#disorganisation

[schizosupport]

Question: Could there be a sort of thing of like... disorganized thoughts, but without it necessarily presenting as disorganized speech?

We feel like our thoughts are constantly sort of... "in turmoil". There's a lot of repetition, interruptions, slow-and-fast periods, nonsensicality. (Not in the sense of headmates piping in with random things--there's nobody to claim the thoughts, they're foreground noise that feels sort of like having audio processing disorder and you're in a loud restaurant, and you're trying to talk to someone, but you're constantly overhearing unrelated conversations and the music and also the TV is playing a sports game and has its audio on for some reason, so it feels like you can't get any words out because you're brain is stuck-everywhere-else. But like, internally, and its "your own" thoughts and there's no doors to get out and take a breather and let your brain relax)

It feels like we're constantly fighting to make any progress in a thought because the same words will repeat over and over. It can take a long time to type responses to people because it requires a lot of focus to get out of that repetition and line our words up right. When talking out loud, we often forget what we just said 5, 10 seconds ago, even if we know the general topic because our brain gets stuck in a new loop. But our speech and typing still has a coherency that our thoughts really don't, and while we still talk "odd" from here and there, it doesn't have the same consistency as our internal stuff, and our "odd talking" mostly comes out with strange grammar or word choices (multi-syllabic or uncommon synonyms), but others don't typically read that as "oh, strange way to talk" (on its own, anyway) and usually as "oh, smart way to talk/picked up regional words/phrases From The Youtubes or wherever" (mite bit, peckish being notable examples), or sometimes "oh, fewer words, trying to keep things short for brevity because it normally talks a lot and it's trying not to do that". And then when we're stressed, instead of less of our nonsensical thoughts getting filtered out of our words, more of our "normal" words get filtered out until we just can't talk no matter how much we want to. Which gets read as "Oh, regular normal verbal shut down just like it usually has", when our regular verbal shut downs that happen means no words in the brain either, when this is so many words in the brain but the filter is clogged so we can't get any of them out.

We've been trying to sort this out on our own for a little while and have come to 0 conclusions, so if this makes any sense at all, a bit of insight or thoughts would be really helpful;;

Yes! Disorganised thinking is absolutely a thing, and it doesn't always present as disorganised speech. A lot of literature on disorganisation focuses on speech and other behavioural symptoms, because it's written by people who study folks with psychosis, and that makes outward appearance easier to describe.

But with that said, there's no doubt that disorganisation can exist in different modalities, and doesn't always mirror itself across. So likewise, I've heard people describe experiences where their thinking was stringent and logical, but everytime they opened their mouth it turned into wordsalad.

And similarly, verbal output can be significantly more coherent than the internal experience. For me, my verbal output always feels a bit foreign to me, like it's a machine that interprets what happens in my brain and makes an approximate output based on it, outside of my conscious control. I can kinda veto and shut it down, but I am not my thoughts or my speech, they are just different aspects of my experience. (That's how I experience it).

I completely relate to everything you said. With all the noise and repeating words and etc etc. For me I feel like there's an infinite number of trains of thoughts and I'm more or less stuck to different ones, but the others will overlap and interfere, and sometimes I get caught by another and ride off on that. And at the same time I am observing the whole chaos and losing track of what it means to think in the first place..

Anyways my point is that what you desribe sounds like a pretty classic manifestation of disorganised thinking :) Hope this helps!

[hippotime]

Even the headings are helpful though. What a treasure.

Dealing With Executive Dysfunction - A Masterpost

The “getting it done in an unconventional way” method.

The “it’s not cheating to do it the easy way” method.

The “fuck what you’re supposed to do” method.

The “get stuff done while you wait” method.

The “you don’t have to do everything at once” method.

The “it doesn’t have to be permanent to be helpful” method.

The “break the task into smaller steps” method.

The “treat yourself like a pet” method.

The “it doesn’t have to be all or nothing” method.

The “put on a persona” method.

The “act like you’re filming a tutorial” method.

The “you don’t have to do it perfectly” method.

The “wait for a trigger” method.

The “do it for your future self” method.

The “might as well” method.

The “when self discipline doesn’t cut it” method.

The “taking care of yourself to take care of your pet” method.

The “make it easy” method.

The “junebugging” method.

The “just show up” method.

The “accept when you need help” method.

The “make it into a game” method.

The “everything worth doing is worth doing poorly” method.

The “trick yourself” method.

The “break it into even smaller steps” method.

The “let go of should” method.

The “your body is an animal you have to take care of” method.

The “fork theory” method.

The “effectivity over aesthetics” method.

[muftisufyan]

Disorganisation has a negative impact on one's life and can prove to be costly. To live a productive life, one needs to be organised.

#disorganisation #negative #impact #life #prove #costly #live #productive #organised

[popsicle-stick]

“Why, this beats even shorthand! May I hear it say something?”

a commission of jack and mina from the scene where he's showing her the phonograph!

[spaghettioverdose]

Whats wrong with defending small businesses? /Gen

A lot of people with "progressive" or "leftist" politics seem to think that defending small businesses and aspiring to start one is the peak of anti-capitalist action or countercultural when it's like... one of the most common liberal talking points. Like you can't be some epic punk anarchist and then want to reproduce the American Dream.

