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Manananggal.🥹🫴
#manananggal#smt#demon negotiation#it worked#megaten#shin megami tensei#smt v vengeance#smt v#nahobino#jrpg#nintendo#i love moments like this#she's one of my fav demons#shin megami tensei v#shin megami tensei v vengeance#smtv protagonist
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is there some sort of trick to demon negotiation or is it just simply "give them what they want if you can, answer the questions they ask" and pure RNG afterwards?
If it's pure RNG and I can understand that it's almost pure RNG and there's almost no trick behind it and just "crap happens" just like life; maybe hopefully I'll get much less upset if they fail.
tho if they fail and you kill them you still get item drops or exp
please let me have fun with SMT anxiety~~ the series looks awesome, hard but very fun~~
and demon fusion~~
get mazan anxiety.... blown far far away from me so I can enjoy something different~~~
also sucks that today I learned that there is DLC for SMTIV that I can potentially never get now because the servers are gone~~
T_T:: including some demons~~~
sorry for all the anxiety posts lately~~~ I hate it too~~~
#personal#thoughts#thinking#i think too much#anxiété#anxitey#anxienty#anxi4ty#anxeity#yes the games are hard anxiety let me have fun with something new please#anxiety can get zanma as hard as possible#shin megami tensei#smt#megami tensei#megaten#demon#demon negotiation#rng#sorry for all the anxiety posts i hate them too#hope these don't sound like complaining cause I don't intend to complain#just a maiden trying to deal with almost crippling anxiety and not care so much about stuff#there's dlc for smt iv?#I can't get it anymore then huh?#rip 3ds eshop#shin megami tensei iv#smt iv
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Emily: “I’m really sorry Vaggie didn’t feel comfortable coming back here. If there’s anything I can do to change that-”
Charlie: “Probably not! It was kinda a sign of her endless love for me that she visited haven again at all!”
Emily: “Oh! Oh that’s nice!!”
Charlie: “Which I NEVER would have asked her to do anyway, if I’d KNOWN the truth about her history up here!”
Emily: “Right. I’m so sorry about that too, by the-”
Charlie: “I mean, I’m not the kind of girl who askes her girlfriend to go spend an afternoon sitting across from the people who ripped off her wings! And her eye! And left her slumped against a dumpster looking half dead!”
Emily: “A… dumpster?”
Charlie: “Making the woman you love relive all that without even rEALIZING it would be pretty fucked up, wouldn’t it??”
Emily: “V- very.”
Charlie: “IT HYPOTHETICALLY COULD MAKE SOMEONE FEEL KINDA TERRIBLE AFTERWARDS, DON’T YOU THINK?”
Emily: “I’m sure it did!”
Charlie: “H Y P O T H E T I C A L L Y”
Emily: “Could! I could see that, yes, if it HAD happened, that would’ve been…”
Emily: “…”
Emily: “Are you- um, is she, errr.. doing better now?”
Charlie: “SO much better she’s doing SO great these days!!!!”
IN HELL
Vaggie: (lying face down on the hotel lobby floor) “I promise I won’t stop helping you morons when she dumps me. I won’t let her dream die just because I was dumb enough to think I could be part of it.”
Angel Dust: “That’s nice toots.”
Vaggie: “Thanks.”
Angel Dust: “Not sad or stupidly gay or anythin’.”
Vaggie: “Thanks.”
Cherri Bomb: “Sad? Angie, it’s perfect!” (takes picture) “I’ve been thinking this place could use a new rug…”
Niffty: (stepping on vaggie) “Squishy!”
Husk: “Get the fuck off her.” (at vaggie) “You, get the fuck UP.”
Vaggie: “Why.”
Alastor: “Hmmm, because this is PAINFULLY pathetic to watch, even for me?”
Vaggie: “Guess I’ll be here forever then.”
Angel Dust: “Vag-GAY c’mon, ya girlfirend’s not gonna dump ya. What’s the competition even!?”
Vaggie: “There’s an angel up in heaven who's helping Charlie work towards her life long dreams as we speak, and she's taller than me, got more wings than me, not as stabby as me, and also not a mass murderer or a liar or missing an eye.”
Cherri Bomb: "Hey!"
Vaggie: "No offence to the other one-eyed ladies here, but it's different when you've got a fucked up empty eye socket."
