#elia westerling

[dr3adlady]

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[atopvisenyashill]

elia sand, queen of (what’s left of) the seven kingdoms

HEAR ME OUT.

probably the biggest and most important question after you accept “king bran in harrenhal” into your life, is but bran can’t have kids. that’s correct. or well, it’s potentially correct - everyone in universe seems to think he won’t be physically capable of having a child because of his paralysis. BUT. that doesn’t mean he won’t marry nor does that mean that there isn’t a potential benefit to him not being able to have children.

now, there have been several marriages made to bring peace after conflict - dorne is involved in several of thess with the matches of maron & daenerys as well as daeron & myriah. the marriages of robert & cersei and jaehaera and aegon iii were…less successful attempts at this. so even if bran isn’t expected to have kids, it’s possible that a marriage for him would see prudent as a way of brokering peace in some symbolic way. what better candidate than dorne, really, given the similarities between their people and what dorne & the north have lost (in differing colors for formatting reasons)-

"I promise." Promise me, Ned, Lyanna's voice echoed. The prince is a sentimental man, and he still mourns his sister Elia and her sweet babe.

Lyanna had only been sixteen, a child-woman of surpassing loveliness. Ned had loved her with all his heart. "As children Elia and I were inseparable, much like your own brother and sister."

That was his curse. Robert would swear undying love and forget them before evenfall, but Ned Stark kept his vows. He thought of the promises he'd made Lyanna as she lay dying, and the price he'd paid to keep them. "If you die before you say her name, ser, I will hunt you through all seven hells," he promised.

Archmaester Brude, who was born and raised in the shadow city that huddles beneath the crumbling walls of Sunspear, once famously observed that Dorne has more in common with the distant North than either does with the realms that lie between them.

"Robert, I ask you, what did we rise against Aerys Targaryen for, if not to put an end to the murder of children?" "Four lives will suffice for me. Lord Tywin's golden twins, as payment for Elia's children. The old lion, for Elia herself. And last of all the little king, for my father." "The boy has never wronged us."

but why justify elia sand specifically though? well-

Robb bristled at that. "The Westerlings are better blood than the Freys. They're an ancient line, descended from the First Men. The Kings of the Rock sometimes wed Westerlings before the Conquest, and there was another Jeyne Westerling who was queen to King Maegor three hundred years ago."

Arianne read the letter thrice, then rolled it up and tucked it back into her sleeve. A dragon has returned to Westeros, but not the dragon my father was expecting...Fire and blood was what Jon Connington (if indeed it was him) was offering as well. Or was it? "He comes with sellswords, but no dragons," Prince Doran had told her, the night the raven came… “Elia's son... I would weep for joy if some part of my sister had survived, but what proof do we have that this is Aegon?"

wild Elia Sand, a maid of ten-and-four.

Five yards from the gates Elia Sand came flying from the cloud of dust behind them to rush past both of them on her black filly. “Are you half horse, child?" Valena asked, laughing, in the yard. "Princess, did you bring a stable girl?" “I'm Elia," the girl announced. "Lady Lance."

Not even Lord Rickard's daughter could outrace him, and that one was half a horse herself.

When his fallen foes sought to ransom horse and armor, the Knight of the Laughing Tree spoke in a booming voice through his helm, saying, 'Teach your squires honor, that shall be ransom enough.' Once the defeated knights chastised their squires sharply, their horses and armor were returned. And so the little crannogman's prayer was answered.

"Rise. Tell me, who is Lyanna Mormont?" "One of Lady Maege's daughters, Sire. The youngest. She was named for my lord father's sister."

so two joust loving, sassy 14 year old girls are rolling up to A Targaryen Prince who is about to be TESTED by all his Promised Princeliness. Elia Sand, named after Elia, Rhaegar’s wife, and Lyanna, who has a living namesake in Lyanna Mormont. robb justifies his marriage to jeyne by saying kings have married westerlings before…and if elia and aegon elope like some other Unruly 14 Year Old/Targaryen Prince, he has the power to legitimize her, and this excuse could be used again.

As everyone decides what should be done about Bran’s marriage, Elia Sand is pressed forward - she’s around his age (only four years older), she has been legitimized (is perhaps even going by Elia Martell), she is, like jeyne westerling, a crownless little queen without a princely son or a living kingly husband. And as people start to grumble about her baseborn heritage, Arianne will point out that no one is expecting Bran to have children, and it’s merely symbolic - a way of giving Dorne a say in rebuilding Westeros, and if attempting to reunite what’s left of the kingdoms.

[fromtheboundlesssea]

I think people often overestimate Jaime's redemption in the show/books. Sure he's not as unpleasant as he was at the start of the series but he is still on the side of the illegitimate corrupt Lannister regime. Jaime may hold the Frey's in disdain but he is still rewarding them for the Red Wedding with Rivverrun. How can it be redemption when he threatens to launch a baby out of a trebuchet? How it is redemption when he tells Forley to murder poor Jeyne Westerling should she try to flee? Jaime is punishing houses for resisting the Lannisters and pretending that his bastards are the legitimate rulers of Westeros.

The thing about Jaime Lannister within the books is that I don’t think he’s going to have redemption arc in that he will become a really good person (as much as one can be in Westeros). Instead of Jaime’s redemption arc being centered on his humanity, I think he is going to get a “knighthood redemption.” There is this pivotal line in A Storm of Swords:

And me, that boy I was . . . when did he die, I wonder? When I donned the white cloak? When I opened Aerys's throat? That boy had wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but someplace along the way he had become the Smiling Knight instead.

Arthur Dayne was not the best knight ever, considering he abandoned Elia and her children to a racist madman. However, to Jaime, Arthur Dayne represents the ideal knight.

So many of Jaime’s actions are done in the name of a twisted sense of knighthood and spite towards those that judged him for the “wrong” he did when he was truly the only knight willing to do anything.

I think that Jaime will redeem himself as a knight rather than as a person.

