#eoi henry

[fideidefenswhore]

The queen had fallen pregnant very soon after Henry's birth, and in June 1492 she began her fourth confinement at Sheen. This resulted in the birth of another daughter, Elizabeth, on 2 July. The event was tinged with sadness because the queen's mother had died a few weeks before, on 8 June. The royal nursery subsequently transferred to Eltham Palace, south-east of London. Eltham had been an important royal residence for almost 200 years, and the favourite home of the queen's father, Edward IV, who had built the magnificent great hall, which still survives today. Prince Henry would have been presented with a reminder of his maternal grandfather every time he visited the great hall because Edward's rose en soleil emblem was carved above the entrance.

Henry VIII & the Men Who Made Him, Tracy Borman

[wishesofeternity]

“Warwick launched his final bid at kingmaking, this time in alliance with Margaret of Anjou to restore Henry VI. He and Clarence landed in Devon while the King was in Yorkshire. Elizabeth (Woodville)’s initial reaction was to prepare for a siege in the Tower of London where she had already retired in expectation of the imminent birth of another child. But on 1 October news reached the capital that the King was preparing to set sail from Bishop’s Lynn, abandoning his kingdom. With no hope of imminent rescue, Elizabeth moved swiftly into the Sanctuary of Westminster Abbey with her mother and her daughters. She sent Abbot Thomas Millyng to advise the Mayor and Aldermen that she was surrendering the Tower, and consequently Henry VI, into their custody.

- J.L Laynesmith,  “Elizabeth Woodville: The Knight’s Widow” in “Later Plantagenet and Wars of the Roses Consorts” / “The Last Medieval Queens, English Queenship 1445-1503″

"Elizabeth (Woodville) at first fortified the Tower of London against the approaching Lancastrians, but then decided instead to hand over custody of the Tower to the mayor and aldermen of London while she went into sanctuary at Westminster Abbey. It was a move which not only protected her daughters, who were with her, but also saved London from attack, which perhaps explains some of the praise she later received. The author of 'The Historic of the Arrival of Edward IV, who claimed to have witnessed much of what he recorded, stressed

the right great trowble, sorow, and hevines, whiche [the queen] sustayned with all manar pacience that belonged to eny creature, and as constantly as hathe bene sene at any tyme any of so highe estate to endure; in the whiche season natheles she had browght into this worldc, to the Kyngs grcatystc joy, a fayrc son.

...When Edward (IV) arrived, there was a scene of family bliss, in which the queen's vulnerability and domesticity could be contrasted with his heroism.  The king was thus presented in an unusually human guise, which might appeal to readers familiar with such partings themselves throughout the civil wars:

The king comfortid the quene, and other ladyes ckc;  His swete babis ful tendurly he did kys;  The yonge prynce he behelde, and in his armys did bere. Thus his bale turnyd hym to blis.

[elysabeththequeene]

If you were to fancast Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor in a Tudor period drama If it happened many years ago who would you see them as?

LOL im crying who sent this bahahahahaha

okay i will say based on the vibes of this photo of them i guess, i'd go for princess mary and charles brandon (plus as a moulin rouge enjoyer™️ i firmly believe they would've absolutely pulled off another secret romance taking place in another century kind of story)

[captainshadowgirllostfan]

Rewatching Spanish Princess again in only for EoY and King Henry VII. To see the continuation of their characters.

Remembering how cringe this show is

Never mind how bothersome I find the inaccuracies of this show, not even getting to how the introduction of the show, the first episode is sounded and narrated like a legit documentary.

Henry Tudor being 16 instead of 8

Writing love letters to CoA as a parallel to the love letters sent to Anne Bolyne.

EoY being very hostile to Catherine? Like....what?

Ugh I just gotta stop to write this because that last one bothers me sooo much. Ngl I do love how Jodie Comer acted with the character but I'm sorry in Spanish Princess, she's become a withering weed.