Niffty: (sighs dreamily) "I bet losing it hurt soooo baaaaad..."
Vaggie: "Never telling my girlfriend why I'd actually lost it or how it made me look like the deranged murder angel I was, even while she tried kissing it better for me, ended up hurting way worse."
Angel Dust: “That's a point….”
Angel Dust: “...alright, so Charlie’s PROBABLY not gonna dump ya-”
Niffty: “Oh that’s a weird sound!” (giggling) (bounces on vaggie) “I think she’s dying~”
Husk: “If you fucks kill her, I’m telling her demon princess girlfriend and pouring myself a drink to go with your fucking tormented howls.”
Vaggie: (muffled) “what if she’s my ex-girlfriend”
Husk: “…I’ll pour you a fucking drink and listen to your tormented howls.”
Niffty: “ME TOO I’LL LISTEN TOO!”
Alastor: “Dear one, perhaps if you were NOT standing on her skull and compressing her WRETCHED cries into the floor, we could be hearing them already.”
Niffty: “Whoops~ Heheheeh~”
Cherri Bomb: (recording it) “Damn, that groan’s been going on for ages… Bitch has some lung capacity on her.”
Angel Dust: “Point one for Vag-gay! Probs as good eating out as ya are at HOLDING out on ya girl!!!”
Vaggie: “uuuughhh…uaauuugghhaaaAAAAAAAAAAaaahhhhrrrgh..” (whimpers)
Niffty: “Okay.” (GIGGLES) “NOW she’s dying~” (bounces)
IN HEAVEN
Charlie: “Everything’s totally fine I have NO idea why you’d even ASK!”
Emily: “You’ve spent the entire time up here staring at pictures of Vaggie on your phone?”
Charlie: “I’m allowed to look at my girlfriend!”
Emily: “While crying and sniffling into your sleeve?”
Charlie: (sobbing) (desperately patting down her jacket) “SHE’S THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS WHICH OF MY POCKETS HAS THE HANDKERCHIEF IN IT, OKAY??”
Emily: (smiling) “I think you two are going to be just fine.”
Charlie: (BLOWS NOSE LOUDLY INTO JACKET SLEEVE, which catches on FIRE)
Emily: “…..not your clothes, though. You might need a new set of those.”
#hazbin hotel#charlie morningstar#chaggie#emily hazbin hotel#vaggie#angel dust hazbin hotel#husk hazbin hotel#alastor the radio demon#niffty hazbin hotel#cherri bomb hazbin hotel#incorrect quotes#silly nonsense#charlie comes home without her suit jacket and vaggie literally faints thinking she's given to some other angel#charlie does not get why everyone is happy to hear she burnt her own jacket off on accident#while trying and failing to find her special demon-sneeze proof handkerchief#which vaggie (once conscious again) pulls out of her own blouse#bc remember babe- we figured out you kept mistaking it for part of your pocket lining? no matter which pocket we put it in???#so vaggie just started carrying one for her instead#it immediately comes in useful again#emily watches cherri's livestream of this via pentious's phone and CHEERS#while sTILL covered in the ashes and soot of charlie's former jacket#negotiations with heaven are going great#chaggie has a fanpage up there now and everything
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Since I’ve already made it abundantly clear that Lucifer’s touch-starved as fuck in To Preen An Angel’s Wings I need to add a scene at some point after his and Alastor’s deal is done and Alastor’s healed where Lucifer’s just feeling really down so he shapeshifts into a cat in an attempt to cuddle Alastor again (still completely oblivious to his own romantic feelings, but realizing at this point that Alastor his acknowledged some level of platonic care for him). Since Lucifer’s shapeshifting doesn’t change his appearance drastically there’s an exchange that goes something like this:
Lucifer, in his cat form: *curls up on Alastor’s lap, purring*
Alastor, knowing it’s Lucifer by his markings: Lucifer, I know it’s you. Get off of me.
Lucifer: *starts kneading Alastor’s thigh*
*Alastor’s ears lower, but he just accepts his fate despite his instinct being to throw Lucifer across the hotel lobby*
I think this could just be an entire chapter immediately following their deal being done where Lucifer’s just trying to get Alastor to acknowledge that yes, he cares, yes, they genuinely bonded while over the duration of the deal, and yes, Alastor cares enough to help Lucifer deal with severe touch-starvation, even if Lucifer has to be shapeshifted into an animal for Alastor to be genuinely comfortable with it. I also think it’d be funny if they experiment with what species makes Alastor most comfortable.