They tend to place a lot more emphasis on BigBusiness vs SmallBusiness and act like small business owners can like do no wrong. Also very common for small business defenders to be like "sure, you can pirate/shoplift but not from small business!!!" which like lol lmao.

There are a lot of problems with the mindset. It tends to distract from actual class politics, instead focusing more on the aesthetics of capital. It tends to towards all kinds of reactionary positions, especially on things such as IP as we have seen recently. The petit bougeoisie have (both historically and presently) often contributed against the working class, siding with the regular bourgeoisie when coming against working class movements. The class interests of the petit bourgoise are often in conflict with the class interests of the workers.

There are situations in which it can beneficial to defend small business but you should not hold a policy of "small business good" in general if you consider yourself anti-capitalist or "leftist" in any meaningful way (although leftist is in itself a meaningless term).

Anyways, obligatory disclaimer: No, you aren't evil for being a petit bourgeois. Class politics aren't moral categories. Yes, being petit bourgeois means that your class interests are in conflict with the working class. Yes, you can still be a communist, it just means you're going against your class interests, something that most of your peers do not do.

[adaines-furious-feast]

Thinking about that scene in Season 1 where Bill runs the Bad Kids through "drills" about where different characters should be in a battle and how you should have your goals/gold clear at the beginning and that was just Brennan going "I need to teach these guys how to do a battle" wasn't it?

[schizospec-culture-is]

not a culture post, but questioning schizospec— what does disorganised thinking look/feel like? and disorganised speech?

For us, it's like.... Think of a normal thought that you wish to explain aloud as a tomato. It makes sense--you can clearly tell that it's a tomato, no doubt about it!

Now cut that tomato up into little bits, and turn it into soup--with a lot of other tomatoes all mixed in too. How do those pieces fit together into something that is still recognisably a tomato? Hard to say--it depends on how finely you cut them (how disorganised the speech/thoughts are at the time) as to if they can even be put back together again in a way that still has the same meaning.

Some people know what tomato soup is at a glance, and can figure out what it's made of if you show them the soup--just like how some people who know you very well might be able to tell what you mean, even if it makes sense to no one else.

Sometimes, the soup isn't cut up very well and still is mainly chunks--so if you put in the effort, you can make a tomato again and it makes sense--aka sometimes the speech is only a little disorganised, and with some effort, others can figure out what you're talking about.

Sometimes, you lose track of which things you're putting in the soup, and you're not sure if you put in a tomato or an orange. You put in another tomato to try and balance it out in case you put in an orange, but that just ends up making a bigger mess. Aka, sometimes, you forget what you were even talking about or what you just said for a second, and try to fix it with more explaining--which in the long run, only makes it harder to tell what you're trying to say.

Probably a weird analogy, but I tried haha. It's hard to explain, especially considering our thoughts are kind of disorganised right now--but also, we'd love anyone else to add on with their experiences!

[pineappleisland]

Guh the addiction hit hard again

Silly comic with the married follower, but only the funny part.

[twinkdrama]

fictional characters exist so people with attachment issues have something to obsess over

[schizosupport]

Wrt schizophrenia diagnosis, referencing a previous ask about disorganized thinking without a speech component, could one still count under the "disorganized speech" or "[catatonic or] disorganized behavior" symptoms with disorganized thinking without added speech or behavioral components, or must wording be taken literally and solely experiencing disorganized thinking (however stereotypical with repetition, incoherence, etc) not count?

Hey! I think that is to a degree up to the judgment of the person who's doing the assessment. In my experience, disorganisation is often thought of as a behavioural attribute that can be observed, so it might be more rare for them to ask you questions about your thinking. That said I remember that we touched on my thinking at some point during evaluation.. But whether disorganised thinking alone, if it doesn't ever show in behaviour or speech, is "enough" to fulfill that part of the diagnostic criteria, largely depends on who's doing the assessing and what their personal read on it, is.

[racetrackmybeloved]

ok but i think we really gloss over the fact that "spot conlon's turf" consists of the entirety of brooklyn.

according to the 1901 Census Bulletin, the population of NYC in 1900 was 3,437,202. of that, 1,166,582 were in brooklyn. assuming that the ratio of newsboys to the general population is consistent, thats just over a third of all the newsboys in the entirety of NYC that spot is in direct leadership over. that is a lot of power.

in comparison, jack is only the leader of lower manhattan. according to that same census, manhattan's population was greater than brooklyn's (1,850,093), but we know from the scene at jacobis that manhattan is divided into multiple newsie groups, including harlem, midtown, the bowery, and the east side at the very least. jack only had the authority to declare that "the newsies of lower manhattan [were] officially on strike", so his leadership clearly does not extend beyond lower manhattan.

now let's talk influence:

newsies from other areas didn't show up to the strike after jack asked them to. just talking manhattan groups, we know for a fact that midtown and harlem didn't show, and we can infer that the bowery and east side groups didn't either. jack is potentially well known among the other newsies, both for his leadership of lower manhattan and his escape from the refuge, but he has very little influence outside of lower manhattan.

