, blew up a spaceship. Just killed it.)
Episode with the most heart-warming scene - 5x12 The Real Deal - (Everything. Coulson and Daisy. Coulson and May. Deathlock. The wedding. I watched it three times in one night.)
Episode with the best use of the S.H.I.E.L.D. symbol - 1x18 Providence - (The use of the Shield badge was just really good)
Tagging @ussjellyfish @whistlingwindtree @weareagentsofnothing @skylandmountain1013 and @florchis to get us started!
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SCORPION: ”PARALLELS”- S4 FINALE VERSUS OTHER EPS
AN “ANALYSIS” POST... THAT IS INCOMPLETE:
SEASON 4/S4 FINALE VS PAST SEASONS/EPS/S3 FINALE:
in S4 finale (a lie in the sand) we get Walt being “buried alive”under sand...and the team digging him up VS in S3 finale we have Ralph & Scotty being buried alive and being rescued by the team
in S3 finale we have a parents/kids theme and a guest character (Scotty,the PIlot) protecting Ralph while a team member/Paige thanking them for it VS in S4 penultimate ep, 4x21 we have parents/kids theme and a guest character (Kenny’s dad) protecting Ralph while the team/Paige is protecting theirs (Kenny). Even the lines spoken by characters are almost identical at one point.
in S4 finale we have the team divided and working against each other... in he end VS in S3 finale we have a team divided and Sly and Ralph addressing the issue, and all agreeing that the team is the best when working together, united, not in parts/divided. The same plot with minor changes. So...Scorpion is a team divided #SlyPredictedThis
in S4 finale we have Ralph missing (with no mentions of him) throughout the episode.. as the team is fighting/splitting up/divided VS in S3 finale we have Ralph “missing” and working alone to save them and reunite the team (when he “steals” the crank & goes to the beach & then later his speech about their childish behaviour)
in S4 finale we have an actual 2 week timejump in the end... between the team split and the reveal of 2 teams (The Gettleman Pitch) VS in S3 finale we have a promise of a 2-week time jump & vacation time for all team members, when Quintis say they are taking their honeymoon time off now... and not to be contacted for 2 weeks
in S4 finale we have a theme of keeping secrets (again..like in many eps/during many plots in the past: S1/S1 end plot:1x21 Walt/Cabe and Baghdad, S2 finale/ep 304: secret green-card marriage, S3: 303/322 space love confession, S3 finale “i have a past”)
in S4 (season 4B: eps 417, 419, 421) Sly is engineering a water filter system that gives you drinking water purer than the LA tap water VS in S3 finale Walt/Happy/The Team engineer a water pumping system which gives them cleaner driningwaterthan LA has.
in S4 finale we hear about Sly’s writing, about his pen-pal Alex and his letters to him, where he bends the truth a bit VS in S3 finale we see Sly writing.. a journal/book.. about their island adventures. While on the island,and after... Sly is the narrator of the story here. #SlyTheStoryTeller
in S4 finale Paige comments that Walt’s EQ went from ”age 9″ when they met in 2014 and she started coaching him to “age 15″ (or so)... now. This fits with my estimate that Ralph was 9, when the show started/we met him & would be around 15 in he series finale...if there was a 6-season plan for the show...
OTHER SMALL DETAILS:
Walter and head injuries: S1 finale/S2 premiere car accident, 2x19 car crash (”I have a bump”), 3x03 major trauma (spacefall), 3x22 hitting his head (fall in the biodome), 4x02 inhaling toxins, 4x12 head trauma (fall from stairs), 4x16 injuries from jumping from a chopper/building.... to name the biggest”head bumps”
S4 premiere starts seemingly right after s3 left off, and it starts with Walt daydreaming... (the musical number) only... is he? Because later in the episode 401-402 he has similar visions, only now it’s “hallucinations” due to the toxic gas inhaled
in the S3 finale a radio plays a part in the ”how to get off this island” plan. The RADIO EXPERT and ex team-member is one Mark Collins.