Lucifer, shifted into a deer: What about a deer?
Alastor: You realize I eat raw deer for breakfast?
Lucifer, shifting into a dog: What about a dog? Dogs are therapeutic, so it might be therapeutic for you too!
Alastor, visibly shaking: I think I’d rather die a second time.
Lucifer, shifting into a cat: Okay, a cat then? Cats increase humans’ lifespans, and their purring has healing abilities!
Alastor: Not that I care but I doubt Husk would be happy about it.
Lucifer, shifting into a goat and visibly annoyed at this point: What about a goat, the classic devil’s animal?
Alastor: Actually, I think I prefer the deer.
Lucifer: YOU IMPLICITLY THREATENED TO EAT ME IF I SHIFTED INTO A DEER
They do decide on a deer because it relaxes whatever deer instincts Alastor has and Lucifer is assured that Alastor doesn’t feel like eating him any more than he usually does if he’s a deer (prompting Lucifer to literally yell “THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN ‘ANY MORE THAN YOU USUALLY DO’???????”)
#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel alastor#alastor the radio demon#hazbin hotel lucifer#hazbin hotel fanfiction#radioapple#im under an emotional obligation to write them negotiating this now lmao#i might also have to draw a shapeshifted deer design for lucifer#gonna finish the guitarspear minicomic first though
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Dc x Dp Prompt #3
Immortal Ghost King Au:
Daniel Fenton was crowned as High King Phantom of the Infinite Realms on his 16th birthday. He knew many were opposed to him being crowned at such a young age (he was too), but the Realms had gone too long without a ruler and it was getting restless.
The Realms were sentient to some extent. It can not run itself as it has no form but it chooses a host, a King if you will, to fulfill its wishes. It may have lived on an entire millennia without a ruler, but it was only out of sheer luck and the contributions of countless gods that it had survived. The Infinite Realms needed a King and Danny Phantom was the only contender.
So the people were ignored and their boy king was crowned. However Phantom was young and naive, a child as both a human and a ghost. Even worse, he knew nothing about being a king. But the little godling would learn and learn he did.
Most kings were taught before they were coronated, but Danny had no such privilege. His coronation came and left with the wind. His private lessons overshadowed any thoughts he had left of mortal schooling. And Danny gave up on living a normal human life.
That last part was perhaps the easiest for Danny. Amity Park was already considered too liminal for them to have any “sentience”. The GIW had all but declared war on the Realms with their continuous violent actions upon his people and the land itself.
It wasn’t difficult for Amity to give up their “rights” and “humanity” either. They said good riddance to the world that never helped them, to the heroes that ignored their cries for help. And they bowed to Phantom, declaring him their King, just as he declared them citizens of the Infinite Realms.
He welcomed his liminals with open arms, vowing to protect them from any harm that would come their way, just as he would with any of his other citizens. He gave them a home in the Realms, an island- no a haunt of their own should they wish to truly reject the land of the living, and they accepted. Not many wanted to try their luck against the human government.
But with a God, no, their King on their side, they knew their safety and happiness was all but assured. After all, it was Phantom who protected them even as they turned their own backs at him. It was Phantom who fought against foes that could have erased him from existence.
And of course it was Phantom who would now receive any and all support he could ever want and need should he declare war against the humans of Earth. No, there was no need for people of the Infinite Realms to worry. High King Phantom was a God after all. It was only ever his right to exact divine punishment onto those who opposed and threatened his will. It was not their fault if the humans actively went against his will. No, the humans had no one but themselves to blame for whatever came for them.
