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GAME OVER but its turnabout au
#homestuck#homestuck au#turnabout au#homestuck turnabout#dave strider#jane crocker#davejane#????maybe????#it could be so fucking funny actually#dirk and june would explode#anyway i still have only some loose ideas of what will happen later in tb#but i thought about jane and dave mirroring roxy and june in the og comic#well see
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dps x jake has potential but almost nobody has ever thought about it before (sad)
weed smoking girlfriends who hunt big game together and love to just say whatever shit is on their mind with no concern for decorum or whatever. also dirk would explode seeing them together
this is also REALLY funny to imagine. jade is fucking flabbergasted dave is utterly confused, june is sorta peeved but also has no idea how to feel about this. dirk is like. man idk what dirk's feeling.
they would gel well together absolutely. dps aradia and jake should hang out.
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TYSM FOR THE ASK I HAVE A REPLY FOR YOUR TAGS BUT ITS LONG SO ITLL BE UNDER THE CUT AGAIN ive been bottling up my ideas for months im actually exploding rn dont let me talk abt homestuck i will not shut up😭😭😭
I feel like because dirk is the more “explicitly gay one” because in text he is specifically labeled as such (when thats so hilarious considering just how extensive and thought out jakes gay coding seems to be) and i guess people fall back on gpa harley and also post canon jake both being Super Masc presenting and also disregard his expression of femininity as frivolous or comedic. This is so stupid when Literally in his INTRODUCTION he points out his “Sexy Lara Croft Thigh Strap Gunholsters” specifically and has a little bit about them LIKE WHAT ON EARTH ELSE IS THIS MEANT TO BE TELLING US ABOUT HIM😭
Speaking of lara croft i watched both tomb raider movies with cyrus because weve made a list of movies that are referenced or appear in homestuck (at least what we could identify) AND ITS SO ENLIGHTENING OMFG. If you havent watched con air and are a homestuck fan you Need to watch it its so hilarious knowing the context i promise its worth it for homestuck.
BUT TOMB RAIDER!!!! Get this. Lara croft lives in her big mansion full of wacky memorabilia and weaponry and had a deep connection with her deceased father and he greatly inspires her to do what she does. She has a techie guy in the chair who she has coy sometimes flirtatious interactions with. And she goes on a grand adventure exploring the world and interacting with old rivals and discovering artefacts and stopping a great evil. AND THERES ALSO A ROBOT BUILT BY THE TECH GUY THAT SHE TRAINS AND SPARS WITH. TELL ME THIS ISNT WHAT JAKE WAS IMAGINING WHEN THEY SAID THEYD PLAY THE GAME AND HAVE AN ADVENTURE AND ALSO WHAT INSPIRED SO MUCH ABOUT HIS ATTITUDE. But it turns out sburb and reality are not campy and fun and are actually cruel and unforgiving :(
But jakes gayness and expression of femininity are integral to his character and how the narrative treats him and you can tell the exact kind of guy hussie was trying to capture using jake. IDK. My jake interp specifically… have you guys ever met a fem gay bear😭 they tend to be so nerdy and silly its so perfect for jake. I believe if homestuck wasnt such an internet niche thing and was like a tv show or something gay men would LOOOVE jake. You cannot tell me jake isnt a theatric gay and wouldnt take any opportunity to dress up (literally does this in comic)
I think because this fandom is so heavily transmasc dominated alot of people dont know how to or dont want toportray transfem characters😭😭 so many people boil the girls down to just being Nice and Kind because theyre girls and nothing else and all the others whose negative actions are integral to the plot are huge bitches who are irredeemable (literally saw someone say this abt vriska a bit ago💀💀💀) so when it comes to june and the “erasing” of her personality i think it stems from peoples internalised misogyny and also just. Not being friends with any transfems. It feels like it comes from the idea that girls cant be anything but Nice and Kind and Happy. Hashtag guys. JUST LISTEN TO TRANSFEM PEOPLE THEYRE PEOPLE TOO???😭 Transwoman June has the exact same personality as if she had not transitioned.. shes the SAME PERSON. Let her be mean and nerdy and depressed it wont kill you🙏
I also see so much of “X character presents fem/masc so that means i will hc them as transfem/transmasc!” When thats so reductive and brainless im not sorry😭 people seem so paranoid of letting any of their favs be anything other than Trans Boy or Trans Girl or Transmasc Nonbinary. As a transmasc YOU GUYS HAVE TO STOP AND THINK FOR A SEC😭😭😭 particularly about jake and jane.
Jake and jane (aside from davepeta) are THE most transcoded and gender non conforming characters in the comic. I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL Thats literally what both their personal arcs are ABOUT but people think theyre annoying so they dont care💀 but making jake transmasc and jane transfem when their ENTIRE ARCS are about growing up in cishetero society and being conditioned to believe they were meant to be like that too until they discover they dont have to be!!! Jake english would not be transmasc and not know liking men is okay that voids like a whole part of his identity journey.
And then it becomes especially strange to make jake transmasc and jane transfem when crockertier jane threatens to make him into a baby making machine??????? Do we not see a problem with this omfg😭😭😭
If you want a transmasc and a transfem OVERPERFORMING their gender identities THATS DIRK AND ROXY!!! They are RIGHT THERE!!! Both their stories of growing up where they got to Choose their identities and presentation but had to piece those together from the remnants of a dead civilisation and then inferring how theyre meant to be from their friends and thus having flawed views on what it is to be a Man and a Woman. Then ALL the alphas learning that their expectations for themselves were from flawed systems and ideas and that rather they are Themselves, how ever theyre comfortable being LIKE THIS IS JUST TEXTUAL MAN IDK WHAT TO SAY😢😢😢This is why i dont trust alpha kids fans who are only a fan of one of them and not the others bc theyre all integral to understanding eachother
But Homestucks messy portrayal of gender and sexuality is so unique and realistic and offering jane and jakes dichotomy of being in the closet and then once they get the choice to theyre experimenting with their presentation in a very casual way around their friends and deconstructing the systemic ideas that has restricted them back on earth and then to just throw that all out the window feels disheartening to me :/
One of homestucks best aspects is the intricate and realistic portrayals of queerness and ESPECIALLY it being a sapphic and transfeminine centric story, its so special i havent found it in anything else but so many people are so ready to just flat out ignore it all in favour of making everything abt men!!!!!! I could talk forever about the importance of homestucks reversed narrative gender roles but if you cannot admit that the women are INTENTIONALLY more important than the men idk what to say other than Read it Again.
IM SO SORRY I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS😭 like i said im the master of going on tangents dont let talk abt homestuck im insane. But thank you!!😁😁 tomatograter dirkjakepilled me… i hope to be honouring the nonbinary gay jake meta he outlined years ago with grace🙏🙏
Hi tumblr user Zan0tix, I have to say that I love that you draw Jake as big and hairy AND fem. It's such a rare combination outside of mean-spirited caricatures, every time I see your Jake I get a big smile on my face. :)
Hi tumblr user HermitCyclop ^u^ here is a jake drawing for you 🫶
The transmisogynistic demonisation of these features is so maddening!!! I agree! Im glad that the intent (appreciating these features) of my jake design reaches you c:
GOING TO PUT IT UNDER THE CUT BECAUSE I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY. But jake english gender meta because i think about it Too Much and am taking this as an excuse to infodump abt it. 😁
The alpha kids and their specific defiance of both homestucks gendered narrative AND real life societal expectations are so fun to think about to me!! but since we are talking about jake, his specific defiance of both homestucks models of masculinity and femininity in the context of his queerness is like the reason he is my fav character.
He props himself up that he wants to be the adventure "hero" in the homestuck sense (the hardheaded blue femme fatale) and the western media sense (the hardheaded action man) yet whenever pressed to actually act on what he says he always refuses or obfuscates. Because really what he wants is to just be himself! I really love the alpha kids because they all just want to be Themselves, not be restricted and defined by what is expected of them, (all the characters have this but the alphas particularly really hammer this home for me)
The heavy emphasis on their beta selves, the heteronormative archetypes they embodied and what went wrong in their lives that manifest as fears in their alpha selves... im always thinking about it. How differently society affects queer ppls choices in life and then the fact that they all get a second chance and getting to watch them live out that second chance and realize their queerness and them all caring so much abt eachother and wanting to aspire to be better FOR the ones they love!!!!!! it always tugs at my heart strings to ponder😢😢
IM SO GOOD AT GOING ON TANGENTS MY BAD but basically. The alpha kids explicit queerness and how despite the comic itself protesting, they are all shown to be deserving of love (of all kinds) And as a person who super heavily relates to jake, his experience with his own identity (and dirks unending adoration and love for him and likewise jakes belief and admiration of dirk) serves to me as a reminder that yknow! We are all worthy of love!! Even if we dont think ourselves to be (this is just the message of shrek.) and there is always hope to be found in things improving!!!!
