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Cosette is better than me because if my weirdo recluse father suddenly showed up with a massive, festering burn scar acting completely unconcerned and telling me to call a vet for him instead of a human doctor, I would have simply started killing.
#we talk about Valjean's saint-like qualities but what about Cosette man. that's a feat of mental strength.#also I'm reading the Donougher translation and I presume 'dog-doctor' means something like a vet? truly wild.#Valjean's wretched self-image strikes again#brick completion sprint#anyway Victor Hugo really set out to hurt me with the Jvj & Cosette dynamic in the chunk that I read today..#the bit abt why he hates Marius + the chain gang + the wound back to back to back?? evil. i am unwell.#cosette fauchelevent#jean valjean#les miserables
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#not including wraxall bc it's OOP and/or rarely read and AF's bc it's racist propaganda#anyways i'm genuinely RLLY curious as 2 which flavor of the brick y'all prefer! i'm reading donougher & liking it & will read hapgood after#les mis#les misérables#les miserables#the brick#len asks#i think its rlly cool how many translations we have. everybody can find at least one that speaks to them i think!
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rereading some of the javert passages in the brick and my donougher translates the “his convict” bit as “his hardened offender” THAT IS WORSEEEEE
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we’re so fucking back
#in the hapgood translation it’s written d— so i’m excited to actually get the igne experience#also excited to read the DONOUGHER TRANSLATION!!!! fma is probably the one i’ve read the most outside of my first read on hapgood and while#i do love it dearly i’ve been meaning to read more of the donougher translation for a WHILE
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im getting into brick collecting anyone got any editons i Must Have™
#les mis#iv got al burt 1925#1885 french victor hugo's works illustrated (just les mis)#christine donougher translation deluxe paperback#that one green abridged paperback edition you know the one#and the grey signet classics one
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Sorry, I got distracted and read Les Misérables(for the second time)
#les mis#it’s the donougher translation of anyone’s curious#the first time it was the hapgood#so far I’m liking it a lot more#maybe I’ll see if my local library has a different translation after I finish this one
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Hold, Monsieur the director of the hospital, I will tell you something
So I thought the phrasing of this was SO weird so I checked some of my other translations. FMA shortens it to "Monsieur Director", Wraxall omits it entirely, and Donougher just goes all out with "I tell you what, monsieur le directeur de l'hopital" which flows even worse imo
Anyway all this to say instead of asking the man's name, Myriel fully just went "Listen, Mr. Hospital Director" and that might have been a normal way to address people in 1800s France but I cannot imagine saying that to someone's face today in full seriousness
#les mis letters#its just. so goofy idk#wraxall had the right idea lmao#even mr director isnt bad! i think thats the more direct translation anyway looking at donougher#hapgoods is just a bit clumsy idk#les mis daily
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different translations of how grantaire looks at enjolras before he says ”let me sleep here”:
”tendres et troubles” (original french)
”indescribable gentleness” (hapgood)
”tender, troubled eyes” (fahnestock and macafee)
”fond and blurry” (donougher)
”ömma och töckniga (tender and cloudy)” (rohman)
”loving, troubled eyes” (rose)
#happy night begins to descend upon grantaire night to all who celebrate#les misérables#barricade day#les mis#grantaire#enjoltaire
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I.ii.10 L'homme Réveillé
The Man Awakes: Wilbour
The Man Awake: Wraxall, Walton
The Man Aroused: Hapgood
The Man Wakes Up: Denny, FMA, Rose
The Man Awakened: Donougher
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Round One: A1: Poll Four
Wacky Coffin Heist can be found in the Brick, at: Several chapters of 2.8 (Starts at 2.8.4)
Myriel getting his position by saying something smart to Napoleon can be found in the brick, at: 1.1.1
PROPAGANDA:
Wacky Coffin Heist: (Fun fact! This was BY FAR the most submitted moment!! :D)
Not only does Jean Valjean pull this wacky coffin heist escape, he’s EXCITED to do it. Like his buddy Fauchelevent keeps going “I don’t know sounds dangerous” while Jean Valjean keeps smiling and going “it will be fine! :D it will be wonderful! :D”. It’s one of the few times in the book we see the unbearably sad beast get genuinely happy about something that isn’t Cosette . It’s an unhinged heist but even more unhinged because it brings him this unexpected joy
He comes up with the plan himself, then almost dies because of it. King shit.