I think Jaime is subtly collecting people who represent the people he has wronged as a knight (people he couldn’t protect). I think Brienne is the obvious one with him rescuing her from rape, most likely representing Rhaella, but Brienne is also how old Rhaenys would have been had she still lived. I think Jaime’s need to constantly protect Tyrion from their father is meant to represent Aegon. Rescuing Pia is also about Rhaella. Serving Sansa and helping the Starks perhaps serves as a way for protecting Elia (the show is different, but Sansa had already escaped by the time Jaime returned to King’s Landing and I wonder what he would have done about Sansa’s public beatings).

While I love Jaime, I think his “redemption” will be about him as a knight rather than him as a person.

[isefyres]

𝔐𝔬𝔰𝔱 𝔴𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔢𝔡 𝔦𝔫𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔞𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫𝔰 𝔭𝔢𝔯 𝔢𝔯𝔞:

CONQUEST ERA. aegon i targaryen, rhaenys targaryen, obsidia celtigar, torrhen stark, brandon snow, thorea stark.

JAEHERYS ERA. alaric stark, alyssa targaryen, baelon targaryen, viserra targaryen, saera targaryen, alarra stark.

DANCE ERA. laena velaryon, jacaerys velaryon, rhaena targaryen, serafia celtigar, kermit tully. floris baratheon, cassandra baratheon, heleana targaryen, criston cole, aemond targaryen, daeron targaryen. viserys i targaryen, rhea royce, lea tyrell, aliandra martell, lyandra saan.

POST DANCE ERA. viserys ii targaryen, jaehaera targaryen, myrmadora haen.

REBELLION ERA. rhaegar targaryen, ser arthur dayne, ashara dayne, elia martell, ned stark, catelyn tully.

MAIN ERA. osney kettleblack, balerion blackfyre, orysa baratheon, cersei lannister, tywin lannister, joanna swyft, laena longwaters, gendry baratheon, shireen baratheon, alynne connington, jon connington, vera dondarrion, rolland storm, shyra errol, daven lannister, addam mallister, elyra brax, jeyne westerling, joy hill, edmure tully, barbara bracken, eleanor mooton, liane vance, bethany blackwood, astor sunderly, gyselle goodbrother, wallace waynwood, myranda royce, lyn corbay, mya stone, bryanna coldwater, harrold hardyng, jennis templeton, catelyn stark, jeyne poole, mara mormont, jorah mormont, wylla manderly, alys karstark, beth cassel, brandon cassel, freyia knott, sigorn of thenn, howland reed, ellaria sand, edric dayne, gwayne dayne, addam whitehead, quira qorgyle, trystane martell, harmen uller, jeyne fowler, willas tyrell, elinor tyrell, desmora redwyne, megga tyrell, eleana vyrwel, bayard norcross, taena merryweather, tommen costayne, irri, doreah, lysandro orthys, narcyssa orthys, ezzara, sariah, cahira, malakai veltheos,

INDIVIDUAL BLOGS WITH MOST MUSE: JON SNOW | ROBB STARK | MYRCELLA BARATHEON | SARA SNOW | JAIME LANNISTER. | MELISANDRE. | CREGAN STARK. | DAEMON TARGARYEN | VISERYS III TARGARYEN | ALICENT HIGHTOWER. | RHAENYRA TARGARYEN | DAENERYS TARGARYEN | LYANNA STARK | MYSARIA OF LYS | SANSA STARK | MARGAERY TYRELL | VAL OF THE FREE FOLK | OBERYN MARTELL.

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[sansacherie]

If Ashara Dayne did sleep with anyone at the tourney, my money has always been on Brandon Stark, not his shy (and most definitely then sexually inexperienced) younger brother and you only need to look at Barbrey Ryswell (later Dustin) for confirmation.

Barbrey gave her maidenhead to Brandon. Even though it was consensual and Barbrey was attracted to him, according to Westerosi society Brandon did "dishonor" her because they weren't married. To be honest, it would not surprise me at all if Barbrey secretly hoped that Brandon would do the right thing by her the way his nephew Robb would do with Jeyne Westerling despite already being betrothed. But obviously that didn't happen, with Brandon still fully intending to follow through on his betrothal despite "dishonoring" Barbrey. I also think when it came to Ashara Brandon would have justified it on the basis that as lady-in-waiting to the future queen Ashara would likely enjoy an excellent match through Elia's influence and this was probably Ashara's thinking as well, as to why she kept quiet.

[ao3feed-tywin]

Gendry's Son | Male Reader X Harem

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by Hollunk

After a 30 year reign, Y/n Baratheon has fallen on the field of battle. Facing the final Blackfyre Rebellion. Taking the final Blackfyre down with him. But he refuses to give in to death, and is reborn in the body of the supposed second son of Robert Baratheon, Orys Baratheon.

Words: 3623, Chapters: 1/3, Language: English

Fandoms: Game of Thrones (TV), A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Underage

Categories: F/M

Characters: Sansa Stark, Arianne Martell, Elia Sand, Daenerys Targaryen, Margaery Tyrell, Myrcella Baratheon, Original Female Character(s), Reader, Ashara Dayne, Jeyne Westerling Stark, Cersei Lannister, Robert Baratheon, Joffrey Baratheon, Tommen Baratheon, Ned Stark, Tywin Lannister, Catelyn Tully Stark, Brandon Stark, Bran Stark, Robb Stark, Jon Snow, Gendry (A Song of Ice and Fire), Arya Stark, Benjen Stark, Jon Arryn, Varys (A Song of Ice and Fire), Petyr Baelish, Tyrion Lannister, Jaime Lannister, Olenna Tyrell, Bronn (A Song of Ice and Fire), Sandor Clegane, Brienne of Tarth, Thoros of Myr (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Relationships: Sansa Stark/Original Male Character(s), Arianne Martell/Original Male Character(s), Elia Sand/Original Male Character(s), Daenerys Targaryen/Original Male Character(s), Margaery Tyrell/Original Male Character(s), Myrcella Baratheon/Original Male Character(s), Original Female Character(s)/Original Male Character(s), Ashara Dayne/Original Male Character(s), Jeyne Westerling/Original Male Character(s), Catelyn Tully Stark/Original Male Character(s), Cersei Lannister/Original Male Character(s)

