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gwenllian-in-the-abbey · 1 year ago

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There's this weird thing going on Reddit right now where people are claiming that legally, Rhaenyra children are not bastards. And I was wondering if you agree or disagree. I think that people are just making up their own canon lore at this point.

Hi anon,

I think what gets kind of muddled in this discussion is what "legally" means in the context. Generally speaking, children born within wedlock are considered legitimate until proven otherwise. Now in the medieval world, it's not like you were issued a birth certificate that you could whip out and say see, it says right here who the father is! There were no DNA tests, it was all a matter of word, and by and large a woman's virtue was her word, and it was what kept her and her children protected within the framework of medieval marriage. But the reason why bastardy matters in this context is also important. It's not like Rhaenyra is trying to collect child support here, nor is she a common merchant's wife whose husband has decided just to roll with it. She's the heir to the throne and the parentage of her children is a matter of inheritance and dynastic succession, so it's not a situation where a legal loophole is particularly helpful as a gotcha. There is not at this point in history a comprehensive codified law that clearly defines what these terms mean and defines the rights and obligations of parents and children legitimate and illegitimate, mostly you have combinations of precedent, tradition, oath, and a healthy dose of might makes right.

(I saw another reply to this question in which the responded basically goes, "free yourself from the shackles of this construct! Marriage isn't real it's an oppressive institution and the idea of bastardy is made up, so let it go," and while it's true that marriage, legitimacy, etc. are all social constructs and not absolute states of being, they started off as having a functional purpose within a certain social framework. And this is a basic problem a lot of people have with George's world, it's not that we have to have the views of a 12th century French peasant, or that everything has to be historically accurate, but George chose the medieval world as a setting for a reason, and it's not just an aesthetic one. Characters in even a quasi-historical setting have to act within the constraints of that setting. We have to understand that people don't know what they don't know. The medieval world doesn't have any framework for the introduction of feminist ideals. Westeros hasn't even had a Christine de Pizan yet. You couldn't walk up to a medieval peasant woman and say "marriage is a tool of patriarchal oppression and bastardy is a social construct," they'd look at you like you had two heads. And so we have to acknowledge that you can't simply start dismantling existing social structures if the framework doesn't exist to replace them with something better that offers more protections for a broader group of people, and at this point it definitely doesn't. Making an exception for one very privileged woman does not mean progress for all women, instead it often means destabilization of the flawed system that does exist, and even more violence against those less powerful in order to enforce the exceptional status).

So from a medieval point of view, marriage was pretty much a non-negotiable for a woman. And women weren't simply getting married because they were pressured into it by their families or because their fathers were opportunistic assholes, they got married because unmarried women had no legal status or standing. In most places they could not sign contracts or own land. A woman could join the church or get married (or become a prostitute, but it's not like sex workers had freedoms or protections either). Divorce wasn't a thing, and annulment was hard to get and usually available only as a tool for men to set aside their wives. So, for all intents and purposes, once you were married, that was generally it, you were stuck for life (the upside is that widows did get a lot more freedom, so marrying an older guy and waiting it out was not a bad option sometimes, all things considered). But what marriage did provide was assurance that you and your children would be protected and provided for. Marriage was a practical agreement, involving dowries, inheritances, and alliances sealed in blood. And this is one of the reasons why bastards could not inherit. Inheritance for once's children was one of the few perks of a marriage for a woman (this is, incidentally, why Alicent is so pressed about her children being effectively disinherited. There is NO reason for her, as an eligible maiden of good standing, to marry a man who will not provide for her sons, king or not). And of course, a man's bastards are obvious and are disqualified from inheriting (setting aside legitimization because it is not nearly the easy out that people think it is). You can't really pass them off as legitimate because your wife clearly knows which children she gave birth to, whereas a man might be told he is the father of a child when that child's father is in fact someone else.

In a dynastic marriage, all of this becomes even more important. Marriages were made as alliances and to strengthen the ties between kingdoms or houses. A child seals the marriage agreement by binding two bloodlines and creating kinship bonds that will last beyond the current generation. Those kinship bonds can ensure peace between kingdoms at war, trade agreements, and military aid. Passing a bastard off as trueborn breaks that agreement; it violates the very principle by which the agreement was made. And in this context, it doesn't actually matter if the father claims the children as his, because in a dynastic marriage inheritance is not just a personal matter, it's a matter of the state. The truth matters to a great many people, more than just the immediate family. A lie doesn't become the truth simply because the liar isn't caught, and there's no statute of limitations or court ruling that will ever put the matter to rest for good. Passing off a bastard as trueborn destabilizes the succession and breaks the dynastic bonds that the marriage was meant to establish. When the bastard heir in question attempts to take the throne, it won't be a smooth transition.

So what does it mean that Laenor and Corlys agree to pass Rhaenyra's children off as trueborn? It means that their bastardy cannot be proven at the moment insofar as the legal father, Rhaenyra's husband, is playing along and covering for Rhaenyra, and Viserys is backing them up by giving this his "legal" stamp of approval. But again, our view that it's no one else's business but Laenor and Rhaenyra's and that Viserys "legalized" their status is very modern. Jaehaeyrs and Alysanne were not considered married in the eyes of the Westerosi until they'd had a bedding ceremony, that is, the consummation of their marriage was witnessed. Royal marriages and the children that come from them are a public matter because the succession affects everyone in the realm. Laenor, Corlys, and Viserys can protect those children in the short term, but Laenor and Corlys and Viserys won't live forever, and they could withdraw their support for those children and renounce them as bastards at any time. Harwin could admit to fathering them, Rhaenyra and Harwin could get caught in the act, or someone else close to them might confess. Sure right now the black faction are all one big happy family, but 20 years down the line when bastard Jace takes the throne over trueborn Aegon III? There are multiple people in the family who could confess to knowledge of the bastardy, including Aegon III himself. The bastardy is too obvious and there are too many legitimate heirs of both house Targaryen and house Velaryon getting pushed aside in favor of bastard born children for it to be an issue that simply disappears because Rhaenyra and Laenor say so.

So "legal bastardy" is a pretty meaningless concept when it comes to royal succession because it's not a matter that's going to be settled by some neutral third party in a court of law. What matters in the long run is not whether or not Laenor claimed the kids, what matters is whether or not the situation is questionable enough that people with the power to challenge it might challenge it. And we see even within the actual narrative of the Dance that this is indeed the case. There is already a situation brewing with the other branches of the Velaryon family who are rightfully pretty pissed to see their ancestral seat pass to someone with no blood ties to the family (and as an aside, people will say Vaemond was self-serving, and of course he was, but that doesn't make him wrong, and maybe Baela or Rhaena should have inherited instead, but neither they nor their father were pressing their claims because they were backing up the bastard claimants, so was Vaemond supposed to do that for them?). And yes the king and Rhaenyra can cry treason and they can kill Vaemond and cut out tongues, but using force to silence people for telling the objective truth is by definition tyranny, and that's exactly the sort of situation that would get the nobility nervous. Because if Rhaenyra has to silence people already and she's not even queen yet, what will Jace have to do when he takes the throne? That's the real problem, not the "legal" status of Jace and his brothers, but the practical ramifications of hiding the truth.