( @pontmercysamis (no propoganda, just wanted to be credited for being one of the people who submitted this one :) )
(Submitted by @blatherby ) Most relevant quotes, IMO 2.8.4: You can pick whichever translation you like best for the quotes. Here’s my favorite specific line: Jean Valjean eut un de ces rares sourires qui lui venaient comme une lueur dans un ciel d’hiver. (Hugo) Jean Valjean gave way to one of those rare smiles which lighted up his face like a flash from heaven in the winter. (Hapgood) This Unbearably Sad Beast who basically never smiles (especially not without it being described a sad smile) is now having his smile compared to: - the aurora in a winter sky (Wilbour) - a sunbeam in a wintry sky (Wraxall) - a flash from heaven in the winter (Hapgood) - sunshine breaking through a winter’s sky (Denny) - a sunrise in winter (FMA) - a ray of sunshine in a winter sky (Rose) - a gleam of sunlight in a winter sky (Donougher) … because he’s so ecstatic *over getting buried alive!* Something is Wrong with him (affectionate). Okay, to be fair, he doesn’t *actually* want to be buried alive (… at this point in the book), based on his reaction to the plan going awry later. But he’s having a blast with every aspect of this except for the actual suffocating to death part. His joy over this is so unhinged that—well, here’s Fauchelevent at the end of that chapter: “Agreed, father Fauchelevent. It will all be all right.” “Provided nothing goes wrong,” thought Fauchelevent. “What if it all goes horribly wrong?!” (Rose translation) And here’s Fauchelevent the next day, in the next chapter: Fauchelevent limped along behind the hearse, happy as can be. His two mysteries, his two twin plots, one in league with the nuns, the other with Monsieur Madeleine, one for the convent, the other against, had succeeded together, one after the other. Jean Valjean’s calmness was one of those powerful tranquilizers that are contagious. Fauchelevent was no longer worried about whether they would bring it off. […] Fauchelevent felt completely secure. As the convoy entered the avenue leading to the cemetery, Fauchelevent looked at the hearse, happy, and rubbed his big hands together, muttering to himself: “Not a bad joke!” (Rose) JVJ is so happy and calm over pretending to be dead that he’s literally acting as an anxiety medication. (I propose that we send JVJ on coffin heists and bottle his powerful calmness. Everyone wins!)
the entire coffin heist is so wacky but that bit specifically made me cackle. I dunno I like the juxtaposition
Myriel getting his position by saying something smart to Napoleon:
I don't remember which translation it was that had him say something like "You sir, are looking at a good man, but I am looking at a great man", but Myriel is such a fun character, I love him
#les miserables#mostunhingedmomenttournament#les mis#jean valjean#Fauchelevent#Bishop Myriel#2.8.4#1.1.1
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In that case I'd definitely recommend Donougher. Her notes are considerably more thorough than Rose, and while her prose tops out at Fine--she's not the stylist that Wilbour or, unfortunately, Denny is--it's much more timeless, while Rose is very specifically British and contemporary in that way that already feels outdated.
Donougher is also willing to footnote some untranslatable aspects of the text--puns, and also shifts between tu and vous, which are super important.
I’m gonna get my dad to read Les Mis, but I don’t know which translation to give him. Wilbour and Hapgood are already off the table. Do y’all have any recommendations?
