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British Museum 1842,0314.3 Attic black-figure amphora, attributed to Group E
A. Death of Priam
B. Theseus and the Minotaur
Greek black figure amphora uncovered at Vulci, Italy, circa 550 BC
from The British Musuem
#Greek Ceramics#black-figure#amphora#Vulci#Death of Priam#Theseus and the Minotaur#Neoptolemos#Hecuba#Andromache#Greek grief
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thinking very hard about the depiction of the fall of troy in the Aeneid
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These lines from Elisa Gonzalez’s After My Brother’s Death, I Reflect on the Iliad have straight up haunted me for years
#the rage of grief being explored through *Priam* instead of Achilles….the page of the Iliad burning….#the poem’s dedication - ‘everything’s for you Stephen’#absolutely devastating#poetry#Iliad#Homer#words words words#cw death
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The Death of Priam by Pietro Benvenuti
#priam#death#art#pietro benvenuti#neoptolemus#sack of troy#trojan war#classical antiquity#the iliad#homer#greek mythology#achilles#ancient greece#ancient greek#history#europe#european#architecture#neoclassical#neoclassicism#virgil#the aeneid#aeneid#iliad#trojan#greek#greece#mediterranean#statue#statues
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paris will always be masc to me, but for story purposes they had to be femme.
#ffxivsnaps#gposers#ffxiv gpose#ffxiv oc#hyur#mygposes.#.... i unintentionally color coordinated this 'fit#because of their grandfather priam paris had to dress as their assigned gender for societal reasons#which paris was Not happy about as a kid growing up#but sheesh... they look good in this regardless#also spot the ring. yea they were married once upon a time (arranged). but only for a week because their husband got tempered#and had to be put out of his misery (paris was spared because echo powers). so paris is a 21 year old widow :kekw:#after his death paris ran away from home (wip) and began dressing the way they're comfortable with. and so starts the AU#(it's the same guy from my earlier meta posts i just changed his name since then)
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Little Troy
TW: violence, death, child death
Troilus knows of the prophecy that sings his name. It is a promise of life, of victory.
But he also knows that every time he looks in the mirror, he sees death.
#tagamemnon#greek mythology#greek myths#troilus#hecuba#priam#hector#hector of troy#polyxena#achilles#andromache#headcanon#short story#troy#trojan war#the iliad#i have accidentally become obsessed with troilus#the version where he is killed by achilles during the earlier years of the war#he is also the son of apollo in this one; i don't think he always is in every version#made myself sad whoops#tw: death#tw: violence
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On The End of the Iliad
Rowan Ricardo Phillips
They brandished their births like spears. Being there wasn’t enough. Their names Needed their fathers and their cities And their spears and the red air of Ilium.
There’s Apisaon lying on his liver As it curdles and leaks out rib-mangled From his wound like a clicking tongue In froth, mind-deep in its porn.
A grey scholar near the end of his talk Pauses, turns hazel in the maze of his thoughts, And as he gazes out the window asks, Why would the father at the end of the Iliad
Peer into Achilles’ tent and, through the bloodgold fire And smoke-slow seafog, pismire and simply stare At his son’s stupendous butcher? He waits for an answer from the weather.
He kneels before the cancelling hands of Achilles That did what they do to the dead of his son Because they could; and he kisses them. The father is our first noble disaster.
He knows his role. He knows he’ll beg. (Though not for the life: the life’s already gristle.) He’ll beg for the body. He’ll beg like a pagan for the body.
Even those who survive Achilles don’t. Priam returned, finally, to Troy’s dented doors And with every step he took toward the parting gold ruin,
Hollowed-out Hector bucked up and down on his back.
Even iridescent Helen, a trail Of billowing silks, poured herself From her paramour’s arms And descended with the rest to see
The sieged city surging to see its broken Breaker of horses. Half shout: “Hope!” Half bray: “Brave patriot’s sacrifice!” But Priam can’t bear to look at them.
He only looks back dimly at the door.
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The Iliad: gruesome descriptions of lethal wounds, voiced with the narration's full chest.
