#duchess of shrewsbury

[defensivelee]

Shrewsbury was a man who put off getting married for literal decades and when he finally did get married, it wasn't to a rich young heiress, he chose a Catholic Italian widow with no money no future no prospects and, some even said, no looks (they were unbelievably mean to my dear Nothing Girl), a woman whom he knew that nobody back home would approve of. he married her being fully aware of EVERYTHING he was walking into.

so for people to seriously think he wasn't in love with her is actually fucking embarrassing

[une-sanz-pluis]

James Hamilton Wylie, "Lady Philippa" in History of England Under Henry the Fourth, Volume 2

[wonder-worker]

What were the symbols of Margaret of Anjou, Elizabeth Wydeville and Elizabeth of York? Do we know why they chose them?

Hi!

Margaret of Anjou used the marguerite daisy, which was white tipped in red. We see it in the Talbot-Shrewsbury book and the ‘Book of the Skinners Company’ in 1475. This flower seems to have been a common symbol/emblem for women named Margaret in England: iirc, Margaret Holland Duchess of Clarence and her granddaughter Margaret Beaufort were also represented by it at times.

Elizabeth Woodville used a deep red gillyflower or clove pink. These were strongly associated with Virgin Mary's iconography; this specific shade symbolized virtuous love, betrothal and marriage; and it was also known as the ‘queen of delights’, giving it distinctly royal associations. Compared to both predecessor and her daughter, Elizabeth’s had no ‘default’ symbol to use, so she evidently got creative.

Elizabeth of York used the white rose of York, one of her father’s most important symbols. This was not just a personal emblem but distinctly dynastic: it emphasized Elizabeth's identity as the Yorkist heiress and contributed to Tudor image politics, in turn symbolized by their now-iconic red-and-white rose.

Hope this helps! If anyone wants to add anything, feel free <3

[eve-to-adam]

“The Queen sat crowned ‘in her estate’ at the high table flanked by the sceptre bearers, kneeling. The Archbishop of Canterbury sat on the Queen’s right, the Duchess of Suffolk and Lady Margaret of York on her left. Kneeling on the Queen’s left were the young Countess of Shrewsbury and the Countess of Kent, who held a veil before the Queen when she ate. Elizabeth herself removed her crown while eating and replaced it when she had finished.“ - Elizabeth: England’s Slandered Queen by Arlene Okerlund.

This is a sketch I did quite late last night. It is part of the series of illustrations that I want to make for my artist book, which I will put together with the character design of the characters, huehue.

I need luck to finish such a project. My ambition will kill me.

[austxnland]

Nota: Los títulos nobiliarios son rsrvabls tant pr prsonaj como por familia; esto es, Lady X, una jovencita londinense de noble abolengo, podrá reservar el Ducado de Norfolk para su familia, sea para un NPC o un familiar que luego pondrá en búsqueda. Así mismo, para evitar confusiones, cada título tiene un apellido familiar adjudicado.

Títulos no libres a reserva (históricamente conferidos a los príncipes):

Duque y Duquesa de York (Duke and Duchess of York). Este título a menudo se otorga al segundo hijo del monarca.

Duque y Duquesa de Cornwall (Duke and Duchess of Cornwall). Reservado por tradición al Príncipe de Gales, el primer hijo del monarca.

Duque y Duquesa de Edinburgh (Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh). Históricamente otorgado a hijos menores del monarca, en nuestro caso al tercero.

Títulos libres a reserva:

Duque y Duquesa de Sussex (Duke and Duchess of Sussex). Familia: Mountbatten.

Duque y Duquesa de Norfolk (Duke and Duchess of Norfolk). Familia: Howard

Duque y Duquesa de Bedford (Duke and Duchess of Bedford). Familia: Russell

Duque y Duquesa de Devonshire (Duke and Duchess of Devonshire). Familia: Cavendish.

Duque y Duquesa de Northumberland (Duke and Duchess of Northumberland). Familia: Percy.

