#distinguished gay iceman

[wearerandomlyyours]

*Ice and Rooster watching their husbands walk to the bar*

Rooster: *Blatently ogling his husband's ass* We did good?

Ice: *Doing the same* We did good.

*Fist bump*

[wearerandomlyyours]

Cyclone: I am 100% on board for this but I am also terrified of what your chaos gremlin husband will do if I engage, so I am going to walk away now, sir.

The Navy YouTube Channel’s prank series idea:

Let Iceman ask a random officer out and tell him “I like you” and see that poor guy struggle.

And if he dares to show any interest Maverick would appear out of nowhere and propose a dogfight duel.

If he gives up we get an Icemav date live report.

If he agrees we get a live air show.

Also if that guy shows no interest Maverick would come out of nowhere furious: Are you fucking blind?

[boasamishipper]

i know we have all talked about warlock and mav being friends (rightfully so their dynamic is immaculate) but i do not think we have given enough thought to ice and warlock being friends

[f4liveblogarchives]

Fantastic Four Vol 1 #161

Mon Aug 12 2019 [05:18 PM] Wack'd: FANTASTIC FOUR VOL 1 NO 161 [05:21 PM] Wack'd: Last time on Fantastic Four: Reed sold the Fantastic Four's branding and general corporate stuff to an evil corporation while, on Earth-A, the Reed who ended up with Ben's powers (Reed-A) has found that sale had catastrophic consequences [05:22 PM] Wack'd: And yes, it's Earth-A. Numbers weren't a thing yet I guess? Later it got retconned to Earth-721, but I'm sticking with A because it's easier [05:23 PM] Wack'd: So this issue opens with Reed testing his own version of the Danger Room? I guess? [05:24 PM] Wack'd: The perils of not having a sliding timescale

[05:30 PM] Wack'd: Reed lies to Sue and says he's worried about how Johnny took the sale, and Sue pretends to believe him but decides she's going to get to the bottom of what's really going on [05:30 PM] Wack'd: Meanwhile, Johnny is upset about the sale--and Crystal, still--and decides to go visit Valeria in the 5th Dimension to take his mind off things [05:31 PM] maxwellelvis: So, you're telling me, Reed is feeling his age and it starts with a lessened ability to firm up? [05:31 PM] Wack'd: Look, one in five superheroes-- [05:31 PM] maxwellelvis: PFFFT [05:31 PM] Aleph Null: reed's unable to remove the stick from his ass in his old age [05:31 PM] maxwellelvis: 🤣 [05:31 PM] Wack'd: Alright, get it out of your system [05:31 PM] Wack'd: I'll wait [05:32 PM] maxwellelvis: I guess now he'll have to get a new Fantasticar, a red one shaped like a Flash Gordon rocket [05:32 PM] maxwellelvis: Okay, I'm done now. [05:32 PM] Wack'd: Okay [05:32 PM] Wack'd: So, the 5-D natives think Johnny's "one of the cursed Andrones", whatever that means, and attack on sight [05:33 PM] Wack'd: Oh, Johnny, one of these days you'll date a girl whose entire civilization doesn't fly into chaos the moment you show up [05:33 PM] Bocaj: Are you sure? [05:33 PM] maxwellelvis: His next long-term love interest is Lyja Lazerfist, so that day is not any time soon. [05:33 PM] Bocaj: Lazerfist is a great name [05:34 PM] Wack'd: Lyja Lazerfist, of the New Hampshire Lazerfists [05:34 PM] Aleph Null: was johnny storm marvel's first disaster bi [05:35 PM] Wack'd: You're not gonna convince me Namor is straight [05:35 PM] maxwellelvis: Him or Iceman, funnily enough. [05:35 PM] Wack'd: Yeah Iceman is just a palette-swapped Johnny [05:35 PM] Aleph Null: @Wack'd namor is extremely straight [05:35 PM] Aleph Null: also isn't iceman monosexual gay [05:36 PM] Wack'd: Name one straight man with the confidence to walk around in nothing but bright green briefs [05:36 PM] maxwellelvis: I'd say Namor probably goes around with "I'm Too Sexy" in his head all day, but that really doesn't argue in favor of him being straight. [05:36 PM] Wack'd: ANYWAY [05:37 PM] Wack'd: Phineas, ruler of 5-D, convinces the natives Johnny isn't one of the robots they've been fighting [05:37 PM] Wack'd: (Deeply suspect Jim Hammond is in this one) [05:37 PM] maxwellelvis: Grand Vizier Ferb remains suspicious. [05:38 PM] maxwellelvis: But he won't let anyone know until he acts on those suspicions enough to confirm or deny them; [05:38 PM] maxwellelvis: he's more a man of action. [05:38 PM] Wack'd: Chancellor Perry meanwhile doesn't do much [05:39 PM] Wack'd: Anyway it turns out, remember those Universal Horror robots Ben-A was building last ish? Turns out he sent a buncha them to attack 5-D for some reason [05:39 PM] Wack'd: Oh hey a Doctor Who reference

