#enlightened truthwatchers

[themoonstonechronicler]

Them ❤️

[stew4]

enlightened truthwatcher boyfriends deserve to get very into true crime

[cosmereclysmic]

Based on the One (1) Vanilla (Non-corrupt/enlightened) Mistspren, Dreaming-Though-Awake, I'm going to assume Mistspren names are based on the ways one might try to describe a word they can't quite place. Dreaming when you're awake is just Daydreaming.

Like how Truthwatcher is that, Radiant Order of Finding and Understanding External Truths*, where you have the truth juuuuust out of reach so you try and scrape together the words you do have in order to describe it.

*It hasn't been properly confirmed through text that Truthwatcher Oaths are external truths. (Like I think one of Renarin's oaths was discovering his visions could be wrong. I can't remember if that was confirmed as an oath or not lol.)

I can't remember if this has been discussed in the fandom, but a lot of the oaths are like. Internal and External coded just like Mistborn Allomancy. Windrunners are Internal Honor. Skybreakers: External Honor. Dustbringers: Internal Mastery. Edgedancers: External (Community) Mastery. Truthwatchers: External Truth. Lightweavers: Internal Truth. Elsecallers: Internal Limit-breaking (idk if that's the right word but here we are). Willshapers: External Limit-breaking (setting others free). Then we get to fucking Stonewards and my pattern gets a bit fumbled because we have soooooo little, but that's not going to stop me. Are they uniting The Self for Power Reserve/Tanking Purposes? They have the ability to harden non-living things like clothing. Therefor tightening the Axioms together. Internal Bonding (Literally!). Anyways if that's the case then Bondsmiths are uniting external forces.

Anyways that went way off tangent from me hypothesizing about Mistspren naming conventions. Welcome to my twisted (adhd) mind I guess.

[tyresw]

I've seen a few posts being real scared of what is going to happen with Taravangian given the recent interlude but I think most people, myself, aren't taking one very important thing into consideration. Renarin (and now Rlain). We already know that their special access to presumably Fortune interferes with the ability for the futuresight of a Shard to be accurate. Seeing the future is already a best-guess type thing in the cosmere but when an Enlightened Truthwatcher throws out what are effectively atium shadows, the Shard has to suddenly make many more assumptions about how people will act. So when we see Death Rattles from Moelach, we can no longer be sure if something like:

"Three of sixteen ruled, but now the Broken One reigns"

we have to take it with a grain of salt. Will the end result likely be CLOSE to this? Yeah, I bet. Does it mean that we are doomed to Odium being the sole Shard of Roshar? Not necessarily. In some ways this can open some really fun twists and interpretations of the Death Rattles based on how their trajectory could be nudged in a different direction.

Maybe the actions of the Radiants can't stop Odium from winning the Contest but they force him into a situation where he is strangled by his own Intent, shattering the shard into the "Broken One" whose splinters cause even greater cataclysm on Roshar.

[sorchasolas]

It might be Pick Me behavior to make an enlightened Truthwater oc but also when they aren’t enlightened Truthwatchers have objectively the lamest ability set in the Knights Radiant

[kainekron]

sorry it was tumi not glys

Can a deadeye spren be enlightened?

[isdalinarhot]

everyone seems so convinced dalinar is going to be homophobic to renarin. maybe im just a delusional dalinar stan but in row 54 when dalinar is talking to renarin about him being an enlightened truthwatcher and he says, and i quote, "whatever you are son, it's a blessing. you may be a different kind of radiant, but you're radiant all the same. you shouldn't feel the need to hide this" that sure sounds like a parent who has figured out that their child is queer and is not going to press them on it but is trying to get across that they Accept Their Son's Differences. like im not saying dalinar is a champion for gay rights or anything and im certainly not saying that he's free of the biases of heterosexual society just because sadeas sucked him off or whatever, but what i AM saying is that he's a moderate liberal dad who is a little bit confused about how to be a good ally but who is trying. and maybe that trying doesn't hit at all for renarin. maybe dalinar being like "and that's okay" a little too affirmatively when renarin comes out to him is not going to actually help renarin feel supported in the gendered hellscape that is vorin society. but i certainly don't think that he's going to be angry or, like, disowning renarin or talking about what a disappointment he is. this man learned how to read for chrissakes. and when renarin learned how to read dalinar wasn't like oh son this is so shameful he was like well this is odd and unexpected! but i have a lot more important shit going on lmao. i think renarin coming out to dalinar would be like that.