But in a text thats explicitly queer and not shy about letting its queer characters do wrong in realistic ways i think this message is incredibly powerful and certainly one of the best things about the comic in my eyes. And i love embracing that in my art of the characters! Drawing queer (but here specifically trans) characters all getting to be proud of themselves and their appearances makes me feel proud of myself alongside them and I think its wonderful to be able appreciate other trans peoples experiences and looks through it too!!
I specifically in homestuck fandom dont really see anybody but twinks (usually dirk or eridan LMFAO) portrayed to be fem in any manner 😢 when jake is the most explicitly feminine man in the comic. (I think the transmisogyny thats kind of rampant in this fandom means people dont want to consider those outside conventional attractiveness being feminine or transfem identities outside binary transwomen if even that😭😭) I am being the change i wana see in the world 🙏 The amount of transfem fat gay bear jake in the world increases by one every time i post
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Date: June 30th, 1984, later in the evening Location: Nicky and Dirk’s flat @bonafideedgar (feat. @emmaofvanity & @ofemmevance)
Most people would probably be surprised, but Dirk had played Quodcup and, in fact, was rather good at it. “It’s pure physics!” he practically yelled to Edgar, sinking a cup on the other side of the table, already several drinks in and counting. What probably wasn’t a surprise was the fact that those several drinks had gone straight to Dirk’s head, low intolerance and all.
He raced around the other side of the table - to grab the cup rather sloppily (okay, so maybe he wasn’t great at all parts of the game, but he could get the ball in fairly well) and tried to chug it quickly but the ball exploded in his face, causing the wizard’s brew to spew out in all directions.
Some of it landed on Emmeline and Emma and Dirk looked up at them with wide eyes, but he was grinned. “Oh shoot!” he said. “Sorry!” To repay, he followed the rules and made it way back over to his side, grabbing one of Emmeline and Emma’s cups to drink himself, giving them the point. “Sorry!” he said again, this time to Edgar instead. “I haven’t quite mastered the running part.”
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Hello, I love writing fanfics that feature June as I find her very relatable, but ao3 doesn't have her as a separate character from her deadname, so how would you recommend tagging her?
This is actually a bit of a shit situation: “June Egbert” used to be its own character tag for about half a year - Just like “Brain ghost dirk” or “Brobot” gets to be its Own Character Tag, except once her popularity exploded AO3 decided a good wrangling job would consist of making her tag permanently redirect to her deadname, so you have to look for her fics *mixed with the mess of unrelated works that are not about her at all*. It’s a really funny choice i’ll tell you that. REALLY helpful. Probably nothing to do with the prevalence of yaoi june works as needed staples of the community and the mod team’s own biases. But I digress.
Anyhow, this means to find June Egbert fics you can’t just use her tag; It’s locked! You have to open “Homestuck” (the fandom tag) and use the sidebar search to specify by term - like this:
Which will hopefully index all works that include ‘june egbert’ as keywords in either their tags or summary sections, but you never know with AO3. I would recommend still tagging her on your works, as this is the only way to differentiate things, and if the ‘character’ bar is rendered useless (note that it seems june pairing tags remain un-indexed, so they work, kind of?) you can always use the additional tags field to be sure your work is searchable.
Happy June-ing!
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HS^2 bloggin’ mainline 2020-12-25
I’m not going to spend time BLOGGING an upd8 on Christmas morning!
...yes I am who the fuck am I kidding. (Bonus stuff and Hiveswap are still well on hold though.)
So are we gonna follow up on the main ship? Probably not, right, with that perfect Karkat point to cut away, right? We’re just going to leave Roxy’s question hanging, as well as makeouts etiquette, and leave while having seen a COUPLE FRAMES of non-possessed canon Jade with only whatever fun fanart was inspired across the internet by the moment to tide us over????
Yeah, probably.
Ugh, more Dirk. I guess it’s overdue. :(
> CHAPTER 16. Welcome to my Secret Lair
Oh huh, I guess not? So... Jane’s, or Rose and Kanaya’s?
Karkat stays for longer than John thought he would. They talk a bit, but mostly they are quiet. Eventually, Karkat gets called away on yet more important war business, leaving John with one final touch on the shoulder. John leans into it in response, though he’s a bit ashamed of chasing down a sliver of physical affection so soon after obliterating Karkat’s evening like he had.
Pretty much, yeah. Can’t blame either of them.
When Karkat is finally gone, John still doesn’t move. It isn’t as though he has nowhere else to go, since there are quite a few places he might attempt to make himself useful, for better or for worse.
You’re still abandoning the task that was explicitly yours to protect your literal kid and his friends, but, oh well. Low-point. Dave dead, house dead, broke news, I get it.
He just doesn’t feel ready for that yet. The remnants of his house are still smoldering, and he can’t stop staring at them. It would make sense, he thinks, to want to root around through the rubble for anything that’s still intact; some half-charred keepsake to claim as the last thing left that’s still his. But he doesn’t want to do it, and he doesn’t want to think about it. And he still can’t move.
Can’t move. No Breath huh? What’s going to get him to, then?
> (==>)
Oh boy, that might help. XD She’s pretty good at that.
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Still with the waistline gap. And was his phone always yellow like his God-Tier shoes?
ROXY: hey john can u do me a quick solid ROXY: actly idk how quick itll be but its definitely solid ROXY: harry anderson says i just missed u being here but could u skip back on over?
Nice, huh! No judgment, just a hey-any-chance-you-could-swing-back. He sort of needs to be needed right now, in a simple, almost everyday non-judgmental way I guess. (That’s what he NEEDED anyway-- whether he deserved it though is up for debate.)
ROXY: i need help w/smth and yr darling boy is holed up in his room working on some fuckin craft project or other and cant be bothered
YES SEW JOHN A BETTER FITTING FUCKING OUTFIT
ROXY: and now that me and u are freshly on speakin terms again i might as well take advantage of that olive branch and put u to work ROXY: assumin you havent died in an air raid, that is ROXY: which id also be interested in knowin about so if u wld be so kind as to reply instead of leavin me hangin
Heheheh. Gosh Roxy is always the best.
JOHN: yea yea sorry im here. JOHN: i just had a hard time getting my phone out of these fucking tiny pants.
Hah.
JOHN: and also my house is bombed out so i'm kinda grappling with that. JOHN: but i honestly am not sure how much longer i need to sit around staring at it. trying to align my memories of my youth with whatever is happening right now so JOHN: short version is no i’m not dead, and yeah i can come back over there and help you out. ROXY: oh sweet yr alive and down to do manual labor its a win/win JOHN: see you soon.
Yep! Pulled away from all the metaphorical, ultra-meaningful bullshit, back to some brass tacks with some easy humor. Definitely something Roxy can do well.~
> (==>)
EXCUSE ME. What is that outfit and pose. Did you--
ROXY: sup ROXY: follow me ROXY: well were just going to my room so i guess technically u know the way JOHN: haha ok.
Did you invite him over for the manual labor of banging you while your son is sewing in the other room
Or maybe the labor is making him a new sibling. JFC
Is this plan part of why we got the sudden content warning that was mocked or was that mainly for Hiveswap
John follows, trying to shake the ominous feeling he got from what she’d just said. He’d been in and out of this house a lot in the past few days. Why should this be any different?
I DUNNO JOHN DOES THIS SEEM DIFFERENT TO YOU
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Yea this seems like a fucc room.
JOHN: it’s not like i could forget! ROXY: ya i guess u only really saw the living room when you were here the other day but i have changed some stuff up ROXY: done a lil redecoratin here n there
So it’s MORE of a fucc room than previously >__>”
ROXY: may have to do a smidge more if my old bff decides im next on the list for bombing out ROXY: but so far so good
Ah geez.
ROXY: just a coupla exploded cars in the yard from some shenanigans our dear son and his friends were in but u kno it is what it is!!!
Well, that’ll buff out easy.
ROXY: can i get u anything? ROXY: just made some coffee JOHN: no, uh, i’m good.
Of course she has a fancy handled winecoffeeglass�� (and the handle does look ridiculous but it’d be too hot to hold otherwise)
Roxy shrugs and swirls her own coffee around in her novelty mug. John looks around. A lot about the room is the same. The family photos, the rug. There’s a lot more cat stuff in there now, though. The bed is new. John feels like he’s about to take a test he hasn’t studied for. He makes himself focus on what she’s saying.
That would be the feeling.
> (==>)
MY GOD. Roxy is so fucking good at this holy shit
She KNOWS she’s making him squirm and she loves it
JOHN: so uh anyway. JOHN: what was this favor? ROXY: yo why dont u just come rest yr tush for a bit ROXY: take a lil relax next 2 me here JOHN: haha uh. JOHN: roxy i uh. JOHN: im flattered, but i don’t know if that’s really the right step right now. JOHN: don’t get me wrong, everything seems so fucked up right now that when i try to think about what might actually BE the right step, it feels like a huge cartoon question mark might physically manifest over my head. JOHN: but I’m not sure if um rekindling our physical relationship is really the best--
So is Roxy trolling him, about to reveal she wasn’t thinking of sex and was just making things seem sultry? Or just had “lol jk” as an option-select, maybe.
