#eoi henry

[harperglitterheart]

Reupload of a 2020 image (or whatever year it was I drew it)

[wonder-worker]

The irony of people claiming that Margaret of York supported various Pretenders against Henry VII due to her alleged undying love for Richard III is that Perkin Warbeck masqueraded as Richard of Shrewsbury, aka Edward IV's second son who had been declared illegitimate by his uncle. Supporting him would literally amount to a denial of those allegations and an invalidation of Richard III's entire claim to kingship.

It's almost as though Margaret had other reasons to challenge Henry VII. Like, idk, BURGUNDIAN INTERESTS, HER OWN ECONOMIC INTERESTS AND HER LOYALTY TO HER ADOPTED FAMILY BY MARRIAGE.

(Also, Maximilian was the one deciding Burgundian foreign policy, not Margaret, but that's another matter)

[harritudur]

modern-au henry & lizzie

[fideidefenswhore]

The queen had fallen pregnant very soon after Henry's birth, and in June 1492 she began her fourth confinement at Sheen. This resulted in the birth of another daughter, Elizabeth, on 2 July. The event was tinged with sadness because the queen's mother had died a few weeks before, on 8 June. The royal nursery subsequently transferred to Eltham Palace, south-east of London. Eltham had been an important royal residence for almost 200 years, and the favourite home of the queen's father, Edward IV, who had built the magnificent great hall, which still survives today. Prince Henry would have been presented with a reminder of his maternal grandfather every time he visited the great hall because Edward's rose en soleil emblem was carved above the entrance.

Henry VIII & the Men Who Made Him, Tracy Borman

[wishesofeternity]

“Warwick launched his final bid at kingmaking, this time in alliance with Margaret of Anjou to restore Henry VI. He and Clarence landed in Devon while the King was in Yorkshire. Elizabeth (Woodville)’s initial reaction was to prepare for a siege in the Tower of London where she had already retired in expectation of the imminent birth of another child. But on 1 October news reached the capital that the King was preparing to set sail from Bishop’s Lynn, abandoning his kingdom. With no hope of imminent rescue, Elizabeth moved swiftly into the Sanctuary of Westminster Abbey with her mother and her daughters. She sent Abbot Thomas Millyng to advise the Mayor and Aldermen that she was surrendering the Tower, and consequently Henry VI, into their custody.

- J.L Laynesmith,  “Elizabeth Woodville: The Knight’s Widow” in “Later Plantagenet and Wars of the Roses Consorts” / “The Last Medieval Queens, English Queenship 1445-1503″

"Elizabeth (Woodville) at first fortified the Tower of London against the approaching Lancastrians, but then decided instead to hand over custody of the Tower to the mayor and aldermen of London while she went into sanctuary at Westminster Abbey. It was a move which not only protected her daughters, who were with her, but also saved London from attack, which perhaps explains some of the praise she later received. The author of 'The Historic of the Arrival of Edward IV, who claimed to have witnessed much of what he recorded, stressed

the right great trowble, sorow, and hevines, whiche [the queen] sustayned with all manar pacience that belonged to eny creature, and as constantly as hathe bene sene at any tyme any of so highe estate to endure; in the whiche season natheles she had browght into this worldc, to the Kyngs grcatystc joy, a fayrc son.

...When Edward (IV) arrived, there was a scene of family bliss, in which the queen's vulnerability and domesticity could be contrasted with his heroism.  The king was thus presented in an unusually human guise, which might appeal to readers familiar with such partings themselves throughout the civil wars:

The king comfortid the quene, and other ladyes ckc;  His swete babis ful tendurly he did kys;  The yonge prynce he behelde, and in his armys did bere. Thus his bale turnyd hym to blis.

[elephantlovemedleys]

If you were to fancast Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor in a Tudor period drama If it happened many years ago who would you see them as?

