#dean’s been bi since S1

[buckevantommy]

Hey! It's the first time Buck Begins anon from before!! First of all do not feel bad for rambling - that is exactly what that ask was for! I loved hearing your thoughts!

And to answer your question about how I started watching -- 911 was a show always a show on my 'to watch' radar but I didn't give it much thought? I did watch s1 of lone star tho. until then I saw bi Buck on my dash for the first time after Tommy kisses him and i just went oh??!??! 👀👀 I binge watched season 1 and 2, and then I gave up and ended up watching s7 part 2 live while also watching s3 for the first time 🤣 there were some gaps I had to fill using fanon knowledge but I think it worked? And now I'm furiously trying to watch s4 around my busy work schedule before s8 airs 😅🤣

Hasn't stopped my from reading bucktommy fic or posting gifsets tho. Tommy has bewitched me, I love him. Every time I watch a scene where Buck talks about his love life a part of me is just- don't worry, your man is coming

oh! same here! i'd known about it for years but i'd just avoided it thinking it was just a different take on the same old tired procedural cop shows, or maybe something too dramatised like grey's anatomy. i'm not sure i even realised it was about firefighters until i heard people referring to it as 'the gay firefighter show' and even then i didn't really connect the dots.. 🔥👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨🚒

one of my fave spn blogs (bc i was a destiel girlie before the gay firefighter show consumed my life) was a 911 fan so i learned about bi!buck through her blogging (shoutout to @sunglassesmish: kay, you have changed my life for the better 😚🫶). i mean, i came from spn - where bi!dean is widely considered unacknowledged canon and it's a show now several years past its finale but with a dedicated fanbase still hoping for some kind of reboot or movie or something to fix the shit they did in the finale - to a show with a canon bi character, moreover a character in his 30s who had been presumed (by some)/written as (sorta) straight for 6 whole seasons. and evan buckley.. he's so much like dean wincester: the all american heroic ladies man with a traumatic upbringing and a megawatt smile and babygirl features and a heart of gold who just wants to be loved.. honestly i could write essays about these two.. ✍️

i love that we're on the same page! i started with season 7 (i watched 7x05 and onwards live) and got through seasons 1-3 while s7 was airing week to week, and so my buck knowledge was growing as i excitedly waited for the next ep to air with the rest of fandom (there's just something about that weeklong anticipation, i've missed it so much - the theorising, the time for fanworks, etc). 📺

i was also the same, trying to learn what i could through dash osmosis of the seasons i hadn't watched yet (i knew vaguely about the lightning strike and tried not to spoil myself too much about the family secret but reading fic and meta blew those doors wide open 😅). and even in season 1 i was like: i'm so glad he'll grow to be that person in season 7 one day, that he'll get to be vulnerable and open and earnest and loved and also get kissed by a handsome guy. 🥰

OMG WE ARE BOTH ON SEASON 4!! 🥳 i mean, i knew that, but it's still so exciting to know there are folks out there in the same boat! ⛵ i don't think i've liveblogged any other ep besides Buck Begins, but i think i'll probably do a lightning strike/coma liveblog when i get to it.

omg the amount of bucktommy fics i've consumed since april.. i remember in those early days i was consuming every single fic that got posted on ao3 - about a dozen 1k fics a day - until eventually there was 60+ fics a day and i couldn't keep up, but i'm still reading about 2-5 fics (mostly short ones) a day. this fandom is hella talented. 📚

our love for tommy kinard knows no bounds. 🤝💖🤝 and YES- omg- the way he is just craving love and a partner on the same page as him, someone he can be himself with.. lightning boy will meet him flying into a hurricane and i just think that's neat. ⛈️😘

[naruhearts]

Listen, EW and TPTB—

We’re actually getting ANGEL alum Christian Kane onboard for S15 as Dean’s old former hunting friend, whom he possibly met pre-series canon.

*nudges @bluestar86*

This is a pretty big deal, guys. Quite interesting. BIG stuff on the horizon here.

Narratively, this just brings so many avenues of bi!Dean potential to the table. OUT OF GOOD FUN, I’m obviously and sensibly ready to expect nothing, but also ready to expect everything *flails*

Basically:

[billiewena]

welcome to the good luck steve post, for every reblog steve will wish you good luck :)

[cassierobinsons]

it's no worries! i'm delighted you're answering my asks at all lmao. i really think you and i are on the same wavelength about this show, you're really cool, and you have really good and thoughtful takes.

i blocked that kitsune episode from my memory ugh. it really shouldn't have been a surprise what dabb ended up doing to billie even when she was his character considering how consistently racism creeps into his work.

i'm very sorry you're having to experience season 9, you're very brave to not just skip it. 10 i think is slightly better mainly because it introduces rowena who's a lot of fun and gets some depth as the show goes on (being a hot milf witch also helps a lot) but also mark of cain is not a good time. 12 is a trainwreck in terms of like. watching it as a form of television but the dean and mary scenes hit super hard and feel like they belong on an earlier season that would give them a real resolution.

"like i do not like s8 sam at all but at least there was something going on there! he was a hayes code homophobe and had the haircut of a premade sim but it was something!"

he was soooooo wack about benny lmao. i think it was meant to be portrayed as him projecting his own experiences with ruby but benny literally never did anything wrong so it just made sam look like a dick. which i prefer, i think sam being initially weird about dean being bi as something he never considered is more IC than ex-gsa member sam.

very much agreed on gamble-genuinely interesting ideas but not great execution. i can't think about what happened with lisa without wanting to bite. maybe it's for the best he wasn't paired with cassie instead post swan song because i can't imagine the awful shit they'd pull with her.

(following on from this ask THIS CHAIN IS GETTING LONG LMFAO)

aw thanks anon 😊 i'm enjoying the chance to longform chat about this terrible show.

dabb's racism is easily his worst quality. he's a dean anti and his writing is often mean-spirited but WOW does his racism dwarf everything else.

i've been stuck on s9 since early december and plan on going back to it once i've made some progress catching up on the shows i'm watching rn (namely search party s5, the expanse s5, hacks, AND yellowjackets) so like. realistically i'm not going back until feb lmfao. even then i don't give a shit about the plot rn so i'll only watch eps for cas or when minor characters pop up. i've said this before but the decision to kill kevin off reaaaally weighs on me as being spn's nadir, a real No Melanin Allowed moment. jeremy carver can meet me in the pit, idgaf.

yeah the mark of cain plotline sounds so 😒 and i know what i'm about to say sounds WILD considering the last 3-4 days of dean apologism but ultimately. i am a casgirl who loves dean but not a deangirl so while i love s4 dean's noxious era the prospect of a season and a half of it bores me to tears. toxicity? from a man? groundbreaking. i am looking forward to meeting rowena though. she sounds so cool as a character it's genuinely baffling that a show like spn came up with her.