Additional Tags: Aunt/Nephew Incest, Sibling Incest, Shameless Smut, Older Man/Younger Woman, Older Woman/Younger Man, Westeros (A Song of Ice and Fire), Essos (A Song of Ice and Fire), Greyjoy Rebellion | Balon Greyjoy's Rebellion Against the Iron Throne, Parent/Child Incest

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[glamourweaver]

ASoI&F Headcanon - the burials of those wed to the Dragon

Traditionally, only the “blood of the dragon” are cremated with Valyerian rites and interred at Dragonstone. The non-Targaryen wives of House Targaryen are generally buried in the Andal fashion at the husband’s seat - or returned to their father’s house with a lavish crown gift for an extravagant ceremony and tomb (especially if the wife in question was a Queen). There is a “queen’s crypt” at the Starry Sept in Oldtown for Ceryse and then Alicent, one at Sunspear for Myriah where they also buried Elia raising some eyebrows as she was never queen. There are memorial statues gifted by the crown at Raventree Hall for Betha (who’s remains could not be recovered from Summerhall), and at Stormsend for Alyssa (who was given to the sea with Velaryon rites at Stormsend). Aemma Arryn is interred with Viscerys at Dragonstone because while she was an Arryn, she was also Blood of the Dragon on her mother’s side, and neither House Arryn nor the extended Targaryen family raised objection to this wish of Viscerys.

Jayne Westerling’s body was returned to House Tarbeck by Jaehaerys so she could be buried with her first husband. There were royal gifts to both Houses Tarbeck and Westerling with this but this was framed as a recognition of Maegor’s crime against them rather than a queen’s burial gift, as neither these houses nor the Targaryens wanted to offend the Hightowers who were still touchy about the subject of Maegor’s legal wife. Gifts were given to Houses Costayne and Bolling as well, though Elinor was humbly interred at her Motherhouse in Lannisport.

The crown paid the Faith the expense for a normal rather than lavish burial for Alys Harroway at the Sept in the town that bares her family name. No special tomb was constructed, though the grave is well marked and kept and having a a queen’s burial site is a point of local pride for the smallfolk of Harroway.

Tyanna of the Tower was buried unceremoniously in an unmarked grave in King’s Landing.

There is one individual for whom these traditions were broken, and was given Valyrian rites and interred at Dragonstone. Egg had Ser Jeremy Norridge cremated on the same pyre as Prince Daeron and their ashes interred together on Dragonstone. It is strongly suspected he would have done the same (or ordered the same done in his will) for Betha and for Jenny, and one could argue fate delivered as their ashes mingled together with Egg and Duncan’s (and Duncan’s) at Summerhall, right over the burial site of Deyanna.

[redwolf17]

if you do end up doing a westerling one shot i think elenya would be a good choice for pov!

imo it's a good choice because there's a few similarities between eleyna and cicely. the first being is that both houses betray robb stark by using their daughters as a pawn- sybell spider violates jeyne's bodily autonomy by secretly dosing her with moon tea and walder frey forces roslin to be the bride of the red wedding.

roslin was cicely's aunt and eleyna was of course jeyne's little sister. from what i remember little bee (side note she was so funny at times and then she broke my heart!) was like "i would never act so ungrateful if I got to marry lord and wear a beautiful dress!" you could have something where eleyna doesn't understand why mother doesn't like king robb- sure, what he and jeyne did wasn't proper but he did the honorable thing and besides didn't you always want a high match for jeyne and me? she gets to be a queen! after jeyne and robb and catelyn leave for edmures wedding at the twins you could have sybell comment in eleyna's company that she hopes jeyne doesn't get with child while she's away. eleyna could be like but don't kings need heirs? and sybell could give an excuse that it's a hard thing to be pregnant during wartime and that jeyne should be with her mother if she is and she could warn eleyna not to repeat what she said.

doing eleyna's pov is also interesting because they spend the next couple years at riverrun as guests - at one point they are briefly the highest ranking people at riverrun with the departure of the starks and tullys as the queen's family and then very suddenly they are not. jeyne and their older brother are dead. the westerlings lose the crag just as the freys lose the twins. both of their parents schemes don't work out the way they thought.

an eleyna pov also means getting another pov of the paul the pious situation in harrenhal. as of 302 the westerlings were still at riverrun so they had to be around for that. especially since robb getting 7 years worth of prayers for jeyne. an eleyna pov also means getting the reactions to things like tywin's death. depending on what you want to cover it could also mean the reaction to aegon's coming, the reveal of elia martell's actions, and his marriage to sansa stark - the goodsister eleyna's sister never met.

concerning the fact that robb took so long to remarry when most people probably expected to do so within the year - you could have sybell comment that he should have wed much sooner after hearing of his wedding to margaery tyrell while giving an eleyna an odd look. depending on whenever or not eleyna had her suspicions about sybell she could be confused as to why her lady mother is giving her such an odd look

an eleyna pov would also be a good choice because not only could you do anything with eleyna's character (similar to little bee) but you could also do more with jeyne westerling! you did such a beautiful job with her but we would get a pov of someone who grew up with her versus the other povs we saw jeyne through (arya and catelyn) who knew her for a very short time really. you did such a great job showing robbs grief for jeyne as her husband and with eleyna we could get her grief for jeyne as her sister!

this OF COURSE are all those suggestions/inspo if you do decide to a westerling one shot! absolutely NO EXPECTATIONS! i just thought you might appreciate my rambles

hope everything going great for bel 2!! so glad bel and edythe are the next povs, who are of course AMAZING POVS!!!!!

👀🤔 definitely a lot of great ideas to keep in mind!

[thaliajoy-blog]

My Asoiaf Tarot Plan !