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ROXY: r u kiddin me rn egbert JOHN: i’m not? unless you were, in which case yeah lets say i was also kidding. JOHN: oh my god, i’m sorry, i don’t know why this making me freak out.
OH NOOO NOT THE DISDAAAAIN - CRITICAL HIT D:
ROXY: i remember our past boot knockin with fondness but that is a situation im not interested in revisiting
boot knockin XD
ROXY: look john ROXY: i was trying to be polite about it ROXY: offering u sustenance n rest n all ROXY: but you look like shit ROXY: i just wanted to catch up on the whole heinous war situation were in and maybe check in on e/o before leaping strait to the real n actual nonsexual manual labor favor i have in mind for u JOHN: oh.
Hey, she can’t help looking sexy she’s too good at it.
Is the manual labor moving the crashed cars? Can’t Roxy pull that off on her own, or... banish the cars to the void or something? (Oh, but WOULD she want to do it on her own when she can rope in John and bring him down to earth by giving him a useful task? And admittedly his strength and wallet would make things easier.)
John feels his shoulders unbunch. Of course. Yeah. He’s almost embarrassed by how relieved he feels. So what if his ex wife wanted to hook up? Shouldn’t that be a situation he could navigate? Don’t people like to find solace in human physical connection during dire times? Why did the idea of it make his mind white out in panic more than, say, any number of the traumas he just experienced?
Probably some gender stuff mixed up in there too, June.
He doesn’t know, but he believes Roxy that he must look pretty haggard. He probably feels haggard? Maybe sitting down will feel better.
Just put your feet up yeah
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WHAT A CUTE IMAGE
JOHN: sorry. like i said, my "how to react to stuff" meter is completely fucked right now. ROXY: thats fair bud
she’s used to being patient with you don’t worry otherwise you never would’ve gotten this far
ROXY: real fast i do need to do a quick takeback of all that shit i said last time we talked about janey not being literally the most evil person we knew or whatever ROXY: i guess i was hopped up on arguin or somethin since that was before we hit our conversational vibe bc of course u were right and i shoulda listened
Ouch. Yeah, we saw just lately just how far off the deep end she was. (Where was that funny upd8 reaction art summarizing the bit where Kanaya was holding Tavros hostage and Jane was transparently debating “hmm do I let my son die?” and Kanaya and Tavros were just looking at each-other flat-mouthed nervous? I REALLY wanted to share that but I don’t usually want to reblog or put most stuff HS^2 not under a read-more, for spoiler purposes, usually.)
ROXY: im just glad ur ok ROXY: or like alive JOHN: yeah, jury's still out on "ok" but, you know. ROXY: ya ROXY: u said ur house is gone?? JOHN: yep. JOHN: completely. ROXY: jeez ROXY: i would ask how ur feelin but like the answer 2 that has got 2b "prtty bad"
Talk it ouuuut~~ get those feels out there and articulated john
JOHN: yeah. JOHN: i mean. JOHN: no? JOHN: it’s weird. JOHN: it feels like it should be a bigger deal, I guess? JOHN: like it’s my HOUSE. JOHN: but mostly it always felt like my dad’s house? JOHN: and when i started living there after i moved out of here, it was like i crammed myself back into whatever was left of my kid self? JOHN: and it didn’t feel good, but it at least was familiar, you know? JOHN: like living there let me feel closer to my dad, trying to be like the way i remember him, or like how i remember him wanting me to be, or something? JOHN: and i didn’t realize how much i hated doing that until i saw it all go up in flames. JOHN: so i guess i could have used my powers to stop the fire and save whatever was left of the place, but i couldn’t bring myself to do it. JOHN: like some fucked up part of me was glad i got there too late? JOHN: so i just sat there, watching, trying to figure out why watching my house burn down felt like i was being released from prison. JOHN: and even now i keep trying to explain it away, as though it’s because of how fucked up everything else is that it made me feel good. JOHN: but that’s just bullshit. JOHN: it DID feel good. JOHN: i DO feel free. JOHN: sorry.
I was kind of saying some Breath/Blood stuff at the time of him losing his last tie to his stubborn sticking-to-his-kid-self bit? Except now we’re mixing it in with June Egbert and his gender-identity questions too.
ROXY: no need 2 apologize ROXY: we just delved in2 my whole gender thing last time so it seems fine for u to have a turn JOHN: i didn’t say it was a gender thing.
Oh shit
ROXY: well no i just meant like i did some sharing ROXY: like referrin 2 the topic i brought up when we chatted last ROXY: but like now that u mention it ROXY: *meaningful pause* JOHN: … JOHN: i JOHN: ROXY: lol well we can move on 2 the favor part if youd rather ROXY: stick a lil pin in that topic n come back 2 it when u have had sleep
Are you just INCREDIBLY incisive Roxy or have you and John talked about this before?
ROXY: like i said the other day its not like this shits figureoutable in 1 sitting anyways JOHN: yeah... ROXY: sooooooo ROXY: movin on
It’s just fine for Roxy to slow-roll this yeah, if she’s going to pry open that door a little
ROXY: dont be mad but theres a part of the house u didnt know abt the whole time u lived here JOHN: what? ROXY: yea ROXY: i got a secret lair ROXY: for my sciences
OH FUCK YES SCIENCE LAB, of COURSE Roxy would want a cool science lab basement because she always wants a cool science lab basement
ROXY: and i get to it via a transportalizer underneath our bed ROXY: which is 2 heavy 2 move by my lonesome so i just needed to borrow some o your aforementioned powers of wind
Okay no. Wait. What the fuck?
First of all, as funny and MSPaintAdventures-y as furniture being in the way of things is, why would you block it with a bed too heavy to move, but,
Second of all, more importantly, how is a GOD-TIER ROXY not strong enough to lift a heavy bed?!?!?!? Either she’s lying to get John involved in things or this is a gendered cop-out because these characters are superheroes at the TOP of their echeladders, given obnoxiously powerful video-game strength and athletics only to then have ascended into DEITIES. God-Tier Roxy could probably have lifted a bed like that when she was SEVENTEEN! And now she’s an ADULT, out-of-shape or otherwise! If this were a whole CAR I might be willing to handwave it, but just a heavy BED?!? And none of the GUYS are going to have this much trouble lifting a bed like this, are they?? This just feels like following classic cartoony gender tropes in the complete absence of these characters’ super powers, what the fuck, and also Roxy if you didn’t make it Transportalizer-only access you could have given it an entrance you could phase through with your fancy powers to get to. FUCK.
This feels stupid.
ROXY: so if u dont mind woosh away JOHN: uh ok, well... JOHN: a secret science lair, sure, i can deal with that. JOHN: why not! JOHN: it doesn’t work out great when i do the windy thing indoors, though. ROXY: aight then no wind bending just use your mangrit
Roxy flexes, the corner of her mouth pulled up into a familiar grin. John feels his guts, so recently calmed, twist up into knots again. Her eyebrows shoot up and the smile loosens. He must have shown something on his face.
You’re already THIS sensitive about gendertalk?
ROXY: ok or just like push when i push ROXY: we both got sick muscles ROXY: no other adjectives necessary JOHN: yeah ok. ROXY: on 3?
Please, please reinforce the idea that they both have sick strength, because they fucking do and the idea that Roxy actually a hundred percent NEEDED John to do this is BS.
> (==>)
JOHN: holy shit? ROXY: sorry to lop yet another huge scoop onto ur lil brains ice cream revelation sundae JOHN: so wait, if this thing's always been under the bed, how’d you get down here before without me? ROXY: well thats neither here nor there john JOHN: i mean it is kinda. Here. ROXY: fine ok checkmate ROXY: i dont ACTUALLY need ur nerdgrit for this escapade ROXY: like im sorry but i said it ROXY: i mostly just wanted to see you and show u wats down here
THANK FUCKING CHRIST.
If that wasn’t actually just a lie to get him involved I was going to stay SO mad. Of COURSE Roxy can move a fucking BED no matter how heavy it is. OF COURSE.
ROXY: and also uve been ~sent for~ JOHN: ok but like ROXY: john i am inviting u 2 my inner sanctum ROXY: i am literally bringing out the word "sanctum" in case u werent already clued in 2 how cool this is ROXY: so do u wanna go into my secret lair or wat JOHN: yeah!? JOHN: yes? i guess? ROXY: aight good
Yes John of course you want to stop fighting it
ROXY: then as they told me in the hospital before lil h a was born ROXY: just push
eyeroll, but yeah, of course
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Oh cool, sprite form version of her loungewear.
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Sorry for my compulsion to post every full-frame image of Roxy in this awesome outfi-WERE YOU KEEPING CALLIOPE UNDER YOUR BED THIS WHOLE TIME?!?????