LOL im crying who sent this bahahahahaha

okay i will say based on the vibes of this photo of them i guess, i'd go for princess mary and charles brandon (plus as a moulin rouge enjoyer™️ i firmly believe they would've absolutely pulled off another secret romance taking place in another century kind of story)

[captainshadowgirllostfan]

Rewatching Spanish Princess again in only for EoY and King Henry VII. To see the continuation of their characters.

Remembering how cringe this show is

Never mind how bothersome I find the inaccuracies of this show, not even getting to how the introduction of the show, the first episode is sounded and narrated like a legit documentary.

Henry Tudor being 16 instead of 8

Writing love letters to CoA as a parallel to the love letters sent to Anne Bolyne.

EoY being very hostile to Catherine? Like....what?

Ugh I just gotta stop to write this because that last one bothers me sooo much. Ngl I do love how Jodie Comer acted with the character but I'm sorry in Spanish Princess, she's become a withering weed.

[backstreetsbackalright]

Heavy Rotation in 2023

Troth, “Days Became a Circle” (2023, Mammas Mysteriska Jukebox)

Yfory, “Baled Y Dolmen” (2023, Static Age)

Yo La Tengo, “Aselestine” (2023, Matador)

Tresa Leigh, “I Miss You” (1971, Great World of Sound/Efficient Space)

William Henry Meung, “Airport Song” (2023, Horn of Plenty)

Maxo, “Free!” (2023, Def Jam)

Marcellus Pittman, “Facid Trunktion” (2023, Acid Test)

billy woods & Kenny Segal, “Rapper Weed” (2023, Backwoodz)

Mal Waldron, “The Call” (1971, Japo)

Earl Sweatshirt, “Making the Band (Danity Kane)” (2023, Tan Cressida/Warner)

Jon Collin & Niclas Anderstedt Lindgren, “12:48” (2023, AKTI)

Purelink, “We Should Keep Going” (2023, Peak Oil)

K-Group, “Settings / Extension Pack” (2023, Knotwilg)

Laura Not, “Still Wading” (2023, phncrs)

Maxine Funke, “Cherry Blossom Gin" (2023, Disciples)

As always, art by MB.

[malkaleh]

So @boleynecklace asked what Elizabeth (1998) and The White Princess might look like in the Tudors OT3 universe and okay, THOUGHTS (please bear in mind I haven’t actually seen The White Princess or read it but I have vibes from gifs)

So the White Princess is kind of completely flipped on it’s head because I don’t know if this universes PGreggs can hate The Tudors so much here (although I don’t know, she might manage it! I think her Anne Boleyn hate might be transferred to Bessie Blount?) just because uh, yeah.

But also women in Philippa Gregory novels cannot be friends ever so unfortunately the Ultimate Evil is still Margaret Beaufort :sighs: because she manipulated and murdered when EOY/Henry VII/Richard III were in a very happy triad and she actually murdered her grandchildren! And also got Richard killed because she wanted to be the Power Behind The Throne. But it’s okay because it turns out Elizabeth Woodville and EOY saved Richard with their magic powers and so actually, Henry was a pure beautiful York Child and unfortunately Arthur died because Cursed Tudor Blood or something.

(Also Anne Neville is obviously an evil bitch as well).

Elizabeth (1998) is such a different movie though. I think it might start with Elizabeth being appointed as her brothers advisor (official) after her fathers unofficial abdication in 1556 - at this point she and Robert are married and have a four year old daughter Anne (Nanette).

Francis Walsingham, determined to make England Protestant and Mary of Guise who is determined to make sure her daughter marries Prince Thomas both agree that assassinating Princess Mihrimah is the best idea and Walsingham persuades Robert of this. (This did not happen in universe historically Robert Dudley is screaming from the afterlife at this movie).

This attempt does not work. Robert, frustrated at not having a son and feeling as though he should have more power, throws himself into an attempt to undermine Elizabeth and get her removed from the privy council (this is also wrong because Robert was also on the privy council and also I AM SUPPORTING MY WIFE he yells). It does not work and the movie ends with Elizabeth telling Robert that he will never see their children or her again when she presents him with their twin sons (we will ignore that they have two more children)

The general consensus is that the chemistry is incredible/the performances are amazing but we are ignoring the second half of the movie.