[stardustravens]

The Knights Radiant as The Fears from The Magnus Archives

Sacrificing yourself to a cause following trauma and gaining powers from supernatural entities as a result is a common thread here... Perhaps the Radiants are the positive fears that Gerry didn't believe in.

Windrunners - The Vast

Windrunners are a group of people who love to throw themselves into the sky. It doesn't get more Vast avatar than that. Vast avatars and Windrunners/Honorspren both have a duality within their members - some are having The Most Fun, others are running from something.

Simon Fairchild would be a Windrunner with very skewed Radiant oaths. Michael Crew would have begged for a Honorspren bond after being chased by Cryptics.

Kaladin, however, would be an avatar of the Lonely, given that it is heavily tied to isolation and depression.

Skybreakers - The Hunt

The Hunt fits modern Skybreakers very well - Nale's leadership leans heavily into hunting down individuals that are perceived to be guilty at all costs, and the order is heavily associated with law, police and corruption, with members trying to protect and ultimately causing more harm.

Daisy and Basira would both be Skybreakers, alongside Julia and Trevor. (Daisy/Basira would make an interesting Radiant/spren duo...)

Szeth, as a hired assassin, would be an avatar of the Hunt that has given over to it entirely in order to find his purpose. Alternatively, Szeth (especially whilst carrying Nightblood) could be an avatar of the End.

Dustbringers - The Desolation

Whilst many Dustbringers would likely hate this assessment of the order, it is quite an obvious parallel. The fire, the destruction, the volatility... it all feeds into the Desolation.

Agnes Montague, Jude Perry, and most of the members of the Lightless Flame would be Dustbringers. Tim could also become a Dustbringer.

Edgedancers - The Corruption

Edgedancers are one of the more difficult orders to place. Whilst their remembrance of the forgotten feeds into the Eye, they would be closer to the Corruption. Edgedancers are healers and field medics, complementing the Corruption's domain of disease and infestation. Their ideals are focused on being caring towards everyone, especially those who are otherwise ignored, and they were the most religious of the Radiants, linking to the more metaphorical aspects of the Corruption.

Avatars of the Corruption (Jane Prentiss, John Amherst) could potentially be corrupted/enlightened Edgedancers, which would be an interesting twist on the order and its ideals.

Truthwatchers - The Eye

This one is in the name of the order, and its ideals - Truthwatchers seek knowledge, and sit back from the action, and observe, discovering and recording the truth of events. They even collected statements to form the gem archive!

The Archivist (notably Jon, but also Gertrude and the previous Archivists) and Elias/Jonah would be Truthwatchers, and the archival assistants would act as their squires.

Just... look at Renarin. He's already an Eye avatar.

Lightweavers - The Spiral/The Stranger

Lightweavers could represent both the Spiral and the Stranger. Their powers are built on lies, and deceptions, and breaking the rules of reality itself, which feeds into the Sprial. But these abilities also lean into concealed identities, the uncanny and the unknown, representing the Stranger.

Sasha would be a Lightweaver - whilst she is (at least partially) of the Eye, she had significant encounters with the Spiral and the Stranger, and her philosophies seemed to be aligned with the Stranger.

Elhokar's extreme paranoia would easily attract the attention of the Spiral. Shallan fits both the Stranger and the Spiral, given her past - perhaps Testament would be associated with the Spiral, and Pattern with the Stranger, marking her for both entities.

Elsecallers - The Web

Elsecallers would be linked to the Web. Elsecallers are often similar to the Truthwatchers in their scholarly natures, but are more commonly found in leadership positions.