whereas spot's influence? unmatched. he decided to show up to the rally, therefore the rest of the NYC newsies did too. also the implications of the midtown newsies (literally right next to lower manhattan so they definitely knew jack somewhat) not being willing to strike when it was jack who was asking, but being happy to follow spot? hilarious to me. this is even more hilarious if we assume that the bowery newsies didn't come either, since we know for a fact that jack goes there often, since that's where medda's theatre is. spot has more influence over manhattan than jack does.

so yeah. spot is in direct leadership over a third of the city's newsies, but the other two thirds? they follow his lead anyway.

conclusion spot is powerful af (and he knows it)

(source for stats: https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1900/bulletins/demographic/38-population-ny.pdf)

[anglerflsh]

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[concerningwolves]

I think the most miserable writer experience is when I've written something in a haze of hyperfixation but then the fixation juice runs out before I finish the thing. this is however turned into the most delightful writer experience when some point later, maybe weeks, months or years down the line, I finally come back to the thing and manage to finish it, seeing where I've grown as a writer in the process <3

[basil-thoth]

THE TRANSCRIPTION PAGE IS NOW LIVE!!!

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My first upcoming project will be Handplates AU by @zarla-s who has indeed given me permission to transcribe her AU!

It's a 240-page comic and WILL take some time to complete, so please be patient with me!

I want to make it to where webcomics are easily accessible for those who need screenreaders.

I plan on commissioning a theme artist to help revamp this blog, but in the meantime I feel basic is best.

[tornadoeffect]

Thinking about how similar yet how different Max and Rachel are...

Rachel is obviously destructive and impulsive in some ways, whether it's intentional or not, but so is Max! She does fix things a lot in the game, or at least tries to, but there are various occasions where she can act upon destructive desires mainly thanks to her newfound powers. For example, she immediately decides to blow up the doorknob to the principal's office when she can't find a key with Chloe and the latter can't pick the lock open. She can also spill Frank's beans onto the ground unprovoked. These are minor examples, but the greatest one of course is the Bae>Bay ending where she quite literally lets a tornado swallow up her entire childhood town to keep her best friend (girlfriend?) from dying. Her very powers are associated with the chaos theory. She says herself in her dream: "You're a goddam hypocrite. You've left a trail of death and suffering behind you.". She also says later in the game: "I can't keep fixing everything, if all I'm gonna do is just break it, over and over again!" Sure, this is her low self esteem and slight self loathing talking (as well as her having a normal reaction to the awful situation she's been put into), but the words have some merit if you look into them. Her powers, seemingly designed to fix things, seem to just make everything worse or break something else instead.

More under cut.

Meanwhile, Rachel turns a small, controlled burning of a picture into a forest fire. She spikes Victoria's drink on one occasion to keep her role in a play. She throws a bottle near Chloe in a junkyard in anger. She develops a self destructive drug usage habit. I'd argue her relationship with dangerous, older men is self destructive. Her difficulty with communication adds a chaotic element to her and Chloe's relationship (even though she's by far not the only guilty party involved). She breaks a table when her pent up anger towards her father escapes containment. She's associated with fire and the storm. There's obviously nuance to her actions, which is why I mentioned them being intentional or not at the start, but it doesn't erase their destructive or impulsive nature.

Now, I use the terms "destructive" and "impulsive" loosely here. And obviously, most of the examples I provided for Rachel are a lot more extreme than the ones I provided for Max, but I still think I got my point across. They both cause chaos, destruction, and disharmony around them, mostly guided by their feelings and what they consider to be "right" or "wrong", "deserved", "necessary", etc. And if the theory about Rachel being the one to grant Max her powers is true, then destruction links them together even more.

Furthermore, they're both young women onto whom destiny shoves great burdens and seems to play painfully ironic games with: Rachel must maintain her perfect appearance despite her unstable and crumbling sense of identity and freedom and the sudden revelation of her family's past, and she ends up an aspiring model dying horribly in a dark room; Max unlocks super powers out of the blue one day and tried to do good with them, but as she figures them out she ties them (and by consequence, herself) to a deadly approaching tornado without mentioning the extremely traumatic events she goes through in a matter of a week, and ends up having to decide whether to sacrifice an entire town or her closest friend.

And most importantly of all: they are both trapped by or in Arcadia Bay, albeit in differing ways. Rachel's case is more obvious: she's literally, physically trapped due to her family's unwillingness to move and her inability to leave alone, which is especially suffocating for her free spirit, and she's also metaphorically trapped by heavy expectations from everyone around her, feeling like she has no room to define herself.... herself. She's buried in the town's junkyard after years of dreaming of freedom. Max physically leaves/"escapes" Arcadia Bay as a child with her move (though she didn't especially want to), and does go back voluntarily, but is almost immediately chained to the very fate of the place and its people out of nowhere. I'd also argue that her past with Chloe and the guilt she feels because of it also traps a part of her in Arcadia for a long time. And after the ending, no matter what she chooses, Arcadia Bay will never let her go for the rest of her life.

[idiotgojo]

Clocked all the haters i fear 😭