#asks #the strong boys #hotd discourse #bastardy #team green #anti team black

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butchpeace · 5 months ago

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hi i'm too scared to do this off anon since i'm still publicly trans so. i just needed some place to get this off my chest because its been festering for almost a decade

i'm de-transitioning. i found out i was intersex as a teenager after years of considering myself "transmasc" because i didn't understand why my body was the way it was. i came out as trans at age 12 because i didn't understand what was wrong with me or why other girls made fun of me for looking "like a boy." i just tried to fit into the boy mold because it's what i was always told, even though there was an F on my birth certificate

i now realize i'm an intersex lesbian. while i don't fit the perfect mold of boy/girl, i'm just me. my experiences line up with being a woman, and i was born a girl. i'm just me and that's cool.

i've been in trans spaces since i was 12. the misogyny in these spaces is completely fucking vile. trans men are now being called "gentle queers" or "tender queers" because they try to say that exposing random people to sex acts is bad. explaining that some people can go to jail for having testosterone "DIY" or get fined is just trans men being "pussies," and they're not confident in their transness like their opposites. it's all packaged under them really being men now so they should shut up, and trying to combat it is "trans misogyny." you can't speak about an experience you've had your entire life without being told by a man that you don't Really know what you're talking about.

like you don't think that trans man is a "gentle queer," you want to misgender and call him a woman. on twitter i've been called a cunt, been given rape threats, and more by trans "women" because i said that a 35 year old trans "woman" was preying on younger trans "women." he was going after people who were 18, having them move in with him, and keeping it under the label of "age gap BDSM." i just sat there and sucked it up because i didn't want to be trans misogynistic because those people have power. they create fear.

"trans misogyny" is the most fucking bullshit term i've heard in my entire life. it isn't misogyny because there isn't centuries of oppression and violence behind it. any criticism towards a trans woman or their behavior is trans misogyny.

they grew up male and those who didn't never stopped benefiting from the patriarchy. they take up space, argue, and make women afraid like men. they use slurs they insist on reclaiming because they grew out their hair and wear shitty makeup. they have male socialization and sexism is so ingrained into how they interact with women because they only know us as surface-level caricatures. it's like watching someone mock me like how my peers did on the school bus.

you can always fucking tell theyre men because of the way they treat you. it's exhausting. i'm trying to find spaces for intersex women but it's all just MEN. can we not have this one fucking thing? why do they want to talk about misogyny when they've never truly experienced it? i spent my entire life being coddled and told i was Really a boy because i was a physically masculine girl, even though that wasn't who i really was. years of trying IUDs as a *14 year old* and doctors trying to "fix me" and getting called a bitch online for fearing for someone's safety is real fucking misogyny.

i'm tired.

feel free to ignore this. your blog seemed like a safe place to vomit all this out. your blog is like a breath of fresh air, thank you for what you do. hopefully intersex little girls like me one day won't be told they're too boyish to be a girl and face sterilization. Xx

Thanks for sharing your story! I’m so happy that you’ve accepted yourself and that you’re distancing yourself from that “community” ❤️

It really is misogynistic as hell, and it 1000% follows the age old pattern of male oppression of women. Personally I think it’s probably worse than misogyny in the general population, because I don’t think it’s possible for a man to “identify” as a woman without being a total misogynist.

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aedislumen · 1 month ago

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Hello~ Do you know anything or have any resources about Sophie Dupont (Carnot's wife). I would like to know more about her, such as her personality, appearance, stories and so on. Thank you~

Let me start by saying that I'm very thankful to you for asking me this question. Indeed, since I began studying Carnot's life more thoroughly, I have been intrigued to know more about his wife: a modest, yet talented woman, whose loyalty and goodness were of fundamental support for Lazare throughout his whole life.

This post is going to be a bit incomplete, though; or rather, not how I planned to write it in the first place. There are two sources, quite useful to shed light both on Sophie's personality and certain biographical details, that are currently inaccessible to me; these being her letters to Madame de Salaignac and the more recent work Les dames Carnot de 1764 à 1789. So, I limited myself to quote and translate every document or note I could find about her, hoping to potentially refine my research in the future.

Marie-Jacqueline-Sophie-Joseph Dupont de Moringhem - formerly de Lierdt - was born in Saint-Omer on 22 July 1764 and baptised on the following day in the parish of Saint-Sépulcre, as stated on her birth certificate:

Source: Archives Pas-de-Calais, Etat Civil, registres paroissiaux (de 1553 à 1792), paroisse de Saint-Sépulcre (vue 1515).

Le vingt-trois Juillet mille-sept-cent-soixante-quatre, je soussigné curé de cette paroisse ai baptisé Marie Jacqueline Sophie Joseph née la veille du légitime marriage du Sieur Jacques Antoine Léonard Dupont et Demoiselle Marianne Françoise Joseph Sevault ont été parrain et marraine le Sieur Jacques François Sevault grand-père maternel de l'enfant et Dame Marie Joseph Dalongeville épouse du Sieur Michel Senigen directeur des postes de la ville d'Aire arrière grande-tante maternelle de l'enfant. Soussigné avec le père Sevault, Dupont, Dalongeville. Hermel curé de Saint-Sépulcre

EN: on the 23th of July 1764, I, the undersigned, curate of this parish, baptised Marie Jacqueline Sophie Joseph, born the day before of legitimate marriage of Sieur Jacques Antoine Léonard Dupont and Demoiselle Marianne Françoise Joseph Sevault; the godfather and godmother were Sieur Jacques François Sevault, the child's maternal grandfather, and Dame Marie Joseph Dalongeville, the child's maternal great-great-aunt and wife of Monsieur Michel Senigen, postmaster director in the city of Aire. Signed with the father, Sevault, Dupont, Dalongeville, Hermel, curate of Saint-Sépulcre.

Acquaintance between the Carnot and Dupont families happened through Sophie's father and Lazare's younger brother, Claude-Marie Carnot de Feulint.

It's not clear when they exactly met, but surely after the latter was garrisoned in Saint-Omer in 1788; we know the place though: the salon of Madame Ballard d'Invillier. [1] There, not only did Feulint met Jacques-Antoine Dupont de Lierdt, - somebody who shared the former's view regarding the socio-political situation of France of that time - but also his three daughters: Sophie, Adélaïde and Gaëtane, who, according to Hippolyte's memoirs on Lazare Carnot, “distinguished themselves for their beauty and education��. [2] Adélaïde caught the attention of Claude-Marie, who in return must have made quite an impression on her, given his charming personality. [3] The two eventually married on 11 May 1790 and Lazare was one of the witnesses; it's possible that he met Sophie there, if they haven't already before during some family reunions.