12 is a trainwreck in terms of like. watching it as a form of television but the dean and mary scenes hit super hard and feel like they belong on an earlier season that would give them a real resolution.

there are a plethora of moments i hear about in the later seasons have me like. damn. this would've been Masterpiece Theatre if it happened 5 years earlier. still, i'm looking forward to watching some of the motws in s12. regarding dean will probably revive brainworms that have lain dormant since my s1-2 deangirl days.

sam was so fucking terrible about benny jdsfdjkfjs and i get that they were trying to parallel it with ruby and especially amy but man. the whole point of the slice girls is that sam killing emma is meant to cancel out the amy thing like pemdas. and it's an evil and wrong point! but it's a point. so having sam get pissy over benny makes him look so bad because bro you literally put a bullet in his daughter, you DO NOT get to be precious about this. but it does lend credence to my personal theory that it's hard for sam to draw from his supposedly deep well of empathy for other supernatural creatures if he cannot directly project his issues onto them 🤭

i've posted briefly about the queer subtext in citizen fang (bonus commentary by @softbrah) and yeah, it is strong evidence that sam has no fucking clue dean desires men carnally. in the secret good s9 that exists in my head dean & human!cas start fucking after like 3 weeks in the bunker and sam is sent into a tailspin.

the lisa&ben thing was gamble being at a 10 when she should've been at a 2. or like a 6 tops. you can tragically bury dean's dreams of being a dad without having him do this horrible thing to his exgf and her son i promise! you don't have to make a writing choice this evil! makes me extremely glad that he didn't go to cassie in canon because gamble handling a black female character is the stuff of nightmares. i do want more deancassie in fic though, stat!

[bellatrixxue]

Xue’s Supernatural Dare: Wendigo (S1 EP2)

Hello, everyone? How did everyone feel about the finale? Yes? Yes? Oh. Oh. Oh my. Oh, dear.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell that half-assed homophobic chicken-shit fuckbucket’s not gonna stop me, since I strapped myself onto this roller coaster already and I promised I’m not getting out until the ride’s over, so here we go, wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Also, those who are in this roller coaster with me, ready? Tag list is: @fangirlxwritesx67​ @amazingiam00​ @kalliravenne​ @indecisive20something​ @2musiclover2​ @impossibletosleepthrough @there-must-be-a-lock​ @wingedcatninja​ @arvit​

Oh my gods this recap is so cheesy I actually can make a fondue out of it. 2000s, everybody!

A WHOLE MINUTE AND A HALF FOR THAT FONDUE

FUCKJUMPSCARETITLEFUCKYOU

So we’re starting the episode with the murder scene first, eh? Is that gonna be a trend?

Oh come on, Chads, you’re out in nature and you’re playing video games? Absorb the nature...before it absorbs you!

Waitwait. Holy shit is that...is that Cory Monteith? Oh, bless his soul...

If the wendigo eats his dick as he’s peeing I’m immediately giving Jensen Ackles $100. For no real reason, I just feel like giving him money for already carrying the show on his back.

I can’t tell if it did or not, so I’m not paying yet.

Aw, Sammy...

"I should have told you the truth.” *Vine voice* BUT YOU DIDN’T

FUCKYOUINTHEASSHOhnightmare. Nightmare. So did he visit her at her grave or not? I need answers.

A week? Goddamn. Poor thing. That man-eating tree’s fucking good at his job, man.

“There’s nothing there, it’s just...woods,” Sam, I don’t know if Jess’s death hit you hard or if you got into law school by eating some ancient dick and/or pussy instead of earning that high score fair and square, but the woods “in the middle of nowhere” (your words) are known to be one of the top places full of weird-ass creatures. Even kindergartners know that.

Ehehehehehehehehe he’s so smol next to his lil bro my lil shit

At least you’re coming up with decent covers this time. No Agent Mulder and Scully ruining things for you this time around.

“Bull” oop-

Oh Dean’s a smoooooooooth operator. Good going, buddy.

AND HE GOT A COPY OF THAT DOCUMENT TEAM DEAN TEAM DEAN

Oh that death really got to Sam. I hope he doesn’t turn out to be a trigger-happy psycho. Or eat the man-eating tree and become one himself.

Oh, Haley’s a cutie! Which one’s her brother? Cory? Discount Enrique Iglesias?

Do you have a card for EVERY profession, Dean? And how do I get them too?

That is a very pretty car. I bet they wasted half the budget on that thing.

Okay, sonny boy, little bro, Broseidon, calm down.

Ah, fuck, Haley and Broseidon is gonna go into the woods, that’s more heads to worry about.

How the fuck does Sam find information this fast? I’m impressed, I take five hours to get to one article for my research paper. Or maybe I’m just lazy. So he really earned his law school interview without having to eat dick and pussy, huh.

Every 23 years? What is this, Pennywise? Are we going to see the wendigo do his best Tim Curry do his best scary clown impression? Honk honk?

“Whatever that thing is, it can move.” And the sun rises on the East, Sammy. Why are you so smart and dumb at the same time? Is this his character trait? It might grow on me.

Ahhh, so Sam’s go-to move at interrogation is doing puppy dog eyes and sympathize with the person. He’d make a good lawyer, shame that man-eating tree.

Go Grandpa Exposition, go!

Go Grandpa Exposition, go, give us information and none at all!

OH GEEZ THAT SCAR. PENNYWISE WENDIGO IS VICIOUS.

Skinwalker, Back Dog...Ooh, those all sound cool! I hope we get to see them soon!

‘Corporeal’ doesn’t sound like a real word, but then again, English doesn’t sound like a real language. Sorry. Moving on.

Sam’s gonna eat the wendigo with that attitude, Jesus Christ.

AND HIS BROTHER, AT THIS RATE. If the real villain turns out to be inside Sam all along I’m gonna flip. Is that why women keep dying and burning on ceilings where he sleeps? Is he secretly Lucifer’s spawn or something?

“Oh sweetheart I don’t wear shorts”. They queer-coded him from the start and they tried to make you believe he was straight for fifteen seasons straight? And some people bought that?

Oh, crap, another crappy death treatment for Cory before he got into Glee...No, I wasn’t into Glee, I just watched a few episodes and I might hate Rachel Berry...And Lea Michele...ahem...

Dean is totally flirting with Roy shut upppppppp

OOP AND THERE ROY GOES OH THE SEXUAL TENSION IS HIGH IN THESE WOODS TODAY

“It’s probably the most honest I’ve been with a woman. Ever.” See. Bi. Bi bi bi.

So...why the coordinates, Daddy Negan? Is this a portal to Hell? A place where man-eating trees grow?

*carefully places death flag on Roy*

Ooooh the campsite is very...haunted house-y. You know what I’m saying?

That’s not Discount Enrique Iglesias, but Pennywise wendigo, yes? Those things can mimic human voices, right?

*Google searches*...There are so many versions of this tale I can’t even confirm or deny it. Dammit.

Maybe Pennywise wendigo just wants some snacks and a nice phone and GPS? Maybe he misses his family in uh, Canada or something?

Daddy Negan’s journal is  a e s t h e t i q u e .

I’m so sorry, but the way Sammy smirks as he speaks with those dark, dark voids for eyes? My boy’s a demon. He’s a demon, I’m telling you.

At least Haley has some sense to her. *puts another death flag on Roy*

*PUTS YET ANOTHER DEATH FLAG ON ROY*

True, that. What the heck is Daddy Negan up to with all of this?

“Saving people, hunting things, the family business!” Okay, the way Dean said it gave me chills.

I can actually empathize with Sam here...As whiny and bitchy as he is, he has his reasons to be this way. I guess if I were in his shoes, I’d be less of a Dean and more of a Sam, too. We deal with our losses quite similarly.