Flo’s speciality is CHEMISTRY!
Collins setup the doubt in Walt & Paige’s (teams) minds in S4 premiere about their differences and they voiced their concerns regarding it all in season 4A. In season 4B he was “forgotten” (no mentions of him since the trial, no mentions of CLAM, no nothing... quiet before the storm), and the IQ/EQ issue was re-set with another plot for some reason...instead of using the original seed of doubt (do they really think the audience’s memory span is that short that they can’t use the premiere idea to lead to the finale reveal... even if the man himself can’t be present?) Why the double re-set?
Biggest mysteries of S4 finale: why not bring fuel (at least ”emergency” amount) with them from the US if time is of the essence & “fuel is running out”? Why, as usual with this team, go into unpredictable situations, unprepared? (answer: then the “suspense” of the “mission” would not happen for regular viewer... who get sucked into the story...)
Biggest mysteries of S4 finale: What purpose (other than the writers really not knowing what to write and hence going back to the most boring plot device.. creating a sort of love triangle... even if fake.. like Chet/Happy/Toby was in s2... ) did Flo’s “confession” about developing feelings have? None...besides used as a plot device.. either for the “loved-by-TV-writers-but-actually-most-boring-and-uninteresting-plot” and/or to just make the waitress more insecure OR an actual twist reveal setup. (this goes together with: Why would mr. 197 include the chemist in the new team...other than it’s most convenient and wanting to hurt the waitress back..aka more childish behaviour from both sides... and why did everything seem so perfectly in place... as if it was all planned?
There are ton of small fun “parallels”and “similarities” between S4 and past episodes, and between just eps in general... Use of same themes, same plots... (as usual for network TV... things get “repeated”)
#CBS SCORPION#TEAM SCORPION#SCORPION#SCORPION S4 FINALE#SCORPION SEASON 4 FINALE#THEORY#JUST FOR FUN#SCORPION 4x22#4x22#A LIE IN THE SAND#THIS IS VERY RANDOM#I AM POSTING THIS FROM THE DRAFTS IN THIS INCOMPLETE FORM
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The Sunnydale Herald, Sunday, April 3rd
Giles: Willow, it's-it's me. Something's happened. I need your help. I can't see very well. Everything's blurred. I'm certain it's a spell of some kind, because.. well..it seems something else is going wrong... Buffy: Here you go... 98.6! Giles: ... horribly wrong.
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Westallen Fanfiction | Smut-By-Ep
An official sign up list. If you are super psyched for the fic idea I posted and would like a chapter dedicated to you (which would include your input on the content if you like!), plz either reply to this post, send me an ask, or DM me with your enthusiasm and your request (prepare some back-ups in case someone else snatches your chosen episode first!).