In September 1790 Lazare Carnot was seriously injured in one leg while working at the sluices in Asfeld; his younger brother insisted on bringing him to Saint-Omer to facilitate his recovery and looking after him. Actually, those who showed themselves eager to do that were Feulint’s wife Adélaïde and sister-in-law Sophie. It's during this fairly long period of recovery that the latter and Lazare came to know each other better, becoming intimate. Indeed, the two spent several hours together every day: In order to distract him, Sophie entertained Lazare playing the piano - she was indeed an excellent pianist -; she also wrote music for his poems and learnt to play his favourite game, trictrac. In return, Lazare wrote poetry specifically for her. [4] As expected from these premises, it didn't take much for the two to fall in love and some months later the marriage between Sophie Dupont and Lazare Carnot was celebrated in the church of Salperwick. Here's the certificate of their union:

Source: Archives Pas-de-Calais, Etat Civil, registres paroissiaux (de 1553 à 1792), paroisse de Salperwick (vue 681).

Le dix-sept de mai mille sept cent quatre-vingt onze après la publication des trois bans du futur mariage, faites aux messes paroissiales de la paroisse de St. Denis en la ville de St-Omer comme il nous a été certifié par le certificat du Sieur Jean Baptiste Rose curé de la susdite paroisse de St. Denis; entre le Sieur Lazare Nicolas Marguerite Carnot capitaine au Corps Royal du Génie âgé de trente-huit ans, fils majeur du Sieur Claude Carnot et de Dame Marguerite Pothier natif de la paroisse de Nolay en Bourgogne diocèse d’Autun présentement habitant de celle de St-Denis à St-Omer d’une part; et Demoiselle Marie Jacqueline Sophie Joseph Dupont agée de vingt-six ans fille du Sieur Jacques Antoine Léonard et de Dame Marie Anne Françoise Joseph Sevault, native de la paroisse de St-Sépulcre présentement de celle de St-Denis à St-Omer d’autre part, je soussigné prêtre curé de cette paroisse, ai reçu en cette église le mutuel consentement de mariage des susdites parties, et leur ai donné la bénédiction nuptiale du consentement et avec la permission du Sieur Rose curé de la susdite paroisse de St-Denis, donné par écrit qui m’est resté entre les mains en date du seize de ce mois était signé J. B. Rose curé de St-Denis qui atteste avoir fait les susdites publications de bans et qu’il ne s’est trouvé aucun empêchement ni opposition; en présence dudit Jacques Antoine Léonard Dupont père de la contractante ; de Sébastien Falluon Séneville oncle à la contractante, de Claude Marie Carnot capitain au Corps Royal du Génie frère du contractant, d’Albert Louis Valentin Taviel, officier au Corps Royal d’Artillerie amis de contractants, tous quatre témoins à ce requis et nous ont attestés ce que dessus sur le domicile, l'âge, la qualité et la liberté desdites parties et ont signés avec l’époux et l’épouse de ce par moi, curé soussigné interpellé. [Signé] L.N.M. Carnot, Dupont, M.J.S.J. Dupont, C.M. Carnot, Falluon Seneville, Taviel, Laurent curé de Salperwick

EN: On the 17th of May 1791, after the publication of three banns of the future marriage, done at the parish masses of the parish of St-Denis in the city of St-Omer, as it was certified to us by the certificate of Jean Baptiste Rose, curate of the aforementioned parish of St-Denis; between Sieur Lazare Nicolas Marguerite Carnot captain in the Corps Royal du Génie, aged thirty-eight, eldest son of Sieur Claude Carnot et Dame Marguerite Pothier, born in the parish of Nolay in Burgundy, diocese of Autun, currently living in that of St-Denis in St-Omer on one part; and Demoiselle Marie Jacqueline Sophie Joseph Dupont, aged twenty-six, daughter of Sieur Jacques Antoine Léonard and of Dame Marie Anne Françoise Joseph Sevault, born in the parish of St-Sépulcre, currently living in that of St-Denis in St-Omer on the other part, I, the undersigned, curate priest of this parish, received in this church the mutual consent of marriage of the aforementioned parties, and gave them the nuptial blessing of consent and with the written permission of Sieur Rose curate of the aforementioned parish of St-Denis, put in my hands on the 16th of this month was signed J.B. Rose curate of St-Denis, who attests to have done the aforementioned banns publications and found neither impediment nor opposition; in the presence of said Jacques Antoine Léonard Dupont father of the contracting party; of de Sébastien Falluon Séneville uncle of the contracting party, of Claude Marie Carnot captain in the Corps Royal du Génie brother of the [other] contracting party, of Albert Louis Valentin Taviel, officer in the Corps Royal d’Artillerie, friends of both contracting parties, all four being witness to this request and they attested to us what above on the domicile, age, quality and freedom of said contracting parties and signed with the spouse and bride of this by me, the undersigned curate interpellated.[Signed] L.N.M. Carnot, Dupont, M.J.S.J. Dupont, C.M. Carnot, Falluon Seneville, Taviel, Laurent curate of Salperwick

According to Jean and Nicole Dhombres [5], Carnot devoted the following poem, titled Le fils de Vénus [6], to his wife on the very day of their marriage. It’s a reference to Cupid, indeed the son of Venus; the poem is thus a tribute to the love felt for Sophie:

Qui définira cet enfant , Aussi vieux que le monde ? Marmot dont l’empire comprend Les cieux, la terre et l’onde ; Qui les yeux couverts d’un bandeau, Lit dans nos coeurs, tient le flambeau, Qui consume et féconde?

Who will define this child As old as the world? Young boy, whose empire includes The heavens, the earth and the waves; Whose eyes, covered with a blindfold, Read in our hearts, hold the torch, Who consumes and fecundates?

C’est lui que célébrait Sapho, Qu’on adorait à Cnide ; Qui desséchait la nymphe Echo, Brûlait la Néréide, Désarmait le dieu de l’enfer, En taureau changeait Jupiter, Faisait filer Alcide.

It is he, who Sapho celebrated, Who is adored in Cnidus; Who parched the nymph Echo, Burned the Nereid, Disarmed the god of hell, Turned Jupiter into a bull, Made Alcide flee.

Qui rend si fier, qui rend si doux, Si tendre, si coquette ; Si confiant et si jaloux, Si vive et si discrète : Qui cède tout pour tout gagner, Qui se soumet pour mieux régner ; Qu’on fuit, et qu’on regrette.

Who makes [us] so fierce, so sweet, So tender, so coquette; So confident and so jealous, So alive and so discrete: Who gives all to win, Who submits to better reign; From whom we flee, and whom we regret.

Protée aimable, doux poison, Source de mail et d’aise ; Souvent dupe et toujours fripon, Sérieuse fadaise ; Qui blesse avec des traits dorés, Brise en riant des noeuds sacrés, Nous fâche, et nous apaise.

Amiable Proteus, sweet poison, Source of ease and disease; Often deceptive and always a rascal, Serious twaddle; Who wounds with golden marks, Breaks sacred bonds with laughter, Makes us angry and soothes us.

Qui parfois émeut la pitié, Parfois bénit sa chaîne ; Tantôt ressemble à l’amitié, Et tantôt à la haine : Qui s’alimente de rigueurs, Expire au comble des faveurs : Feu céleste, ombre vaine !