Ah, the brotherly bonding moments like these little talks make the show worth it. It’s so heartwarming.

Pennywise wendigo! I didn’t miss you, why’re you here to burst my happy bubble?

I’m starting to see a slight parallel between Haley and Broseidon and Dean and Sammy. Hmm.

Nice meeting you, Roy. Zoop you go.

Haley and Broseidon are taking this rather well, I’m glad they do.

Okay, actual exposition time, thank you.

Whoa, Broseidon speaks! Donner Party! Please don’t remind me of that! Those poor people!

Hibernation and food storage. Delightful, just delightful.

TORCHING? *CALLS RAMMSTEIN*

Somehow, not being able to see the wendigo is scarier to me than what I will probably see itself. Limited budget horror can actually work well.

Oh, dear, Roy literally did a death drop. Badum tissssssssss.

FUCK IT TOOK DEAN THE ONLY CHARACTER I CARE ABOUImean I love you too, Sam! Come on, let’s find him before it’s too late!

A trail of M&Ms! Yes, Broseidon! And Hansel and Gretel refercalled it. Sammy, you and I share the same wavelength?

SHITSHITTHEYTRIPPEDANDFELLINTHEFUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Thank the gods the Pennywise wendigo kept them right there. Chances.

DISCOUNT ENRIQUE IGLESIAS IS STILL ALIVE GEEZ BUT ALSO PHEW

Ah, Dean Winchester, I love you so much that I can’t even begin to describe it.

Also how convenient that the flare guns are there. Deus ex machina!

Haley would bode well as a hunter, look at her courage, her will. There are more hunters around than Daddy Negan and the brothers, right?

Yeah, seeing the actual wendigo makes me less scared of it now. It’s unnerving, but still.

TEAM DEAN YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW

Graphics are...alright, but it’s the thought that counts!

Running with the grizzly bear story. Smart Broseidon. Ben. Sorry, you deserve to be called by your real name. I think with practice they could become good hunters, along with their Discount Enrique Iglesias brother! Is there a fanfiction for that? Can I write it now?

...

I AM WILLING TO DIE TO PROTECT DEAN WINCHESTER I

Haley’s a lesbian, that’s why she kissed him on the cheek only. Headcanoned. Also I have a crush on her, she’s really pretty? Like? Heart eyes???

Ah, the siblings parallels again. Let’s hope neither of the two brothers end up in the bed like that.

“Man, I hate camping.” Really. Really really. Really.

“I’m driving”

...

SAM WINCHESTER I’M SORRY I EVER SPOKE ILL OF YOU I WILL PROTECT YOU WITH MY LIFE TOO I PROMISE YOU I WILL

It’s just a sassy bisexual brother and his little snide bisexual brother on the road to kill evil creatures and find their father and I love this show? Help? Help???

I really, really see the charm of Supernatural now! I’m fully invested in both brothers and their story, and I’m cheering them both on! Let’s get Daddy Negan back and get rid of that man-eating tree once and for all!

Six stars out of five!

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

This dare is introducing me to a whole new world, and I really, really am glad I took that jump a few days ago, man!

Thank you everyone for reading my ramblings, and I’ll see you in the day after with the next review! Thank you for sticking with me! Buh-bye!

- Xue

[angelsdean]

ok but re-conceptualizing the pilot to position dean as the main (he’s already the main, we know this, but like. lets make it more explicit) so instead of jumping straight to sam at stanford we instead cut to--dean driving in the impala and calling sam over and over but he won’t pick up. we then see sam’s phone on the table at the bar and he’s distracted w/ jess and his college pals. that whole scene happens. then we cut back to dean who’s now on campus roaming around looking for sam bc it’s been a few yrs since dean was last at stanford to visit sam and he actually doesn’t know where sam lives currently. and it’s halloween so everyone’s dressed up and he’s asking around if anyone knows where he can find a sam winchester and he ends up at the same party/bar sam was at earlier but he’s not there anymore and like. he’s dean so there are def people checking him out (both guys and girls) and maaaybe just maaaybe there’s a guy in an angel costume (*ahem* foreshadowing) and he gives dean a very suggestive once over and dean is Looking and maybe gives a lil eyebrow raise...maybe there’s also a girl in a devils costume too...u know just rly solidify canon bi dean from the get-go plus it’s s1 he’s still a lil slut (affectionate)...and then cut to sam’s place, dean finally shows up and he’s looking a little ruffled, hair a mess, maybe some glitter (from the angel) and red lipstick marks (devil) on his skin. and then we see dean break in and the whole tussle w/ sam happens except its not a big shock reveal for the /audience/ that it’s dean it’s just a shock for sam who has not seen his brother in like 3 yrs and jess is like “who’s this” and sam’s like “my brother” and she’s like “you have a brother???” and dean’s like “rude u never told her abt me??? anyways dad’s missing.” 

[itisa-profoundbond-sarandom]

Destiel, Buddie: the great love patterns and one failure.

I'm going to highlight the patterns of baiting and good storytelling. Chim sounds like the Sam to Dean!Buck. Cas!Eddie and Claire/Jack!Chris.

WARNING: not a negative post, this is from a destielshipper!POV looking to something so beautiful like 9-1-1.

As someone pointed out: if Eddie was a girl they would've already get laid. Same thing with Dean if Cas was a girl.

(my gifs)

We know Dean and Buck like to get laid with many girls...and have some homo-joke-scenes with guys.

Dean Winchester being a disaster bi (since S1)

(+ Josh and roomate!Albert - I know someone ships it xD) What I really enjoyed with Buck/Abby is the meaning of the storyline. D (who likes older women also) and B always get the part of having fun, and when it comes to express their feelings, not all their crushes understand their soul and they don't always admit those with themselves.

Abby: I think I was afraid that If I came back, I would become that person again. Because I missed you. I wanted to see you. But I didn’t trust myself.

Buck: Because being there, being with me, you might lose yourself again?

Shannon: I can’t fail him again, or you and I won’t. I’m still learning how to be someone’s mother and after that maybe I can be someone’s wife.

Eddie [to Bobby]: [...] she wanted a divorce. And I’m still mad. How stupid is that? I’m agry at a dead person and at myself because I forgave her for everything, and that wasn’t enough. I wasn’t enough.

Buck [to Maddie]: You’re never the one getting left behind. You’re the one who leaves. You don’t know what’s like to watch someone you love walk away.

Dean [to Lisa]: When I do picture myself happy...it’s with you.

Lisa:  You've got so much buried in there, and you push it down, and you push it down. Do you honestly think that you can go through life like that and not freak out? Just, what, drink half a fifth a night and you're good? Dean: You knew what you signed up for.

Lisa: Yeah. But I didn't expect Sam to come back. And I'm glad he's okay. I am. But the minute he walked through that door, I knew. It was over. You two have the most unhealthy, tangled-up, crazy thing I've ever seen. And as long as he's in your life, you're never gonna be happy. That came out so much harsher than I meant. Dean: It's not your fault.

Who does understand them? The best friend. Cas and Eddie are the best friends to who they talk to, they can feel judged by but it doesn't really matter (or it DOES); they trust each other and feel safe.

you gave up an entire army for one guy (dean)

thank you, for not giving up

 stupid for the right reasons 

maybe you could’ve come at it a little differently

The Abby-phase was very important 'cause B wanted to stop to think about just the sex part and really connect with the person, doin' romantic stuff, even VDay; feelings were in the game. 