[backstreetsbackalright]

Heavy Rotation in 2023

Troth, “Days Became a Circle” (2023, Mammas Mysteriska Jukebox)

Yfory, “Baled Y Dolmen” (2023, Static Age)

Yo La Tengo, “Aselestine” (2023, Matador)

Tresa Leigh, “I Miss You” (1971, Great World of Sound/Efficient Space)

William Henry Meung, “Airport Song” (2023, Horn of Plenty)

Maxo, “Free!” (2023, Def Jam)

Marcellus Pittman, “Facid Trunktion” (2023, Acid Test)

billy woods & Kenny Segal, “Rapper Weed” (2023, Backwoodz)

Mal Waldron, “The Call” (1971, Japo)

Earl Sweatshirt, “Making the Band (Danity Kane)” (2023, Tan Cressida/Warner)

Jon Collin & Niclas Anderstedt Lindgren, “12:48” (2023, AKTI)

Purelink, “We Should Keep Going” (2023, Peak Oil)

K-Group, “Settings / Extension Pack” (2023, Knotwilg)

Laura Not, “Still Wading” (2023, phncrs)

Maxine Funke, “Cherry Blossom Gin" (2023, Disciples)

As always, art by MB.

[richmond-rex]

Hi so I have a couple questions on young Henry VIII and Henry VII that I haven't seen addressed in any Henry VII biographies. First do we know why Henry VII didn't marry again to try to have more sons after Arthur and EOY died? Was it just because of his grief over the loss of his wife do you think? Or something else?

Also why didn't Henry VII marry Henry VIII to someone before he himself died? I know they originally got the papal dispensation for Catherine of Aragon to marry young Prince Henry but than the betrothal was broken off after Queen Isabella died. I believe Henry VII began looking into a betrothal with Eleanor of Austria (her niece) and Queen Juana and Philip the Handsome's daughter after that. Do we know why he didn't pursue this further? This seems like it would have been a more ideal match given the similarity in their ages.

Hello! Sorry for taking so long to reply, I haven't had much access to my computer after working hours. The answer to your questions are kind of complex-y. Henry VII did try to marry after Elizabeth of York died, though closer inspection to what evidence we have is that he took at least a year and a half before considering taking another wife (the diplomatic correspondence also seems to coincide with the period when colourful clothes returned to his wardrobe). We don't have access to his thoughts and motivations — we don't know if his council persuaded him to overcome his grief or if he made up his mind himself after overcoming a period of mourning — but the main motivation for remarriage seems to have been diplomatic/trade alliances and economic advantages, far more so than companioship or even having new children.

Henry could have easily have married Ferdinand of Aragon's niece (the dowager queen of Naples) but the advantages she could have brought in terms of dowry and pre-existing dower, trade deals and diplomatic alliances must not have been very high. He seems to have been far more interested in marrying Margaret of Austria, dowager Duchess of Savoy and the Holy Emperor's only daughter. Their marriage would have been part of an incredibly lucrative trade deal with Burgundy (as negotiated with her brother Philip the Handsome before he died) and would have brought Henry closer to her charge, her nephew the future Charles V who was to rule Burgundy AND Spain, and who Henry envisioned for his own daughter Mary.

Another alternative that was of interest to Henry was Juana of Spain who, again, would have brought him closer to her son Charles and who could maybe even bring him the quasi-regency of Spain if Henry was successful enough in divesting her father Ferdinand, who by that time Henry was at odds with (Henry did enquire into Ferdinand's control grip in Spain and whether he was still popular there). Henry pursued Juana's hand at the same time that he pursued Margaret of Austria's so I disagree when historians say he was truly 'in love' with either of these women.