That’s like... almost a fucking metaphor isn’t it???? For the relationship you preferred in the other timeline and possibly THIS one TOO or
ROXY: hey callieee i got him ROXY: o damn john sorry i shoulda also told u callies here weve been hangin out again ROXY: 1 more freak for ur bean
Oh huh, so this isn’t an always thing. And these two can get close in more than one timeline where it would’ve worked out nicely. :)
JOHN: oh it's ok, my bean feels pretty well adjusted to freakage at this point so keep them coming if you like! ROXY: k cool i will JOHN: do i get to know what that big thing under the sheet is? ROXY: hmmmmmm no JOHN: oh ok. JOHN: are you sure? i mean, it seems like a pretty prominent feature of the room. JOHN: space. JOHN: wherever we are. ROXY: and a totally mysterious n COMPLETELY inconspicuous feature it will have to remain for now ROXY: we r kinda in a hurry here fyi ROXY: and by that i mean ROXY: we are in precisely the amount of hurry that means im excused from having to a that specific q rn JOHN: right, sorry. JOHN: i will pay no attention to the object behind the curtain. ROXY: u catch on fast egbert ROXY: anyway theres more cool info coming so just follow me
I don’t have any big theories. Is it just the Hiveswap device or something? If Calliope helped with it it’d help explain the Cherubic theme.
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JOHN: so... this is all downstairs? JOHN: it seems like you had a lot of work done. ROXY: well no not x actly ROXY: were in the old meteor JOHN: under the house??? ROXY: ok so ROXY: in hindsight it may have been a bit misleading 2 say like ROXY: "downstairs" ROXY: in reference to a place which is hells of buried underground and may not actually be literally under the house ROXY: but there is no time to explain all that rn john so instead im going to refer u to my adorable little green friend here CALLIOPE: #U_U# ROXY: (hehe) CALLIOPE: *AHEM* CALLIOPE: hi john! CALLIOPE: long time no see. ^u^
Cherubs just really like dark cavelike places full of weird tech don’t they.
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THEY’RE SO CUTE
JOHN: oh, uh. hey callie! JOHN: it sure has been a while huh. JOHN: now that i think about it, the last time the three of us hung out like this... CALLIOPE: was when i was aggressively third wheeling yoUr prenUptial coUrtship? CALLIOPE: if yoU dont mind, john, i'd rather not rehash that period of oUr lives. CALLIOPE: it was more than a little painfUl for me. JOHN: oh. JOHN: god, jeez, i'm sorry. i didn't mean to-- CALLIOPE: hee hee john i am only pUlling yoUr leg, don't worry. CALLIOPE: if anything i was personally a little thrilled with how things shook oUt in that respect. CALLIOPE: imagine, if yoU will, a yoUng cherUb raised in solitUde, whose only solace was the convolUted and tUmUltUoUs romantic schemata she projected onto her only friends from another Universe. CALLIOPE: and then fUrther imagine that this yoUng cherUb, throUgh varioUs even *more* convolUted contrivances, ended Up in the company of those selfsafe friends as an eqUal participant in their sphere of social discoUrse! CALLIOPE: it is a joy the like of which yoU possibly cannot fathom. u_u
Reinforcing that things turning out this way was in fact the FANTASY that Calliope was writing over in the Canon timeline. Just, heavily, HEAVILY implied that the Candy timeline is -- or at least originated as -- Calliope’s fanfiction as a Muse of Space, and its competition for audience interest with canon is the essential conflict between alt!Calliope and Dirk (or Dirk and Andrew Hussie).
CALLIOPE: so to pUt it simply, getting to experience sUch emotional drama myself was an impossibly enriching experience. CALLIOPE: possibly a first for my species! CALLIOPE: it's actUally qUite interesting, if yoU ROXY: *nudge* CALLIOPE: oh, right. yes. i'm getting a little carried away, haha. CALLIOPE: argh, i'm sorry, this is not how i planned to begin this vital conversation.
Vital conversation? What sorta truth-bombs are coming?
CALLIOPE: but to sUmmarise, what i was trying to say is: CALLIOPE: don't beat yourself Up aboUt it john. CALLIOPE: besides, hUman divorces are even more fascinating than i had ever imagined, and being able to witness yoUrs in motion was an honoUr. CALLIOPE: so i consider Us aboUt even at this point. JOHN: hahaha!!! JOHN: okay, well that's good to know! CALLIOPE: ^u^
Holy SHIT that was savage! And we’ll NEVER know whether or not she really intended it so savagely, either.~
JOHN: so um... JOHN: i hear that there's this big secret thing you wanna tell me about? CALLIOPE: oh right, yes of course! CALLIOPE: let me jUst say first of all how thrilled i am that yoU're on board. CALLIOPE: i wasn't sUre if yoUr natUral inclinations woUld have preclUded yoUr coming to such a place as this, and yet here yoU are. CALLIOPE: this whole endeavoUr will be *so* mUch easier with yoUr help.
Uh oh.
Hopefully babies aren’t involved.
JOHN: oh! well, shucks. JOHN: not really sure what that means but i'm just glad to be of use somewhere, haha. JOHN: which, speaking of somewhere, CALLIOPE: ah right, right. yoU're probably a little cUrioUs as to where the dickens we are. CALLIOPE: how much do yoU know aboUt black holes? JOHN: um... like, the big space things? CALLIOPE: they aren't always big actUally, and in fact their relative smallness is practically their defining qUality. JOHN: oh. CALLIOPE: bUt okay i think we are on the same page. CALLIOPE: so, what if i told yoU that we are inside of a black hole right now.
Oh dear, we’re getting into the canon/noncanon divide?
JOHN: um... JOHN: like, HERE? JOHN: we just transportalized into a black hole? CALLIOPE: no, i mean, what if oUr whole WORLD was inside a black hole. JOHN: ok.
Yeah, that’s gonna be John’s reaction. “ok.” Pretty much inevitable.
CALLIOPE: earth c, or at least oUr version of it, has, from the moment we crossed the victory threshold, been inside a black hole. JOHN: ok. CALLIOPE: and not just any black hole, bUt the very black hole in which the green sUn Ultimately met its demise, allowing oUr victory in the first instance! JOHN: huh! ROXY: ("huh!") ROXY: (rofl my fucking ao egbert) JOHN: (shhhh!)
And Roxy enjoys his non-reaction reactions as much as we do, hehe.
CALLIOPE: bUt, paradoxically, the critical moment which determined its capture within the black hole happened *after* that point. CALLIOPE: i refer of coUrse to yoUr decision not to retUrn to the mediUm and fight my brother. JOHN: wait, wait. JOHN: you mean, the meat and candy thing? JOHN: oh my god. JOHN: you mean i actually DID make a mistake that day. CALLIOPE: well, that's not exactly what that-- JOHN: ugh, i fucking KNEW it! JOHN: i'm so sorry. JOHN: i'm so sorry that i put the earth inside a black hole everyone. ): ROXY: john ROXY: listen ROXY: u have got to get out of this mindset i am begging you JOHN: ):
Yeah shake him out of this shit.
ROXY: your choice literally didnt matter ROXY: the whole thing was symbolic in the first place ROXY: literally symbolic in the case of the picnic i mean come on ROXY: it was just some steak and a plate of candy suckers JOHN: oh. CALLIOPE: i mean, i wouldn't go so far as to say that the meal we shared was unimportant, given the sacred significance of the two options i presented. CALLIOPE: but yes, yoUr choice of snack was infinitely less important than the choice which it presaged. CALLIOPE: and even then, calling it a choice woUld be sorely misleading. CALLIOPE: think of it like a coin flip. CALLIOPE: the series of events that led to Us being trapped beyond the event horizon of an Ubermassive black hole could be considered "tails", while the events which would have occUrred otherwise could be considered "heads". CALLIOPE: since both were possible, and paradox space is the way it is, they actUally both happened. and we jUst "happened" (hee hee) to get tails instead of heads. JOHN: you mean we ended up with the bad possibility. CALLIOPE: not at all! since both possibilities depend on one another's existence, it really doesn't make sense to call them "right" or "wrong". they both just "are". JOHN: o...kay... CALLIOPE: u_u
Yeah, it’s going to take a bit more than that to convince him he didn’t make the “wrong decision”.
CALLIOPE: i realise that this may be a lot to process. CALLIOPE: it's easy to forget that this wasn't obvioUs to everyone from the beginning. CALLIOPE: anyway, the reason i went on this tangent in the first place was to explain that the space we are standing in right now has a special significance, in that it is the location which corresponds to the black hole's singUlarity. JOHN: oh, wow. JOHN: um. JOHN: ok so, sorry if this is a dumb question to ask suddenly, but what does being inside of a black hole actually... mean for us? JOHN: is that bad? JOHN: is it like in movie, um, JOHN: shoot. JOHN: roxy what was that matthew mcconaughey movie from your earth that we watched? ROXY: u mean interstellar JOHN: RIGHT. JOHN: the one with the organ. JOHN: man. i cried at that movie so much. ROXY: lol u can say that again ROXY: iirc at least part of y u got so weepy was the fact that u couldnt believe a version of earth existed where ppl got 2 watch more mcconaughey films than you JOHN: listen. JOHN: i simply don't think you all appreciated the gift you were given. CALLIOPE: i don't believe i'm familiar with this particular film ^u^;; ROXY: oh dont worry cal you didnt miss much JOHN: (gasp)
This is all gold
ROXY: but the important point is that no its not really an interstellar type situation here egbert ROXY: ur not gonna enter a weird time vortex and change the trajectory of a little girls life with the power of love JOHN: aw.