#dc x dp#dp x dc#dc x dp prompt#dp x dc prompt#the infinite realms is home to more than just ghosts#like demons and other things too#it uses the king as its host to ensure its people’s survival and in turn makes the king a god#pariah dark went against the realms will#so he was sealed away and not killed because you can not kill an already dead god#the people of the realms were skeptical of having such a young king#but Danny’s a quick learner and turned out to be really good#amity park vs GIW wouldn’t be the first war he’s led#Danny gave himself a god complex bc people respect him more that way#it’s a mask he only uses outside of the realms#he’s acts normally when he’s with citizens of the realms#can a god even have a god complex??#amity park moved to the infinite realms after the GIW tried killing them all#JL and JLD are struggling trying to find a way to negotiate a peace agreement#but amity park feels abandoned and spiteful so they refuse#lucky for the JL that it’s Phantom who’s in charge#or maybe that’s the reason they’re not so lucky#amity found out Danny was a god and ran with it#this might be a good way to like make this into an arranged marriage au with a person of your choice#make Danny as old or as young as you want#Danny will do what he needs to make sure his people are safe and happy
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honestly i'm kind of interested in the idea of laios in an arranged marriage. because obviously straight-up inherited monarchies are ...bad, to say the least! but it's what the characters are familiar with (even laios' father's extremely local, extremely minor leadership role is inherited, presumably through the male line). and it isn't just about what they think the best way to run melini is; in terms of ensuring that the other longed-lived nations respect melini's continued sovereignty, having it passed down in a manner that's close enough to their own ways for them to understand it and respect it is important. And it seems like most of the other nations have leadership through inheritance - thought that isn't confirmed for certain except with the elves.
Also, a marriage carries the potential to establish foreign allies - something melini is certainly lacking. A marriage could come with resources they'll badly need, treaties of mutual defence, money, legitimacy and political capital... not that these things can't be worked around, but if laios isn't strongly opposed, there are a lot of advantages! and i don't think he would be, because that's the framework for marriage (conferring practical advantages, building intracommunity relationships and providing a partner to do important work that he can't do) that he had grown up with. he isn't exactly a romantic and I doubt he's holding out for any sort of relationship of that nature.
Like, I don't think it's impossible that they would go with this path, because it's the most obvious and it carries a lot of advantages and it's what almost all the decision-making characters would consider normal and not objectionable. and it could be so interesting.
I think Laios would have major hangups if expected (i.e., by Marcille) to establish a genuine, romantic interest in a woman. Whether because of his sexual or romantic orientation, or just his own deep-seated trauma about rejection and being inherently disgusting and scary. And I think he'd hate the idea of having kids, too, and be very frightened of being like his father. But I don't think he'd refuse on that basis; he could cope with a marriage contract, with clearly laid-out expectations and responsibilities. And when it came to having a kid, I think he'd be reluctant to express that he doesn't want to do it, because he isn't naive and he understood when he agreed to be king it would carry responsibilities like this. It's clear from his nightmare that he already felt pressure from his parents to have children, probably magnified by the fact his father has got a position, responsibilities and wealth to pass on. Obviously he isn't a perfect martyr, so he might struggle when it comes to actually going through with it - but I don't think he'd actually, outright refuse. I think he might do it even though he doesn't want to, and I think that could be really messy in a way that appeals to me.
I don't know, there's something about negotiating these kinds of complicated situations that's interesting to me. and i love a platonic marriage. If they find a woman who has an interest in education, for example, and can work with marcille on setting up schools and universities. she'd ideally be politically savvy enough to be an able partner to laios: even though kabru can and would continue to do a lot of that, there are different spheres that a queen and a prime minister can work within!
how would their relationship work? maybe she finds laios' perspective on the world, and his frankness, unexpectedly liberating after an extremely controlled, cloistered upbringing. maybe she had a rebellious phase, has magic, or something else which makes her a relatively unpopular candidate for marriage - even as melini grows in power, i doubt that they'd be getting offers for the cream of the crop in terms of perceived value on the marriage market, because laios' relationship is a bit too ambivalent/monstrous for that, and melini too new. maybe she's a widow! an older woman, wouldn't that be cool - though they'd want her young enough that she could definitely still have kids.
certainly i think he'd be happy for her to pursue other relationships, though ideally in a manner that couldn't produce illegitimate kids. with other relationships in play, that's even more interesting. like, both kabru and toshiro have complicated emotions relating to infidelity. i think kabru would actually find it quite cathartic to be in the kind of high-status environment that rejected his mother for perceived infidelity, pursuing an affair that all parties consent to, though he'd likely be incredibly aware of the public image - since "image" is what he was rejected for. toshiro... i just really really love the way he'd feel about being the "other woman" in laios' marriage, considering his feelings about his father and maizuru. especially given how much closer he is to maizuru than his mother, being in her position...! his emotions would be so complex, it's incredibly tasty. i bet he'd make a bunch of assumptions about how laios' wife feels about it and be totally wrong, and that's so interesting. also, i think laios' wife should fuck marcille (she and falin have an open relationship).