(He literally asked to the firetruck!girl to see her again...but she said no. Ali? She acted like a Lisa.)

B really tried to find someone and always felt left behind. D had two important relationships, one with Cassie (yeah, that's fun) and I liked her -but he couldn't have a black girlfriend, right(?). Always felt left behind, by his father, by his brother, his mother’ memories were a lie.

When we first see Cassie, they didn’t see each other in a very long time and they get a reunion during a case.

Much like Eddie and Shannon.

(not saying also this...but....this)

Lisa and the weird-and-bad-written-originally story with Amara...who knew Dean bc of his 'dark' side. (Amara has found Cas and Dean’s profound connection and Dean was scared by her darkness connected to his anger and loniless).

At one point Amara will find Dean thanks to Cas's heart  just my reply to go fast  (while Cas was possessed by Lucifer- an annoying bitch who is used as a destiel bait)

We know Buck for his autodiagnosed sex addiction with women and Eddie as a married man with a son and wife not in the picture...and the episode- I'm so sorry, but the beginning of S2 with Buddie can't be described as two hets - there are tropes.

We start to fall for them and Chim with Maddie, wait- Sam!Chim and Eileen!Maddie.

Sam and Eileen’ first episode is basically a blind date on a hunt. They flirt and make a badass duo, she's deaf and super sassy and they're so sweet together. Many start to ship it asap.

I cried with Madney asap.

What does Maddie do since Buck start talking about Chris and Eddie? Yeah.

What does happen in Fanfiction with Sam (he’s a Maddie here) and when Saileen comes back on S15?

Bros shipping their bros with their best friends, mirroring them.

Madney have Buddie patterns.

Saileen is presented as a Het!Destiel parallel...and they can kiss.

Sam asks Dean if he could start thinking about settle down with someone who understand the life, another hunter. Eileen is a hunter. Cas is an angel - the one who raised him from perdition and got lost for his beautiful soul/hunter.

I LOVE that Eddie can be just a friend to Lena and Marjan, basically (I hope not to see this ruined in the future).

Now, over the line: Dean has a mother figure in Bobby!Jody and Jody is shipped with Athena!Donna (also good friend to Dean) and he's got a sister figure in Hen!Charlie.

[Jody, Charlie]

(Jody and Donna have many daugthers figures and a spin-off who hasn't been picked bc too many poc girls, queer girls and two not young women with perfect bodies.)

Bobby!Jody helped him with his mother-plot-fiasco (that was really bad) and I loved Mary before s12.

[I'm having fun thinking about this connections, leave me alone if it'ss just a great big illusion]

I forgive you / of course I forgive you

personal space / personal space

Destiel, uncle!Sam and Jack

Destiel, uncle!Sam and Claire

*love is in the air*

oh and beside the MurphyPatterns (Klaine, Bryan&David) we do have the KripkePatterns also (Timeless, The Boys 2 3 )

One of the most loud BI!Dean eps

I’m ready for some domestic Buddie and Madney

Eileen and Cas back from the dead

Just to make you all laugh after this big movie, remember the chars:

what a destiel scene always looks like

THE END: 

Yes, C*W and Fox aren’t the same, and yes producers can make the difference. all SPN writers WEREN’T the problem, directors neither, not to mention the actors. 

C*W thrived on Destiel for 12 years, building a very good story that could’ve show two men accepting the love they deserved....but they failed, erasing every other (lgbtq, poc, disable) characters.

Fox doesn’t need more viewers but they WILL gain more of them showing Buddie because representation of a M/M ship with BI/PAN (I see Pan!Eddie) it’s a huge thing for TV and it matters. I always see gay love not many other possibilities, with Murphy mostly, he can make the change again. 

A reminder to what C*W did 

[devotionthatcorrupts]

ok so you sent me an ask about my tags, but i've always loved yours!!! i like it when people have tags that are poetic or songs or references or inside jokes. how did you choose the ones you use? they all seem related but if there's a story, i'd love to hear it!

I'm so happy to hear that I put so much effort into having a coherent tagging system on here it makes me delighted when people like them. They actually are all unrelated source wise but they are all themed around what I think the character/relationships central thesis is. these are going to be long so I'm going to put it under a read more.

knighthood as religion is dean's tag because I believe his core narrative is centered around being both raised and personally devoted to the idea of being a protector and shield for people but in particular sam in a way that goes beyond duty and exists as a devout calling. without that he lacks purpose and ambition (even though he doesn't but the fact that he actively chooses not to pursue anything outside of this adds to the religious sacrifice inmho) protecting sam, and through assocation, sam himself are his deities creating a very specific moral code that he operates under that only he understands and holds himself too. it's both a critique of his character and what I see as a personal tragedy as john raised him this way and he never really had a choice or an option to exist any other way - the fact that he embraces it is almost a non-existent point because he was created to be duty bound and dies duty bound in a way that he revels and finds peace in because he's always known that was his fate.

the devil that was is sam's tag because his identity is created on being lucifer's vessel despite the fact that his personality and nobility is the antithesis of it. his early narratives are wrapped around him struggling to work against this nature and briefly, embracing it as a means to an end but then ultimately rejecting his function and form and becoming himself again even if it is at a high cost that he never full recovers from. sam is actively choosing to not be what he was created for and so "the devil that was" is this idea that he both was, is, and isn't demonic and in way, that's the only act of agency he's allowed to consistently keep throughout the series. he doesn't own his life, body, purpose, direction, or connections but he did prevent himself from being the vessel of lucifier and I think that's central to the way that I understand and appreciate his character.

two people shorten a road comes from the irish term bóthar with that being it's literal translation as a means of saying "company makes the journey pass more quickly" and that companionship makes life better. I don't use that tag for them anymore because what I like about their relationship has changed but I still think it's a good tag. my brother tag at the moment is just the winchester brothers as placeholder until I find something new. the road leads nowhere is somewhat connected to two people shorten a road and it's my thesis of the show tag about how the entire story is about the fact that they are falling a pre-destined plan (both within and outside of the meta) that their journey is ultimately meaningless and that they revel and seek out that meaninglessness because the road itself is the only home they've known and they have never sought out, or settled at a destination. it's both a jab at the show's insane, convoluted narrative and a mythical commentary on their purpose.