Major Arcana

0 - The Fool : Jon Snow

I - The Magician : Bran/Bloodraven

II - The High Priestess : Melisandre

III + IV - Empress & Emperor : Daenerys ×2

V : The Hierophant : Ned Stark

VI : The Lovers : Jon & Dany (?)

VII - the Chariot : Arianne Martell

VIII - Strength : Brienne of Tarth

IX - The Hermit : Stannis Baratheon

X - Wheel of Fortune : Tyrion Lannister

XI - Justice : Jaime Lannister

XII - Hanged man : Theon Greyjoy

XIII - Death : The Others

XIV - Temperance : Ellaria Sand

XV - The Devil : Euron Greyjoy

XVI - The Tower : Rhaegar Targaryen/Elia Martell/Lyanna Stark

XVII - The Star : Jon Connington

XVIII - The Moon : Arya Stark

XIX - The Sun : Sansa Stark

XX - Judgement : Oberyn Martell

XXI - World : Carved table of Dragonstone + Littlefinger & Varys OR woman representing Westeros

Minor Arcana

1) Suit of Cups (House Stark) - also Suit of Fangs

Ace of Cups : Catelyn Tully Stark

Queen of Cups : Jeyne Westerling

King of Cups : Robb Stark

Page of Cups : Rickon Stark

Knight of Cups : Wyman Manderly & granddaughters

2) Suit of Pentacles (House Baratheon) - or Suit of Antlers

Ace of Pentacles : Gendry Waters

Queen of Pentacles : Selyse Florent

King of Pentacles : Robert Baratheon

Page of Pentacles : Shireen Baratheon

Knight of Pentacles : Davos Seaworth

3) Suit of Wands (House Tyrell) - also Suit of Thorns

Ace of Wands : Olenna Redwyne Tyrell

Queen of Wands : Margaery Tyrell

King of Wands : Renly Baratheon

Page of Wands : Megga, Alla & Elinor Tyrell

Knight of Wands : Loras Tyrell

4) Suit of Swords (House Lannister) - also Suit of Claws

Ace of Swords : Tywin Lannister

Queen of Swords : Cersei Lannister

King of Swords : Joffrey Baratheon

Page of Swords : Tommen & Myrcella Baratheon

Knight of Swords : Gregor & Sandor Clegane

Additional suits !

[markhenzel]

3 A Song of Ice and Fire theories I find it fun.

3. Ned Dayne and Jon Snow are either two things:

Ned Dayne:

1) Rhaegar and Elia Martell son

2) Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark son

Jon Snow:

3) Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne son

4) Brandon and Ashara Dayne son

This theory isn't strong but I find it fun. I got this theory for a joke about "What if Jon Snow has white hair like Targaryen" which makes me think what if he did. Ned Dayne has white hair and purple eyes. And I find it weird why out of all houses GRRM creates, he chose to make House Dayne members have purple eyes and some have white hair unless it's a setup. Think about it, how to hide a Targaryen if not a place that has people looks like Targaryen but not aka House Dayne. Every setup has a pay-off.

If Ned Dayne is Rhaegar and Elia Martell's son, it's a setup for Faegon and Golden Company which reveal he's the real Aegon that survived The Mountain.

If Ned Dayne is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son, that makes Jon Snow an actual bastard, probably from Ned/Brandon Stark and Ashara Dayne. If it's Ned, it could challenge the reader's perspective on honourable Ned Stark. Maybe Ned Stark did something like Robb Stark did but in reverse like instead of choosing Ashara (Jane Westerling), he chose Catelyn (Walder Frey's daughter). You get the picture. A perfectly parallel circle.

If Jon Snow is Brandon Stark and Ashara Dayne's son and let's assume they married, Jon might be the number 1 heir for Winterfell.

[dr3adlady]

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[hollowwhisperings]

Blackfyre Conquest: An Autumn King

i've struggled to find any Meta on how Young Griff's conquest will go, politically & logistically, that don't immediately interrupt themselves with "...but then Dany will show up with Dragons".

A lot of fans are very pro-Targaryen and pro-Conquest: a lot of Westeros would probably be on board too, though for less romantic reasons. No one "loves" the commander of a foreign army & Ned successfully rallied a Rebellion with very good reasons. The Targaryens were never entirely welcome in Westeros but the War of the Five Kings certainly made a "return to stability" with a Targ King an easier sell than it would have been earlier in the series. That this Targ King is non-incestuous, seemingly sane, has a sizeable Army, has multiple houses already sworn to him... and seems to be an Actual Politician? The Lords might frown at exactly "how" legitimate their King really is but, overall, "Aegon VI" would be vastly preferable to who Westeros has currently:

1) an increasingly unpopular Queen-Regent whose family Did The Red Wedding & whose claim rests on a toddler-king of Dubious Parentage.

2) a King who's lost his Lands to the foreign invader, has a Pet Witch (called his "true" queen) who burns people alive, has converted to a Foreign Religion (& burned religious sites), is a rumoured Kinslayer, and was Never Very Popular in the first place (Stannis doesn't take bribes, keeps insisting his disabled daughter is his Heir, went to help the Night's Watch for Some Reason, wasn't as fun as his brothers, makes poor conversation at parties, etc) .

3) Euron Greyjoy.

4) a theoretical infant child of King Robb of the North & Trident... and the Treacherous Jeyne Westerling whom he Lost a war over.

5) Robb's legal heir as per his last Will, his "brother" Jon whom he legitimised as "Stark" but is currently busy being the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch (it is unlikely that Jon's getting murdered by his men would be Advertised to the Realm & though Jon is almost certainly going to pull a Dany in WoW, he is currently a Ghost).

6) the allegedly sole surviving non-bastard Stark, Prince Rickon, who's spent the past few [books] entirely raised by [Freefolk] & is a toddler.

7) Some Targaryen Girl in Essos, last seen while... on fire & being abductes by her own dragon, apparently.