Dammit, now we have to be on the lookout for that possibility. Or it did sort of already happen more than once to John. ...Whatever.
CALLIOPE: to go back to your original question, john. CALLIOPE: it's not strictly speaking "bad" for Us to be inside of a black hole, mUch thoUgh that contradicts most of what anyone knows about them. CALLIOPE: of coUrse, if we had fallen into it, that woUld be a whole other kettle of fish. CALLIOPE: the tidal forces woUld have stretched Us all into spaghetti and then ripped us apart! CALLIOPE: bUt the natUre of oUr arrival was more akin to simply "being" here, sUddenly. one moment we were not, and the next moment we were, and somehow always had been. CALLIOPE: in everyday, practical terms, being inside of a black hole has very little bearing on Us. CALLIOPE: i mean, the natUre of space and time is a little finicky in here, bUt for the most part it doesn't seem to be anything too oUt of the ordinary. CALLIOPE: bUt beyond that, it means that we are sealed away from the rest of existence. CALLIOPE: oUr sphere of inflUence is limited to the sphere of the black hole's bounding horizon. CALLIOPE: as far as everyone else is concerned, we might as well not even exist! JOHN: is there no way we could let anyone know that we're in here...? CALLIOPE: almost certainly not!
No? So this doesn’t have to do with the divide?
CALLIOPE: there are very few ways for anything to escape the kind of predicament that we are in right now. one of them is to be an all-powerfUl being with control over the very fabric of space, with the energy of two Universes at yoUr disposal. CALLIOPE: in which case, escape woUld become rather trivial, if a little Unscientific. JOHN: ok. i am going to assume that we can't just do that. CALLIOPE: yoU've hit the nail on the head, UnfortUnately. U_U CALLIOPE: the method i described was the one employed by my alternate self, who yoU may recall crashed through the event horizon in the body that once belonged to jade harley. CALLIOPE: she departed through a pUnctUre she created in the black hole's surface shortly after consUming my brother, a deed which provided her with the necessary "oomph", and which was frankly rather breathtaking to watch. =u= CALLIOPE: bUt Upon her departUre, the rift closed for good. as far as i can see, there's simply no way for Us to commUnicate with the world oUtside the black hole.
What the heck? Calliope SAW all this? Is this her Muse powers at work, letting her observe these things, or was she there? And John certainly did NOT see ANY of what Calliope just said happen.
CALLIOPE: i woUld certainly be very sUrprised to find oUt that anyone had managed sUch a thing!
So we’re going to find that out if we haven’t already. Maybe something to do with the way Vrissy just conks out narcoleptically?
JOHN: ...right. JOHN: so... let me just get this straight. JOHN: knowing that we're inside of a black hole... does that actually change anything? JOHN: like, can't we just go on living like normal? CALLIOPE: oh absolUtely not. CALLIOPE: i don't know if yoU've noticed john bUt this world is on the brink of a total cataclysm. JOHN: oh.
Um, what?
CALLIOPE: oUr exclUsion from the overarching coUrse of events which governs all reality means that oUr existence here is liable to dramatic and violent Upheaval. CALLIOPE: to pUt it another way, becaUse nothing in here "matters", we are likely to be sUbjected to things which are a bit bats in the belfry, for no reason other than it's totally insignificant to the wider canon of reality. CALLIOPE: and mUch thoUgh i am personally titillated by some of the conseqUences of this predicament, it is a degrading way for Us to live. u_u JOHN: that's... certainly one way to put it, yeah...
No plot-armor for your entire timeline, I guess, yep. Outside of canon, we can imagine and write about ANYTHING happening to the characters, or just drop their existence entirely, much like a doomed offshoot timeline. It’s a plot stability that depended heavily on the threat of Lord English and being trapped in a story, and without it things are bound to see a BIT chaotic (or “degrading” if you view it as subjected to the whims of fanfic writers, certainly).
CALLIOPE: at first, i believed that this was simply necessary. Us playing tails to oUr coUnterparts' heads, the black to their white, and so forth. CALLIOPE: bUt over the years i have come to the conclUsion that this is simply not kosher. ROXY: its total bs is what it is CALLIOPE: right, yes. CALLIOPE: a steaming pile of bUllshite. CALLIOPE: and so we have decided that something needs to be done aboUt it.
Ah fuck. You’re going to regulate non-canon? “Canonize” it? Is the fact that you eventually succeed at whatever it is you’re trying to do part of why we have the story presented to us in this bifurcated structure?
ROXY: this is finally where u come in jegbert ROXY: we gots quests for yous CALLIOPE: hee hee, yes. CALLIOPE: or *a* quest, to be specific. JOHN: oh boy! ROXY: (this fkin nerd i s2g)
Roxy and Calliope setting him on this quest as a Rogue of Void and a Muse of Space feels fitting.
JOHN: i'm not sure how i can go about freeing us from a hellish space prison, but i'm up for giving it a try i guess? JOHN: i have... literally nothing better to be doing at this point. except for maybe hanging out with harry anderson. ROXY: nice save lol
YEAH WE’RE STILL GLOSSING OVER HOW YOU LEFT HIM UNPROTECTED, JERK
ROXY: but u dont need to worry abt busting us outta space jail tbh ROXY: thats not ur problem to fix JOHN: oh. JOHN: i'm... not sure i follow, then. ROXY: i mean yeah ur gonna obvs facilitate it in a sense ROXY: but only by going and busting the person who can actually help us outta normal earth jail CALLIOPE: we need yoU to free vriska from the clUtches of oUr misgUided friend jane, and bring her here, to the singUlarity. ROXY: weve been calling it the plot point CALLIOPE: yes, the plot point is a key part of oUr plan. CALLIOPE: as far as we have been able to sUrmise, the only remaining method for escaping oUr grim confinement depends on leveraging the UniqUe properties of this location to create an event of sUch catalcysmic proportions that it simply cannot be contained within the black hole any more. CALLIOPE: something SO dramatic, so hyper-relevant, that it becomes ontologically impossible for anyone to ignore it. CALLIOPE: for that, we need an individUal of sUfficient narrative cloUt, so to speak. CALLIOPE: and to liberate her, who better than the embodiment of the aspect of freedom itself? CALLIOPE: ... CALLIOPE: phew. okay, i'm finished. CALLIOPE: CALLIOPE: sorry, that took longer than i expected to go throUgh.
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OOooooh, kay.
Whatever this is, it’s going to be really weird and PROBABLY infuriating and/or shippy, and I’m probably not going to like it. Plus it seems like it’s some sort of inverse belated canonization of some other black-hole-rescue theories I went on about at some point. Although, related to that link, “aspect of freedom” if anyone wasn’t paying attention! That’s a (sorta-)canon mention of the purpose of it!
They’re going to attention-wh-- attention-hog themselves out of the black hole so that they’re “considered canon” too, or close enough. Huh.
ROXY: what r u talking about cals that was great ROXY: i could listen 2 u plotsplain for years CALLIOPE: oh you >u< ROXY: fyi this was why i wanted u to get a move on eggbread ROXY: so callie could have more time 2 infodump ROXY: thats love bitchhhhhh JOHN: hahaha. JOHN: ok, well, i think i understood all that?
Love with who? Callie, John, both?
In reality, John isn’t sure what most of this means. But on balance, it feels okay? He’s gone back and forth about a hundred times in the last week about where his place in everything is, so he might as well ride this out. Plus, the last time a Lalonde kind of told him to do something, he thinks that he chose not to, and look where that got him. And it’s not like he has other plans. He may as well do this! It’s at least going to get him involved in things again, if nothing else. He turns to go, and then hears a sound. It’s the sound of feet and knocking on doors, echoed through stone and digital static.
Oh shit. Is Andrew trapped behind some fourth walls behind the curtains.
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Oh RIGHT also that DEVICE is where they want to bring Vriska. Are they going to overturn part of canon itself with a super-retcon thus making this timeline unbelievably relevant or--? Maybe make all the PESTERQUESTS canon or something?! I don’t know. Maybe they’re INTENTIONALLY starting the game like Vriska wanted to??????
Guh, this is something so big that I don’t WANT to theorize about it, do I.