All of this is to say that diplomatic game of chess seems to have been of far more interest to Henry than having other heirs, otherwise he could have easily accepted Ferdinand's niece in 1504 and gotten new children by 1505/6. Having new heirs also seems at odds with his pursuing of Margaret of Austria who had been married twice (technically thrice but the first marriage wasn't consummated) and had not have living issue despite those marriages. Margaret even wrote to her father expressing her fear that her inability to have children would displease a new husband, but surely Henry must have been aware of her record and decided that the other economic and diplomatic advantages of that union would be enough.

This is why I don't agree when historians say Henry VIII got his all-consuming fear of having no heirs from his father when that father seems to have elected having new heirs as a second priority over diplomacy and trade deals (granted, he still had three living children and his son didn't). I'm of the opinion that Henry VII did not want his son to marry Catherine of Aragon because of deteriorating relations with her father Ferdinand (if not because of religious reasons as well). The reason he didn't get to marry his son to some other foreign bride were diplomatic imo — he barely lived long enough to see his daughter's betrothal to the future Charles V, let alone be successful in marrying his heir, the most important chess piece in his diplomatic relations.

Marguerite of Angouleme seems to have been considered for Prince Henry but Henry VII didn't live long enough to drive the necessary wedge between the French king Louis XII and Ferdinand — they had become allies thanks to Ferdinand's marriage to Germaine of Foix. Ferdinand spared no effort to make Louis XII understand he'd see any marriage talk to Prince Henry as an act of disrespect against himself and his daughter Catherine. Eleanor of Austria was also considered as you said, but Henry VII seems to have prioritising securing Eleanor's brother Charles as a son-in-law first (and securing that betrothal took much longer than expected thanks to Ferdinand's interference). He did tell Ferdinand, for example, that he wished to see his daughter Mary married before he died. I think he just didn't have enough time to circumvent all the diplomatic hindrances.

I'm personally of the opinion that marrying Prince Henry to Eleanor would have exhausted an already used avenue. Spain's alliance was secured by Mary's betrothal to the Infant Charles; a new alliance with France, for example, would have been far more advantageous to England's interests, but I can't say that was Henry VII's own view.

I wish I could elaborate further and bring more sources but I haven't had much time to be on this blog, so please forgive me x

[eve-to-adam]

Your Elizabeth of York art is absolutely stunning! All your art is, truly, and your love for EoY really shines through in all the details! 🩷 Thank you for taking from your time to share it with us! Your style and work are beyond wonderful! ✨️🤍

Hello! :D

I use this opportunity to thank you for all the times you reacted to my posts; I am very grateful for the support you give me regarding my art! <333333

Being a fan of the Plantagenet dynasty, I like to create, among other things, illustrations in which my favorite personalities from that period are represented, moments from their lives, be it political or domestic. So I made it a habit to illustrate their outfits, precisely in order that, when I have the time to make ​​an illustration, I can start it directly, without having to postpone the process in favor of thinking about the different pieces of clothing (although, always other outfits and combinations appear that take over my mind, so it is never certain what I will end up illustrating, ahahaha). That's how I ended up illustrating the first outfit of Elizabeth of York, which I made especially for a mini-comic, which I HOPE to finish in the near future; other things intervened in the meantime and I completely forgot about this one, lol. That was also the moment when I discovered how much I prefer the younger version of Elizabeth over the more mature one, so much so that it became a kind of obsession for me, haha. With all due respect to Henry VII, but for me she will always remain daddy's princess.

How long will this phase last? Nobody knows. But I am more than grateful, happy and excited for the support that you and other people offer me for this purpose! It's really comforting to find people with common interests with yours; so far, my experience in this community has been an extraordinary one, with nice people, who are very passionate about the medieval era or anything else equally interesting, and who always have useful / interesting information at hand.

You are the best!! <333

[mihrsuri]

So @boleynecklace asked what Elizabeth (1998) and The White Princess might look like in the Tudors OT3 universe and okay, THOUGHTS (please bear in mind I haven’t actually seen The White Princess or read it but I have vibes from gifs)

So the White Princess is kind of completely flipped on it’s head because I don’t know if this universes PGreggs can hate The Tudors so much here (although I don’t know, she might manage it! I think her Anne Boleyn hate might be transferred to Bessie Blount?) just because uh, yeah.