Duque y Duquesa de Dorset (Duke and Duchess of Dorset). Familia: Sackville.

Duque y Duquesa de Wellington (Duke and Duchess of Wellington). Familia: Wellesley.

Duque y Duquesa de Marlborough (Duke and Duchess of Marlborough). Familia: Churchill.

Duque de Rothesay (Escocia*)

Duque de Hamilton (Escocia*)

Duque de Buccleuch y Queensberry (Escocia*)

Duque de Argyll (Escocia*)

Duque de Atholl (Escocia*)

Duque de Montrose (Escocia*)

Duque de Roxburghe (Escocia*)

Marqués y Marquesa de Bath (Marquess and Marchioness of Bath). Familia: Thynn.

Marqués y Marquesa de Winchester (Marquess and Marchioness of Winchester). Familia: Paulet.

Marqués y Marquesa de Lansdowne (Marquess and Marchioness of Lansdowne). Familia: Petty-FitzMaurice.

Marqués y Marquesa de Salisbury (Marquess and Marchioness of Salisbury). Familia: Cecil.

Marqués y Marquesa de Northampton (Marquess and Marchioness of Northampton). Familia: Compton.

Conde y Condesa de Derby (Earl and Countess of Derby). Familia: Stanley.

Conde y Condesa de Essex (Earl and Countess of Essex). Familia: Devereux.

Conde y Condesa de Warwick (Earl and Countess of Warwick). Familia: Greville.

Conde y Condesa de Shrewsbury (Earl and Countess of Shrewsbury). Familia: Talbot.

Conde y Condesa de Carlisle (Earl and Countess of Carlisle). Familia: Howard.

Vizconde y Vizcondesa de Falkland (Viscount and Viscountess of Falkland). Familia: Cary.

Vizconde y Vizcondesa de Hereford (Viscount and Viscountess of Hereford). Familia: Devereux.

Vizconde y Vizcondesa de Gage (Viscount and Viscountess of Gage). Familia: Gage.

Vizconde y Vizcondesa de Melville (Viscount and Viscountess of Melville). Familia: Dundas.

Vizconde y Vizcondesa de Bridport (Viscount and Viscountess of Bridport). Familia: Hood.

Barón y Baronesa de Berkeley (Baron and Baroness of Berkeley). Familia: Berkeley.

Barón y Baronesa de Montagu (Baron and Baroness of Montagu). Familia: Montagu.

Barón y Baronesa de Byron (Baron and Baroness of Byron). Familia: Byron.

Barón y Baronesa de Leighton (Baron and Baroness of Leighton). Familia: Leighton.

Barón y Baronesa de Lovelace (Baron and Baroness of Lovelace). Familia: King.

[kwebtv]

The First Churchills - BBC Two - Septembr 27, 1969 - December 13, 1969

Period Drama (12 Episodes)

Running Time: 60 minutes

Stars:

Susan Hampshire as Sarah Jennings Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough

John Neville as John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough

James Villiers as King Charles II

John Westbrook as King James II

Sheila Gish as Queen Mary, wife to James II

Alan Rowe as King William III

Lisa Daniely as Queen Mary II

Margaret Tyzack as Queen Anne

Roger Mutton as Prince George of Denmark

Robert Robinson as King Louis XIV

John Standing as Sidney Godolphin

Frederick Peisley as Lord Shaftesbury

Job Stewart as Lord Shrewsbury

James Kerry as James, Duke of Monmouth

Richard Pearson as Robert Harley

Moira Redmond as Barbara, Duchess of Cleveland

Richard Warwick as Francis Godolphin

Polly Adams as Henrietta Churchill

Graham Armitage as John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester

Colin Bean as Lord Russell

Consuela Chapman as Duchess of Portsmouth

Michael Culver as Charles Churchill

Andria Lawrence as Nell Gwyn

Michael Lynch as D'Artagnan:

Kay Patrick as Henrietta Wentworth

Arthur Pentelow as Marquess of Carmarthen

Bruce Purchase as Duke of Buckingham

John Ringham as Laurence Hyde, 1st Earl of Rochester

Nicholas Smith as Titus Oates

Michael Attwell as Henry St John

Jill Balcon as Abigail Masham

Freddie Wilson as James Stuart, the Old Pretender

Yvonne Antrobus as Anne Churchill

Robert Mill as Charles Spencer, 3rd Earl of Sunderland

William Job as Adam de Cardonnel

Bernard Taylor as William Cadogan

Francis Wallis as John Churchill, Marquess of Blandford

The First Churchills was the first series telecast by PBS under the title of Masterpiece Theatre from January 10, 1971 - March 28, 1971

[richmond-rex]

When Henry VII became king and made his wife legalized again, did Elizabeth inherit her father's lands and estates (Did Yorkshire belonged to Edward IV)? Or Henry VII inherited the land and property because it belonged to the previous king and Henry VII was the next king. Thank you!

Hi! Henry VII received the entirety of the crown lands, the estates that had passed into the crown's hands because of past attainders, and the lands that had been integrated into the crown by 1485 such as the Duchy of Lancaster. The lands belonging to the Duke of York — which included the lands belonging to the Earldom of March — had not been integrated into the crown by that time (they were supposed to go to Edward IV's second son Richard of Shrewsbury). During Henry VII's first parliament, Elizabeth of York was declared Duchess of York so that those lands could formally come into her possession.

However, it's important to know that the lands belonging to the Duke of York did not correspond to Yorkshire! Most of them were in the south and in the Welsh Marches. It explains why initially the north of England was staunchly Lancastrian, a fact that Henry VII acknowledged as soon as he won the crown, citing 'the great dangers, perils, losses of goods, and lives, that the ancestors of the inhabitants of that country [north] have borne and suffered for the quarrel and title of the most famous prince, and of blessed memory, King Henry, our uncle.'

[pepperf]

Weird asks: 1, 26, 33

1: who is/are your comfort character(s)?

Currently it's always Diego and Lila, but I'm also rewatching Due South at the moment, and I still adore Fraser and Vecchio, they absolutely haven't lost their charm in the (oh god) 30 years since I first watched the show.

(30 years??!!?!?! HOW???)

26: a scenario that you’ve replayed multiple times?

lol - do you mean: every fic I've ever written? Okay, at the moment, my bedtime story for myself is a Due South plot adapted for Diego and Lila, with Diego the ex-boxer and single dad, struggling to make ends meet, takes on a side-hustle throwing himself in front of cars for an insurance scam, is rescued by The Most Unlikely Mountie Of All Time (Lila's mother is some kind of Canadian ambassadorial whatever). She helps him get home, a few blocks from where she lives, and meets his adorable little girl, tells the girl that she's a Mountie, Diego is like, thanks for the help but don't help me again and stop lying to my kid. Kid goes in search of Lila bc she hears from her teacher that Mounties help people, and asks her to help her dad...and that's as far as I've got. XD

33: the last adventure you’ve been on?

Ooh...well, I think actually that was one you sent me on, with the National Trust ticket offer! As well as Greys Court, we went to Cliveden last week, which is a magnificent stately home, now a fancy hotel, a gift from the 2nd Duke of Buckingham to his mistress, the Duchess of Shrewsbury. Some gift! The grounds are gorgeous, we walked through the woods for a mile and a half before we got anywhere near the house, found a tortoise fountain, endless stairs, had lunch by the river (in the pouring rain), witnessed a proposal (aww) (with accompanying photographer - it's that kind of place), and had tea in the conservatory. There was a magnificent display of gourds, and a fountain of love, and a looooong walk back to the car.

Thank you!!!

[venicepearl]

Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk, later Duchess of York and Duchess of Norfolk (10 December 1472 – c. 19 November 1481) was the child bride of Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York, one of the Princes in the Tower. She died at the age of eight.