I wait for you at roadside mass is my sastiel tag which I don't use as much anymore because my interest in the ship has waned as I've focused almost exclusively on s1-5 but it's the idea that sam is religiously devout and cas is both a representation of the divine, proof of the divine, and also a vessel for divine love. sam is always traveling and since he grew up in a family that wasn't interested in religion he has no concept of a stationary church or house of worship and so cas in many ways embodies that for him. cas is his holy house and he waits for him by the roadside for him to hear his prayer and create space and connection to the divine.

childhood is a kingdom where nobody dies is my pre-series tag and a edna st. vincent poem (my url is also from an edna st. vincent poem she is a very important poet to me) about the transition from childhood to adulthood and ultimately, the departure for it in a way that feels very appropriate for the winchesters. it's also a play on irony, as their childhood was filled with death and also a bi-product of the death of their mother but also they did not die, and their father did not die and in a way they learned to accept that as long as that didn't happen death lacked permanence.

love is where the knife goes in is my samruby tag and it's just about their jesus/judas relationship just the foundation of what it's like to love your own betrayer, knowing that they plan on wounding you and wincing when it goes in anyway even if you are waiting to hurt them in term and how if you experience that enough you start associating love with wounding, that even the wound itself become a deceleration of affection in its own way.

the motherless oven is my winchester family tag and it's from the title of a graphic novel from the same name that has no relation to supernatural but the phrase has always stuck with me and i feel like it embodies the family well. they are a hot-tempered, relentless family that are all trapped within each other and because of each other and all mourn and represent the absence of mary in their lives. they are both their own tomb and also entombed within their romanticization and martyrdom of mary.

and those are all of my active tags! I still want tags for ruby, john, both of the boys in relation to their father because each of them have a fascinating relationship with him, cas, and maybe the winchesters + cas because that is an engaging dynamic as well. I do not like deancas and don't blog about it but I probably would come up with a fun tag for it if creativity struck me.

thank you again for asking!!! this was so much fun to type out. I've been wanting to write out something like this for awhile because I have put a lot of thought into each tag.

[stuffingisforfools]

listen sam has no idea that dean is bi like before s8, like i don't think he's ever even thought about it in any serious manner at all before dean goes insane about cas and purgatory. Sam is v much the baby brother and like to be clear i like sam but that doesn't change that he was a very self involved child, and again to be clear i don't mean this in a bad way, all children are self involved and don't really understand that the people raising them are people with their own stuff going on, and i think by the time sam started to realize that dean was a person he had already started chafing against john's rule and everything to do with hunting, you add that in with the fact that dean has been lying to protect sam since they were young young you get a kid who doesn't really know alot of his brothers life. Like it's clear from flashbacks that we see that there was ALOT (sonny's, the strigha, dean being sent away, john's reaction to flagstaff, dean hooking) about them growing up that sam just straight up doesn't know or even remember cause he was younger and like 4 years doesn't seem like that much but it really does change how much of what you perceive is happening. And then sam leaves like right away at 18 and only has some sporadic if any contact with his brother for 4 years. s1 sam is learning who is brother is as an adult to another adult and that's a very different perception than the one he had before he left. So yeah imo sam has no idea dean isn't straight until maybe s8.

That being said dean absolutely thinks that sam knows. In my head dean told sam s3 era time cause you know fuck it, he's already going to hell might as well fuck a couple guys on the way down. I think dean thinks he came clean to sam sometime around then and they just never talked about it again because "no chick flick moments" and also the apocalypse and all the chaos after that didn't really leave room for a lengthy conversation about it and really dean doesn't want to hear it so he's good with the status quo. Except sam did NOT get the memo, he was so preoccupied at the time with trying to save dean from hell and just genuinely had no context for the conversation and dean was just so awkward about it and kept using so many euphemisms that sam thought dean was being homophobic and joking around and he didn't want to deal with it at the time so he just brushed it off as dean being weird and freaked out about hell and never thought about it again.

[norahastuff]

I agree with you that there were ways to work around the bi Dean thing. But I’ve noticed a pattern. This always happens when things get too gay. They regress to old bibro ways. They get scared and go back to the one thing they can always count on. Sam Dean & impala. The great gay s8 was followed by no homo (you can’t stay because of *Sam*). The s12-13 escalation made Deans feelings so loud. Then again they regressed to bibroness and in s14 we had Dean bullying Cas just to hammer it in.

I mean I understand your frustration post-finale because Dean and Cas didn’t get a satisfying conclusion to their arc, in whatever form that may be but I guess I just don’t agree with the rest of it. 

All that stuff you pointed to, those were all story arcs. Dean didn’t send Cas away in s9 to put a halt to any relationship developments between them, he did it because the story was how Sam and Dean’s desire to save each other at whatever cost was toxic to the people around them and the other relationships in their lives. That’s the whole point of the Carver era. We go from Benny and Amelia to Cas, to Kevin to Charlie (which is a whole different conversation) to eventually the whole world. Hell, the whole “Dean having to leave Cas for Sam’s sake even though that’s not what he wants at all” thing  in 9x06 is immediately followed by 9x07, an episode where we see flashbacks to where he has to leave his first love Robin and a happy home because Sammy needs him.

You can argue about the execution, on my first watch I was very frustrated that they never showed us the reason Dean gave Cas for why he had to leave - though I now suppose the point was Dean didn’t really have a good reason and newly human Cas was supposed to be confused and upset about the whole thing and not understand why this was happening, but your mileage may vary.

In regards to the s12-13 thing...I guess I just don’t get that one? Dean’s feelings for Cas were given a long extended focus, especially how differently he felt for him than Sam did. Cas coming back and Dean getting his faith back, that was huge for him, but the point wasn’t just that Dean just needs Cas and then everything’s going to be ok. It was a very important turning point for him and highlighted just how central a role Cas played in his life, but Dean has other issues. His self-worth, his guilt when he thinks he can’t save the people he loves, his father’s conditioning that made him feel like he was just a blunt instrument, all that doesn’t just go away because he got Cas back. That’s what the second half of s13 was building to - Dean being pushed to his lowest by losing all the people he loves and getting them all back (Cas, Mary, Sam, Jack), and then just when he thinks he’s ok, losing them again. So he does what he thinks he’s good for and says yes to Michael.

And boy do I absolutely not think s14 was in any way trying to erase Dean and Cas’ relationship. The whole Michael arc was to highlight all of Dean’s repressed insecurities and issues. Facing John and putting that ghost to rest, letting go of some of the trauma that John had inflicted on him and choosing not to allow it to poison who he was now and the family he built acknowledging that he was good with his life...that was all really important stuff for Dean to go through. And then of course everything blows up with Mary, Jack, and God and Free Will, because you’re watching Supernatural and that’s how it works.

As for Dean “bullying” Cas...Ummm what? That arc you were talking about in s12-13 after which you said they regressed the Dean and Cas story, this was the follow up to that. Because yeah we learned a lot about Dean and Cas and how they felt during that time. Then Cas returned and it seemed like everything was business as usual. Except it wasn’t. Dean being angry at Cas about the whole Mary thing wasn’t about Mary. This was a setup for them finally having to address their issues for real, issues that always got swept under the rug because there was bigger life or death stuff that was more important than their feelings. But then Cas said enough. He wasn’t going to play that game anymore. Dean needed to face up to himself. Ever since s8, their dynamic has been Dean thinking Cas doesn’t want to stay with him because he doesn’t care, and Cas leaving because he thinks Dean doesn’t care enough to ask him to stay. 14x18-15x09 was another arc heavily focused on this whole thing, eventually culminating in their trip to Purgatory and Dean’s prayer. 

And then don’t even get me started on how 15x18 and Cas’ confession takes essentially all the above elements and uses them to show just how well Cas knows and understands Dean and how important he is for Dean’s journey to self-acceptance and peace (the well-constructed arc of their relationship hits a wall for me at the whole Dean refusing to kill Chuck part of 15x19 so that’s as far as I’m talking about when I’m saying all this.) 