[05:40 PM] maxwellelvis: I think they had the license at this time, at least in the US. [05:40 PM] maxwellelvis: Or the UK, but the Doctor did have a brief run in Marvel Premier in the 70's [05:40 PM] Wack'd: They definitely did in the UK [05:41 PM] Wack'd: Doctor Who Magazine started out as a Marvel UK publication [05:41 PM] Wack'd: That's not for another year or so though [05:42 PM] Bocaj: The daleks show up in an issue of iron fist and power man [05:43 PM] Wack'd: Sick burn on the Distinguished Competition outta nowhere

[05:44 PM] Wack'd: Turns out there's one respect in which NYC-A isn't like NYC-616 [05:44 PM] maxwellelvis: It's more like a Poking To The Head if you ask me. [05:45 PM] Wack'd: Ben: I'll say this for you people: you've got rats like they wouldn't believe!

[05:45 PM] Bocaj: Maybe we’re the bad earth? [05:45 PM] Bocaj: No dinosaurs at all except in Antarctica [05:46 PM] maxwellelvis: Ehh, this still feels pretty normal for Marvel New York [05:46 PM] maxwellelvis: Time-displaced dinosaurs and Vikings running amok, sure, must be Thursday. [05:47 PM] Wack'd: So on this Earth Nelson Rockefeller, not Gerald Ford, is president [05:48 PM] Wack'd: ("I didn't vote for 'im," quips Ben, "or Ford either, far as that goes.") [05:48 PM] Bocaj: Hah [05:49 PM] Wack'd: Anyway Pres Stallone says over the TV in a nearby TV shop that he thinks all of these anachronisms are being caused by Earth-616 and plans to declare war [05:49 PM] Wack'd: (He doesn't say 616 because Alan Moore hasn't shown up yet but for the sake of simplicity) [05:54 PM] Wack'd: The military puts NYC-A under martial law and Ben-A knocks out Ben-616 to keep the military from firing on him [05:56 PM] Bocaj: What a nice fella [05:56 PM] Wack'd: ⭐ You Tried ⭐

[05:56 PM] Umbramatic: oof [05:58 PM] Wack'd: Man can you imagine if this arc had been popular or influential [05:58 PM] Wack'd: We might be living in a world where Marvel universes have letters instead of numbers [05:59 PM] Bocaj: Only 26 universes, imagine [05:59 PM] Bocaj: The New 26 [05:59 PM] Wack'd: Might've been like on Excel spreadsheets where the letters double and triple up after a while [05:59 PM] Wack'd: Earth-Z, Earth-AA, Earth-AB, etc [06:00 PM] maxwellelvis: And On Beyond Zebra [06:00 PM] Wack'd: The 5th Dimension later got retconned to Earth-6212, ftr [06:01 PM] Wack'd: Anyway, Earth-616 is entering another ice age, and the news is blaming Earth-5D [06:01 PM] Bocaj: Of course [06:02 PM] Bocaj: Climate change is caused by alternate realities [06:02 PM] Aleph Null: ... [06:02 PM] Aleph Null: Earth-PEE [06:02 PM] Wack'd: Sure [06:03 PM] Wack'd: So anyway turns out Earth-5D's weapon supplier is the same corporation as the one Reed-A and Reed-616 sold their assets to [06:03 PM] Wack'd: Quel shock [06:03 PM] Umbramatic: oh no

[bigskydreaming]

So, still thinking about the Iceman/Pyro sex scene reveal in X-Men Gold, and I still have super mixed feelings about it. I think one of my biggest problems is that as far as I can tell, this was the first indication that Simon might be bi or gay? Like no buildup whatsoever, no clueing us in on how he and Bobby expressed that there was mutual attraction there before bam, they’re naked in bed so okay, guess Pyro is definitely a mlm, cool.