But also women in Philippa Gregory novels cannot be friends ever so unfortunately the Ultimate Evil is still Margaret Beaufort :sighs: because she manipulated and murdered when EOY/Henry VII/Richard III were in a very happy triad and she actually murdered her grandchildren! And also got Richard killed because she wanted to be the Power Behind The Throne. But it’s okay because it turns out Elizabeth Woodville and EOY saved Richard with their magic powers and so actually, Henry was a pure beautiful York Child and unfortunately Arthur died because Cursed Tudor Blood or something.

(Also Anne Neville is obviously an evil bitch as well).

Elizabeth (1998) is such a different movie though. I think it might start with Elizabeth being appointed as her brothers advisor (official) after her fathers unofficial abdication in 1556 - at this point she and Robert are married and have a four year old daughter Anne (Nanette).

Francis Walsingham, determined to make England Protestant and Mary of Guise who is determined to make sure her daughter marries Prince Thomas both agree that assassinating Princess Mihrimah is the best idea and Walsingham persuades Robert of this. (This did not happen in universe historically Robert Dudley is screaming from the afterlife at this movie).

This attempt does not work. Robert, frustrated at not having a son and feeling as though he should have more power, throws himself into an attempt to undermine Elizabeth and get her removed from the privy council (this is also wrong because Robert was also on the privy council and also I AM SUPPORTING MY WIFE he yells). It does not work and the movie ends with Elizabeth telling Robert that he will never see their children or her again when she presents him with their twin sons (we will ignore that they have two more children)

The general consensus is that the chemistry is incredible/the performances are amazing but we are ignoring the second half of the movie.

Send me a piece of Tudor Era Media (or Period Drama in general) (TV show/book/movie)) and I’ll talk about what I think it might be like in The Tudors OT3 verse

[blackboar]

It is said that Elizabeth's pension, land, and expenses in York were very low, resulting in her often having to borrow money from others for a few pounds. Her personal wallet often only had a few pounds. Henry VII embezzled the land of the York family, and Elizabeth's sisters had no dowry and could only rely on the help of the queen. Henry VII gave Elizabeth very few gifts compared to other English kings, and how was Elizabeth's situation compared to other English queens and other countries? Is this true?

Wow, my first question ever! Thank you :)

Well, I need to tag @richmond-rex who's far more a Henry VII-Elizabeth of York expert than me, but I'll give my answer.

Elizabeth of York's finances were more than most of her predecessors a sensitive subject. Her marriage wasn't conventional as she was badly needed to legitimize her husband. Hence her treatment was to be even more sensitive than the treatment of a classic queen, usually of foreign origin. Perkin Warbeck and his entourage knew this, as he wrote in his manifesto alongside many grievances alleged mistreatment of his sisters, including Elizabeth.

Henry VII had a vested interest in having a queen capable of maintaining her rank because she was the bridge between him and the followers of Edward IV, who won't tolerate any perceived or actual mistreatment of their late ruler's daughter. Henry had a bumpy road in ensuring Elizabeth's funding as he inherited empty coffers from Richard III. Elizabeth Wydeville's early (or forced?) retirement in 1487 might have been a way to ensure her daughter's finances.