I’m not making any of this up. This isn’t me reading into something that wasn’t there. That’s the narrative and what has happened between them over the course of the show. It’s not all that’s happened. There were a lot of detours and other plots etc that maybe sometimes weren’t all that good. There have been over 300 episodes, 15 seasons with most seasons having more than 20+ episodes. This show is not known for speeding through emotional growth or rapidly advancing relationship developments. It was long-running. These things unspooled slowly - sometimes too slowly and at times to the point where it wasn’t particularly fun or interesting to watch (s10 I’m looking at you.) 

Look this show is not just about Dean and Cas. Yes their relationship is a vital and core element both for each other and the show, but ultimately the central relationship in this show was Sam and Dean, and looking at any time the show wasn’t solely focused on just Dean and Cas’ romantic feelings for each other and saying it was just a “no homo” is just not the way I ever looked at it. And also some of the times that there were low points or lulls in their relationship it made sense in relation to the greater story, and again your mileage may vary on how well they handled it, this show was certainly not always good with pacing or execution and no matter what else was going on, it was always going to stay beholden to the “two brothers in a car hunting monsters” formula, so their refusal/inability to separate Sam and Dean for more than 2 episodes at a time was always going to put a crimp in certain plots. You can like that or not (I personally was often frustrated by this) but it is what it is.

Like I’m on s5 in my rewatch right now and it’s crazy how differently Dean and Cas’ relationship was written back then as opposed to in s8. He consistently became coded as a different figure in Dean’s life than he was before and he’s important in a whole different way. It’s when they start leaning properly into the whole concept of Dean needing Cas on an emotional level, not just to help fight or to save them or whatever, but rather just because he cares deeply about him and needs him by his side. (There’s also a whole other post about the whole Dean and love interests thing in s1-6 vs s8/9-15 and how narratively that completely changed and how often Cas was slotted into that position or pointed to as potential for that but that’s a longer conversation and involves a discussion about subtext vs text, and since this is long enough I’ll just leave it at that for now.) 

I’m not going to sit here and defend the finale. Personally, my issues with how Dean and Cas’ relationship were handled in that episode aren’t even about the “no homo” of it all but if you think that’s what it was and that’s what they were doing, that’s completely valid and I’m certainly not going to argue with you.  But there’s a reason I liked this show, there’s a reason it was so interesting to follow the trajectory of these characters and relationships and all of that doesn’t suddenly get erased because the end didn’t satisfyingly conclude their arc. All of the rest of it still happened. It’s still there. 

[inmyarmswrappedin]

High key concerned by how many people think it might be Ava's season next. I don't think druck has the sauce, i don't think any of the remakes have the sauce, to turn this fandom into a fair and balanced one when they are met with people that look like Ava and can be quite assertive . An Ava season at this junction would be strongly rejected by the masses and seems like an express lane to cancellation. Who do u think will be the next main? Sorry if you've already shared your thoughts on this.

Hi anon! 🌸 I think the next main will be Fatou. 

As for Ava, I don’t think her storyline with _huelk has played as big a role in the episodes as Fatou/Kieu My. I’m also a bit unsure about whether _huelk will actually show up on Thursday tbh. I’d feel a bit more sure he’ll show, if Ava told the girls about him and she asked Nora to come along with her. 

This fandom will inevitably be a shitstorm when Ava is the main, but I mean, wbk. Let’s just look at the reactions to any Sana season, not just from fandom, but casual viewers and even people who don’t know anything about these shows, but have a lot to say about a show choosing to feature characters like the Sanas.

But I also don’t think that should be reason not to do it. Like, we can’t just keep these characters as sidekicks until a time in the future where people won’t complain about them being main, or we’ll be waiting forever lol. 

I know this is the dumbest example ever, but ever since SPN ended, I’ve been thinking about how different the TV landscape was 5/10/15 years ago. 

(Some rambling about 00s TV shows no one cares about)

When SPN premiered in 2005, the idea that any of the male leads would say ILU to another dude was absolutely unthinkable. A fan gave Dean’s actor an essay about his character being bi at a con (sidenote: cons should probably be abolished) and he wrote “?? No” on it and gave it back. In 2020 Castiel told Dean he loved him, and Dean’s actor was, like, swapping reaction videos to that moment with Castiel’s actor. 

Likewise, when Glee premiered in 2009, the show immediately sidelined Mercedes for Rachel, and constantly made jokes about how Mercedes would never be lead because she was lazy, unprincipled, didn’t want it enough, etc. In the finale episode, which aired in 2015, the show acknowledged that Schue (and by extension the show/network) never saw Mercedes as the lead because of the way she looked (both misogynoir and fatphobia). 

And I could give sooo many examples of Kurt storylines that were obviously rewritten to pacify homophobic viewers. For instance, in one s1 episode Kurt comes a little too strongly on Finn (but I should note everyone on that show came a little too strongly on their crushes, it was pretty much your usual teen show with toxic examples of human interaction). This angered a man to such a point that he approached the showrunners at Comic Con and demanded that Kurt apologize for being a creep. So in s2, even Kurt’s own dad calls him out on being a creep towards Finn, and he’s made to back off from a duet with a straight dude character because everyone makes him feel he was a creep for even thinking about it. 

Later on, Kurt switches schools for a while because he’s being targeted by a bully and he and Blaine talk about how no one does anything about homophobic bullying because people seem to feel that if you’re gay, then you’re just going to suffer. This line reminds me so much of how showrunners have approached Sana seasons. All the characters sort of act like, well, the Sanas have dared to be hijabi and racialized, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ there ain’t much the other characters can do about that suffering ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

The point I’m trying to make is that, yes, Castiel dying right after confessing he loves Dean and Dean’s feelings being up for interpretation is total bullshit when you can watch 73589 Netflix shows and a handful of Isak seasons with canonical representation, same gender affection, sex scenes, etc. but it is also something no show would’ve done when SPN first premiered in 2005. (When queer rep was a female character showing up in town during sweeps week to share a kiss with one of the female leads and then disappear to never be talked about again.) It was only possible because SPN lasted into 2020 when that scene is tame compared to what audiences are used to seeing in other (some more niche) shows. It was bullshit that Glee painted Mercedes as lazy to justify Rachel getting all the solos, but at least they lasted long enough that they could say, “yeah that happened for racist reasons.” It was bullshit that Kurt could only get face time if he was being tortured or crying, because homophobic audiences couldn’t take a, to use your word, “assertive” gay character who behaved like all the other Glee characters with crushes. But if it hadn’t been for Kurt and other similarly weeping gays, who’s to say we’d have had Isak (who was created in response to Norwegians teens watching American teen shows, remember!), Cris, Matteo, etc. etc. 

Are audiences going to be racist and fatphobic and misogynistic in response to Ava’s season? Yep! But an Ava season would do something Glee never allowed Mercedes to do, and it’s to be the star of the show. (And ngl, “it’s yo girl Mercedes” was such a recurring phrase on Glee that I’ve wondered whether Ava’s ig name is a lowkey inspired by it.) Without Kurt there wouldn’t be an Isak, and without Mercedes there wouldn’t be an Ava. So an Ava season needs to happen regardless of fandom being ready for it. 