I’m EXCITED!!! :D
1x01 - Pilot [TAKEN] (Posted) 1x02 - Fastest Man Alive (Posted) 1x03 - Things You Can’t Outrun [TAKEN] (Posted) 1x04 - Going Rogue [TAKEN] (Posted) 1x05 - Plastique [TAKEN] (Posted) 1x06 - The Flash is Born 1x07 - Power Outage 1x08 - Flash vs. Arrow 1x09 - The Man in the Yellow Suit [TAKEN] 1x10 - Revenge of the Rogues 1x11 - The Sound and the Fury 1x12 - Crazy for You 1x13 - The Nuclear Man 1x14 - Fallout 1x15 - Out of Time 1x16 - Rogue Time [TAKEN] 1x17 - Tricksters 1x18 - All Star Team Up 1x19 - Who is Harrison Wells? 1x20 - The Trap [TAKEN] 1x21 - Grodd Lives 1x22 - Rogue Air 1x23 - Fast Enough
2x01 - The Man Who Saved Central City 2x02 - Flash of Two Worlds [TAKEN] 2x03 - Family of Rogues 2x04 - The Fury of Firestorm 2x05 - The Darkness and the Light [TAKEN] 2x06 - Enter Zoom 2x07 - Gorilla Warfare 2x08 - Legends of Today 2x09 - Running to Stand Still 2x10 - Potential Energy 2x11 - The Reverse-Flash Returns 2x12 - Fast Lane 2x13 - Welcome to Earth-2 [TAKEN] 2x14 - Escape from Earth-2 [TAKEN] 2x15 - King Shark [TAKEN] 2x16 - Trajectory 2x17 - Flash Back 2x18 - Versus Zoom 2x19 - Back to Normal 2x20 - Rupture 2x21 - The Runaway Dinosaur [TAKEN] 2x22 - Invincible [TAKEN] 2x23 - The Race of His Life
3x01 - Flashpoint [TAKEN] 3x02 - Paradox 3x03 - Magenta 3x04 - The New Rogues [TAKEN] 3x05 - Monster 3x06 - Shade 3x07 - Killer Frost 3x08 - Invasion! 3x09 - The Present [TAKEN] 3x10 - Borrowing Problems from the Future 3x11 - Dead or Alive 3x12 - Untouchable [TAKEN] 3x13 - Attack on Gorilla City 3x14 - Attack on Central City [TAKEN] 3x15 - The Wrath of Savitar 3x16 - Into the Speed Force 3x17 - Duet [TAKEN] 3x18 - Abra Kadabra 3x19 - The Once and Future Flash [TAKEN] 3x20 - I Know Who You Are [TAKEN] 3x21 - Cause and Effect [TAKEN] 3x22 - Infantino Street 3x23 - Finish Line [TAKEN]
4x01 - The Flash Reborn 4x02 - Mixed Signals [TAKEN] 4x03 - Luck Be a Lady [TAKEN] 4x04 - Elongated Journey Into Night [TAKEN] 4x05 - Girls Night Out [TAKEN] 4x06 - When Harry Met Harry 4x07 - Therefore I Am 4x08 - Crisis on Earth-X, Part 3 [TAKEN] 4x09 - Don’t Run 4x10 - The Trial of the Flash 4x11 - The Elongated Knight Rises 4x12 - Honey, I Shrunk Team Flash 4x13 - True Colors 4x14 - Subject 9 4x15 - Enter Flashtime 4x16 - Run, Iris, Run 4x17 - Null and Annoyed
*Post will be updated as new titles are revealed and people have sent in their requests (and as chapters are written & posted).
#westallen#fanfiction#request list#smut by ep#some of these titles will srsly test my creativity#but we'll see!!
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Arrow Fic: Bitches Getting Stuff Done 1/1
Bitches Getting Stuff Done Set post-4x12; no spoilers for future eps. Inspired by a thought I had after last night’s ep. Thanks to @acheaptrickandacheesyoneline for reading this over and cheering me on!
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Dinah had worked in teams and with partners. She had worked with women before, too. And speaking not just about herself, female cops? They were the ones with the reputation. The ones that everyone, from low-level toughs to big bads, knew not to mess with.
But she was still pretty shocked to realize that tonight, she was here to be the buffer. To play the good cop. Because who would think the girly-pretty blonde tech genius and the brunette former party girl/current mayoral chief of staff would be playing so close to the edge?
Maybe it had something to do with the fourth woman, the woman they were here to deal with tonight. The woman currently zip-tied to a chair in the middle of this dingy, cold warehouse.
This was not how Dinah expected her night to go. Her plans had been simple: go to the lair with her dinner of extra-spicy dan dan noodles, put in some more work on controlling her cry, and then do some kickboxing. A good Friday night, really. Part of her new routine--a good routine, really. One that made her feel grateful to Oliver for persisting with her, even when she also wanted to knock him upside his head for all the brooding.
Still, he was a good man and she was grateful, and she was finding the whole ‘having a routine’ thing pretty appealing. So she was really surprised when she stepped into the lair to see Felicity there.