#og post#dungeon meshi manga spoilers#dunmeshi#laios touden#inheritance! in the cultural framework these characters are working with#it really matters#this is why in my unwritten postcanon story i have the touden parents have another kid. can you imagine laios' feelings on that! god.#negotiating some kind of freedom within the restrictions responsibilities and expectations of this position#is part of what is so interesting to me abt postcanon dm#and it's extra interesting to me if there are a lot of restrictions and responsibilities laios can't or won't escape and has to work around#and marriage and kids are a big one there... exactly BECAUSE laios is so viscerally uncomf with the expectations of heterosexual masculinit#so easy to read as transfem nonbinary gay etc#i want to see him treating a marriage contract like he does the problem of the demon. if that makes any sense.#putting that brilliant autistic brain to work to see a way to do this that isn't like your father did
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#digital devil saga#dds#ddsat#megaten#smt#gale#demifiend#gale doing the demon negotiation#a regular saturday evening for the demifiend#smt nocturne
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someone said they'd be besties and i 100% agree
#tatsuya canonically negotiating w demons by making engine noises will forever be hilarious to me#persona#persona 2#p2#persona 3#p3#tatsuya suou#minato arisato#makoto yuki#art#my art#digital art#fanart#doodle
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Some Jiro stuff
#Jiro also has to half shift during diplomatic negotiations#oh yeah Jiro thinks Adam is a dragon and his demon form is just him being half transformed#gay dragons#did I ever mention that Dredd wears a mask n stuff because he’s scarred n missing half his face?#art#my art#drawing#draw#monster#creature#doodles#doodle#digital#digital art#dragons#dragon#dragon oc#demon oc#Jiro#Dredd#Adam
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seeing an awful lot of “I can’t read a novel, my attention span is too bad”/“I can’t watch a movie, my attention span is too bad”/ etc and while it’s not mandatory for you to do those things… you guys know that the way to improve your attention span is to do things that you think your attention span can’t handle and put effort into paying attention, right? you know that?
if you acknowledge that tiktok/social media/etc has made you attention span shorter, then it follows that you can do things to lengthen it again — it’s not just a fact you have to work around
like if you want to be able to do things and can’t… you can change that comrade you are the master of your own destiny
also start crocheting while you watch movies. my final message
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Ouch, rejected.
#fuu-ki#smt#shin megami tensei nocturne#shin megami tensei#smt v#demon negotiation#currently working on compendium#nahobino#smt v protag#shin megami tensei v#smtv
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Happy over a stupid sounding thing~~~
Hope my new demon doesn’t die fast~~ shouldn’t be as excited as I am about this~~ cause it’s just core gameplay to begin with.
And a common demon in the first stratum of naraku so it would seem.
Need more life stones tho cause I only had one~~
Napaea obtained~~
And centaur isn’t dead this time ~~
Had to use dia on herself or she might’ve been dead~~ wanted to recruit the other thing but didn’t have enough bargaining material.
End conversation in fact does work~~
Hope anxiety doesn’t stunt my fun anymore ~~
Negotiations can be bullcrap, can also be scams or hilarious too. Such as life itself sometimes…
Sad to admit if negotiations go south I save scum… is that cheating? Got used to that in Pokemon when I didn’t have many resources and just kinda still do it sometimes… might not if I get far enough cause rip progression if I forget to save for a while.
Stupidly proud as I’ve never even played a persona game that far. I’ve only played a bit of persona 1 and didn’t get that far before I lost my data. Rip.
Jokes about baby’s first smt game and its iv. Or is smt iv relatively easy from a franchise prospective?
Really hope she doesn’t die and I have to recruit a new one cause despite being level 2, has much less health than centaur does. And I don’t think you can recall demons from the active party without switching it in for a new one in your stock.
Gonna be using dia on herself constantly I’d imagine.
Also got to get a handle on how the battle menu works~~ tripping me up still… it’ll become second nature eventually I’d think.