[defensivelee]

i don't want to dwell so much on the uhhh present happenings, but coincidentally i was looking thru what's labeled as 'the elections' portion of the duchess of marlborough's correspondence, where i found a letter addressed to her by mary, countess cowper. not so long ago, actually, just october 23rd....1710 :3

in it lady cowper briefly mentions adelhida talbot, the duke of shrewsbury's wife! she was known to be very outspoken and bold and flirty, to the point she annoyed even sarah. some additional context to this is the fact that she was also a fine entertainer in her own home and adored parties and companyyyy (･ω<)☆

this is what lady cowper has to say:

Your description of the Duchess of Shrewsbury is very good. I have heard much such an account of her, only with this addition. My Lord Duke looking a little grave, she chucked him several times under the chin, bidding him look up amongst all the company. She is a great honour to a court.

when i tell you this woman had a STRANGLEHOLD on her husband (ノ*°▽°*) !!!

[une-sanz-pluis]

same Margaret anon as before! The question is completely different so I figured sending it in the same ask would be very random.

Margaret's personal symbol was the marguerite, right? Do we know what colour it was? I remember reading it was white somewhere but I can't find the source anywhere now

Yes we do! We have two surviving depictions of the marguerite Margaret used, the first of which is in the Talbot-Shrewsbury Book that was made to commemorate Margaret's marriage to Henry VI. Throughout the manuscript are many depictions of the marguerite daisy which is depicted as white tipped with red. For instance:

Another depiction comes the Books of the Skinners Company, from when she was entered into the Fraternity of Our Lady in 1475, and the backdrop is decorated with white marguerites:

They're obviously more stylised than the ones depicted in the Talbot-Shrewsbury book - the petals don't seem to be dipped in red either. Another surviving example of the marguerite daisy as used as an emblem - though not for Margaret of Anjou but for Margaret Holland, Duchess of Clarence - is found on the ceiling of the Warrior's Chapel at Canterbury Cathedral where a white marguerite daisy, for Margaret, is paired with a red rose (I defer all matters of the red rose is meant to symbolise to @richmond-rex since it seems not to have been a badge or emblem used by the Lancastrian kings.)

[wonder-worker]

" Now that all of [Cecily Neville’s] children were married she also had an increasingly large family of grandchildren. In the 1470s the grandchild whose fortunes probably concerned her most closely was the king’s second son, Richard, who was born at Shrewsbury in August 1473 and created duke of York less than a year later. The will that Edward IV drew up in 1475 indicates, as mentioned above, that Edward intended to establish this new Richard duke of York with lands previously held by his namesake, many of which were currently in Cecily’s possession. The young duke would not come into his lands until he was sixteen and there was no suggestion that Cecily would be expected to part with her properties if she was still alive at this point. Nonetheless, from now on she must have been conscious that she was holding lands that should one day be his. In the event, young Richard was presumed dead by the time of Cecily’s own death and it was her great grandson, Henry duke of York (the future Henry VIII), who acquired those of her lands that were not granted to his mother, the queen. The fact that Cecily made a more generous bequest to Henry in 1495 than that to his older brother, Arthur, suggests that she still consciously identified herself more closely with the boys who shared her husband’s title.”

-J.L. Laynesmith, "Cecily Duchess of York"

[fashionunit4ual]

Chatsworth house

The Beginning

16

century

The history of Chatsworth begins with Elizabeth Talbot, Countess of Shrewsbury, also known as Bess of Hardwick. Who grew up in Derbyshire from a modest background , she grew to become the second most powerful woman in Elizabethan England after the Queen. Elizabeth Talbot married four times, and it was with her second husband, Sir William Cavendish,  that the Cavendish line which was established. The Duke and Duchess of Devonshire live at Chatsworth House now. As it has been passed down through sixteen generations of the Cavendish family in North Derbyshire, England.