Well, not really surprised, as if she hadn’t expected to see Felicity here. Understandably, Felicity was around a lot. Curtis and Rory and Rene had all filled her in about Felicity and Oliver being together but not anymore--something Dinah had been able to figure out within about five minutes of seeing the two of them together--and how Oliver had accidentally killed Felicity’s new boyfriend, thanks to the manipulation of Prometheus. Which made her understand, a bit more, why Oliver was so freaked out by the guy. Felicity herself had been polite to Dinah--not what you would call friendly, but it was pretty clear the blonde had a lot on her mind, so Dinah didn’t take it personally. It could take time for friendship to form, but since they were the only two women on the team, Dinah knew that at some point, it would happen.
Women had to have each other’s backs, especially in a room full of dudes.
This wasn’t the first time Felicity had put in more hours than the rest of the team, so Dinah hadn’t been too shocked to see Felicity in the lair when she arrived. But the woman sitting next to Felicity? She was a stranger to Dinah, but in that nagging way of not being a stranger, either.
That was why Dinah kind of froze after taking three steps off the elevator. The thumping of her boot heels had immediately drawn the other women’s attention, making Dinah feel awkward.
Especially with the guilty looks on both Felicity and the stranger’s faces. ��Which made Dinah feel curious and awkward.
“Um, sorry, Felicity--I can--” Dinah began, for some reason gesturing towards the elevator with the hand holding her bag of food.
“No--no, come on in, Dinah,” Felicity said, still looking furtive. “This is Thea. She’s Oliver’s sister.”
That explained why the fine-boned brunette looked familiar, Dinah realized. This time, she held out the hand that wasn’t carrying her spicy noodles and shook Thea’s hand. “It’s nice to meet you.”
“Nice to meet you, too, Dinah,” Thea replied, a flicker going through her eyes. A flicker that made Dinah suspect she had also known that Dinah Oliver had mentioned knowing.
“If you two need me to leave, I can,” Dinah offered, but Felicity shook her head.
“No--no, it’s fine! We were just . . . having some girl talk.”
Arching an eyebrow, Dinah looked back and forth between the two of them. “You’re still friends after you broke up with Oliver?”
“Wow, that was . . . blunt,” Thea said, folding her arms over her chest. “You wanna ask how I feel about being a former drug addict next?”
“No, because I don’t know anything about that,” Dinah retorted, before she stopped and took a breath. “Sorry. I just don’t see the need to beat around the bush. And clearly I’m interrupting something you two are planning, so I’ll just see myself out.”
Felicity’s eyes widened, but to Dinah’s surprise, Thea grinned and nodded at her. “Direct. Nice.” Thea looked at Felicity and nudged her. “What do you think about . . .?”
“What?” Felicity asked, her eyebrows narrowed in confusion, but then she started shaking her head. “Oh, no. No no no. I think the cop might have issues with what we’re planning.” Felicity paused and flushed. “And I shouldn’t have said that out loud.”
This was making Dinah’s head hurt. “Former cop, remember? If I was still a cop, I’d have to turn myself in first for being a vigilante. So what’s going on?”
Thea looked at Felicity, who just sighed and threw up her hands. With another elfish grin, Thea turned to Dinah. “Do you know Susan Williams?”
Dinah frowned. “Oliver’s girlfriend Susan Williams? The reporter?”
“Yes, the reporter who has a boatload of evidence to show that not only is the Mayor of Star City a still-active member of the Russian mob, but that he’s also the Green Arrow, too,” Felicity said, sounding a bit hysterical.
It was a reaction Dinah could understand, at least partly. Because this was not good. She knew she had told Oliver to move on . . . but damn, did he have shitty luck or what? But Felicity sounded really, really upset. More than she should about an ex. Dinah eyed Felicity, then turned back to Thea. “So you want to stop her?”