#translations#donougher#look when I say her prose tops out at Fine tho#i do mean it#she just has a tin ear in places#she makes up for it in accuracy tho#and in her rendering of Hugo's arguments in the digressions#donougher is the one to read if you want a very clear understanding of the politics
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The one, in which Javert is roaring, and translators grapple with capturing the intensity. Hapgood proposes: “Bequiabouit” (not too roary). FMA opts for: “Hur-up!” (a bit better). Donougher produces a monstrosity: “Lessghehmwuhahn!”(supposed to be “Let’s get a move on”). In original, it’s simply “Allonouaite!” (Allons vite!) It seems brevity is the key.
Javert deviates from his usual orderly behaviour, disregarding protocols and legalities. This deviation highlights the extraordinary nature of this case for him.
Valjean, trying to bribe Javert (“I will pay whatever is necessary”), likely exacerbates the situation.
The thundering Javert, without any authoritative figure present, and driven by his animal instinct, presents a peculiar sight—roaring, shouting, acting violently, and stamping his foot. This spectacle, coupled with the distressing news that Cosette is nowhere near, delivers a fatal blow to Fantine. In her last moments, she is likened to a drowning person (another heartbreaking reference to drowning).
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now i'm genuinely considering reading a chapter of les mis a day in 2023 MY BRAIN DOES NOT WANT THIS BUT MY HEART NEEDS IT
#the question is what translation though#i'd do fahnestock-mcafee but i lent it to my friend and i'm not about take it back#so donougher then? i think it's generally considered a good translation and my copy of it is a decent size#(paperback but big enough that the text's a normal size)#i feel like i'd give up though and feel awful but also MAYBE I WON'T#i don't want to wait until i can read it in french to reread in full plus it's almost been TWO YEARS which is too long#fuck it i'm doing it
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#les mis#im a donougher kinda guy#though i do enjoy rose and wilbour quite a bit#hapgood definitely gets points for being easy to quote and convenient though#wraxell is... questionable#denny is... questionalble#fahnestock and mcafee doesnt stand out idk#how has no on ever done this poll#les miserables#polls
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Hi! From your posts and comments, you know a lot abput the different translations of Les Mis. The one that I have is Wilbour, which I like the most of the ones I’ve encountered, in terms of wording and writing style; are there any issues with it I should be aware of? As people following Les Mis Letters comment on the original French, I’ve noticed a couple things missing, or bits where the translation seems less clear than in some others versions. What are your thoughts on this translation?
Wilbour is a great translation! It's the first English translation of Les Mis, but has many errors because it was published very quickly after the publication of the original novel. The most common criticism I've heard of Wilbour is that it's extremely stodgy and old-fashioned, even compared to Hugo's language; Wilbour often adapts the sentence structure of French very literally in ways that can read awkwardly or not completely correctly in English. But! I've heard he also captures the poetry and feeling of the language better than Hapgood, though, when it comes to 19th century translations. I believe Wilbour was the first translation I read, and if Hapgood weren't the most easily accessible on the Gutenberg it might be my translation of choice! He and Hapgood also cut sentences here and there but don't rise to the level of massive deliberate censorship, the way other 19th century translators like Wraxall do. The only serious error i remember Wilbour making is in Combeferre's speech at the barricade, where he discusses how women are left behind by society. Combeferre says "Women, we are not much given to thinking about them." But Wilbour mistranslates this as "women are not much given to thought" which is the EXACT opposite sentiment to the one Combeferre expresses XD. If you want a "more accurate" version of Wilbour that fixes the errors he made while translating at an unhealthy pace in a time before the internet existed-- the Fahnestock McAfee translation is meant as an updated version of Wilbour that corrects his errors! However, they occasionally "correct" things he didn't get wrong. For example, there's a moment where Javert boasts "I have claws like a woman" but FMA mistranslates it as "you have claws like a woman." Like, FMA is wrong and Wilbour is right there- Javert is just a strange little guy. For a translation comparison: here's a comparison of how various Les Mis translators handle Les Amis's introductory chapter, "A Group Which Barely Missed Becoming Historic!" You can contrast Wilbour with other translators here to see the general way he approaches things in comparison to other translators ^_^.
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