Send me a piece of Tudor Era Media (or Period Drama in general) (TV show/book/movie)) and I’ll talk about what I think it might be like in The Tudors OT3 verse

[wonder-worker]

damn, I really need to finish that post debunking some famous myths/misconceptions of the Wars of the Roses in 1483-85

[blackboar]

It is said that Elizabeth's pension, land, and expenses in York were very low, resulting in her often having to borrow money from others for a few pounds. Her personal wallet often only had a few pounds. Henry VII embezzled the land of the York family, and Elizabeth's sisters had no dowry and could only rely on the help of the queen. Henry VII gave Elizabeth very few gifts compared to other English kings, and how was Elizabeth's situation compared to other English queens and other countries? Is this true?

Wow, my first question ever! Thank you :)

Well, I need to tag @richmond-rex who's far more a Henry VII-Elizabeth of York expert than me, but I'll give my answer.

Elizabeth of York's finances were more than most of her predecessors a sensitive subject. Her marriage wasn't conventional as she was badly needed to legitimize her husband. Hence her treatment was to be even more sensitive than the treatment of a classic queen, usually of foreign origin. Perkin Warbeck and his entourage knew this, as he wrote in his manifesto alongside many grievances alleged mistreatment of his sisters, including Elizabeth.

Henry VII had a vested interest in having a queen capable of maintaining her rank because she was the bridge between him and the followers of Edward IV, who won't tolerate any perceived or actual mistreatment of their late ruler's daughter. Henry had a bumpy road in ensuring Elizabeth's funding as he inherited empty coffers from Richard III. Elizabeth Wydeville's early (or forced?) retirement in 1487 might have been a way to ensure her daughter's finances.

We don't have the greatest sources for late medieval times regarding finance, but we know that Elizabeth's holdings were significant. She did enjoy the traditional estates of English queens (around 10 000 marks), followed by numerous help and loans from her husband that weren't repaid. He also bought her numerous gifts (horses, jewellery, etc...). Elizabeth of York wasn't poor but she wasn't massively endowed either. We aren't sure whether there were moments of financial shortage for Elizabeth considering finance medieval bookkeeping mostly records spending way more than income. There could have been moments when her finances were strained and it's true that Elizabeth died in 1502, right when Tudor finances started to skyrocket. I do not know where you saw that EoY had less gifts from her husband compared to her predecessor. If you have a source, I'm interested! Otherwise, it's normal in medieval times to make small loans as people often didn't have cash immediately on hand and there could be short time of deficit. What we have about her finances and her patronage shows that she wasn't badly treated. As this issue is political, another proof is the reaction of the political community. Former Yorkists didn't complain about her treatment and didn't see her as mistreated, which is proof of good financial treatment. Her probable good relationship with her husband is another proof considering they wouldn't be so devoted toward each other if there were money issues. Recall that dysfunctional royal marriages impact their financial matters and vice-versa, from Isabel of France to Catherine of Aragon. I do not know how Elizabeth would compare to other queens, but she wasn't underfunded for her English predecessors and successors. She had more wealth than her mother, and slightly less advantages than Margaret of Anjou (who had tax franchises but was in a completely different situation) but more cash.

So my conclusion is that she wasn't financially mistreated and could maintain her rank. The idea that she was stems from Henry VII's rapacious reputation and accusations made by failed pretenders to separate Yorkist loyalists from Tudor rule.

Again, thanks for the question!

[fideidefenswhore]

Is it true that COA had more of a claim to the English throne than Henry or his father did?

only to C/OA stans…

[roseberry-creates]

guess who I drew? (with a few edits)

"miss me~?"