We don't have the greatest sources for late medieval times regarding finance, but we know that Elizabeth's holdings were significant. She did enjoy the traditional estates of English queens (around 10 000 marks), followed by numerous help and loans from her husband that weren't repaid. He also bought her numerous gifts (horses, jewellery, etc...). Elizabeth of York wasn't poor but she wasn't massively endowed either. We aren't sure whether there were moments of financial shortage for Elizabeth considering finance medieval bookkeeping mostly records spending way more than income. There could have been moments when her finances were strained and it's true that Elizabeth died in 1502, right when Tudor finances started to skyrocket. I do not know where you saw that EoY had less gifts from her husband compared to her predecessor. If you have a source, I'm interested! Otherwise, it's normal in medieval times to make small loans as people often didn't have cash immediately on hand and there could be short time of deficit. What we have about her finances and her patronage shows that she wasn't badly treated. As this issue is political, another proof is the reaction of the political community. Former Yorkists didn't complain about her treatment and didn't see her as mistreated, which is proof of good financial treatment. Her probable good relationship with her husband is another proof considering they wouldn't be so devoted toward each other if there were money issues. Recall that dysfunctional royal marriages impact their financial matters and vice-versa, from Isabel of France to Catherine of Aragon. I do not know how Elizabeth would compare to other queens, but she wasn't underfunded for her English predecessors and successors. She had more wealth than her mother, and slightly less advantages than Margaret of Anjou (who had tax franchises but was in a completely different situation) but more cash.

So my conclusion is that she wasn't financially mistreated and could maintain her rank. The idea that she was stems from Henry VII's rapacious reputation and accusations made by failed pretenders to separate Yorkist loyalists from Tudor rule.

Again, thanks for the question!

[maybebabyplease]

hi hi 3, 4, and 10 xoxoxo lavvv u

hi to my favorite person and great love xoxoxo

3. What were your top five books of the year?

damn a hardball straight out of the gate! i have been THINKING about this. and i very honestly? did not love a ton of the books i read this year! which is probably why i read less than usual and also had a ton of re-reads. but here is a list of some that i did really like, in no particular order:

Shit Cassandra Saw by Gwen E. Kirby (this one is in order -- this was easily the #1)

Nightbitch by Rachel Yoder

Death and the Penguin by Andrey Kurkov

Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynne Jones (a re-read but i adore it so)

Witches, Sluts, Feminists by Kristen J. Sollee (wow who gave me that one!)

4. Did you discover any new authors that you love this year?

i don't tend to be a huge romance person, which is funny since i consume an obscene amount of fanfic that would be classified as romance. but i really enjoyed the Emily Henry books this year!

10. What was your favorite new release of the year?

i literally only read one, so it is by default Book Lovers by Emily Henry. i never get to new releases! i'm always so behind (i am looking at the copy of The Golden Enclaves on my bookshelf that i was SO excited to read and purchased on release day but have not read lol)

(eoy book asks)

[fideidefenswhore]

Is it true that COA had more of a claim to the English throne than Henry or his father did?

only to C/OA stans…

[roseberry-creates]

guess who I drew? (with a few edits)

"miss me~?"

[suger-cream]

Day gyvuyvgvj henry

[carbonateddelusion]

Henry

Took a crack at drawing one of your Hens 💜

[richmond-rex]

I read your previous ask on which children Henry VII and Elizabeth of York favored and one thing that struck me is the mention of Weir saying EOY spent most of her time in the nursery away from Henry VII. Its funny because in her novelization of EOY life she heavily implies that while EOY was diligent to visit and over see the education of the children, she spent most of her time with Henry VII at court. I feel like Weir has done this multiple times lol. She makes these claims based on little evidence and then backtracks later on. Didn't she also back track on saying there was something romantic between Richard III and EOY? I'm indifferent to Weir, and there are worse historians, but its just funny she keeps doing this.

Hello! Yes, that's true! Alison Weir has made some outlandish claims before and then backed down. She spear-headed the debate in nonfiction circles about Elizabeth of York having a sexual relationship with her uncle then she was horrified at the number of people claiming that really happened — she literally said that in the biography she wrote about this queen lol, so I can't help but feel like she should be more considerate of what she claims if she's just going to deny it later on. For me Weir is more annoying than harmful at this point but annoying all the same because it feels like she's still the most accessible historian after all this time? If that makes sense.

[pinkie-miller100]

Henry is done, just need the other two