[remythologise]

I hope this doesn't come off as ass kissing (or dismissive) but think it kind of does make sense why actors and most writers live in this sphere. They have a personal connection to the work and it's hard to see it get criticized (even if the criticism is something they may look back on as being valid). Also even if there are problems in their work, from a professional standpoint, they can't be as critical as fans because no actor wants to be known as the person who constantly criticises the writers and no writer wants to be known as the person who constantly criticises the network

No it isn’t dismissive or anything at all! Makes perfect sense, and especially if they were choices that everyone liked and approved of. It’s hard to see that get rejected and it’s not even entirely based on the plot points they chose - it’s because of execution - and these people are ALSO living in a completely different context to us. Like, a lot of the destiel fans from yore are happy with this ending! Because it’s way more than they ever expected to get, and a lot of them were in fandom when s1-5 Dean was the generally accepted characterisation. And for people who formed an impression of Dean in that era, maybe this is the right ending for them (a la Swan Song). Reddit fans with... similar readings of the characters from Kripke era interpretations and personal preferences, and definitely Singer/Kripke themselves, are why this ending happened. And it was definitely an ending they believed in and thought was good and tragic and touching and appropriate.

But since I’ve been involved in both periods, and I’ve gone through watching the series recently and getting involved with later fandom and meta and fandom works, I KNOW the tone changed, I KNOW about Dean wanting to retire, I KNOW about the little lines here and there about toes in the sand and follow your heart and always wanted to be a dancer every bit of subtext that went into Dean’s paralleled endgame romantically/life-partnered-ally entangled with Castiel. Ever since Jack, and found family, it’s been in the cards. So yeah, I know for a fact Misha or Jensen or reddit dot com or even s4-5 Destiel stans are not picking up on the fact this show and these characters evolved, and even if it was only a couple of writers - Yockey, Berens - making it particularly obvious. And from that viewing the narrative as a whole, viewing all the implications of season 15 and the character arcs - this made no damn sense. But, unfortunately, as with the Dean-loves-Cas-is-bi subtext - you might need to be reading the show as closely as tumblr does, with meta and side-by-side gifs, in order to see that. I can tell you for a fact nobody on the subreddit gives one grain of sand of analysis compared to tumblr (and that’s not just because it’s reddit vs. tumblr as a platform; conversely, reddit gave way more analysis on GoT than tumblr did.) And so the cast and general audience therefore simply don’t have the same context for their takes.

(As a side note; Jensen Ackles has always been too close to Dean and Misha too close to Castiel, in this essay I will examine masculinity, sexuality, self-worth and sacrifice in the context of-)

[maxortecho]

Why do you dislike Michael 👀

Ok first pls know most of my fandom friends like Michael so I don’t want to hurt any feelings 😂 🙏 Under the cut so people don’t have to read it.

Also please no one take this as an opportunity to argue me out of my opinions—it’s been almost 18 months in this fandom so I’ve heard the arguments but my feelings are my feelings at this point.

- A ton of it is Vlamis. I found his acting try hard and obnoxious since his very first scene, and I have continued to feel that way.

- For a lot of S1, it felt like Michael’s main argument was that Max should’ve just let Liz die. I loved Liz since her first scene, so as a defensive Liz stan I always got bothered by this attitude, and then became actively pissed off about it after it was revealed what the pod squad did.

- 1x02 diner scene. That one is massive. I have never been able to get past this scene. The problem with this scene also applies to Isobel for me. I have been in this fandom since 1x01 aired, so I remember when fandom’s main takeaway from this scene was how cool his “chocoholic” line was and that was it. Also some anger about Michael getting punched. No one cared about how Liz was getting treated though. There ended up being some pushback discussion to Michael&Isobel’s behaviour in 1x02 starting around 1x05/1x06, which is also when metas/justifications for the 1x02 scene started popping up. I’ve read basically all of them and disagreed. Still hate it.

- We’ve never gotten an apology (for what happened to Rosa, or the treatment of Liz during S1). Personally, as a viewer, and even as a Max stan back then, I had to work towards forgiving Max after 1x06 aired. And that was ALREADY for the one pod squad character who a) saved Liz at the risk of himself and his family, and b) had been trying to protect Arturo since then (compare this to, say, Michael’s “meh too bad” reaction when Isobel said Arturo was likely going to be targeted by hate crimes that night). Max ultimately won my forgiveness in S1 because he apologised repeatedly, and he ended up handing all the power over to Liz so she could decide how to resolve her feelings about it and whether or not she wanted them to face the consequences. I came back around on Max because I saw genuine remorse. I have never gotten this content from Michael&Isobel so I personally have not had reason to shift in my feelings about them. Given how this show has played out, we’re likely not going to get that content, so I’ll likely always be disinterested in both of them.

- Michael’s violence largely goes unchecked by both the show and the fandom. Personally Michael’s specific displays of violence are triggering for me. Fandom’s refusal to engage with this topic is frustrating; hell, I have read meta that has framed Michael’s form of violence as being “better” because he apparently controls what he’s doing and how far he goes with it and so he knows what he’s doing (never mind that violence is still violence on the receiving end, and that on the receiving end YOU don’t know where it’s going).

- Carina’s been upfront about him being her favourite and it’s becoming more apparent within the show’s content as we go on. The way things are written around him. The effort to centralise him. I’m wary going forward that Liz will continue getting less effort put into her story, vs a character I don’t like increasingly getting more effort and care put into his. That Carina will have a harder time reining in her bias. See also Carina not promoting Jeanine/Liz at all during the hiatus while continually posting about Vlamis/Michael/MA. I’m wary.

- In general, I’m just not digging what the show is putting down with this character. He feels like a bunch of Dean Winchester fanfic tropes thrown together and... okay, even as someone who’s consumed lots and lots of Dean/Castiel and bi!Dean fanfic, I’m bored by it. That Michael&Sanders scene in 2x09? It’s Dean&Bobby from SPN copy and paste. Sometimes Carina’s past fandom history really jumps out, and it’s most obvious with Michael imo. RNM’s writing feels particularly weak around him imo.

[abedsweaters]

ABED MADNESS: ROUND 4.5

she is back!!! so before we can resume the actual competition, we have a small conundrum. In the last round, the Dark Denim Jacket tore down the rest of the competition in the Cardigan contest (and well deserved).

But uh.... that’s not a cardigan. It was a bonus option to fill slots. And I refuse for a non-cardigan to triumph in a CARDIGAN COMPETITION. so i am going to include the dark denim jacket AND a cardigan in the final ranking

so before we can start the final ranking, we gotta resolve this issue. 