[heather123fan-blog]

Justice for Elizabeth of York! She was so important to the beginning of the Tudor Dynasty and I would argue a continuation of the Plantagenet dynasty. Her father's dynasty, his heir, and his legacy. He would have been so proud of her. If only she hadn't died in childbirth when she did I have feeling we would remember her very differently if she had lived into her son's reign. Either Arthur's or Henry VIII's. Elizabeth would absolutely be there to advise them and support them.

She should not be brushed aside and treated like a passive victim who had no agency of her own. I especially hate how her relationship with her mother Elizabeth Woodville is often demonized to make Richard III look better and Henry VII look bad. Her mother is made out to be a villain who is sometimes abusive towards her while Elizabeth of York the pure Yorkist Queen can do no wrong.

this sounds a little petty 😂 - or maybe it's a genuinely valid piece of frustration, idk - but whenever I see a list of Tudor queens or Tudor queen consorts and Elizabeth of York is either 1) not on the list or 2) regarded as one of the less "important" (what does that even mean? idk but people keep saying it) queens, it irritates me so much. You'd think people who care about the Tudors as a historical dynasty would give the first Tudor queen her due, but apparently the most she's good for is vague and rather inaccurate comparisons with Henry VIII's queens. Particularly Jane Seymour, even though I really don't think there's much of a "parallel" between the two women's personalities, queenship, marriages or even appearance at all.

Elizabeth was SO IMPORTANT for the inception of the dynasty. So damn important. Henry VII's route to kingship from 1483 did not begin with him. It didn't begin with him angling for the throne or people angling for his right to the throne. It began with Yorkist supporters trying to put the Princes on the throne and then beginning to consider their sister Elizabeth of York as the Yorkist heiress. Their loyalty to Henry VII was primarily as the future husband of Elizabeth of York, that's where he gained the majority of his new supporters, including William Stanley who was of immense, history-altering help in Bosworth, came from. (I thiiiink you had reblogged a post of yours with someone's additional added tags about this that framed it a lot better, recently but I can't find it rip). That is obviously not discounting Henry's competence or his capabilities or his victory, or Margaret Beaufort's admirable actions, but I just feel like Elizabeth of York's importance to the Tudor dynasty can never be overstated. Her position as his queen and wife were so important for his road to kingship AND the way he secured his reign and dynasty afterwards. Without Elizabeth of York, it's highly doubtful that Henry would have been able to gain the throne the way he did (at least, not without a significant more time, effort and a MUCH higher chance of failure) and it's also doubtful that he'd be able to secure it the way he did, because their unification from two opposing sides was a major factor in his propaganda and collective perception of their marriage, and the comfort, strength and support it evoked.

Obviously, this is within the bracket of the Tudor queens (because they're a very famous dynasty and all their queens are significantly better known than a lot of former or latter ones), but it's just frustrating??

again - I hope this doesn't sound very petty 😂

Hi! Sorry for taking so long to reply, but don't worry I get your frustration completely (and I share it too). I remember once seeing an incredibly pretty illustration for the Tudor consorts depicting all of Henry VIII's queens AND Philip of Spain..... and it didn't include Elizabeth of York. After Catherine of Aragon, Elizabeth was the longest reigning Tudor consort, being queen for no less than seventeen (17) years! She was immensely popular at her time which can be attested not only by the several presents she received from noble and common folk alike but also by the fact that she was the subject of a popular ballad that reimagined her as a romantic heroine (The Most Pleasant Song of the Lady Bessy), and the subject of songs during her lifetime. Her death was lamented by commentators from Ireland to Rome, and her reputation for charity was well-known. She was so popular in her time, it's a bit ironic that she has become, as Amy Licence puts it, 'the forgotten Tudor queen'.

(Of course, it's all relative as you said: we're talking about the Tudor perspective. Elizabeth is still more well-known than Philippa of Hainault or Anne of Bohemia, for example, if only because she's known in relation to the drama of her brothers and uncle, or because she's known as Henry VIII's mother).