Also the Iliad:
"Prophet of evil, never yet have you spoken anything good for me, always to prophesy evil is dear to your heart."
"Troilos the chariot fighter"
(Book 1 and 24, trans. Caroline Alexander)
Something something certain violence must only be looked at askance, mouth covered, whispered, denied, rephrased. It did not happen, or it happened but we can't admit that.
#the iliad#trojan war#also the thing where Priam names Achilles' hands as CHILD KILLING#which some scholars think might be not just about the obvious Hektor#but a wink to Troilus' more usual death#*age at death
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I’m curious which war crimes you do and don’t approve of
i enjoy any war crime induced by rage, racking up a ton of kills, maiming every enemy combatant in sight. only shitheads kill in attempt to live up to the heroism of others
#thinking about malouf’s ransom specifically here lol#when he writes achilles’ having a vision of priam’s death at the hands of neoptolemus#with the attempt of avenging his father. but their is nothing to avenge. same with polyxena#in hecuba they have it be tbat achilles’ spirit comes before neoptolemus and tells him to kill her to return#but i could just be a euripides hater with the exception of his helen play but. that doesnt sit right with me#it is to appease the wind in the same way iphigenia was to appease the gods#it was bound to happen anyways. but it is upon achilles’ grave as neoptolemus again sees himself as avenging his father#it is an unsatisfying act. all that killing for the sake of achilles#sure u can be like. polyxena led him to the gates#but she didnt kill him that is paris and apollo#but paris is already dead so who is left for neoptolemus to target as his father’s avenger#it is a role without any use. it is pointless.#and when we see achilles in the odyssey he barely cares about the news of his own son beyond odysseus saying yeah he is chilling#it is more to lament his own suffering#i dont think achilles cares in the end about neoptolemus. he is just a boy like his father bred for war and desperate#for purpose and attachment#beyond that tho. i dont think achilles would approve of killing priam like that is the main thing#he is not above violence to the man. he threatens him in book 24. but in the end there is a respect there. for the grief and loss they share#malouf writes about the shame that follows neoptolemus after everything#and i think that is a far more poignant thing than disappointment from the father you barely know#to carry the weight of your actions knowing that your father would so differently#again achilles is a piece of shit and would do the same if not worse in his son’s place#but in his place toward priam he wouldnt. and neoptolemus reaps that destruction anyways#this is long winded the point is the shame rather than the actual disapproval of war crimes lol#i will say i dont think achilles’ rage and revenge is to the same level. he laments after patroclus died that it hurts more than he thought#because he would think losing a father or son to be more heartbreaking#but no it is the loss of the equal and confidant that hurts the most#but neoptolemus never knew his father. this isnt for his father’s personal sake it is for his legacy + where neoptolemus will end up with it#and therein lies the difference. they have that familial bond but no real connection#ask
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Holy Shit Aeneas's description of the final hours of troy is harrowing. Priam's death? The city burning up? The fall of his comrades? Hector's ghost, covered in wounds handing him the household gods? Oh my god. Ohhhh my god
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I hate dating apps I need to meet the love of my life more organically*
*in hand-to-hand combat before the great walls of the City of Troy
#Icariasia daughter of Priam was seized by Artemis who wields the Golden Arrows and the goddess spoke to her:#fast-footed daughter of kings you have run for many a year and bested many great and renowned Trojan men#in all the arts and sports contrived by Athena the daughter of Zeus who bears the golden aegis#but the gods warn you now that you shall soon face upon this blood-drenched field a daughter of the greatest of the Achean kings#who will match you in all of the arts and sports played at funeral games in honor of the gods for practice of war#and though you now curse the name of the golden-haired enraged Achilles for the death of your many brothers upon this field#you soon shall deny my twin Apollo’s libation and make libations instead to silver-eyed Athena goddess of strategy and war#because her daughter of like mind to strategy and arts shall best you in combat and yet shall spare you#and carry you back to the hollow ships beside the sea#and for that favor and for the spangled mind of a child of Athena daughter of Zeus who widens the heavens with thunder#you shall betray your father and return as willful captive to the strange isles where Helen with the lovely woven braids was born#Iliad#homer#sorry uh I think I was briefly possessed by my past life self
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The Death of Priam by Pierre-Narcisse Guérin
#priam#death#art#pierre narcisse guérin#king#troy#sack of troy#neoptolemus#son#achilles#pyrrhus#greek mythology#the iliad#iliad#trojan#greek#trojan war#ancient greek#ancient greece#history#europe#european#the aeneid#aeneid#homer#virgil#greece#classical antiquity#ancient#war
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the major arcana, shuffled: 4/??