Who sometimes moves pity, Sometimes blesses its chain; Sometimes resembles friendship, And sometimes hatred: Who feeds on rigour, Expires at the height of favours; Celestial fire, vain shadow!

We don’t know many specifics about the everyday life of the Carnot family after Lazare was elected to the Legislative Assembly. Something we can say is that he and his brother - a deputy too - moved to Paris and their wives followed them. They all lived together under the same roof in Rue Saint-Florentin. When the future Organizer of Victory became a member of the Committee of Public Safety, he spent most of the day either in his own office or in meetings with his colleagues, coming back home - when he could - around 6 PM to dine; a couple of hours later he was already back at the Tuileries. [7]

A few days before the fateful 9 Thermidor, on 19 July 1794 Sophie gave birth to a boy. Considering that the couple had a child born dead in 1793, this event must have been truly joyful and heartwarming. It’s on this occasion that Lazare wrote another poem to his wife, Souhaits pour un nouveau né, “Wishes for a newborn” if we want to translate it in English. Unfortunately, the child died just a year later, on 10 August 1795. This was a severe blow for Lazare, but especially Sophie, who, because of it, fell into a severe depression. [8] In order to distract her and improve her state of mind, the former accompanied her to various parties that Director Paul Barras arranged at the Luxembourg Palace. There, Sophie met someone who she would soon have formed a strong friendship with: Joséphine Beauharnais. [9]

The years between 1795 and 1797 ended up being quite troublesome for Carnot, given his position of Director and the constant clashes, let alone divergences of opinion he had with his colleagues; the same, however, couldn’t be said for Sophie. Indeed, she kept herself away from the insidious realm of politics, partaking in the mundane, bourgeois life the Luxembourg Palace had to offer, taking care, according to the testimony of Antoine-François Lomet, of making her house welcoming:

The wife of the Director arranged the house of her husband according to the tastes of the beau monde: tea rooms, music, glittering balls…[...] A part of Barras’ feminine protegés overflowed the Carnot family’s mansion.

A letter that Thérésa Tallien, the famous Notre-Dame de Thermidor, sent to Sophie - probably in 1796 - might suggest that the former could have been among the guests, since it shows - if not an actual friendship - at least, a polite interaction between them:

When my husband, Madame, asked Citizen Carnot to celebrate with us the anniversary of 9 Thermidor, I had reserved to myself the pleasure of asking you on my own accord. I was deprived [of the opportunity] due to the nature of the previous commitments of the citizen La Revellière, which were common to both of you. May I flatter myself, Madame, that you may deign to compensate me by spending the evening of the 12th and insist additionally with much kindness to bring the Citizen Director, Madame your sister, and her Citizen husband. [10]

(credits to @saintjustitude for the translation!)

If, at this point, Sophie seemed to have finally found peace and relief from her depression, what would have soon happened challenged her steadfastness once more: in August 1797, Carnot prompted her and their child Sadi - born in June 1796 - to go back to Saint-Omer, for the position of the Director was becoming more and more critical. His fears about a tumultuous destitution revealed themselves true when on the night between 17 and 18 Fructidor he was forced to flee from Paris and France altogether, not to fall victim of a coup d’état. Carnot was proscribed: all of his personal belongings were sequestered and sealed, as those of Sophie, until proven that her husband was serving his sentence in Cayenne; her house in Saint-Omer was at risk too. A divorce was the only way to relieve the Dupont family from this burden. It was a hard and much suffered decision, which Sophie refused to take initially; pressured both by her father and husband, though, she eventually agreed. [11] The divorce was officially approved on 17 July 1799, as stated in the 5th volume of the Gazette de nouveau tribunals:

Article 13 of the law of 19 Fructidor year 5 states that various individuals, named in said article, shall be deported without delay. That their belongings shall be sequestered, immediately after the publication of the law and that their withdrawal shall not be granted until the individual’s arrival in the place decided for the deportation. Ex-Director Carnot is one of those affected by this law. Nothing has attested his arrival to the place of the deportation yet. His wife, whose personal belongings are among those sequestered, summons her husband at his last known address. She asks for the separation of property, the selling of the objects, which constitute the part of shared possessions and its takeovers. She presents a memoir to the administration, because of the requisition. The Commissioner of Executive Power presiding over the Seine department inverveins. He claims that the summoning is null and that Citizeness Carnot has no right to ask for anything, as long as the requirement in the article 13 of the 19 Fructidor law is fulfilled. The Commissioner of Executive Power presiding over the tribunal makes a distinction. Indubitably, he says, the liquidation can only be settled administratively. But as far as property separation is concerned, only the Court has the competence to decide over the matter. He adds that her husband’s deportation is a legal reason to obtain said separation, since the wife cannot rely on marital surveillance and collaboration anymore. The Commissioner estimates, consequently, that it is time to: Receive the Commissioner near the central government, for the intervening party. Give default of appearance to Carnot. And, for benefit, since the deportation does not allow Carnot to manage and administrate the shared possessions, to declare his wife separated from him together with her own belongings. And to refer, for the liquidation, this citizeness to administrative proceedings. The Court adopts these conclusions.Sentence of 4 Messidor, Year 6. [12]

Once Sophie got her dowry back, she used it to help her husband financially abroad. Moreover, during these difficult times, she gave proof of great resolution against all the slander coming both from left and right wing journals and pamphlets towards the ex-Director and consequently herself too. She remained faithful and never disowned him. About her conduct, Carnot expressed himself as such:

[The resolution of Sophie] that exposed her to false judgements demanded her a great strength of mind. [...] [She] had to make sure no one, not even her relatives, knew the reasons behind her conduct [about the divorce] and to endure in silence the blame on her. [13]

After 18 Brumaire, with the establishment of the Consulate, the divorce was annulled.

During the period in which Carnot worked as Minister of War for Napoléon - from April to March 1800 - Sophie went back to the tranquil life she led before the Fructidor coup, taking care of her family and above all, her child. She kept cultivating her friendship with Joséphine, a relationship dating back to the Directory, proof of which is present in personal letters and favours towards the Carnot family as far as taking care of their children is concerned. Indeed, the First Consul’s wife became greatly attached to Sadi, often looking after him while his father and Napoléon were busy discussing military matters. [14]

Further information about Sophie and the life she led after Carnot resigned from his functions as Minister can be found in the correspondence between her and her friend Marie-Marguerite de Villeneuve, also known as Madame de Salaignac. Unfortunately, the file containing the letters seems to have been lost; today only a brief summary of them exists in the article Madame de Salaignac et la famille de Lazare Carnot by Louis Richon. Here, we discover that Carnot with his family eventually went back to Saint-Omer, devoting his days to science and the education of his two children. As for Sophie, she supported her husband with familial duties; she proved herself to be an attentive and affectionate mother, watching over the health and education of both Sadi and Hippolyte, the latter being born in 1801. Richon’s article only mention a single excerpt of a letter penned by Sophie, which I decided to report, because it gives a glimpse of her personality:

...Sadi n’oubli pas les complaisances qu’ont eues vos chers fils pour lui et m’en parle fréquemment, il me charge de les assurer qu’il ne les oublira [sic] jamais et les prie de vouloir bien recevoir 100 milles baisers, ce sont Madame, ses propres expressions. Il jouit d’une excelente [sic] santé, il me semble que depuis qu’il a été vacciné, elle s'améliore tous les jours, il commence à scavoir [sic] parfaitement lire, un peu écrire, une légère teinture des mathématiques qui paroit [sic] etre un de ses goûts particuliers qui tous les jours lui en fait n’aitre encorre [sic] plus le désir en voyant son papa en être occupé à tous les momens qu’il n’employe pas à l’instruire. [15]

EN: Sadi has not forgotten the compliments which your dear children addressed to him and he often talks about them with me, he entrusted me to assure them that he will never forget them and he begs them to receive one hundred thousand kisses, these are Madame, his own words. He enjoys excellent health, it seems that after the vaccination it gets better each passing day, he has started to know how to read, to write a bit, a smattering of mathematics, which seems to be one of his particular interests, that makes him eager to know more every day, by looking at his father being busy with it all the time he does not spend teaching him.

An engraving of the Carnot residence in Saint-Omer [16]

In the correspondence with Salaignac, Sophie often talks about her health issues, which probably ended up being the cause of her premature death on 6 February 1813. What follows is her death certificate, kept in the Parisian archives, section of the Etat civil reconstitués:

Extrait du Registre des Actes de Décès de l’an 1819: Sept février mille huit cent treize, neuf heure du Matin. Par devant nous Maire du huitième arrondissement de Paris, officier de l’Etat Civil, sont comparu. Gaetan François Joseph Dupont, employé, agé de quarante ans, vécut rue des moulins n° 5 deuxième arrondissement, cousin de la décédée; et François Ardon propriétaire, agé de quarante sept ans vécut rue de Touraine n° 6 septième arrondissement, ami de la décédée; Lesquels Nous ont déclaré que Marie Jacqueline Sophie Dupont, propriétaire, née à St Omer dépt du Pas de Calais vécut à Paris rue Neuve St François n°5 huitième arrondissement, spouse de Lazare Nicolas Marguerite Carnot, membre de L'Institut décédée à sondit domicile la veille à dix heures du Matin agée de quarante neuf ans. Sur le rapport d’Antoine Larguere docteur en médecine qui à constaté ledit décès Nous avons dressé le présent acte que tous les Comparus ont signé avec nous après la lecture faite. Signé Dupont, Ardon, Larguere et Bernard de Moussigneres maire [texte barré] De la rue adjointe.Délivré par nous Maire le Neuf février mil huit cent treize / rayé [illisible] Bernard de Moussigneres.

EN: Before us, mayor of the 8th arrondissement in Paris, registrar, appeared Gaetan François Joseph Dupont, employee, forty of age, residing at 5 Rue des Moulins, second arrondissement, cousin of the deceased; and François Ardon, landlord forty-seven of age residing at 6 Rue de Touraine, seventh arrondissement, friend of the deceased; who declared to us that Marie Jacqueline Dophie Dupont, landlady, born in Saint-Omer, department of Pas-de-Calais, residing in Paris at 5 Rue Neuve Saint-François, eighth arrondissement, wife of Lazare Nicolas Marguerite Carnot, member of the Institute, deceased at said domicile at ten o’clock in the morning, forty-nine of age. On the report by Antoine Larguere, doctor in medicine, who noted the aforementioned death, we have drawn up the present act, which all the bystanders signed with us after the reading. Signed Dupont, Ardon, Larguere and Bernard de Moussigneres maire [strikethrough text] from the adjoining street. Issued by us, the Mayor, on the ninth of February one thousand eight hundred thirteen / deleted [unreadable] Bernard de Moussigneres.

On the topic of Sophie’s death, there’s also the following letter that Carnot wrote to Joséphine [17], notifying her of the sad event. Indeed, despite the altercations between Napoléon and Carnot following the latter’s resignation, the friendships between their wives remained unchanged:

A l’Imperatrice Joséphine, 6 février 1813. Madame, Je viens de perdre la plus vertueuse des épouses et mes enfants la plus tendre des mères. La mort m’a enlevé celle qui, depuis vingt et un ans, partageait mes longues traverses et mes instants de bonheur. Jusqu’à son dernier moment, elle a conservé la reconnaissance des bontés dont Votre Majesté l’honora : je dois à sa mémoire le soin de la rappeler encore une fois aux sentiments d’affection qui vous caractérisent et qui sont si précieux pour toute âme sensible. Cette digne compagne m’a laissé deux gages de sa tendresse : l’un Sadi, que Votre Majesté a presque vu naître, et qu’elle a comblé d’amitiés dans son enfance, est assez grand âgé pour comprendre toute l’étendue de la perte qu’il vient de faire, il est élève de l’Ecole polytechnique ; l’autre, Hippolyte, est âgé de onze ans. Je suis avec respect, de Votre Majesté, le très humble et obéissant serviteur, Carnot Paris, rue Neuve Saint-François, n°5, au Marais.

EN: To Empress Joséphine, 6 February 1813. Madame, I have just lost the most virtuous of spouses and my children the most tender of mothers. Death has deprived me of the one with whom for twenty-one years I shared adversities and moments of happiness. Until her last moment, she kept the gratitude of all the good deeds with which Your Majesty honored her: I owe to her memory the care of reminding you one more time to the feelings of affection, which characterise you both and which are so precious to every sensitive soul. This worthy partner [of mine] has left me with two proofs of her tenderness: one, Sadi, whom Your Majesty almost saw being born and whom you have loaded with friendly kindnesses during his childhood, is old enough to understand the importance of the loss that he has just suffered; he is a student at the Ecole Polytechnique; the other, Hippolyte is eleven years old. I am, with respect, of Your Majesty the most humble and obedient servant. Carnot. Paris, 5, Rue Neuve Saint-François, Marais.

Until now, I’ve only listed some biographical details and documents, from which it’s possible to get an idea of Sophie’s personality; but what about her appearance? There are only three depictions of her, one being a physionotrace made on the occasion of her marriage and the other two for which both author and date are still unknown.

Physionotrace of 1791 [18]

The first picture comes from geneanet.org, the other one can be found in Evelyne Lejour’s master thesis Famille Carnot: Des mémoires en héritage [19]. Lejour quotes Les dames Carnot as original source for the portrait; given that said booklet is written by a descendant of Lazare, it’s possible for said portrait to come directly from the family archives and consequently to be the one made by Boilly in 1813 that Marcel Reinhard mentions in the second volume of his work. [20]

As stated in the beginning, the few sources I managed to find clearly aren’t enough to draft a complete portrayal of Sophie; nonetheless, I believe there’s no mistake in saying that she was a gentle, good-mannered woman, who always supported and sided with her husband even during the most critical moments of his career. Such loyalty and devotion weren’t exactly the norm in a time in which marriages weren’t often based on genuine feelings of love and affections between the two parties. The same can be said for the relationship with her two children: she took great care of them, making sure they were always in good health and that they committed themselves to their studies diligently.