While most Lords will see Aegon's commanding the Golden Company as a Pretty Obvious allusion to his not actually being the miraculously surviving son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen & Princess Elia Martell. The "truth" of Young Griff's identity is pretty irrelevant to his successfully conquering Westeros (which seems very likely, give or take a Kingdom). Robert Baratheon's kingship was won by conquest: his grandmother being a Targaryen princess was an afterthought, an extra touch of "legitimacy". Tommen's claim to the Iron Throne is through his legal status as King Robert's surviving Heir. Stannis's claim is through the illegitimacy of Joffrey & Tommen's claims making him Robert's heir instead.

Aegon's claim to the Iron Throne is not actually his alleged parentage: it's through Conquest (the same would be true for Dany, Euron and any Heir of King Robb). Most Lords would see the Golden Company, famously founded to make a Blackfyre king, and conclude that Aegon is a Blackfyre Pretender: this is, in the short-term, irrelevant.

Some might rejoice at the alleged survival of one of Prince Rhaegar or Princess Elia's children: Targaryen Loyalists, the Dornish, smallfolk out of the loop on why there was a Rebellion. Ned Stark Loyalists would know Ned mourned for Princess Elia & her children, that Robert became King because Ned wasn't interested & be more concerned about Winter than how recently incestuous the latest Southron King's family tree may be.

As far as most of Westeros is aware [going into Winds], its Key Requirements for a Monarch are: being Alive & (ideally) Sane, being Old Enough to reign unsupervised (15 at minimum), having a loyal Army (see: Euronpocalypse, the Red Wedding, the lawlessness of the Riverlands), being Male, not being the immediate product of incest (Tommen aside, Prince Rhaegar only had 2 great-grandparents), not being a blasphemous arsonist, & not being in debt to the Iron Bank.

Robb Loyalists, those still surviving, would Wisely stand back and allow the Golden Company to deal with the Bolton-Lannister-Frey alliance: even if Jeyne Westerling is found alive & with an infant son, few would accept her and most would be unwilling to replace one child monarch with another (that applies to Rickon too). Northerners are proud but, as one of those Dead Starks might say, Winter is Coming.

The Wars over the series have made the southern land route impassable: the Twins are held by the treacherous Freys, the Riverlands are a lawless hellscape, King's Landing is run by Lannisters & Tyrells, and the Reach is itself "Tyrell Territory". With such a dangerous land route, the North relies on itself & seatrade. While the North does have eastern ports that allow trade with the Vale, the Vale itself is currently held by Petyr Baelish, publically aligned with the Lannister Regime. The North's primary port, White Harbour (held by Lord Wyman Manderly, known Stark Loyalist) is on its western coast, along the Narrow Sea. Euron & rogue Ironborn aside, Aegon's Armies have already seized Storm's End after coming across said sea. Having already seized Storm's End and with Aurane Waters' having Absconded with the Crown's Fleet that would guard the Blackwater... The Golden Company can comfortably blockade all traffic from Westeros to Essos (give or take a Lys). Even assuming Aurane Waters isn't in cahoots with Team Aegon (he's a Velaryon bastard), he took the Crown's fleet to the Stepstones and thus holds control over naval passage between the eastern & western coasts of Westeros (& to Dorne).

So, unless Sansa usurps control of the Vale from Baelish within the first third of Winds; unless Prince Doran or seadragons take out Aurane Waters' pirate fleet; unless the Golden Company's AND Euron's respective fleets get taken out without ANOTHER navy taking their place... Westeros really, really needs Aegon to successfully conquer Westeros if only to quickly reestablish vital trade routes for Winter.

Speaking of Euron's fleet and Trouble at Oldtown... there is Trouble At Oldtown and no one is equipped to keep it contained: on land, the sons of Lord Hightower have been taking the Ironborn threat seriously (with Lord Hightower seemingly having Anticipated the supernatural threat Euron seeks to invoke though how successful his & his daughter's Efforts may be remains Unknown); at sea, the Redwyne Fleet is Worried & very probably in Cahoots with Aegon. It will be a Trip, going back to sea from the Stormlands & then South to Oldtown, but a Redwyne-Velaryon-Blackfyre Naval Alliance is the Best and Geographically Closest forces available to Oldtown.

There are a few characters who've been sent to seek aid from Essos, given the Ironborn threat & the general political instability: Prince Quentyn was one (RIP) and Lord Hightower's youngest son, Ser Humfrey, is another. If the Hightowers weren't Team Aegon before, they soon will be.

The Reach is an increasingly vital kingdom to the survival of Westeros: with the Riverlands in the state it is & with the ongoing socio-economic fallout of Dany's very sudden conquests of half the Free Cities, The Reach is the most reliable source of food for the entire continent. That's part of why the impending Euronpocalypse is so Worrying to those otherwise removed from the Oldtown plotlines: Oldtown is one of the most important ports of Westeros, exporting grain from the Reach & importing goods from Essos.

Oldtown is also the Headquarters for the Citadel, where maesters are trained to: manage rookeries, the interkingdom communication system; learn histories, including those of long Winters past & who survived to give tips on Resource Management; and study medicine (to varying degrees of competency but Still).

The maesters are imperfect, often outright incompetent (as much by accident as by any potential Conspiracy): they're still the ones in control of the [telegram] network, the meteorologists, the ones able to not only access the historic archives but how to read them & any knowledge therein. It is certainly more helpful to have scholars than to not have scholars, especially with Winter nearing and many surviving Lordlings having known only Summer (& never educated on "How To Lord" due to how far down the line of succession they were before the Wars).

For those in Westeros who hold to the Faith of the Seven, Trouble At Oldtown would be an apocalypse all of its own: Oldtown is the centre of their Faith and its destruction would greatly demoralize persons of all stations, especially with increased Magical Activity and rumours of [fire zombies, ice zombies, wolf zombies, dragons].