Idk, I feel like its that whole thing where straight writers write gay and bi characters as being indistinguishable from straight characters outside of who they’re attracted to and have romantic or sexual relationships with.

Which sounds good in theory, right? I know they feel it sounds open-minded and progressive when straight writers are like, see, we get that there’s no real difference between a gay man and a straight man so why should you be able to tell the difference out of the bedroom.....

Except that not only invalidates every LGBTQ+ individual who does reflect various stereotypes and suggest there’s something less desirable about them or in a perfect world where nobody saw any difference between gay people and straight people, people reflecting those stereotypes wouldn’t exist. Which, no. Bad. Bad bad bad. Give me a campy gay X-Man. Flamboyant and proud of it. Embracing every stereotype in the book.

Because that’s the other part that’s missing here. This ignores that the most differences between the life experiences of say, a gay man and a straight man, do not come from the fact that one is attracted to other men and one to women. They come from the existence of homophobia and how that shapes the life, experiences and choices of that gay man.

And that’s what bothers me about straight writers who write gay characters as though you can’t see any indication they’re gay until they express attraction to someone. Because who we are is shaped in some ways by who we’re attracted to, yes, just as this is true for straight people. But who we are is also shaped by growing up in homophobic societies that try and teach us to hate or deny ourselves from the moment we understand what being ourselves means, and this is the part of the picture that’s entirely left out whenever a straight writer writes a gay character under the assumption that who they’re attracted to is the only thing that distinguishes them from a straight character.

Like its not like all gay, bi and pan individuals experience homophobia to the same degree or in the same ways. But we all know its there, and we are all affected and shaped by it in SOME way or another, and this shows up in even the little choices and mannerisms we display, in who and how we trust, in how we interact with people, in the jokes we make, in the conversations we speak up in or don’t, etc. Our biggest concerns are not inherently the same as a straight person’s. Our biggest fears aren’t either. And so on and so on.

And this is the part that never gets shown when straight writers think that outside of romantic or sexual scenes, a gay character should be written the same as they’d write any straight character.

[wearerandomlyyours]

Iceman and Maverick can never go to Pride, because they'd come home with 100 new kids.

(Just kidding, they've gone every year since the DADT repeal wearing 'Free Dad Hugs' shirts)

[wearerandomlyyours]

Iceman: *Texting Slider* I just walked in to the O-Club and someone yelled 'Dibs!'....

Maverick: *Texting Goose* HELP I FUCKED UP I'M DRUNK AND A REALLY HOT GUY JUST WALKED IN AND I YELLED DIBS!

[wearerandomlyyours]

Viper: You know, I used to think there wasn't anybody good enough for my godson.

Iceman: *proud smile*

Viper: And I still think that.

Iceman: *audibly gulps*

OR

Maverick: You know, I used to think there wasn't anyone good enough for my godson.

Hangman: *Proud smile*

Maverick: And I still think that.

Hangman: *nervous smile*

OR

Cyclone: You know, I used to think there wasn't anyone good enough for The Admiral.

Maverick: *confused smile*

Cyclone: And I still don't.

Maverick:

Maverick:

Maverick: We've been marrIED THIRTY YEARS...

[wearerandomlyyours]

Cyclone, to Admiral Kazansky, reapetedly over the course of the training detachment: CONTROL YOUR TWINK.

[wearerandomlyyours]

[cassraven]

They would happily wear those ‘Free Dad Hugs’ shirts with pride, let every kid of all age hug them. Mav wouldn’t just want to adopt every kid who lost their families or parents to them coming out who were disowned, Mav would want to adopt every adorable dog, puppy, cat or kitten he and Ice comes across in the crowds, sidewalks or streets or owned by others attending pride wearing adorable collars or pet outfits, bandanas or shirts. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️💖🐶🐾🐱❤️🌈🥲🥰

Iceman and Maverick can never go to Pride, because they'd come home with 100 new kids.

(Just kidding, they've gone every year since the DADT repeal wearing 'Free Dad Hugs' shirts)