JOHN: did you hear that? ROXY: wha ROXY: oh yeah uh ROXY: i may have messaged rose and kan and jade to check on them too ROXY: so its prob onea them showin up ROXY: they don’t need to know bout all this tho ROXY: we got time to chat with them b4 u go get vriska
No, even if it’s a knock at the somehow-top-level-house-even-under-buried-- oh, right, maybe it’s covering in part a monitoring system that looks up there. But still, part of that sound was DOUBTLESS these two hiding something, all standing in front of the curtain like that.
JOHN: i’ll go stall em. ROXY: thx babe ROXY: oh is it 2 soon for that joke or JOHN: no, weirdly enough, that one’s fine. ROXY: oh good ok see u up there soon!
How is calling your significant other “babe” not cool REGARDLESS of gender?! Like wasn’t that always cool? --Oh wait is it because they’re not together or... but... guh, I don’t know.
Anyway, see y’all after the holidays at least.
#Homestuck#hs2#Homestuck Liveblog#upd8#Homestuck^2#spoiler#spoilers#Roxy Lalonde#John Egbert#Calliope
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this asks is making my head explodes, and I won’t find peace before debunking every infox in this shit.
Dirk is transmasc. Popular headcanon, but not canon.
June is real. Canonified post Homestuck, so not everyone knows it’s canon, and it clearly didn’t need a bigoted call out like that. holy fuck anon you’re transphobic about it (flat and pre operation t girls rock!)
Vriska was SA. There is no canon information about her being SA pré SBURB, even though she was clearly in an abusive household. Her clothes were shown to be a personal preference for masculine and covering clothes, especially when we saw that her model Mjndfang/Aranea was all about miniskirts and hyperfeminine outfits. She was groomed by Meenah though. (Which her change in her appearance can be considered a proof of that since most of the changes were made by Meenah, like the tattoo or the braided hair)
GamKar is toxic. Let people ship what they want! I don’t think their depiction of it was a romantisation of abuse, and people are free to bend canon at their will!!!
Davekat is canon. No it’s not. Even though it seems implied, their relationship is referred multiple times as “not fitting a quadrant” or “whatever they are”. It’s free for interpretation, but not canon (if they wanted it to be, don’t you think Homestuck if all comics would hold their horses on that?) (PS: the Epilogues are not Canon, they are semi canon/official)
Conclusion: Anon you need to take a reread, both on the comic (you seem to not remember it well) and the definition of bigoted (you would probably find some unpleasant truths about yourself but oh well…) and also what the actual fuck with deciding one is trans bossed on their interpretation of a webcomic?
i saw your homestuck doodles, and let me say all of them were extremely bigoted. first of all, dirk strider i clearly trans and you didn’t draw them with breasts or even top surgery scars. secondly, june is also trans, you called her john instead of june and gave her a flat chest. vriska is clearly a victim of grooming and you gave her reveling clothes(the shirt) even though you know she only shows her arms when she was with meenah. gamkat is also extremely toxic, gamzee is an abuser and villain, killing multiple and most likely abusing karkat as well; plus, davekat is canon.
you are not trans if your drawing suck bigotry.
*you’re
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dirk strider for the ask game?
1: orientation headcanon hmm probably like gay/greyro? definitely some kind of aro that man does not have a good sense of romantic love
2: otp dirkjake for sure. also really love dirkuu
3: brotp i think him and callie would get along really well! if only they interacted more in canon :< him and june would also totally bond over shitty movies together
4: notp idk probably something like dirkkan
5: first headcanon that pops into my head dirk autism babeyyyy
6: favorite line from this character ough so many contenders. but my gut response is the final line spoken in homestuck proper: “That's the best fucking question, anybody ever asked.”
7: one way in which I relate to this character like literally everything about him. self loathing? check. arospec? check. clingy? check. too gay to function? check.
8: thing that gives me second hand embarrassment about this character hes just so fucking stupid and clingy every time i see those messages he sent jake in game over i fucking explode
9: cinnamon roll or problematic fave? yes
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Episode 201: Stay (I Missed You) - Details
Episode Summary:
Torn between the heartache of Max’s (Nathan Parsons) sacrifice and the joy of Rosa’s (Amber Midthunder) resurrection, Liz (Jeanine Mason) suppresses her grief to focus on moving out of Roswell with Rosa. Meanwhile, Michael (Michael Vlamis) copes with Max’s death in his own self-destructive way, while Isobel (Lily Cowles) focuses her attention on honing her alien powers. Finally, Liz makes an alarming discovery after Rosa begins experiencing mysterious side effects from her resurrection. Michael Trevino, Heather Hemmens, Tyler Blackburn and Trevor St. John also star. Lance Anderson directed the episode written by Carina Adly MacKenzie.
DETAILS:
They left Noah's body by the cliff near the turquoise mines
Max tells Liz specifically that Noah called him a savior, and that the victors would be coming for him, and specifically the term alighting.
2 weeks later...
A guy is seen trying to scrub graffiti off the wall. The graffiti is an alien saying to a ghost "I don't believe in humans." Rosa's?
Arturo is working on his citizenship paperwork.
"...the occasional face mask selfie..." Once again, like in the pilot with the reference to the border wall, Carina writes a line that she had no idea would be quite so relevant on the day that this aired. Maria is referring to lab face masks, not medical face masks, but given the current state of things it's still quite the on point line, politically.
The card Arturo gives Liz is San Cristobal (Saint Christopher). Info on San Cristobal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Christopher?wprov=sfla1
What Arturo says to Liz in Spanish: "Para que te cuide en el camino." Translates to: To take care of you on the way.
The church where the funeral is held is the same church Liz prayed at in episode 102... Loretto Chapel in Santa Fe. It actually is a pretty interesting place, which you can tour if you visit Santa Fe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretto_Chapel?wprov=sfla1
The photo Isobel looks at is a shot of Max, Isobel, and Noah at what appears to be their wedding.
Isobel is the one hiding Max's death. Liz and Michael are helping, but Isobel wanted him put in the pod. "...we'll make up a story, okay? We'll send text messages from his phone. We'll say that he left town."
Sheriff Valenti tells Isobel that she's "Roswell PD family", but in season 1 they were very consistent about using Chavez County Sheriff's Department, not Roswell PD.
Another reference to the graffiti... Again, Rosa?
Liz had to prompt Isobel to tell at her at the wake, meaning this is them implementing Isobel's "story" on why Max left.
Liz told Rosa "everything except that the whole town thinks she's a murderer."
Rosa's first nightmare... She walks into the Crashdown, plays STP, reveals the handprint, the jukebox sparks and distorts, hears Isobel's voice, and Noah appears.
"They're not going to come after you. They're going to go after the people you care about." - Noah said this to Max in 107 in reference to Wyatt Long's lawyers.
Rosa's necklace that she and Liz argue over is the turquoise bead necklace that Liz wears throughout S1, including in the pilot, So Much For the Afterglow,
Mimi Deluca...
Quoted from Aliens (1986) "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
On Rosa's death a decade ago: "Not always. Sometimes it happened just yesterday. Sometimes it's been a century."
Rosa started on oxy. But according to Kyle's scans her "frontostriatal loop is fine." And she produces "normal noradrenaline". Basically, Max healed all damage to her body including damage from her drug addiction.
Alex is listening to Next Time by All the Brightness on his headphones. Thanks @michaeldeluca for figuring it out!
Alex says that most of the Caulfield files are encrypted so there's not much to go on, but he was able to break Project Shepherd's encryptions in the bunker in S1, which again implies that maybe Caulfield is a bit bigger than Project Shepherd.
Michael's mother was marked N37. Her intake form was datestamped Oct 12, 1948, which is almost a year and a half after the crash (June 14, 1947).
Liz and Michael both didn't get handprints from Max, only Rosa. Liz's initial handprint from Max (in the pilot) lasted only a few days. Rosa's hasn't faded at all in 2 weeks.
Isobel's been practicing for 2 weeks and she showed signs of both Michael and Max's powers in this episode (possibly? exploding the lights in her house and blowing up the bowls could both be Michael's power if it was just telekenisis in both cases and not channeling electricity a'la Max)
Mamma Ortecho is "shacked up in Nebraska with some white guy named Dirk."
Michael says that he fixed the old (junked) ultrasound machine after Max died. That they did scans initily while Isobel was in the pod and they were working on the antidote. He had a scan of Max's healthy heart. Now "there's a void".
Michael says Max's heart was damaged before he "lassoed lightning" to kill Noah. He died of a heart attack. His heart is "shredded".
Rosa's 2nd dream: running from Noah and calling Liz to help her.
Noah says: "Strange creatures with familiar features. The alighting! They're coming for us Maximo!" All things he said to Max in the cave in episode 113.
Liz theorizes Rosa's dreams are the result of a psychic connection through the handprint to Max, that Rosa is seeing fragments of Max's memories.
Which means that Max's brain isn't fully dead. Liz explains to Rosa:. "if there's a part of his brain with coordinated electrical signaling, if there's consciousness, that means that there's oxygenated cells...if the connection to you kept his brain alive there's hope."