Jasnah would easily be a Web avatar. Hoid, despite being a Lightweaver and Eye-aligned storyteller/observer, is subtly manipulative from the sidelines enough to become an avatar of the Web.

Willshapers - The Lonely

Willshapers were also difficult to align with a Fear. As adventurers with wildly varying pasts and a focus on the self, however, they could become Lonely avatars.

Peter Lukas, given both his isolationist and explorative tendencies, would be a Willshaper. Martin, however, is more difficult to place - he could easily fit many of the orders, but would likely become a Truthwatcher through his connection to the Eye.

Venli, isolated from the Radiants and the Fused in many ways, could become a Lonely avatar.

Stonewards - The Slaughter

Stonewards, once again, are difficult to place. Their focus on strength and athleticism could be associated with the Flesh; however, their powers are specifically unable to manipulate flesh. As frontline soldiers, they are most closely aligned with the Slaughter during war.

Melanie, being stubborn and defensive, would probably be a Stoneward, although there's potential for her anger to guide her towards the Dustbringers.

Bondsmiths - The Extinction

Bondsmiths are the leaders of resistance against an apocalypse in part caused by humanity, aligning the order with the Extinction. The destruction of Ashyn at the hands of Bondsmiths strengthens this connection - one world has already been destroyed by their actions.

Current Dalinar would potentially be marked by the Extinction; however, his Blackthorn past would lead to him being an avatar of the Slaughter also influenced by the Desolation.

[ansible12]

*Rythm of War Spoiler!* I've had an awful thought. Taravagian knows that the presence of renarin obscures the Shard of Odium's Future sight. Taravangian is Odium now. I THINK RENARIN IS GOING TO DIE IN STORMLIGHT 5. THINK ABOUT IT! WE HAVE TWO CORRUPTED/ENLIGHTENED TRUTHWATCHERS, REnarin and Rlain, who are clearly in love with each other. We know that a dead character can get a flashback book(RoW is Eshonai's book). I believe the emotional core of book 7(Renarin's Book) will follow Rlain taking the next step after his love's death, while the flashbacks follow Renarin finding and accepting who he is. The final flashback could end with Renarin professing his love for Rlain. PLEASE, SOMEONE, I DONT WANT THIS TO BE TRUE! SOMEONE CONVINCE ME IM WRONG

[shallahi-and-snowflake]

Jon got Truthwatcher, which is QUITE accurate imo (( @faller-fears ))

//Yes, very accurate, though we haven’t gotten a non-Enlightened Truthwatcher in the books yet.

//Also, make sure to reply to the ask game post. It’s easier to see all the answers there than gathering up a bunch of asks.

[azura-aurorae]

Yeah this is the enlightened truthwatcher spren alright

california girls we’re inconsolable

dreams of doom the visions wont stop

[knight-of-skyloft]

I've seen a bit of confusion on this front and nothing brings me more joy than getting to infodump about Rlain so: he has in fact bonded a spren! He's sworn at least the First Ideal! He's locked in to the Truthwatchers, baby. From RoW ch. 114:

[lamaery]

Cosmere Inktober - 3 glass

„Speak the words, and do not despair.“

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[image description: spoiler for RoW finale – The image is painted in soft dark shades but with a shimmering array of colours weaving through its tones. It depicts Rlain becoming an enlightened Truthwatcher and having visions of the immanent future. Rlain is positioned in the lower right of the frame and glances up in delighted wonder at the immaterial shards of glass fanning out in the air above his head. In the shards small scenes can be made out, the brightest one showing Kaladin with the Sylspear in full, glowing shardplate and windspren dancing around him. Another glass shard holds the face of the Stormfather, another one shows Navani pressed to a glowing crystal column, her eyes alight with towerlight. Rlain himself is glowing slightly, too and a puff of stormlight escapes his smiling mouth.]

[koravelliumavast]

Emeralds are the truthwatcher polestone. And each gemstone used in the Urithiru gem archive directly correlates to the polestone of that radiant order. Could it be possible that Renarin wasn’t the first truthwatcher to have a Nahel bond to a spren enlightened by Sja-Anat?