Excited about demon recruitment; turns into a long post anyway… hope it makes sense~~~ I think my posts can get quite scattered sometimes…
#personal#thoughts#thinking#second demon acquired#napaea#demon#demons#demon negotiation#shouldn’t be as excited as I am tho#it’s common core gameplay here anyway#needless to say I saved like 3 times#shin megami tensei#smt#shin megami tensei iv#smt iv#napaea was right in that demons don’t make sense#got to get used to the camera I don’t like how it works#gotta grind for more life stones too tbh#is it wrong to save scum in this game?#I do in Pokemon when I’m shiny hunting a reset hunt but that’s it#baby’s first shin megami tensei game#lol
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Demifiend is so autistic
#Failing 99% of the demon negotiations over here#Hua Po especially why are you so *grabby hands* you're cute but I can't figure you out
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Lady Petulia in her vulpera disguise. It's busy work being a prominent Imp Mother running a family business. There's mortals to trick, warlocks to scam, several hundred imp children to secure good contracts and deals for. She's a very busy woman! But not too busy to enjoy a few treats.
#wow#vulpera#Lady Petulia#She's currently taking the company's new manager for a ride.#He didn't even know what demons WERE when she walked into the shop asking for a deal.#He failed the deal and got told that while normally that meant she should toss him into a pit of eternal hell fire...#She is a progressive woman and was willing to negotiate a different form of compensation.#Very merciful of her.#Silver's been tasked with bringing some folks to attend a wedding. Acting as security.#They're currently trying to figure out what the catch is cuz surely there's something fucked up planned if a demon wants them to attend it.#The clauses for success is to deal with the guests if they make a scene and to keep the bride safe.#Theories are spinning on what that means.
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(SLAMS MY OCS DOWN)
I MISSED THEM SO MUCH YOU GUYS
Reynold, the ADHD human that he is, has a very hard time focusing on much of anything and the only way he can be considered "accomplished" in his former line of work (CIA) is because he knew. He knew he had to do the task as fast as possible before he forgot what he was doing.
Now he lives in another world and is basically the trophy husband to the demon lord and Reynold is like "this is amazing I'm adopting the whole entire demon army as our children". And the demon lord is like "you want to adopt my demon army" and Reynold is like "starting with your advisors, yes. those are our daughters now. I love them. I would literally kill for them."
And Sascha, the demon lord determined to NOT ACTUALLY FIGHT PEOPLE, is like please don't kill anyone. And his job is now "take care of the entire demon race and also act as impulse control to one human". Luckily his twin advisors love Reynold too and agree to help keep him in line in the world.
And since idk how much I posted on main and not my OC blog for the advisors, Melo (left) is mute and Lody (right) does the talking. They are able to share what they see with each other because of the pink/yellow eyes acting as like a gateway of sorts. So they're rarely assigned to survey the same area since if they're apart they can see twice as much and report on more in order to aid Sascha. (But at the castle they both like to stick together and trail either Sascha or Reynold)
#my characters#also since sascha is the demon lord he has the ability to turn into a biiiiiiiiiig dragon#its an ability only allowed to the blood line of demon lords and if the demon lord dies with no family#the ability manifests in a random demon and thats how the next lord is chosen#however ! since he found the twins on the verge of death and basically gave them both some of his essence/life#they are not actually related by blood but do carry some of his royalty#and can turn into big lizards and reynold loves this so much because oh my god thats so cute#they - as lizards - could crush his bones and kill him easily but hes like LETS GO TO THE GARDENS#AND SUNBATHE ON SOME ROCKS#and the twins are like .......................... odd priority but lets go#and so sascha will wander outside if he cant find the trio and yeah theyre normally just asleep on rocks#two big lizards and his husband just napping in the sun#after melo and lody are told to their faces by reynold hi you can call me mom if you want#they look confused but then later on lody is like HELLO MOTHER and sascha gets absolute whiplash when his husband beams#and turns to face his adopted children who just called him mother#like this poor demon lord is stunned enough by that but he was warned by reynold that adoption was non negotiable#so he is like understandably odd endearment moving on now#until he hears another of his soldiers talk about have you seen mom recently and is like#this human really is out here adopting the entire army and im really confused but its very cute and endearing
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I really really like what persona 5 is doing with the enemies like omfg they found a way to make the battles in persona games NOT complete and utter snoozefests
#they actually connected the way demons are conceptualized in smt with the way shadows work . wonderful#also negotiation is always the best part of any game
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