Cremating an alien body releases toxic fumes (according to Project Shepherd research from after the 1947 crash).
Flint was taking Noah's body to Area 51...where he has clearance and Alex doesn't.
Flint says: "There's a chain of command in this family."
Flint Manes was in the same grade as Rosa (meaning he's two years older than Alex).
During the dissection:
Liz: "It could be some kind of organic phosphorus?
Michael: "It's an unknown chemical compound. A distant derivative of phenyl-2-propanone. I could never figure out the 21st compound. But apparently it's the key to their nanotech and their biology. Our biology. I always thought it was synthetic but if it's organic the tech itself could have neural activity."
Liz: "Wait, you're saying you think these organs are part tech?"
Michael: "In human terms, I guess."
Liz: "That's good 'cause in the human world, broken tech can be fixed."
Translation: The alien organs (and the ship pieces) are part organic and part tech.
Rosa's 3rd nightmare...she is in the gazebo looking at her and Izzy/Noah's drawings from 2008 (episode 110), Noah approaches and she fights back this time. And then Noah uses his powers to choke her.
"All those books and you haven't figured religion out." When he approaches.
"Ophiuchus!" Yelled as he chokes her.
Max appears and lightning-lassoes Noah to free Rosa.
"I've been trying to get to you. I'm sorry to put you through this. You're the only one I can reach. Liz can't bring me back to life. Do you understand? No matter what it takes you have to stop her."
MUSIC:
1. Everclear "Santa Monica"
2. Stone Temple Pilots "Plush"
3. Lukas Nelson & Promise Of The Real "Bad Case"
4. Justin Townes Earle "Maybe A Moment"
5. Meredith Brooks "Bitch"
6. I See Hawks In LA "King Of Rosemead Boogie"
7. Hamish Anderson "You Give Me Something"
8. The Cranberries "Zombie"
#roswell new mexico#episode 201#stay (i missed you)#long post#episode details#rnm season 2#rnm music
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Kids Species Swap
I decided to take another look at the extended zodiac and pick out what it would indicate about Homestucks’ canonical cast of lost human children. Most people go off their text colors and call it a day; and while clown makeup Rose Lalonde is a good laugh and an interesting design challenge, I’m not so easily satisfied.
June Egbert is adventurous and impulsive as a rule. There’s a reason flighty is the key adjective for this broad, and it’s not just because of the breeze. If it doesn’t keep going at a good clip, June considers it boooooriiiing and gets too far into her own head to pay any more attention to the doldrums around her. All of this clearly aligns with the Rust class, making her an Arus. Her blunt, tall horns go straight up from the sides of her head, looking like lagomorphic ears. Her lusus is the swift yet tasty Ziphare, whose long limbs let it sprint and leap with the greatest of ease and the fastest of speed. It’s an attentive guardian, often leaving gifts and treats everywhere for June as it zooms around in fear of predators, and to serve as a good example: teach its charge how to really run.
Rose Lalonde is, if nothing else, a genius. A multifacted prodigy, an intellectual force, with prose as collegiate and purple as her chat text. And she likes to show it off. She likes to use it as a big, terrible lance of eldritch force, especially if it throws off her brother from his game or seduces dangerous girls into her quadrants. You might not like it, but that makes her decisively Gold, that is, a Gempia. She’s got horns exactly the way Kanaya imagined them. Her lusus is the Bearded Primkey, a lanky pseudoprimate that descends into wailing, seizing, and hystrionic sobbing as it grows hungrier and less sleepy. When it’s full and drowsy, it’s a slow-paced but clingingly affectionate guardian.
Jade Harley is, if you would have to put a word to it, agreeable. She cares a great deal about connecting to people, even if she isn’t quite sure how. She is anxious in the unfamiliar, and although she never loses her nerve, she often loses her cool. Plus she’s a furry. Olive it is, then, as a (lmao) Lego. Naturally, her Olive theme is dogs. Her horns look much like June’s, except shorter, wider, and sharper. Even though they are clearly very different castes, people joke that they must have the same ancestor. They like to think so, too, unjokingly. Her lusus is the mysterious Blipdog, which can teleport and see without eyes. Most people treat it as a myth, and even Jade has never heard of another one.
Jane Crocker is particular, matronly, and sometimes corrosively toxic. She likes when everything is perfect, even when that’s an impossible expectation. She is supportive and handy, but she explodes after her breaking point, and all of her nurturing habits are swept aside by a bit of the ol’ ultraviolence. All of that spells Jade, specifically, a Virsci, which sounds like a for-profit tech school. One of her horns ends in a blunted bulb shape, and the other, split. She doesn’t have a lusus, but she does have obligations in the caverns. Obligations that she’s growing more and more afraid of being trapped by, and that she’s more and more eager to find any excuse to shirk. Watch out, Janey!
Dave Strider is an artistic lad of a hundred interests and a dozen talents. Last week he was into collecting body parts in jars. Before that, it was guerilla photography, and before that it was silent parkour. He’s got a self-destructive stubborn streak and a bad habit of hiding masks behind masks, but he’s also friendly and can be surprisingly philosophical and is fiercely intelligent. This is exactly how Indigos are described, making him a Sagiries. His horns look like bulges. It’s not his fault. He was born this way. His lusus is the Satyr, a capricious guardian more prone to ambushes and pranks than raising a kid.
Dirk Strider is a Purple. Just read the damn thing, it describes him better than it does any of the canon clowns we’ve met. (His face paint looks like Billy the Puppet and Lil Cal of course, but that also makes him look like Caliborn. Poor guy.) He’s a Caprio, which, if you ask me, is pretty fitting. He’s got horns like katana tips, including the flat blade, that point tilted forward from his forehead like an oni. And still those stupid, stupid yet iconic glasses. It’s called fashion. His lusus is the Wavegull, an amphibious bird and demands frequent food.
Jake English is a real weird dude. Everything he does is rather eccentric. He’s loyal, game for much, and if we’re being totally fair, both unfairly exploited and kind of a desperate dweeb. All of this indicates a Violet sign, his particular one being Aquanius, sort of a lunar inversion of a certain Violet we’re more used to. His flattened horns curve closely over his scalp, sending his hair everywhere, but otherwise being usefully protective and a bit fetching. His lusus is the Skultopus, an eight tentacled mollusk whose shell protects everything but the limbs and the sunken, staring eyes. Distant dad, but a caring one.
Roxy Lalonde is a bit too in her fantasies and anxieties. Extremely important, but often overlooked, you might be thinking Indigo. But she’s alluring and accomplished, talented and daring, hard to know and hard to defeat. She’s a princess lost in time and space, a true Fuschia, baby. She clocks in as a Pittarius, and might just hack it as an eternally unconsumed heir. Her horns look something like upside down fluted champagne glasses, which also gives her a kooky space alien bulbed antenna vibe too. It’s pretty cute, actually! And this means you know exactly what her lusus is and what their relationship is.
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(fionn whitehead, twenty-two, cismale, shapeshifter) Blimey! Is that (GRUFFUDD ‘GRIFF’ BLACK)? (HE/HIM) is/are the (RIGGER) on the Cursed Serpent and has been onboard the ship for (FOUR YEARS). Legend has it they are (TRUSTWORTHY & HARDWORKING), but don’t get on their bad side, because I hear they’re (APATHETIC & SLY). Aye! Stop staring! (GRIFF) has their (DIRK) out! (ooc: roman, gmt, 23, they/them, triggers: trypophobia)
Potential triggers for below the readmore: abuse, religion
QUICK FACTS
Full Name: Gruffudd Rhys Black Nickname(s): Griff Age: 22 Birthday: June 5th Zodiac: Gemini Birthplace: Betws-y-Coed, Caernarfonshire, Wales Languages: Welsh, English Gender: Cismale (He/Him) Sexuality: Homosexual, closeted edition Relationship Status: Single
APPEARANCE
Hair: Dark brown Eyes: Hazel Height: 5′8′’ Tattoos: May or may not have a dragon tattoo on his butt. Piercings: Ears Scars: Lash marks on his back from being whipped with a belt, a small one on his right cheekbone
PERSONALITY
Myers-Briggs: INTJ Alignment: Lawful Neutral Best trait: Loyal Worst trait: Secretive
FAMILY
Parents: Bran Sayer Rhys Black, Jordana Black (née Evans) Siblings: Bethan Black, Sioned Black Family Relationship: They don’t talk, it’s as simple as that. Griff is the eldest, he was the absolute pride and joy of his parents until they realised he could shape shift. His mother branded him a demon, tried to beat the devil out of him, when that didn’t work she stopped acknowledging him. His father tolerated him, at times even seemed fond of him, but as soon as Griff’s sisters were born they used them as an excuse to ignore Griff completely. When he ran away, he left a note detailing his plan to go out to sea. Nobody came looking for him and he doubts they’ll ever meet again.