[jessrose-unit4]

Chatsworth House is famously known for its quality of art, landscape and hospitality. It is known for its revolve and passion around fashion and trends coming from each generations. It is located in Derbyshire Dales and was bought in 1549 for £600. It is owned by the Devonshire family ( duke and duchess).The house and the gardens were first constructed in 1555 by Sir William Cavendish and Bess of Hardwick. The history of Chatsworth begins with Elizabeth Talbot ,Countess of Shrewsbury , better known as Bess of Hardwick. Famous faces in history such as Mary Queen of Scots stayed as a prisoner at Chatsworth House between 1569-84. The snake is important to Chatsworth House due to it being designed by William Kent in 1733. The reason for the decoration is that a snake is a part of the Devonshire families crest.

[fashinistagirlunit4]

chatsworth house through time

Chatsworth house in the 16th Century (oil painting)

Chatsworth House in the 18th Century

Duchess of Devonshire 1952 in Chatsworth House

Chatsworth House 1963

Chatsworth House 1996

Chatsworth house 2017

Harvard referencing:

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Wikipedia Contributors (2019). Chatsworth House. [online] Wikipedia. Available at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatsworth_House. [Accessed 29th May 2023]

Pinterest. (n.d.). The Duchess of Devonshire, 1952 | The duchess of devonshire, Duchess, Mitford sisters. [online] Available at: https://pin.it/67lEiuC [Accessed 29 May 2023].

smtfhw (2016). CHATSWORTH HOUSE 1963 004. [online] Flickr. Available at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/smtfhw/31292259906 [Accessed 29 May 2023].

Fenners1984 (1996). Derbyshire, 1996. [online] Flickr. Available at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fenners/49802872727/ [Accessed 29 May 2023].

[richmond-rex]

Sometimes I think we don’t put into perspective that the Wars of the Roses were a lot more personal to the ones closer to power/the throne (like the Beauforts) than to noblemen like the Stanleys. In some ways, we could even say that the conflict between Richard of York and Edmund of Somerset, Henry Beaufort's father, was the very sparkle that started it all. The 3rd Duke seemed to take it on a personal basis, which is understandable considering Henry saw his father be killed in front of him by Warwick’s forces at the first openly armed conflict of the period. Henry himself was injured at St Albans (he had to be carried outside on top of a cart) and then saw his father’s memory be publicly disgraced by York’s faction who received his father’s late office appointments like the Captaincy of Calais. Worse, at the ripe age of nineteen Henry Beaufort was made a ward of the very man who had killed his father, the Earl of Warwick. 

That Henry Beaufort took it all personally and saw it much more than politics is also clear by the way he conducted himself whilst Henry VI was still in power. When he was newly created Duke of Somerset, he almost threw hands with the Duke of York at a council meeting. Before said council meeting, he arrived with a heavily armed entourage that got into a skirmish with the city's watchmen at Coventry, a Lancastrian loyalist city. He also had a hostile public altercation with Warwick’s brother (John Neville) in London a few months later, described as marked heavily by ‘dyscencyon and ukyndnesse’. A year later Henry Beaufort banded together with Exeter, Shrewsbury and his own half-brother, Thomas Ros, and this time tried to seize Warwick himself who managed to save himself. 

The circumstances surrounding Somerset’s conciliation with Edward IV and later defection are also heavily imbued with what I believe to be personal choices. At the time of his surrender, Edward IV had one of Beaufort's brothers, Edmund, in his custody in the Tower, whilst Somerset himself and other Lancastrian partisans were held under siege at Bamburgh Castle with their supplies running low (a contemporary chronicle suggested they were left with nothing else to eat but their own horses). By reconciling with Edward IV, Henry Beaufort also managed to obtain a pardon for his mother the Dowager Duchess of Somerset and for his half-brother Lord Ros, who received a safe conduct to go into Scotland rather than to reconcile with the Yorkist government.