Team Aegon seems the most likely to "contain" the Euronpocalypse, having both method (naval power) & means (the Golden Company, 4 kingdoms' worth of vassal lords) to do so. Aegon's also one of the few "primary" characters who would even know that there IS a Euronpocalpse: Team Aegon, Prince Doran, Queen Cersei, Lady Olenna, Lord Manderly, Asha's faction of Ironborn, the Reacherlords, the Iron Bank, & (probably?) Brynden Rivers are the only ones who could plausibly know of a Euron Threat, let alone organize a Timely Response to it. Regardless of how successful said Response may be, Team Aegon helping with Oldtown smooths the way for his becoming recognised as a Legitimate Leader for Westeros.

I'm fairly certain that Team Aegon will conquer (most of) Westeros over the course of Winds, I doubt he'll have the time to be crowned King or even spend time on a throne: he'll be too busy.

Aegon's Conquest being successful is Pretty Dang Important to the greater scheme of things: it will introduce Key Characters to each other (Arianne & Dorne, Sam & thus the NW, "Alayne" through Baelish, Team Oathkeeper through Jaime's controlling the Crown's armies); restore supply routes; "consolidate" power to enable discussion of Continental Threats long neglected (through both Regional & Interpersonal Conflicts). Aegon's Conquest would act as a kind of "triage" for Westeros, a quick means of uniting different groups (for & against him) and he won't actually need to sit the Iron Throne to do it. It is most likely that, after securing the Reach & Stormlands, Aegon will find that the Frey Civil War had "taken care of" the North & the Riverlands, with Robb Loyalists willing to Play Nice but (understandably, thinketh Aegon) wary of bending any knees. Dorne, regardless of Prince Doran's personal opinion on Aegon's identity, would act "compliant" due to Arianne's involvement & the Rocky Dornish having been in Cahoots with the Blackfyre Regime from the get go. Even a false Aegon would be preferable to a Lannister, as far as the North & Dorne are concerned. The Ironborn post-Euronpocalypse would go back to battling themselves internally, likely while facing heavy [sanctions]: they'd be too busy licking their wounds to be much of a threat to anyone.

That leaves three kingdoms: the Westerlands, cornered at all sides & bereft of much of its Leadership through Wars & the Frey Civil War; the Crownlands, King's Landing likely being besieged for Cersei to later blow up; and The Vale.

Who runs the Vale? The worst, most consistently dangerous backstabber of them all: Lord Petyr Baelish. It will probably be Baelish who undoes all that triage work Team Aegon started, likely via assassinating the kid or "exposing" him to the Right Wrong Crowd (whether Petyr has actual knowledge or evidence against Aegon is irrelevant: this is not his first Smear Campaign).

Assuming it hasn't happened already (in great tonal dissonance with the Euronpocalypse), Little Lord Robert Arryn would get his Tourney at the Gates of the Moon just in time for Aegon to secure his "final" kingdom.

The Frey Civil War would have affected the Vale just as it affected the rest of Westeros (Dorne excluded) but, from the clues I've found in the Vale & Darry-branches of Freys, it's likely that the Vale Freys will have fared better than every other branch of their extensive family tree, likely due to their joining the Aegon Bandwagon prior to Lord Walder's death.

Others have drawn parallels between what we know of "Alayne's'" Tourney and the historic Tourney of Ashford Meadow: essentially, the Tourney is implicitly tied to the themes & character arcs of both Sansa Stark (in the role of "Lord Ashford's 13 year old daughter", defending Queen of Love & Beauty) and Brienne of Tarth (in the role of her ancestor, Duncan the Tall: knightly but never technically Knighted underdog). The Ashford Tourney is best remembered for being the Introduction of Ser Duncan the Tall, a Sudden Trial of Seven, a quietly averted Blackfyre Rebellion, and the tragic death of the greatly beloved Crown Prince Baelon "Breakspear" (& Some Guy from House Hardyng).

Yeah. Dany doesn't even need to leave Essos: Aegon's doom will come courtesy of Thematic Parallels and Foreshadowing.

Prince Baelon "Breakspear" was a living representation of a Westeros at peace: he was the product of one of two political marriages that peacibly joined Dorne to the Seven Kingdoms (the Second Marriage featured one of those Princesses Daenerys); he was a Competent ruler, becoming his Father's Hand at age 26; his nickname was gained when he bested Ser Daemon Blackfyre (yes, THAT Blackfyre) at a tourney (the Wedding Tourney of his Aunt Daenerys); he had two adult sons, presumably with a wife (the sons are the only proof of her existence); and one of Baelon's sons was healthy enough to score 7 victories at the Ashford Tourney!

Which he. Uh. Very unexpectedly died at. Baelon, that is. The Crown Prince. The People's Prince. The Golden Child who promised a Peaceful & Prosperous Future. The son of a Targaryen prince & a Martell mother. A character who Very Strongly Reminds One Of Young Griff, the hopeful Aegon VI.

Aegon is likely to attend the Vale Tourney in order to diplomatically add the Vale to his collection of Kingdoms: Baelish is likely to trade [Sansa]'s betrothal with Harry the Heir for the Shinier Prince Aegon (whether he dissolves the existing betrothal via Having Harry Killed By Tourney or by outing Alayne as Sansa "Key to the North" Stark-Lannister, who was, btw, Spared the marriage bed bc Child Bride so Totally Eligible my dude just Sign Here).

Then Brienne will show up, probably with Jaime, and Some Kerfuffle will Ensue (if only because Sansa & Brienne are Alleged Kingslayers) that leads to Robert Arryn's Tourney becoming Brienne's Trial of Seven for Sansa's Innocence, just as Ser Dunk's defense of the (common) maiden Tanselle so changed the Ashford Tourney.

There is a Rather Formidable enemy of Young Griff whom I have only hinted at: allow me to combine the Clues.