In terms of importance, it's staggering how much her role has been downplayed. And I'm not only talking about the establishment of the Tudor dynasty, which is usually cited if only in brief terms. Her legacy lived on. As pointed out by Michelle Beer, for both Catherine of Aragon and Margaret Tudor, Elizabeth was the only queen consort whom they had experience observing, and her queenship style would have impacted their own. But going back to the establishment of her husband's reign, her importance was so much more than simply providing him with the supporters he needed (which is so often reduced to merely 'lifting a finger for a wedding ring'). I will never tire of pointing out Elizabeth's active participation in diplomacy, communicating with European princes in order to protect her husband's interests. If on one hand, Margaret of York was writing to the Pope asking him to lift his sanction of Henry VII, Elizabeth of York was writing to him to do exactly the contrary and reinforce his sanction.

She was an integral element of her husband's reign that went beyond her dynastic blood. Elizabeth provided a more human/accessible image at court celebrations and feasts, formal occasions and receptions of foreign delegations. Not for nothing, she was so frequently found at Henry VII's side on those occasions. Symbolically, she seems to have been greatly valued by Henry too, and I don't mean it simply by how her family symbol, the white rose, was integrated into official Tudor imagery. I'm also talking about how much weight he seems to have given to their union. In terms of art commissions done by Henry, their marriage was constantly alluded to in a way that referenced prophetic discourse: we have their marriage bed where Henry and Elizabeth are portrayed as the new Adam and Eve (Christ and the Virgin), the royal chapel at Greenwich where they were depicted holding hands (I will talk about it in the future), the family portrait where Henry and Elizabeth are depicted as if re-enacting their wedding vows, and even the shared tomb he commissioned.

Elizabeth of York was important and was valued on so many fronts, I daresay she was one of the most efficient queens in terms of successfully upholding her husband's reign. When it comes to Henry's ascension, I think Elizabeth and Margaret Beaufort might have been equally important (considering Margaret's articulation/funding and her claim from which Henry derived his own). But after Henry's ascension, my opinion is that Elizabeth was even more important for all the political, symbolic and of course, emotional support she provided her husband. They seem to have been a very effective partnership, and I doubt his reign would have been as successful as it was if it wasn't for Elizabeth.

So yeah, it is frustrating that she's not given the real importance that she's due when it comes to discussing Tudor history. Whenever she is talked about, she's so commonly relegated to a passive dynastic and decorative role, a trophy wife, it's insane.

[eve-to-adam]

Your Elizabeth of York art is absolutely stunning! All your art is, truly, and your love for EoY really shines through in all the details! 🩷 Thank you for taking from your time to share it with us! Your style and work are beyond wonderful! ✨️🤍

Hello! :D

I use this opportunity to thank you for all the times you reacted to my posts; I am very grateful for the support you give me regarding my art! <333333

Being a fan of the Plantagenet dynasty, I like to create, among other things, illustrations in which my favorite personalities from that period are represented, moments from their lives, be it political or domestic. So I made it a habit to illustrate their outfits, precisely in order that, when I have the time to make ​​an illustration, I can start it directly, without having to postpone the process in favor of thinking about the different pieces of clothing (although, always other outfits and combinations appear that take over my mind, so it is never certain what I will end up illustrating, ahahaha). That's how I ended up illustrating the first outfit of Elizabeth of York, which I made especially for a mini-comic, which I HOPE to finish in the near future; other things intervened in the meantime and I completely forgot about this one, lol. That was also the moment when I discovered how much I prefer the younger version of Elizabeth over the more mature one, so much so that it became a kind of obsession for me, haha. With all due respect to Henry VII, but for me she will always remain daddy's princess.

How long will this phase last? Nobody knows. But I am more than grateful, happy and excited for the support that you and other people offer me for this purpose! It's really comforting to find people with common interests with yours; so far, my experience in this community has been an extraordinary one, with nice people, who are very passionate about the medieval era or anything else equally interesting, and who always have useful / interesting information at hand.

You are the best!! <333

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