Thea nodded. “I warned her not to play me again,” she said, the words simple but full of barely-concealed menace. There was a passion and commitment in Thea’s voice that made her rise in Dinah’s estimation. This wasn’t a woman to double-cross.
Neither was Felicity, Dinah knew. Not with how she had started going down a dark path in Russia, much to Oliver’s dismay and worry.
Dinah snagged one of the rolling chairs and sat down, plopping her bag of food into her lap. She dug through the bag for her chopsticks and opened up the container of noodles, feeling Felicity and Thea’s eyes on her. She looked up and met their gaze. “I’m gonna eat while you tell me the plan, okay?”
“Are you sure you want to be involved--” Felicity began to ask, but Dinah cut her off.
“Oliver gave me a chance. Besides, the last thing he needs is a girlfriend screwing him over,” Dinah said, holding Felicity’s eyes. Because she might be new to the team, yeah, but she had her own opinions on how things stood between Oliver and Felicity. And like she said, she didn’t beat around the bush.
Felicity’s chin lifted as she got a steely cast to her eyes, but she nodded.
“Good, we’re all in agreement,” Thea said. “Let’s get started.”
Sitting back, twirling her noodles around her chopsticks, Dinah listened and offered a few suggestions, but the plan was solid. So that was how her night changed, from what she planned into what was happening right now.
Namely, Susan Williams, zip-tied and blindfolded in front of her. In front of them.
“Ready?” Thea said under her breath, rolling her head from side to side and shifting back and forth on her feet. She was wearing a threadbare-looking red hoodie that was too big on her, as well as a red domino mask. A lethal-looking sword was held in one of her hands.
Dinah nodded. Suddenly, Felicity nudged her.
“What?” Dinah hissed.
“Breath mint,” Felicity whispered, holding an Altoids tin out to her. “There’s only one place in Star City to get dan dan noodles.”
Quirking an eyebrow, Dinah took the tin and popped a mint into her mouth. She rolled it around, letting it melt, while Felicity went back to tapping away on her tablet.
Since Dinah was the only one of the three whose voice Susan Williams wouldn’t recognize, she was the face woman, the one doing most of the talking. Which was probably for the best, because Dinah wasn’t sure Thea or Felicity could stay grounded through this--if either woman could keep their emotions from getting the better of them.
And she didn’t blame them. She wanted to pop Susan in the mouth, too. But that needed to wait until later. Once they knew they had her where they wanted her.
The mint had dissolved enough and Dinah tucked the remaining morsel in her cheek. She strolled forward, noticing how Susan’s head jerked up when she picked up the sound of the approaching footsteps. Dinah quirked her lips in a smirk and crunched loudly on her breath mint.
“Susan Williams, you have failed this city.”
XXX
Dinah was pretty good at this, Thea had to admit. Clearly, having an ex-cop was going to help the team with interrogating bad guys. Not that Ollie did a bad job with it--her brother could get downright scary. Unless you were his little sister and remembered how a fourteen-year-old Oliver had a crush on preschool Thea’s babysitter.
It had been fun to tease Ollie about that. It had always been fun to tease Ollie about girls. Even when it came to Susan, although Thea’s teasing had been more like warnings. Because she couldn’t flat-out tell her very stubborn, very heart-broken brother that Susan was bad news and he would be better off waiting for Felicity to inevitably come around. So Thea had given Susan a warning and tried to let her brother manage things on his own.
Well, this was the last time she let him do that. As soon as they dealt with Susan, she was going to sit down with Felicity, get her drunk, and make her admit she still had feelings for Ollie.
But first: Susan Williams.
Thea walked around Susan’s chair slowly, her steps sauntering and graceful. She swung her sword in a series of arcs, letting it whistle through the air. Occasionally, it went right past Susan’s head, and although the woman was trying really hard to hide her flinches, Thea could see them. And so could Dinah.
“How did you get the intel on Mayor Queen?” Dinah asked again. “You want to tell me, or should I bring in my associate?”