There exists in the ASOIAF series a Certain Character who Knows More than they Should, who has an implied past connection with a young Euron Greyjoy, who is infamously opposed to Blackfyres, who was present for the Ashford Tourney, whose Past & Present can connect just about every active plotline in the series: a disappeared Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, a Hand to two Targaryen Kings & the Master of Whispers to more (with his "thousand eyes and one"), one of the three Great Bastards born to Lady Melissa Blackwood by King Aegon IV, and current tree-wizard mentor to an entirely separate Kingly-coded character.

Brynden Rivers.

If Aegon survives Euron, Cersei, Jaime, AND Baelish? He certainly won't survive Brynden. Whatever Brynden may be right now (tree abomination, Old God Hivemind, puppet king to Feyfolk, Bran Stark's lunch, the distant Blackwood cousin of every surviving Stark), there is no reason to believe Brynden would allow a Blackfyre to go unchallenged, especially in the guise of a "true" Targaryen.

(not that i believe Brynden hopes for a Targaryen Restoration via Dany or Jon: it very much appears that Brynden & the Singers are grooming Bran Stark for kingship, though where & who exactly they expect him to rule is still Unclear)

I hope to do more exploration into what Aegon [Blackfyre]'s Conquest might look like, cobbling together clues from Quentyn's Doomed Quest and Queen Marge's Court (as "microcosm' to the Reach in macrocosm) and historically Targaryen/Blackfyre loyalist Houses. I'm fairly certain I can figure out how the Aegon Conquest will play into the resolutions of the Frey Civil War, (some) Winterfell Conspiracies, the specifics of the Euronpocalypse, & my "Dornish Spring" Theory as well. I'm much less certain on how Stannis would fare against Aegon: would he demand Legitimacy? would he sic Melissandre on him? would Stannis Get Over Himself in service to the Looming Winter? would he even have a leg to stand on the matter?

And would Aegon survive long enough to meet Daenerys, let alone Argue Legitimacy with her? (They'd both be rulers by conquest, not inheritance & it's not like Dany has any backing for her identity beyond "I look traditionally Valyrian" and "these are some dragons i hatched from stone mid-resurrection". The layyer it should be noted, is considered a Death Magic-induced Miracle, not some Secret Targaryen Blood Limit: it's Unique to Daenerys Stormborn, not to "House Targaryen")

[atopvisenyashill]

women i tag by their married names

rhaenys velaryon - this is mostly to distinguish her from og rhaenys

catelyn stark

barbrey dustin

donella hornwood - i find wyman’s anger over her murder to more than a little hypercritical so married name only

women i tag by epithets related to their marriages

daenerys of dorne

rhaena the black bride

daella of tarth 💙

women i’m inconsistent with

lysa tully arryn - i think bc her story is so much about her tully family yet her power comes from her arryn name and she’s not shy about using it

aemma arryn - like her whole story is about being a targaryen and Yet that arryn relation is important to her and rhaenyra

johanna lannister - i go between westerling bc i love them and lannister bc that’s what she’s called a lotttt

minisa whent - i think i mostly tag her as whent but i do sometimes do tully

rhaelle targaryen - i do occasionally tag her as rhaelle baratheon but it’s mostly targaryen

women i tag by maiden names

cersei lannister

cassana estermont

elia nymeros martell - tbh is she ever called elia targaryen?

baela targaryen

alicent Hightower - this goes for most targ brides actually bc their last name is usually important so

aelinor penrose

myriah nymeros martell

jena dondarrian

betha blackwood

dyanna dayne

alyssa velaryon

laena velaryon

daenaera velaryon

alannys harlaw

rohanne webber

black aly/alysanne blackwood

i’m not sure if heiresses count quite the same - anya waynwood, dany, the stokeworths, arwyn oakheart, they all married but they were expected to keep their names bc they’re inheriting, so there’s not really a name change here. i think we should start forcing men to take their wives names in westeros tho.

[neithergodsnormen]

Temporary Mobile Muse List while carrd is pending

Prince/King Aegon Targaryen II (HOTD) FC: Tom Glynn-Carney Younger FC: Ty Tennant

Prince Aemond Targaryen (HOTD) FC: Ewan Mitchell Younger FC: Leo Ashton

Arthur Dayne FC: Santiago Cabrera

Arya Stark FC: Raffey Cassidy Older FC: Ellise Chappell Alt Older FC: Emily Bader

Ashara Dayne FC: Anya Chalotra

Bella FC: Emily Browning

Beric Dondarrion FC: Christian Cooke

Brienne of Tarth FC: Milla Jovovich

Bronn FC: Michiel Huisman

Brynden Tully FC: Tony Curran

Cassandra Baratheon (HOTD) FC: Katie Mcgrath

Cregan Stark (HOTD) FC: Tom Taylor

Corlys Velaryon (HOTD) FC: Steve Toussaint

Dacey Mormont FC: Bridget Regan

Daemon Blackfyre I (F&B) FC: Alexander Ludwig

Prince Daemon Targaryen (HOTD) FC: Matt Smith

Princess/Queen Daena Targaryen (F&B) FC: Elle Fanning

Princess Daenerys Targaryen (F&B) FC: Skye Lourie

Princess/Queen Daenerys Targaryen FC: Anya Taylor-Joy Younger FC: Anamaria Vartolomei