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ABOUT
What little people know about Griff is that he grew up in the heart of the countryside in North Wales. Anyone who’s ever ventured there knows it’s all hills, streams, and forest. He was always a good climber, stronger than he looked, quick with knots and quicker with a knife. He popped up on random ships and took whatever job he was given, mostly runt work that involved picking up after the rest of the crew. He was young and seemed to appear out of nowhere, but he assured everyone he ever worked for that nobody would miss him and nobody came looking for him.
Griff had a reputation before he was a part of The Cursed Serpent’s crew. He was a shadow that kept out of the way but his absence was noticed, especially as he aged and gained more experience, earning more important roles. He eventually got too big for keeping out of the way below decks, only coming out when something needed to be cleaned or they needed someone small to get into a spot nobody else could reach.
It was Bradway that put him to work on the rigs, challenging Griff to work hard and pushing him until he thought he might snap. Griff was quiet and generally polite but he had an ego, it was obvious any time someone new came aboard and his new role gave him enough purpose that he was put in his place. He’s proud of his role and passionate about his work.
Griff never thought much about the sea but now he thinks about it a lot. He thinks about how nobody knows where it ends or what lives at the bottom of it. When he’s on the deck and looks between the sea and the sky, he feels like he’s floating between them. It would only ever take something like going overboard to make Griff as introspective as this and even though it’s been a year, he can’t forget it.
It wasn’t the worst storm they’d ever been in but the winds were strong and Griff couldn’t keep control of the sails. He doesn’t remember the whole ordeal; he remembers one moment he was on deck and the next his mouth and lungs are full of salt water. There was no North or South, there was water roaring in his ears and the rope around his ankle, the single thing keeping Griff from being flung out to sea. I am going to drown was the only thought in his head but it was enough to kick him into gear, to get him to thrash around in the water until he got a hold of the rope with his hands to drag himself back above water. Then he was back on deck again, rope splinters in his hands and coughing up water by the gallon. When he wakes up in the middle of the night, he can still feel the burning in his throat.
Since that day, Griff has been paranoid. It isn’t like him to worry about what the rest of the crew think of him but he does now. He works harder like he has to prove to them and himself that he isn’t afraid of it happening again, even though every time he climbs up to the crow’s nest his heart beats so quickly he thinks it’s going to explode. So he makes an effort with the others, going out of his way to be sociable and helpful, laughing off the events of the previous year and hoping that even if he can’t forget it, they will.
There is much room to think about anything since Bradway died. All captains are replaceable, even Bradway, but even now it feels like there’s time and space empty without him. Griff feels his absence, sometimes he looks around and waits for Bradway to appear, to nod at him and tell him to get back to work; the sails aren’t going to tie themselves.
SECRET
Gruffudd was the name he was given by his father; his mother called him Demon. There are tiny snippets of memory, Griff sittin in the garden and wandering off towards the forest over the back fence. Too small to climb it and too big to crawl underneath, then things get a bit dizzy and suddenly the air smells different, he’s taller, heavier and uglier. He didn’t know it then but years later, when he met another boy with the same talent, he was more of an oddball than he’d originally imagined. “Who else can you do?” The boy asked. Who else? Griff didn’t know he could change into more than one person. But he tried, he thought really, really hard about someone else he wanted to be. But no matter how hard he thought about turning into his sister, the milkman, the farmer over the hill, there was only ever one thing he could turn into: a man that scared him and seemed eerily familiar.
KEY RELATIONSHIPS
SHAPESHIFTING HELPER FRIEND - So Griff isn’t a very good shapeshifter: he can only turn into one person. But he wants to be better at it, he wants to stop feeling like there’s something wrong with him. This individual, also a shapeshifter, is trying to help. They are, however, sworn to secrecy. Griff doesn’t want to admit it but he’s embarrassed, so if he could somehow learn to shift into someone else, he would greatly appreciate it.
NIGHT OWLS - Griff doesn’t sleep so well these days, he often finds himself awake and about at the same times as this individual. They don’t have to be close, but they value each other’s company to pass the time; playing card games, chatting about meaningless things, just sitting quietly until the sun comes up.
(I’ll update this and add more on my wanted connections page!)
ANYTHING ELSE
He’s got some unresolved stuff about shapeshifting which is preventing him from getting better at it. His mum was VERY against shapeshifting, she saw it as demonic and treated Griff horrifically for it.
The person he can shift into is an older man that looks like this. Griff doesn’t know it but this man, Bran Sayer, is a pirate and also his biological father, who he only met once when he was too young to remember his properly. It would be cool if he could find out about this one day, however this would only happen if they came into contact with each other again.
He also has some unresolved things about the time he went overboard. I wanna get him back in the water at some point so he has to confront it head-on. Until then, he does not have good feelings about the ocean.
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tell me about the strilondes (i would go anonymous, but it wouldn't be a secret anyway)
HELL YEAH LET’S GO
Rose
How I feel about this character
she’s extremely good!! somehow kind of underrated despite being one of the main characters? she reminds me of someone I would’ve gravitated towards when I was her age lol we would’ve been friends in like eighth grade
All the people I ship romantically with this character
I mean Kanaya, obviously. Can’t go wrong with rosemary. also maybe Vriska but only in highly specific spades circumstances
My non-romantic OTP for this character
John/June!!!! their interactions in the early parts of Homestuck are so fucking funny, and they seem to really bring out the best in each other
My unpopular opinion about this character
I don’t really have any spicy takes on Rose... I’ll just go with something funny: she’s the most chaotic of the strilondes. Yes, she has more of a brain to mouth filter than some other people in her family, but her impulse decisions are Big and Dramatic. this is the girl who argued with her brother about going on a suicide mission, lost the argument, and then knocked him unconscious so she could go on the suicide mission anyway. what a woman.
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
GIVE! HER! HER WIFE! am I talking about the meat epilogues? am I talking about how we didn’t get rosemary in pesterquest? BOTH BABY, I WANT ROSEMARY
Dave
How I feel about this character
that there is my SON. I would die for this boy. he’s one of those characters that I liked upon first meeting, and then he only got better from there
All the people I ship romantically with this character
I will talk endlessly about how good his relationship with Karkat is, don’t even test me. I could maybe get behind him and John too? It’s one of those ships that I don’t actively ship but it’s cute when I see it
My non-romantic OTP for this character
pale John and Dave is oh so very good!!! I shipped that before I even knew what moirallegiance was and only knew it was kinda like QPRs. also, his familial relationship with Roxy makes me so happy
My unpopular opinion about this character
again, I don’t really have any spicy takes on him? uhhh this is really only because I’ve come across a couple really old fics on ao3, and folks. this boy is not cool. he THINKS he’s cool and he PRETENDS he’s cool, but he’s really a BIG DWEEB. incredibly awkward. never been cool a day in his life. this hasn’t been an unpopular opinion in a while but eh
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
I would’ve liked to have seen him interact with some other trolls! like Sollux or somebody, or even more interaction with Kanaya! his conversations with her were very funny and I wish there was More
Dirk
How I feel about this character
garbage boy stink man. I love him dearly. he’s so easy to pick on and I don’t know why, but he’s so much fun to bully relentlessly even though I love him as a character
All the people I ship romantically with this character
John! I didn’t ship dirkjohn at first, and then I read Romancing The Spitting Image Of Your Ex and it made me cry so here we are
My non-romantic OTP for this character
ROXY!!!!! they are pale and good. also his friendship with Jane is super underrated!
My unpopular opinion about this character
I Do Not Like d/rkj/ke. both because of aro jake reasons, and because it just? wasn’t good for either of them? they’re just not romantically compatible, and that’s FINE. they can be FRIENDS. FOR FUCKS SAKE.
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
I’d love to see how his initial interactions with Kanaya and Karkat went. he was probably like “oh shit these are Dave and Rose’s partners, I should do the older brother thing and intimidate them” and then they both decimate him
Roxy
How I feel about this character
MY LOVE! I LOVE THEM SO MUCH. FUCK. GOD THEY’RE SO GOOD. sometimes I think about Roxy too much and my heart explodes
All the people I ship romantically with this character
Jane, Callie, or Jane AND Callie! Also, I’ve seen some cute stuff with Jade and Terezi too. Roxy just has so much love to give :’)
My non-romantic OTP for this character
Dirk! and Jake! Roxy is a Pale Sorcerer, moirallegiance runs in their veins. also their dynamic with Hal is quite good, and of course I love them and Rose and Dave
My unpopular opinion about this character
not necessarily unpopular but definitely a hot take: Roxy and Terezi are objectively the best characters in homestuck. the COMPLEXITIES. the HUMOR. the STRENGTH. the FLAWS. homestuck peaked on page 1524 when Terezi first spoke, and then again on page 4156 when Roxy first spoke, and that’s just the facts
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
I want them to talk. to more. trolls. pls. and also talking to John about the fact that the two of them (and half of Davepetasprite I guess) are the only ones left from their universe :(
#hs blogging#I love the strilondes.....#I don't have many unpopular opinions?????#except for the d*rkj*ke one LMAO#braveadrien#asks
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