As if they had planned it, Thea sliced her sword through the air above Susan’s head. She made sure to keep enough space so that when Susan belatedly jumped, the sword was still nowhere near her.
Physical pain wasn’t the goal tonight. They needed to break the spirit, the will of Susan Williams.
Thea had warned Susan: if she crossed Thea again, she would be lucky to have a blog. It was time for her to see that Thea Queen hadn’t been the daughter of Moira Dearden Queen for nothing. There was no such thing as an idle threat to Thea’s mother.
And it was the same for Thea. Because just like her mother had protected her son, Thea was going to protect her big brother.
Susan was being stubborn, though. The woman gritted her teeth. “I told you. I will not reveal a source.”
“We’re not talking about getting thrown in a nice, cushy jail for contempt of court,” Dinah said, derision dripping from every word. “There’s no due process here, Ms. Williams.”
“All the more reason to stand fast on my principles,” Susan said mulishly. “I’ve done nothing wrong.”
Thea shook her head at Dinah, who understood the silent message to follow Thea towards the back, where Felicity was standing and still working on her tablet. “What?” Dinah asked.
“I got a tip from Ollie’s security detail. She slept with Ollie,” Thea said in a hushed voice. She saw how Felicity’s head jerked up, staring at Thea.
“I bet she did it to get more evidence,” Thea continued, keeping her eyes on Dinah.
Dinah nodded and walked back over towards Susan. Thea went to follow, but Felicity grabbed her elbow.
“Why didn’t you tell me that before?” Felicity asked, her cheeks flushed.
“I was hoping to not tell you like this,” Thea admitted. She eyed Felicity. “Why, are you bothered by Ollie sleeping with Susan?”
Behind her glasses, Felicity blinked, looking totally thrown by the question. Then she quickly shook her head and let go of Thea’s elbow, adjusting her grip on her tablet. “I--I should only need another few minutes to finish planting the altered files,” Felicity said, fumbling in the pocket of her coat and producing a flash drive. “Then I just press a button and she’s destroyed.”
“Gotcha,” Thea said with a nod. She stepped away, falling into position with Dinah again.
Dinah stalked around Susan’s chair. “You won’t give up your source. But you did more than just hire a private detective to dig up dirt on Mayor Queen, didn’t you?” Dinah asked.
“I won’t reveal anything about how I acquired--”
“You slept with him,” Dinah interrupted. “Don’t bother denying it. We know you have. It took some time to get him into bed, didn’t it? Must have really messed up your timeline.”
Susan’s mouth was hanging open and Thea smirked. She snapped her sword through the air sharply, jolting Susan into talking.
“That--my relationship with Oliver has nothing--it’s not like that,” she stuttered.
Letting out a sarcastic bark of laughter, Dinah leaned down, getting into Susan’s face. “You really expect me to buy that? C’mon, Susan. Girl to girl.”
With a grimace, Susan shook her head, as if she was trying to knock loose the blindfold. Thea stepped up and tightened it, making sure the cloth stayed in place. Then she watched in silent approval as Dinah cupped Susan’s face in her hand tightly, her fingers digging into Susan’s flesh.
“Tell us the truth,” Dinah ordered.
Susan yanked her head free of Dinah’s grip, melodramatically moving her jaw before speaking. “Sleeping with Oliver helped support my research,” she said calmly. “But that doesn’t mean I don’t have feelings for him.”
“Some feelings,” Dinah sneered.
Thea circled around to face Susan, gripping her sword tighter. Because how dare this woman take advantage of her brother? How dare this woman claim she had feelings for Ollie when she was building a case that would destroy everything he had built for himself?
The darkness she hadn’t felt for over a year, the darkness that set up an itch under her skin, rose inside Thea. She imagined lifting her sword and opening up slices on either of Susan’s cheeks. Letting the blood drip down her face, staining her smart white dress, looking like poppies on the snow.