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I wish to thank @mathildeaquisexta for helping with the translation of the documents and for her invaluable, constant support and encouragement.

References

Marcel Reinhard, Le Grand Carnot, vol. 1 (1950)

Marcel Reinhard, Le Grand Carnot, vol. 2 (1952)

Jean & Nicole Dhombres, Lazare Carnot (1998) Centenaire de Lazare Carnot, notes et documents inédits publiés par la Sabretache (1923)

Evelyne Lejour, Famille Carnot: Des mémoires en héritage (2016)

Louis Richon, Madame de Salaignac et la famille de Lazare Carnot, Annales historiques de la Révolution française Année 1963 n° 174 pp. 479-495

Rémi Dalisson, Hippolyte Carnot 1801-1888 la liberté, école, la République (2011), ch. Héritage paternel et éducation

Gazette de nouveaux tribunaux, Tome Quinzième, an VI de la République (1797-1798)

Hippolyte Carnot, Mémoires sur Carnot par son fils vol. 1 (1861)

Lazare Carnot, Opuscules poétiques du général L.-N.-M. Carnot (1820)

Sadi Carnot, Réflections sur la puissance motrice du feu, Notice biographique sur Sadi Carnot par Hippolyte Carnot (1878)

Notes

[1] Dhombres, p. 238 [2] H. Carnot, Mémoires vol. 1, p. 168 [3] Both Reinhard and Dhombres remark on Feulint’s charming personality; the former at p. 73 of Le Grand Carnot vol. 1 and the latter at page 239 of their Carnot biography. [4] Lazare’s recovery is described with detail in Hippolyte’s Mémoirs vol.1 (p. 168), in Reinhard’s Le Grand Carnot vol.1 (p. 181) and in Dhombres’ Lazare Carnot (p. 239) [5] Dhombres, p. 240 [6] L. Carnot, Opuscules Poétiques, p. 293 [7] Dhombres, p. 372 [8] Dalisson, note 2 [9] Dhombres, p. 428 [10] For Lomet’s testimony: Reinhard, vol. 2 (p.274-275). As for Thérésa’s letter, see note 9 for ch. 2 Directeur de la République [11] Dhombres, p. 481 [12] Gazette de nouveaux tribunaux, p. 172 [13] Dhombres, p. 482 [14] Examples of the friendship between Joséphine and the Carnot family and the favours she did can be found in La Sabretache (p. 72). More in specific, about the closeness between her and Sadi, Hippolyte Carnot reports some episodes in his Notice biographique sur Sadi Carnot, a section in Sadi’s Réflections sur la puissance motrice du feu (p. 72) [15] Richon, p. 492. Sections about Sophie are at p. 480 and between 492-493. [16] The picture comes from Dalisson’s work [17] La Sabretache, p. 107 [18] La Sabretache, p. 80 [19] Lejour, p. 94 [20] Reinhard, vol. 2, p. 350

#sophie dupont #lazare carnot #sadi carnot #hippolyte carnot #josephine beauharnais #theresa cabarrus #frev #french revolution #napoleonic era #my posts #queue

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bitter-panacea · 8 months ago

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DOFUS MAG : Sur les traces de Goultard

My thoughts on the article about Goultard in the 20th anniversary Dofus Mag

FIRST OF ALL!!

We were given multiple dates. Some new, and some changed?

DATE OF BIRTH: 26th of Descendre -1121

This was sort of a surprise to the Goultard lore aficionados. As the birth certificate in Goultard Bazar states he was born on the 3rd day of the 7th moon. So, Goultard's date of birth was previously thought by many to be on the 3rd of the 7th month, Jullier. Though this date seemed odd, as this story takes place when Iop visits Cabotine, only three days after Goultard's birth, and it's snowing heavily outside. I don't know much about Gisgoul's weather but I doubt there'd be snow in Jullier.

As for the year... I'm honestly not sure where this information was from (please inform me if you know!!!) but it was commonly agreed upon that Goultard was born in -1111...

Another important date! Goultard first proves himself by beating a Taur in -1113, at 8 years old! So young... Little baby....

And another one! Goultard meets and fights Katar for the first time, and is possesseed by the symbiote, in -1091.

Making him 30 years old at that time. That's about how old I imagined him to be. If at the time, his oldest child was 8 years old, it would have meant Goultard got married and became a father at 22 years old. Which seems pretty reasonable for him.

That makes him 2102 years old in season 1 (981), 2103 years old in season 2 (982), 2109 years old in the 3 OVAs (988) and, as stated above, 2111 years old in Wakfu season 3 and 4 (990).

The symbiote is COMFIRMED to be Medoroziam, Mongrelamus in English. For anybody confused about that name, Medor is an extremely common, even stereotypical, dog name, and mongrel means a dog of no discernable breed, a mutt.

Medoroziam in the mmorpg. He was one of the ten Primordial Demons and one of Rushu's siblings. Unlike most of the others, he managed to escape Rushu's attempted fratricide but lost his body in doing so.

I very much enjoy having some info about the symbiote's backstory, and the symbiote originally being dog-like is.... yes 👁️👁️

He's 1471 years old when he meets Arty, in 350, and when Arty frees him from the demon after being possessed by the symbiote for 1441 years.

"The adventures he lived alongside Arty as Vald, as well as his fight against his friend when the latter took the form of a raging dragon, reignited the flame of his humanity."

REIGNITED THE FLAME OF HIS HUMANITY!

The time Goultard spent possessed by the symbiote, before being freed by Arty, represents about 68% of his entire lifetime (by season 4). (yes, I'm the only person who cares enough to calculate this)

They mention the story of Les Shushus de Rushu, that starts when Algate, a sorceress, frees Goultard from imprisonment in exchange for his help in defeating four of Rushu's most powerful shushus.

They don't tell us precisely when Goultard was imprisoned, or how long exactly he spent chained in that cave. All we know is it was at least a few centuries.

But they do confirm one thing that I simply refuse to accept.

That the Dofus Goultard obtained in this story, the same Dofus that resulted in the birth of Dark Vlad, was the Emerald Dofus... And not the Crimson Dofus.

I know Dark Vlad famously has the Emerald Dofus in the mmorpg, but this story happens in 24 while the mmorpg happens in 644!!!

Dark Vlad is very strongly associated with anger, flames and fire, just like the Crimson Dofus. We also know for a fact that Dark Vlad had the crimson Dofus within him for years before the events of the Dofus manga, because we see Crail the Guardian take it from him. And much later in the manga, when Goultard has the Crimson Dofus back, he still struggles not to turn into Vlad again.

Saying this Dofus was the Emerald one, takes away from Vlad's story and creates two plot holes : how did Vlad get the Crimson Dofus, and how did he lose the Emerald Dofus?

I hate this, sincerely.

And here comes another stupid ass decision from the council! This time it's about Tristepin and Iop's reincarnations.

