#duogenital

[intersexcat-tboy]

When intersex individuals speak out about the fetishization from perisex trans individuals, it's not an abstract concern; it's a lived reality. It's about moments like this, where stumbling upon fetishistic and intersexist content in the main intersex tag feels like a slap in the face.

Fetishizing intersex bodies is not only disrespectful, but also perpetuates harmful stereotypes and misinformation. It reduces individuals to how we can provide sexual gratification, completely disregarding our humanity and dignity. Moreover, it ignores the harsh realities of intersex experiences, instead opting for romanticized idealizations that erase the complexities and challenges we face on a daily basis.

"I just think that would be interesting"

Not only does this post misunderstand what it means to be intersex, but it also brings fetishization into a space meant for support, education, and advocacy.

What you're describing is having bigenitals, duogenitals, or being salmacian. Believing intersex individuals to have both genitals is both harmful misinformation and a fetishized construct, a fabricated notion that distorts the reality of intersex identities.

You cannot transition into being intersex, have surgery to become intersex, or be "reconstructed" in a way that would make you intersex. Intersex is not defined by genitals, it is so much more than that.

Fuck you, honestly. Get out of our tags

Warning: gender/horny rambling on main

So I'm transfem, right? That means I have a cock. And I'm happy with it! I love it, so I don't want bottom surgery. BUT. What if I got down there reconstructed in a way where I was intersex? Like both having my cock and a hole for a vagina? I just think that would be interesting

Like tbh that is my ideal situation, I want ALL the options. Wanna fit three dicks in me? Yeah sure. Wanna deepthroat me? Absolutely. Wanna finger me and choke on me at the same time? Open wide. The fuckabilities would be endless that would be fun :3

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I'm such a normal human being with normal wants and desires~

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Duomorphous/duomorphia, ambimorphia/ambimorphous/ambimorphic, ambicorporeal/duocorporeal, duoian/duoic or duophenotypic/ambiphenotypic: having dysphoria/dysmorphia that leads you to desire mixed sex characteristics, or seeing yourself more comfortable/euphoric in having ambiguous sex traits.

While bigenital (salmacian/aphrodisian) refers specifically to genitals and bigonadal to gonads, -morph is general for traits/characteristics, similar to bisexed but specifically “mixed”/”ambiguous”. -Ap

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fyi i am not a transandrophobia/transmisandry truther and im gonna explain why. preliminary note im not transfem/transmasc and dont experience transmisogyny, all of the info i have is directly from my transfem friends or from trans women talking about this stuff. take with a grain of salt and listen to trans women on this first and foremost!

21/10/2022 edit: if another one of you weirdos assumes that im cis because im not transmasc or transfem im going to assume that you are actually faking your acceptance of complex identities, or actually any identity that doesnt fit your trinary of man/woman/nonbinary (as a whole label, not an umbrella term) suck my transneutral duogenitals

transandrophobia is a term that doesn't need to exist, because it was made to mirror the term transmisogyny but for transmascs, but transandrophobia truthers (TAT's for short) misunderstand what transmisogyny actually means (which is pretty much the driving force behind this whole discourse, lack of research and understanding)

transmisogyny is the intersection of transphobia (based on the birth sex) and misogyny (based on the desired sex) -- an example of this in cissexist standard would be "failed to be a man, trying to get pity by being a woman" which leads to degendered dehumanisation. trans men are hugely more impacted by cissexist misogyny, since we all live in a massively misogynistic society still, so theres no need for a term that intersects transphobia and a societal nonproblem, cissexist misandry. even if transandrophobia WAS just a term for 'transphobia against tmascs' (which is dumb, you can just say transphobia) transfems dont have a term like that, why do you! thats not what transmisogyny is at best and an intentional misinterpretation at worst.

misandry does happen to tmascs in ways, like "if you go on T youll become a digusting bald angry abuser", but thats about it, a misogynist society will always favour men, even if the 'stupid weak women' are trying to play pretend as us 🤪 that isnt comparable to transfeminine mass fetishisation in the sex work industry (which is the intersection of misogyny, since theyre supposedly ""not woman"" but still treated as sex objects since "they wanna be women!") (which trans men also suffer from vis a vis the whole cuntboy fetish!!!)

i understand the thoughtline of "they get a special word" -> "their discrimination is worse than mine" -> "we need a special word too" that TATs go along but you have to break out of the trauma-olympics mindset. trauma is trauma, doesnt matter how much you suffer

TLDR; transmascs suffer more from cissexism a la misogyny than they do misandry, so transandrophobia is an unneeded term and only divides tfems and tmascs more for the sake of 'our special boy-discrimination word'

this is an EXPLANATION post on why im not a transandrophobia truther, not a discourse post -- if you debate on this post/try to get a response just know ive already muted this post and am going to go play crazy golf. i genuinely do not care about this discourse, i care about real life transphobia, byyeeee

[lewdityiota]

gonna preface this by saying I'm perisex, so if I'm off the mark on any of this and an intersex person wants to correct me, you are more than welcome! I just hadn't seen anyone else point it out, and I figured someone ought to.

I can see the point that replacing every usage with intersex would still have attached issues! I don't think that would be a good solution if implemented in game at all. (Honestly I think there would have to be a complete overhaul to completely fix the intersexism issues) I do think it's probably the best word to use in the fandom, though. I've see the term bigenital/duogenital in similar contexts, that might also work? But its not really as widely understood, so idk, it feels like a taller order to convince people to use

It's true the word does originate from mythology, and it also has a long history of being used as a slur for human beings. The way DOL does it isn't realistic, you're right, but I think that's more because it's rooted in misconceptions and intersexism than because it has nothing to do with intersex people in the first place. It's the same kind of fetishization as "futas". Just swapping it out for intersex wouldn't fix everything, but at the very least I think not using a slur would be an improvement ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (if i can analogize to my own experiences as a trans person, if there was a game with fictional characters who aren't trans and just happen to be otherwise-cis men with vulvas and otherwise-cis women with penises, I would prefer people not use the word tranny to refer to them. That's not a 1-to-1 comparison by any means, but I don't think the situations are entirely different)

Here's some posts from intersex people who know a lot more than me on the topic, take their word over mine: 1 (particularly relevant re: whether swapping it out for intersex works), 2 (post about the word's usage more generally), 3 (this one has a paragraph about "hermaphrodite ocs" which feels relevant here). There's a lot more if you go looking, these were just a handful I could find fairly easily.

hey PSA cuz seeing people in the DOL fandom use it so casually is driving me up the wall:

Hermaphrodite is an intersexist slur

If you’re not intersex, you should not be using that word to describe your character. (“Herm” too)

The fact it’s in the game in the first place is already :/ but at the very least I’d hope the fandom would be a bit more sensitive. Just call your PCs intersex instead. Thanks.