VOTE IN THIS BONUS POLL TO DECIDE ON THE ACTUAL BEST CARDIGAN: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSemkqe1AdBlerXqCdxMbJFTpnsU0GMp3QH1qI_mQl3iQUNCKQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

Stats next time, but BONUS Qs below the cut:

Some Hot Takes! Bolded means I agree, italics means i DISAGREE, otherwise i am neutral. if i have commentary it will be at the end in {curly brackets}

uhhhhhhhh annie is a lesbian

I thought that the Epidemiology episode was legitimately scary and I still don’t like watching it even if I know how it ends! (Is that a hot take or am I just a baby?)

s6 of community is great actually frankie is a wonderful addition to the cast and some of my fave community moments ever are from that season!!!! plus the finale makes it all worth it

ppl that ship j/a fundamentally misunderstand their character arcs

I have none. Honestly I’m in the middle of moving and I spent 14 hours today driving through the middle of fucking nowhere and I think it melted my brain. I have no hot takes. I have no takes at all right now. {bruh moving is the WORST i literally still have shit all over my apartment bc i dont wanna move it}

they tried So Hard to keep pierce in the group in s1 but in s4 he literally doesnt appear in like 5 episodes and it doesnt change the group dynamic. they never needed pierce and the show wouldve been better without him

Best ship is troy abed and annie {y’all do u but uh.... i do not see trobedison sry}

vampires arent even sexy

abed and britta smoke together

Abed in his ghost story outfit is..very hot

Abed definitely slept with that Balkan genocide guy

troy and annie have adhd and the trobedison apartment is just Neurodivergent Solidarity Central

i don't think i have any community hot takes i'm very basic... i love troy and abed and annie and i know in my heart that jeff and britta are both bi.... idk

Annie lesbian :)

the dean is one of the best characters

people like to laugh at duncan/chang which i get objectively it is sorta funny but also its an incredibly big brained concept and i think we need to acknowledge the genuine chemistry the have, even if more in theory than in canon since duncan mostly disappears after s2/s3 {idk about this one my dude}

can't think of a hot take atm so i'm just gonna say "quiche is just pizza that went to private school" and maybe you'll get the reference lmao {i feel ashamed that i had to look it up bc i do in fact STAN chris fleming}

sorry haven't got any

Annie/Abed should have been endgame, they had the best romantic chemistry and her storyline with Jeff was uncomfortable

Can't think of one so I'm just say I love your blog! {thank uuuu}

hot chocolate fuckin sux

frankie is amazing and i love her and her actress so much (from what ive seen im only like halfway through season 6)

Jeff trans

and thank u for the music recsssss

@trishunaz @readandwritesilver @no-sweat-boba-fett @1mechanicalalligator @electricalfireflies

[ezriadestiel]

It’s been a month since 15.18 aired and I don’t know how time flew. I still keep thinking about the confession and get emotional. Destiel went canon, which was surreal. I mean for all the clowning and living in destiel trash can, this is big deal. Monumental for the best slow burn ship. I’ve never posted anything regarding the ending because I just don’t know what to say other than the sadness of my favorite show ended.

There were/are emotions running high for what destiel represents and also for Eileen. As someone who is not skilled in writing, I really need to document my emotional attachment to this show and even then,I know I’ll fall short on what I want to say. I have to try for my sanity.

The way 15.18 ended with a love confession from a millennial old multi wavelength celestial being was the most beautiful ending of how much he’s changed (character growth). How much his love for Dean changed him that he was happy to sacrifice himself to save the love of his life and to help save the world. It was absolutely wonderful and an emotional goodbye. Misha did justice to Cas. We all know no one dies in the show so I was here waiting in the hopes he's going to be back, mostly by Dean of course. Oh how I was mistaken. 

I can accept 15.19 as to tie up to what happened to Chuck and Jack and that the brothers are now free from Chucks strings. All that's left was to find a way to bring Cas back or Jack did when he brought back everyone and even Eileen. So it makes sense for 15.20 to even exist.

My issue with the finale was, well, everything. 

Not talking about what happened in the bunker to Billie and Cas. 

*Sam mentions Cas*, 

Dean: yeah it hurts but that's life, gonna move on and make sure his sacrifice wasn't a waste. 

Are y'all kidding me? See, I wouldn't have been this mad if Dean wasn't acting like a widower and suicidal in S13 until Cas returned. But he did. He drank and was messed up and angry every time something happened to Cas. So this is way out of character for Dean and even Jensen mentioned he felt the ending was wrong. 

Brushing off Cas’ sacrifice by Dean and his whole reaction at the mention of Cas was not ok at all. Especially when there was a love confession made. 

Destiel went canon after queer baiting for 12 years and hinting Dean bi and him confessing how he wanted to experience certain things for the first time. Then take a 180 and throw it all out the window. All of Dean’s character growth.

I have no issue with the brothers, but I do have issue with the level of codependency. Dean was always scared of Sam leaving but that changed over time because of Cas (yes, that's how I always thought and will). 

He's in heaven. Again *Bobby mentions Cas*. 

Dean: *small smile* That’s it. Make me wonder if he has selective memory loss that, that is all the reaction we got after 15.18. So yeah, I have issue with the finale.

Im not asking a love confession from Dean. I know Dean loved Cas, since it doesn't make sense for his behavior whenever something happens to Cas. Dean is known for how little he thinks of himself and hearing Cas confession is just a shock given their circumstances. I can understand that.

I have issue that Dean chose to drive all the while in heaven’s timeline until Sam joined him, because Cas helped to rebuild heaven like he wished all the years ago and his baby and its ‘almost’ perfect. No asking Cas or Jack, like who freaking cares anyways? not Dean who now knows that Cas loved him. More than a brother or what's the point of Bobby even mention that.

I don't have issue with the brothers reuniting. But making Dean drive all that time and Dean’s heaven is complete only with Sam, the full circle made sense in S1-3 that's where the issue lies. 

They're not just the two anymore. Family doesn't end with blood is the main theme. They are not alone, Jody, donna, bobby, Charlie,Ellen, Cas, Jack, Claire are all their family and in ‘Lebanon’ Dean was proud, he has a family. Then they strip all that and back to just brothers. Thats not character growth. That’s forcing something that the characters have grew out and evolved and it was just that, forced.

On Sam’s part to blur “Eileen”, the character loved by all, a hunter who has hearing disability and strong willed was not even there with them. 

Cas has been a huge part of their life and all their fights and an integral part of the show, literally saving it and he didn't even get a proper acknowledgement and I have issue with that. 

To me the finale felt incomplete and I kept waiting for the end. When it was over I felt incomplete and unsatisfied. To think that it’s mainly Cas not being there says a lot as much as the writers and network people thought otherwise. I honestly wonder these people not realize how important Cas’ presence is to the show? No matter what Misha said, that he was happy about his ending. I don’t feel the same way. I’m not faulting his sacrifice or his performance. It never even discussed is what makes me mad given 12 years of teasing. But why make destiel canon and ignore Cas and his sacrifice and mainly the reason why he did that.

So yes, I’m disappointed about the ending. To blame the pandemic is just an excuse. To think that Dean can be happy only in heaven is another reason. Why can’t they all get a happy ending? Why does Dean have to die? Doesn’t he deserve a life when he never even had a childhood? Why did the writers think that tragedy makes a good story? It backfired anyway. I feel they never even wanted team free will reunite and give that long overdue beach vacation. It’s just incomplete.

[autisticbee]

I know ppl think this is silly or w/e but Dean has been coded as bi since s1. Cas certainly plays a big part in Dean's bi coding but he's far from the only part in it. Dean has ~ambiguously flirted with a few men, his being flustered when Aaron flirted with him, his strong homoerotic friendships with men, his fanboy obsession with dr. sexy, his excitement over his dude best friend dressing up as a cowboy

There's other stuff but my point is Dean has been coded as a repressed bisexual from the /start/

So you can imagine how fcking tiring the dean is homophobic jokes have gotten especially when bi dean fans are still hurting over it not getting canonized. I never thought it would but it still frcking hurts especially since I realized I was bi after getting into s.pn years ago & for the first few years had to repress it myself

"It's just a fictional character" yea and representation and who we see ourselves in matters, to act like fiction shouldn't matter is a load of bs & stories are designed for us to get emotionally attached to them and/or the characters