Once welcomed by Edward IV, though, it’s possible Henry Beaufort was not very comfortable in the same circle where people who had disgraced his family (such as the Nevilles) were also heavily favoured by the new king. At the same time, it’s also likely that Edward IV’s closest allies didn’t tolerate Henry Beaufort very much. When the citizens of Northampton saw Edward IV standing next to Somerset they attempted to lynch the duke, leading Edward to intervene and with ‘fayre speche and grete defeculte savyde hys lyffe for that tyme’. Did the populace spontaneously erupt at the sight of the duke or were they actually instigated against him sometime prior to his coming? If they were instigated, by whom?

According to Gregory's Chronicle, sometime in 1463, Edward IV organised a tournament at Westminster in Somerset’s honour so that Somerset ‘should experience some kind of chivalric sport after his great labour and heaviness’. Apparently, Somerset refused to take part in the jousts and Edward IV, enraged, commanded him to do it again but this time wearing a straw hat (‘a sory hatte of strawe’) in place of a helmet to shame him and punish him for his disobedience. The rest of the tournament contestants rained sufficient violence on the duke to leave him well bruised (‘every man marked him well’) after the jousts, perhaps out of jealousy or personal animosity. 

Emma Levitt remarked that ‘Edward’s treatment of Somerset demonstrated his power and control over the duke in front of his noble peers’, in opposition to other more rose-coloured views of the time the Beaufort duke stayed with Edward IV. For the Yorkist king, Somerset’s submission, regarded as the principal member of the exiled Lancastrian faction, sent a very clear message to his subjects and the international community. From Henry Beaufort’s perspective, though, his sojourn at Edward IV’s court doesn’t strike me as easy as it’s often made up to be. Michael Jones also pointed out that London chronicles suggest that Henry Beaufort’s flight was provoked by his fear of those who surrounded the King and the incident at Northampton where the duke had been attacked by a mob.

I tend to agree with this view, although imo Michael Jones fails to take into account the Beauforts' personal animosity towards Warwick when talking about the role played by Henry Beaufort’s brothers during Henry VI’s readeption. Jones says that Henry’s younger brother (Edmund, duke of Somerset after his brother’s execution), made no effort to cooperate with Warwick because Warwick’s agreement with Margaret of Anjou undermined the Beauforts’ prominence in the Lancastrian government. By that time Warwick and his brother John had also been personally responsible for the deaths of Edmund’s father and elder brother. Again, it’s not difficult to see how that would have coloured the actions of the Somerset brothers during the Wars of the Roses.

I would like to know3rd Duke of Somerset?

Henry Beaufort was simply a prominent Lancastrian attempting to avenge his father and secure his estates.

His 1462 reconciliation with Edward IV showed that those two objectives conflicted with each other after Lancastrian defeat. He did try to make peace with the Yorkist. Edward IV really try to reconcile with him and for a time it seemed Henry Beaufort was willing to make peace with him.

History knows what's next: he went back to the Lancastrian faction, fought for Henry VI and lost his land and his life in the process. It shows that the people hyperfocused on the personal interest of individuals in order to explain their allegiance have a dead spot because they can't explain Henry Beaufort's behaviour. He had no self-interest in joining a poor rebellion that had 0 chance to win back the country to Lancaster and little chance to even sustain itself in northern England.

And Beaufort still joined them, because, ultimately, Henry VI is his king. His father died for him. Beaufort and Lancaster are kin. It wasn't enough that Edward IV was more than eager to win Somerset back and friendly, or that Henry VI's rule was terrible. Ultimately his old oath and shared blood mattered more than the preservation of his estates.

The third duke of Somerset, who was willing to risk everything for familial memory and ancestral loyalty, isn't an anomaly. He shares this with the De Veres, the Clifford, Ralph Percy and so many others. The Yorkist side has this too with John Neville torn apart by having to choose between his king and his family (and then his estates), or Hastings dying for his friend's son, or Lovell fighting over and over again against Richard III's foes.