Prince Daeron Targaryen (HOTD) FC: Ed Speelers

Dale Seaworth FC: Blake Ritson

Dalla FC: Alyssa Sutherland

Dalton Greyjoy (HOTD) FC: Woo Do-Hwan Alt FC: Alex Høgh Andersen

Davos Seaworth FC: Viggo Mortensen

Domeric Bolton FC: Torrance Coombs

Prince Doran Martell FC: Ghassan Massoud

Eddard “Ned” Stark FC: Tom Riley

Edmure Tully FC: Engin Öztürk

Edric ”Ned” Dayne FC: Geron Nord

Princess Elia Martell FC: Merve Bolugur

Elia Sand FC: Q'orianka Kilcher

Garlan Tyrell FC: Peter Mooney

Gendry FC: Logan Lerman

Gwayne Hightower (HOTD) FC: Freddie Fox

Harwin Strong (HOTD) FC: Ryan Corr

Howland Reed FC: Joshua Sasse

Prince Jacaerys Velaryon (HOTD) FC: Harry Collett Younger FC: Leo Hart

Princess/Queen Jaehaera Targaryen (HOTD) FC: Lulu Barker Older FC: Freya Allen

Prince Jaehaerys Targaryen (HOTD) FC: Jude Rock AU Older FC: Eros Vlahos

Jaime Lannister FC: Nick Slater

Jeor Mormont FC: Donal Logue

Jeyne Arryn (HOTD) FC: Amanda Collin

Queen Jeyne Westerling FC: Leyla Feray

Prince Joffrey Velaryon (HOTD) FC: Oscar Eskinazi Alt FC: Santiago André

Jon Connington FC: Toby Stephens

Jon Snow FC: Harry Gilby Alt FC: Marco Ilsø

Jorah Mormont FC: Russell Crowe

Laenor Velaryon (HOTD) FC: John MacMillan Younger FC: Theo Nate Youngest FC: Matt Carver

Loras Tyrell FC: James Franco

Prince Lucerys Velaryon (HOTD) FC: Elliot Grihault Younger FC: Harvey Sadler

Lyanna Mormont FC: Bailee Madison Older FC: Morgaine Polanski

Lyanna Stark FC: Elinor Crawley Older FC for survival AUs: Millie Brady

Maege Mormont FC: Natalia Wörner Alt FC: Katey Sagal

Margaery Tyrell FC: Hailee Steinfeld

Melisandre FC: Lucy Lawless

Mysaria (HOTD) FC: Sonoya Mizuno Alt FC: Haejin Lee

Nettles (HOTD) FC: Erin Kellyman

Prince Oberyn Martell FC: Saamer Usmani

Prince Quentyn Martell FC: Mena Massoud Alt FC: Luke Pasqualino

Prince Rhaegar Targaryen FC: Toby Regbo

King Robb Stark FC: Ruairi O'Connor

Rolly Duckfield FC: Sam Heughan

Roose Bolton FC: Tom Mison 

Roslin Frey FC: Synnøve Karlsen

Sandor Clegane FC: Sam Woolf

Sansa Stark FC: Laoise Murray Older FC: Rachel Skarsten

Satin Flowers FC: Timothée Chalamet

Princess Shireen Baratheon FC: Bláthnaid McKeown Older FC: Jessamine Bliss Bell

Sigorn FC: Christian Hillborg Alt FC: Alexander Ludwig

King Stannis Baratheon FC: Craig Parker

Theon Greyjoy FC: Song Joong Ki Alt FC: Gijs Blom

Torrhen Karstark FC: Lorenzo Richelmy

Tywin Lannister FC: Luke Treadaway as a young man FC: Todd Lasance

Tyland Lannister FC: Jefferson Hall

Varys FC: Gustaf Skarsgård

Victarion Greyjoy FC: Rick Yune Alt FC: Richard Armitage Alt FC: Peter Franzén

King Viserys Targaryen I (HOTD) FC: Paddy Considine

Prince/King Viserys Targaryen III FC: Jamie Campbell Bower Younger FC: Eoin Murtagh

Willas Tyrell FC:Daniel Sharman

[imaginarianisms]

this is for reference poiposes:

aegon iv targaryen/melissa blackwood > mya, gwenys, & brynden "bloodraven" rivers {bethania, godric & melantha's older half sisters & older half brother}

benjicot blackwood > quentyn blackwood > bertram blackwood/melissa blackwood (who're in my interpretation are third cousins) > bethania, godric & melantha > house targaryen & house baratheon via bethania, house blackwood via godric with tytos blackwood who then has several children with an unknown woman: brynden, lucas, hoster, edmund, alyn, bethany, & robert blackwood, & house stark & house royce via melantha through edwyle & jocelyn (who marries benedict royce) respectively.

bethania > jaehaerys/shaera (also duncan who married jenny of oldstones & daeron who was gay; aegon v/bethania) > aerys/rhaella (grandchildren) > rhaegar, viserys, daenerys (great grandchildren) > laena iii & corlys iii velaryon (rhaegar/shaera velaryon), rhaenys & aegon vi targaryen-martell (rhaegar/elia martell), jon snow (rhaegar/lyanna stark), khalakka rhaego (daenerys/khal drogo) {great great grandchildren} > any of laena iii's future children with willas tyrell, any of jon's future descendants with... honestly i have no idea who, maybe daenerys or possibly val i have no idea, any of daenerys' future descendants with g-d knows who.

bethania > rhaelle (aegon v/bethania) > steffan (ormund baratheon/rhaelle; grandchild) > robert i, stannis i, renly i (ormund/cassana estermont; great grandsons) > joffrey i, myrcella, tommen i (legally robert/cersei lannister), mya stone, bella rivers, gendry waters, barra waters, unidentified twins, edric storm & 9 others (robert/many women), shireen baratheon (stannis/selyse florent) {great great grandchildren}

bethania (& in my theory that's likely very plausible due to the timeline, her sister:) melantha > edwyle (willam/melantha; bethania's nephew) > rickard (edwyle/marna locke; bethania's grandnephew) > brandon, eddard, lyanna, benjen (rickard/lyarra; great grandnephews & grandniece) > robb, sansa, arya, bran, rickon (eddard/catelyn tully; great great grandnephews & grandnieces), jon (lyanna/rhaegar targaryen) > robb & jeyne westerling's unborn baby, any of jon's future descendants with... honestly i have no idea who, maybe daenerys or possibly val i have no idea, catelyn, mariyam & likely more stark-velaryon children (sansa/aurane velaryon), any children (most likely with gendry but you never know) that arya could possibly have in the far future bc she's sailing west of westeros {great great great grandnephews/grandnieces}.

[smolminimonnie]

6 the kiss for Snadger.

A. Elia Westerling and B. Felix Rosier

DM me for what they look like

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