#dean and chuck

[cascigarette]

your father who is god who is your father

[soft-pine]

spn20rewatch: 2.13 houses of the holy // cn brief discussion of child abuse and catholicism, brief finale mention

hello the concept of angels - and michael specifically! my god does this episode slap when taken in context of the following seasons.

also just a note, but priests are mandated reporters of child abuse in rhode island so FUCK YOU father gregory! but a catholic priest being secretive and shitty about child abuse and therefore causing even more people to be harmed, what else is new.

but anyway, something that has fascinated me for a long time is the parallel between gloria seeing the spirit for father gregory and dean encountering cas in 4.01.

i did a thread on this on twitter with actual video comparisons a while ago. but basically, the physical similarity follows a very similar pattern. there's static and electricity crackling. the tv turns itself back on after they both turn it off. the room begins to shake, items fall and break. they're both terrified. dean, of course, experiences much of this twice (in the gas station and hotel room).

even the first appearance of father gregory and cas in the barn are similar - a dark figure walking through a doorway, haloed by light.

but the messaging they both receive is also deeply similar. god willed it because they have a task to do.

GLORIA: Because it was God's will.... . But what I did was very important. I helped him smite an evil man.

//

CASTIEL: Because God commanded it. Because we have work for you.

and what does god (or father gregory) use as motivation for this task? guilt. father gregory reaches out to people he describes as needing "redemption."

GLORIA: I was chosen. For redemption.

and what does cas see in dean the moment he meets him?

CASTIEL: What's the matter? You don't think you deserve to be saved?

but of course in both these cases neither gloria nor dean are being given real redemption (whether they need it or not), their bodies are still being manipulated and used by beings with enough power to be controlling and not enough principle to recognize what they're doing is wrong.

and the parallels don't stop there. dean's speech to sam in 2.13 is echoed again in 4.02

2.13

DEAN: Exactly. With our own eyes. That's hard proof, okay? But in all this time I have never seen anything that looks like an angel. And don't you think that if they existed that we would have crossed paths with them? Or at least know someone that crossed paths with them?

4.02

DEAN: Don't you think that if angels were real, that some hunter somewhere would have seen one... at some point... ever?

this episode also has one of my favorite dean speeches!

DEAN: There's no higher power, there's no God. I mean, there's just chaos, and violence, and random unpredictable evil that - that comes out of nowhere and rips you to shreds.

i hold very dearly in my heart that dean is an atheist because he cares so deeply about the whole world that he cannot imagine powerful beings who sit by and do nothing. i will have so much more to say on this as we encounter more of those powerful beings - and dean's rage and disappointment with them. but oh my GOD I LOVE DEAN I LOVE HIM I LOVE HIM!!! i love you most caring human being boy! i love you!

and im not a chuck won truther but damn they really did impale that guy....

[tothewheel]

chuck and dean btw

[jensensitive]

i wonder why they changed 12x18 from dean killing moloch to sam killing him, but also I bet it was just a jared and jensen thing

i really wish they would not just randomly change important elements of the story, it makes it so much harder to read coherently. Anyway this episode is sooo interesting, I haven't watched it in a while. For whatever reason I always thought the last scene where sam muses about how they're not the kind of people someone writes about dumb, considering chuck, but looking back on it, I think the whole episode is more in conversation w the idea of chuck and their lives as a story than I thought.

On first glance the whole episode seems so throwaway, but I think that's just because it's commenting so much on the idea of sam and dean (mostly dean lbr) as characters in a story. And I think the element of dean killing the god, who sees him as nothing more than meat to be sacrificed, is a fantastic fore cursor to 15x19 given that 12x19 'the future' is the next episode-- the unborn baby god that will usurp chuck's influence as author over dean, without dean having to kill him because that's not who he is, that's just who chuck wanted him to be. It's like establishing what the story of dean is-- including sleeping with random waitresses that look like his mom in an episode where we repeatedly see a picture of young dean and mary so thanks for that-- before breaking it down. Like that being the last time he sleeps with anyone in the show, and that being the last time the colt is used. Also wrt the chuck reading, it's interesting to think about how within this story, Dean sleeping with the waitress is part of the structure of the story to establish, along with the beginning with the kids in the woods all making out, the red herring when Sam posits the monster to be the god Pan, affecting people to bone until he'd eat them, instead of a man in a mask with a god on a leash. There's probably a lot more here than I had realised, like the masks worn to perpetuate generational cycles of violence. The parallel in the episode between the family and the winchesters that felt so heavy handed at first looks less stale when you see it as less a genuine commentary on sam and dean's lives and more chuck himself's heavy handed writing a la 15x05, but either way it's an interesting episode.

[strawlessandbraless]

Kinda hilarious that this was all Chuck’s fault

Like, he never intended to keep bringing back the angel with a crack in his chassis, but any time Cas died, Dean would become inconsolable and go entirely off script

So Chuck had no choice but to resurrect the angel in order to get Dean to play his role

Their love is what foiled God’s plan, in every way that matters

[fandom-addict404]

What casual fans think SPN is about: fighting monsters

What real fans think SPN is about: free will and making your life yours

[jesterofalltrades]

Every now and then I think about how the fandom used to call Cas gods favorite angel then in the last season it was relived that Chuck actually hated Cas but kept having to bring him back because Dean was too depressed to go along with the story without him.

And the writers want us to think that Dean isn’t in gay love with Cas.

[alfalfapie]

my new Destiel theory: Dean couldn't say I love you not because of his own denial of the fact but because Chuck refused to write it like Chuck's weird psycho-sexual obsession with Dean made him so twisted that rather than allow his character to follow a natural arc that the character itself wanted to follow (see s8 rewrite of "I love you" into "I need you"), he just kept dodging it through increasingly ridiculous and pathetic ploys. he couldn't bear to watch Dean choose free will (Cas) over his heavenly ordained plan, so he just kept fucking with their relationship (see every divorce/widower arc, and all the other will they/won't they shit). really puts Cas's "What's real? We are." into context. like they are, in fact, the only real thing, despite Chuck's attempts to dismantle their relationship.

[bucky-bucky-bucky-bucky]

I saw this post and had to make one for Destiel

[blackmetalbats]

silly little supernatural people love these thingies so i made a few last one is a little treat mostly for me because i love them lol

[smollkittykat]

"You guys, you're not in this story." God said.

"Yeah, well. We're making it up as we go." Castiel replied.

And hate grew within God towards the angel. It was made to follow each and every one of his orders. This, this childish defiance, it's for humans.

God looked towards the Michael sword next to the angel, and the human looked at the angel like it was something worth being worshipped.

It wasn't. And the hate within God festered as his gaze shifted back to Castiel.

What a broken thing.

[sunflowernovak]

and here are the gays

[angelsdean]

"You're my guys....Those other toys, they don’t…spark joy."

tshirts, stickers, & things of select stills

[reallyunluckyrunaway]

Supernatural text post

Daddy issues and friendship edition... (with a little destiel in there too).

[strawlessandbraless]

*Cas blatantly checking out Dean* nice work 👍

[bubbles-is-hardcore]

What do you mean the only reason God brought Castiel back to life was because Dean was too depressed to continue on his hero’s journey?!

What do you mean Dean’s despair for his lost love that was forbidden by fate and God himself is what forced God’s begrudging hand to raise his son from the dead?!

What do you mean Dean’s love rivals that of God so much it’s not even comparable?!

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ?!?!