Would that be enough to satisfy the beast inside her? Thea didn’t know. She doubted it. Because now she could see a horizontal slash across Susan’s neck. A deep one.
Sucking in a breath, Thea edged back from Susan and Dinah. With her free hand, she reached up and gripped the hoodie she was wearing. Roy’s hoodie. One she had stolen from him at some point when they were dating, one that she had never given back to him. It was what she wore when she needed to feel loved, no matter what.
She closed her eyes and breathed a few more times, only opening her eyes when she felt a hand on her back.
Twisting to look over her shoulder, Thea saw Felicity gazing at her. There was that soft, sympathetic expression on her face, the kind of expression Thea hadn’t seen on Felicity’s face in months. Since long before she broke up with Ollie.
“Are you okay?” Felicity whispered.
“We--we need to break her and fast,” Thea panted softly. “Or else my bloodlust is going to get the better of me.”
Felicity’s eyes widened in understanding and she nodded quickly. “Step back. I’ll take over.”
Thea did as Felicity said, edging towards the back wall. She didn’t know what Felicity was going to do, but she wasn’t sure if she was going to pull this off. Because what did Felicity know about being threatening and dangerous?
Maybe she had learned something from Ollie?
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Squaring her shoulders, Felicity looked down at her tablet. Everything was ready to take out Susan. It was just a matter of presenting the information, letting her realize her utter destruction and see what she would decide.
Felicity didn’t know how she wanted Susan to decide. If she wanted Susan to back down, to admit that her feelings for Oliver were stronger than a career-making story. Or if she wanted Susan to play chicken with them, to see if they could really wipe out Susan’s professional reputation.
And when she said ‘they’, Felicity meant her. If Felicity could wipe out another woman’s career, to take away her livelihood and passion.
Looking at the woman before her, her defiance rolling off her in waves, despite her crumpled white dress and disheveled hair, Felicity knew the answer.
When it came to Oliver, she would utterly destroy Susan Williams. But she wasn’t in a position to examine why she felt like she could do this for him.
She pressed the button on the collar of her dress. “Ms. Williams,” she said, her voice distorted to camouflage her identity. “Do you know who Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair, Jonah Lehrer, Fareed Zakaria and Maureen Dowd are?”
Dinah stepped back silently, providing backup and letting her run the show. Felicity’s eyes were locked on Susan, who had tilted her head at the sound of a new voice.
“They’re journalists,” Susan answered after a long moment.
“Correct!” Felicity said jauntily. “They have something else in common, though. Something very pertinent to our conversation today.”
Susan looked like she had sucked on a lemon. “They were all accused of plagiarism. But that’s not pertinent. I’m not a plagiarist.”
“Aren’t you?” Felicity asked, walking around Susan, her heels clicking against the floor of the warehouse. “Because . . . oh, my. It looks like suddenly, there are going to be several questions raised about your past work. It appears that your portfolio is just riddled with fabrications and lack of complete attribution and copying material from other publications.”
“That’s not possible,” Susan said, raising her chin. “You would have to radically rewrite content--but there are always print copies to back me up.”
Felicity smirked. Susan had walked right into Felicity’s trap. Because yes, she was right. There were print copies . . . of the articles she had written.
“That’s true. In those cases, I just appended some corrections to certain articles in their online archives. Corrections that weren’t able to make it into the final print copy,” Felicity explained.
Susan frowned. Dinah moved towards Felicity, her back to Susan as she whispered, “Is that going to be enough?”
Felicity held up a finger, asking Dinah to let her continue. The other woman nodded and took another step back.
“If you think that’s enough to get me a reputation as a plagiarist--” Susan began, but Felicity interrupted her.
“That’s just the start, though. Certain of your broadcasts have been edited, modified, finessed to appear like other reporters’ work. Other reports now have a distinct appearance of favoritism. Which will be backed up by the financial paper trail I created,” Felicity continued.