"After so many adventures, Goultard inherits the powers of the lop god for a time and takes responsibility for raising the reincarnation of his father in the body of a simple Twelvian…"

"In 975, Goultard meets Tristepin, a young lop who wants to take the demigod as a model. He agrees to become his master when the time comes and to teach him the basics of combat."

GOU: WHEN I GROW UP, I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE YOU! PINPIN: I WILL BE TRISTEPIN DE PERCEDAL THE BARBARIAN… GOU: I WOULDN'T WISH IT ON YOU, KID… GOU: YOU SHOULD GO HOME! PINPIN: WILL YOU TEACH ME? A meeting visible in the manga DOFUS Hors-série: Goultard Bazar (2010).

"Some time later, he understands that Tristepin is none other than the new reincarnation of the Iop god."

This whole parts seems to confirm the growing suspicion i had that Tristepin is NOT the first human incarnation of the Iop god (like some details from season 3 also pointed to).

Confirming that the baby Goultard is seen holding (as if he had just given birth to it like the virgin mary all surrounded by farm animals and shit) in the epilogue of the Dofus manga is indeed not Tristepin.

AS FOR GOULTARD, HE BECAME A FATHER! HIS OWN FATHER'S FATHER. YES, IT'S A BIT COMPLEX… RATHER THAN RETURNING TO THE INGLORIUM TO BE WITH THE OTHER GODS, IOP DECIDED TO BE REINCARNATED AS A HUMAN BEING.

Personally, I believe this to be a huge mistake.

First of all, how many human reincarnations of Iop has there been before Pinpin? in the 614 years between the events of the Dofus manga and Tristepin's birth? That seems quite a short time for an immortal. And these incarnations wouldn't have died of old age, meaning something must have killed them, but what? And was Goultard responsible for raising and training every single one of them? Or only the first and Tristepin? Wouldn't any of them have found out about their divine origins and wanted to take back their rightful role and power as Iop god???

This all seems a little convoluted.

But also simply because in my opinion, Goultard having already raised/trained one or more other human incarnations of his father, before Pinpin, greatly takes away from how unique and complex his relationship with Tristepin feels....

Very disapointing but not surprising. I might simply pretend it's not true.

But besides all that, this article also gave us some great high defintion pictures of Goultard!!

Baby baby baby baby baby baby <3

Evil very bad very blood-thirsty Gou <3 <3

Dofus: Aux Tresors de Kerubim Goultard cameo!!!! <3 <3 <3

and now that I'm looking at it I'm pretty sure they used AI to make it higher quality sdfhdfhfgdhh

Adding this just to note that in game his hairstyle (with the headband and accessories) was more traditionally feminine for a Iop.

( until he started boymoding and grew a beard 😔 smfh )

He's so fucking ugly what the fuck happened literally nothing is right seriously wtf 🤢

#dofusposting #goultard #dofus manga #wakfu #dofus #dofus symbiote

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Petition for Naturalization for Maria Zamora De Garcia

Record Group 21: Records of District Courts of the United StatesSeries: Petitions for Naturalization

[top left corner] ORIGINAL (To be retained by clerk) [center] UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [top right corner] No. 48

PETITION FOR NATURALIZATION 75878

[handwritten in red and circled] 7

To the Honorable the District Court of The United States at Los Angeles, Calif.

The petition of MARIA GARCIA, hereby filed, respectfully shows:

(1) My place of residence is 10433 Montara Ave., South Gate, Calif. (2) My occupation is dressmaker

(3) I was born in La Colorada, Mexico on 2/19/00 My race is white

[illegible] xxxm husband is citizen of US by birth in US

Court of [blank], at [blank]

(5) I am [blank] married. The name of my husband is Nicolas Blas Garcia

we were married on 8/29/29 at Los Angeles, Calif.; he was born at Rockport, Tex. on 2/3/01; entered the United States

at [blank] on [blank] for permanent residence therein, and now resides at with me I have 3 children, and the name, date, and place of birth, and place of residence of each of said children are as follows:

Dorothy 8/20/22

Carmen 10/31/23

Nicolas Jr. 6/4/30 all born in Los Angeles, Calif., and all reside with me

(6) My last foreign residence was Agua Prieta Sonora, Mex. I emigrated to the United State of America from " My lawful entry for permanent residence in the United States was at Nogales, Ariz., under the name of maria Zamora de Garcia

on 7/22/24, on the vessel on foot

as shown by the certificate of my arrival attached hereto.

(7) I am not a disbeliever in or opposed to organized government or a member of or affiliated with any organization or body of persons teaching disbelief in or opposed to organized government. I am not a polygamist nor a believer in the practice of polygamy. I am attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States. It is my intention to become a citizen of the United States and to renounce absolutely and forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentiate, state, or sovereignty, and particularly to [blank]

of whom (which) at this time I am a subject (or citizen), and it is my intention to reside permanently in the United States. (8) I am able to speak the English language.

(9) I have resided continuously in the United States of America for the term of [handwritten] 1 years at least immediately preceding the date of this petition, to wit, since

7/22/24 and in the County of Los Angeles

this State, continuously next preceding the date of this petition, since July 1924 [illegible]

[illegible] xpetition filed under Sec. 2 Act of Sept. 22, 1922

(10) I have not heretofore made petition for naturalization: No. [blank] , on [blank]

at [blank] and such petition was denied by that Court for the following reasons and causes, to wit:

[blank]

and the cause of such denial has since been cured or removed.

Attached hereto and made a part of this, my petition for citizenship, [illegible], certificate from the

Department of Labor of my said arrival, and the affidavits of the two verifying witnesses required by law.

Wherefore, I, your petitioner, pray that I may be admitted a citizen of the United States of America, [illegible]

[blank]

I, Maria Garcia, do swear (affirm) that I know the contents of this petition for naturalization subscribed by me, that

the same are true to the best of my own knowledge, except as to matters therein stated to be alleged upon information and belief and that as to those matters I believe

them to be true, and that this petition was signed by me with my full, true name: SO HELP ME GOD.

[handwritten] X [signature]

AFFIDAVITS OF WITNESSES

Ray L. Hayes, occupation painter

residing at 3153 Cherokee Ave., South Gate, Calif.

Lottie M. Hayes, occupation housewife

residing at 3153 Cherokee Ave., South Gate, Calif.

each being severally, duly, and respectively sworn, deposes and says: I am a citizen of the United States of America; I have personally known and have been acquainted

since 6/1/37 and that to my personal knowledge the petitioner has resided in the United States continuously preceding

the date of filing this petition, of which this affidavit is a part, to wit, since the date last mentioned and at South Gate

in the County of Los Angeles, Calif.

this State, in which the above-entitled petition is made, continiously since 6/1/37, and that i have personal knowledge that the

petitioner is and during all such periods has been a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed

to the good order and happiness of the United States, and in my opinion the petitioner is in every way qualified to be admitted a citizen of the United States.

I do swear (affirm) that the statements of fact I have made in this affidavit of this petition for naturalization subscribed by me are true to the best of my knowledge

and belief.