THE HIGH PRIESTESS; ⤉ spirituality, higher power, mystery, subconscious ⤈ hidden motives, secrets, repressed intuition, cognitive dissonance THE EMPRESS; ⤉ motherhood, femininity, nurturing, harmony ⤈ smothering, negligence, lack of growth, insecurity THE EMPEROR; ⤉ fatherhood, structure, authority, control ⤈ tyranny, domination, recklessness, rigidity
#oh boy a 3 for 1 deal!!!#ty to fheythfully for your portrait tutorial!! :D#my game crashed when i was making this and i was about ready to pass away#the idea for this was 'haunted family paintings' with a dash of dorian gray#i intentionally fucked up the facial expressions with crimes & used photoshop filters to achieve the decaying effect of the reverse#for the people who don't know the tatlongharis (aka paris' maternal family via andromache):#the priestess is their aunt cassandra / the empress is their grandma hecuba / the emperor is their grandad priam#paris never met their grandma because she died way before paris was born#how did she die? priam accidentally caused her death but she (and cassandra) predicted she would die b/c they have the echo#so there you go :)#also i tried to match the crowns to the card names but i don't think i got close lol#body horror cw#just in case#notice how hecuba's face is all mangled while priam's flesh is wasting away. like the rotten corpse he is#as per usual flip your phone around to see the reverse sides#mygposes.#ffxiv:tma#ffxivsnaps#gposers#ffxiv gpose#ffxiv oc#hyur
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ST Epic Cycle AU - The Sacking of Troy
#st epic cycle au#faith edits#i cut a LOT out of these edits#between helen going around and calling out the greeks by name#the sacrifice of polyxneia#little ajax's entire actions#and the deaths of priam and Astyanax#just#the sacking really was a bad time#i frankly don't blame the gods for getting pissed#anyway#we start the returns next!#i've got those already done and i'm probably halfway through my odyssey edits now#and the odyssey series is probably gonna be just as long as the trojan war series#but you really should have expected that#i am editing it in the way the odyssey was actually written#:D#nancy wheeler#robin buckley#dustin henderson#heather holloway#carol perkins
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what is your favorite character in the Iliad and why?
Wait wait you want me to choose ONE? Just one?? I'm guessing Patroclus and Achilles are excluded, right? Haha. Because they're my faves and I wouldn’t be able to choose between them anyway 😅
So.... gosh. Idk. This is really hard. There are soooo many characters in the Iliad that I love, literally I could talk about each of them for hours. But I think there's one character I really love and I don't usually talk about here, and that's Priam. I find him so interesting, and he just makes me so emotional lol. I do think about him a lot. I think about how, from a narrative stand point, he conveys so much about Troy and its culture just in the few scenes we see him in. Homer is a master of "show don't tell", and King Priam being so noble, gentle and gracious I feel says a lot about the country as a whole; I believe he's one of the reasons why I often see Troy described as being not only a land of plenty but also a land of fine culture, its people too used to peace. I love the scene with Helen, where he asks her to describe to him the Achaeans outside their gates, and even though they've come for war, he still marvels at how powerful and fearsome they all look. I love how gentle he is with her, like he really seems to try to make her feel welcome even though she's brought nothing but trouble since she arrived in Troy. And I always tear up at the scene where he asks Achilles for Hector's body back, kissing the hands that killed his son. It's just so powerful, one of the scenes that truly haunt you after you've read it.
Thank you for the ask!!
#the iliad#homer's iliad#also damn i've been reading the aeneid and i legit cried at priam's death#even though it's MEANT to be gutting and awful and pyrrhus is a dick in it#that scene still got hands 🥲
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