The reporter’s mouth dropped open, her head moving in a slow shake of her head. Like she didn’t want to believe it. “W-what?” she gasped.
“Plagiarism isn’t enough to destroy you, Ms. Williams,” Felicity said. “You could come back from that--Maureen Dowd did, Fareed Zakaria did. But combined with allegations of influence peddling and bribery? That will wipe you out, don’t you think?”
Dinah grinned and nudged Felicity, drawing her attention. Looking over, Felicity smiled at the sight of Dinah giving her a thumbs up. Then she turned her head as she heard Thea’s soft footsteps. The younger woman looked steadier, not in the grips of her bloodlust. And she was smiling at Felicity, looking impressed.
Returning her gaze to Susan, Felicity felt an incredible sense of gratification. Because as great as the approval of her team felt, it felt even better to see Susan clearly on the verge of losing it. Her face was going red and she was yanking on her bindings.
“You can’t do that--it’s not true--it won’t hold up!”
“Oh, you don’t see what I do,” Felicity said. “A push of the button, and it all goes live, and a full dossier goes to all your former employers, as well as Channel 52 News here in Star City. And oooh, if I see a button, I just want to press it!”
Felicity could hear that manic edge in her voice that she got whenever she quoted--or in this case, paraphrased--the Doctor, but she felt a bit manic. Because she knew she had Susan.
“You--you--you bitch!” Susan sputtered.
Grinning, Felicity remembered the last time she had been called a bitch by someone who she was interrogating. She could still remember Digg’s grin at her response.
“Bitch with wifi,” Felicity replied. “So, you will turn over every bit of intel you uncovered about Mayor Queen. Every scrap of paper, every single hard copy document. All your online versions are already permanently deleted, by the way. You will mail your files to this address,” Felicity said, nodding to Dinah who moved forward to stick the address, written on an index card, into one of Susan’s hands.
“If you agree, and guarantee that you will never share your knowledge with anyone else, that no one will ever know what you’ve learned about Mayor Queen . . . nothing will happen to your career. We won’t even interfere with your relationship with Mayor Queen. Although I’d advise you to reconsider your relationship with him,” Felicity said, that last sentence not part of the plan but just tumbling out of her mouth.
Swallowing, Felicity lifted her chin. “Do we have an agreement?”
Susan Williams had a pretty good poker face. But Felicity Smoak had grown up in Vegas, and the gamblers there would have eaten Susan for breakfast. So she knew before the woman had opened her mouth that she was going to agree.
“Fine,” Susan said, her voice full of barely-concealed rage. “I’ll give up my hard copies and not publish anything about what Mayor Queen’s past is or how he spends his nights.”
Felicity nodded to Dinah, who cut the zip ties and then marched Susan out of the warehouse, to the car that was waiting to take her back to Star City. It wasn’t until Dinah came back inside that Felicity relaxed, her shoulders sagging.
“Do you think she’ll follow through on her side of the bargain?” Dinah asked as she approached them.
“She better, or else I’ll just press this button,” Felicity said, gesturing to the screen of her tablet.
“How did you do all that?” Thea asked, trying to get a look at the screen. “I mean, I know you’re the best, Felicity, but you did all that so quickly.”
Pasting on a grin, Felicity casually unplugged the flash drive from her tablet and tucked it into her pocket. “Oh, I asked for help from a few of my contacts.”
Dinah’s gaze sharpened on Felicity, but then she nodded and stretched out one of her hands, palm down. “I don’t think Williams will be giving us any problems.”
Thea grinned and covered Dinah’s hand. “And hopefully she’ll be breaking up with Ollie really soon.”
Both of them turned to look at Felicity, who felt her smile grow more natural. “To bitches getting shit done,” she said, putting her hand on top of the pile.
All of them laughed and chanted in unison, “To bitches getting shit done!”
It was a moment of connection, of sharing. A perfect time for Felicity to reveal, to two women who understood darkness, just what she had done.
But instead, she kept her mouth shut.
End.
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