[signature][signature]

(signature of witness)(signature of witness)

Subscribed and sworn to before me by the above-named petitioner and witnesses in the respective forms of oath shown above in the office of Clerk of said Court at

Los Angeles this 10 day of June, Anno Domini 1940. I hereby certify that Certificate of Arrival No. 23 81375

from the Department of Labor, showing the lawful entry for permanent residence of the petitioner above named [illegible]

of such petitioner, has been by me filed with, attached to, and made a part of this petition on this date.

[signature]

clerk.

By [signature]

Deputy Clerk.

Mexico

[complete transcript at link]

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writing-on-eafv23 · 11 months ago

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i have a lot of ideas for A/B/O stuff, but i can't deny myself fluffy Grandpa Bruce

INCLUDES: A/B/O, there not really much of Danny in this because he's sleeping but he is here!, light Bruce x Minhkhoa, implied Bruce x others (Selina, Talia, Harvey, etc.), Danny is de-aged in this (up to your interpretation but i was writing this imagining Danny was like 5), Omega Bruce, Beta Minhkhoa, Jason is mentioned, Omega Jason, a few spelling and grammar mistakes, It was late when I was writing this

“You never told me you had a new puppy” The familiar voice of Khoa sounds from beside Bruce, had he been any less distracted with trying to babyproof the hallway he would have noticed Khoa creeping up behind him with Danny in his arms, bundled up in a blanket they all had scented. Danny’s lack of any scent, even a personal scent, had made their pack instincts go into a tizzy, so they took turns rubbing a blanket against their scent glands so at the very least their scent would rub off on Danny while Jason was making a safer safehouse to raise his new puppy. Honestly, if it were up to Bruce, Jason and Danny would be locked in the manor where they can be properly cared for and doted on by the pack, but Bruce knew better than to interfere with a very hormonal, very broody, first-time, Omega parent. Bruce practically bristles at the sight of Minhkhoa, someone who (although he does have a situationship with) is not part of their pack, holding his new grandpup. All this earns from the Beta is a chuckle, ignoring Bruce’s warning growls.

“And such a cute one too, look at those little fangs” Khoa coos, drawing attention to how the little pup was gnawing at Khoa’s fingers as he slept, leaving little indents in the brown skin. It wasn't often Khoa was soft. Even with his own adoptive son, Phanton-One, Khoa saw the boy more as a project and a way to one-up Bruce than an actual son. So, to see Khoa genuinely coo over a pup was… odd, and Bruce ignored the way it made his heart flutter slightly. However, Bruce’s growls return with twice the strength when Khoa sniffs at Danny’s scent gland, or rather, lack thereof. Minhkhoa quirks an eyebrow under his mask when he notices the lack of scent, pulling his face back

“Pup’s got a weird smell though, where'd you pick this one up from, Brucie?”

“Don’t call me that,” Bruce replies curtly, returning to placing silicone protectors on the corner of the decorative table in the hallway, trying and failing to ignore how Khoa was holding Danny so gently. “Danny was found wandering the streets at night. He has no records, no documents, no missing posters, not even a birth certificate. And he's my grandpup, not my puppy”

“So, one of yours claimed the first orphan child they saw, it seems your adoption habits are contagious” Khoa always did have him pinned, though, that's what happens when you’ve been rivals with somebody for so long.

“Hn.”

“Don't you ‘hn’ me. Tonight was supposed to be our date night!” Comes Khoas's complaint, his voice almost whiney, though he quiets down when Danny whimpers in his sleep, which prompts a deep growl from Bruce that makes the Beta snicker. “But I GUESS since you are SO busy with the new grandpuppy, we can reschedule… but you owe me two dates next month”

“Hmn.” It’s a fair ultimatum, more time to get the new pup properly scented and used to the manor and then he gets to have two date nights, Bruce just hopes the others won't get jealous. It's hard to juggle multiple situationships, but Bruce (somehow) manages to make it work.

“Good,” Khoa’s lips curl into that familiar grin, and he transfers Danny from his arms and into Bruce’s, not even bothering to hide his chuckle when Bruce begins to purr in that rumbly bass and nuzzle his cheek against the top of the pup’s head. Pressing a short kiss to Bruce’s lips, Khoa quickly pulls away with a smirk, earning a grumble from Bruce.

“and don’t be so grumpy. Your pheromones will set the puppy off”

#batman #dcxdp #dpxdc #dp x dc crossover #crossover #dc #bruce wayne #minhkhoa khan #ghost maker #a/b/o #danny phantom #danny fenton #mentioned Jason Todd #i love platonic a/b/o #just a big pack making a big ole nest to snuggle together in :)#i have no ide why/how Danny arrived in the DC universe or why he's deaged but he's here now!#eh its a problem for future me if i decide go make this an ongoing thing

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After knowing and living alongside the Arcobaleno for nearly thirty years, Skull could say he was fairly accustomed to their brand of chaos: Reborn’s violent unpredictability, Verde’s sci-fi mad scientist antics, Lal and Colonello’s military nonsense, and the creeping, stalkerish presence shared (and hotly contested) by Viper and Reborn. And of course, there was Fon—the annoyingly calm, smiling kung fu master who acted like some pretty Mr. Miyagi knockoff.

So when Viper—Mammon now—chose to invade his room by phasing through the wall instead of using the damn door, Mist Flames flaring like some ghost in a horror game jump scare, Skull didn’t even blink.

Mammon just stood there, glaring at the demigod without saying a word.

Skull didn’t look up. The Cloud was sitting on the floor, legs stretched out, humming to himself as he balanced a spoon on his nose.

Mammon's eyes flicked over him, unimpressed. “Delphi Strawberry Service.”

The spoon clattered to the floor.

“Huh?” Skull blinked. “Are we talking smoothies now? Because I could go for something fruity—”

“You’ve been traced to it,” Mammon cut in. “Private land, upstate New York. Either it’s the world’s worst farm… or it’s a front for something. Maybe a training site.”

Skull gave a long, dramatic gasp. “Oh no! A front? You think I was part of a fruit smuggling ring? The truth comes out!”

Mammon didn’t react. “It gets weirder. That area? Stories cling to it. Disappearances. Unusual weather." The miser's tone was dry. "No delivery routes. No employees. A few locals said something about a summer camp for children. Nothing but rumors.”

Skull picked up the spoon and examined it like it had betrayed him.

"You followed me," he said lightly. "Not cool, senpai. Kinda stalker-y."

Mammon's eyes narrowed beneath the hood. The green frog on their head was twitching subtly, its wide eyes unblinking. “I had searched for 'Skull de Mort' before. I’ve gone over every database. Every report. No birth certificate. No real name. No civilian data or medical files. Like you didn’t exist before the Harven's Circus.”

Skull said nothing, but his body stilled just a little.

"Until I found a lead to Montauk, at the end of Long Island. To strawberry fields. Most of the information about it inexistent." The informant floated closer. “But I found a few names listed under this 'Delphi Services's registry. One matches your timeline: Perseus Jackson.”

A long pause.

Then Skull chuckled. “Wow. That’s dramatic. Bet you would make a great evil spy. You know. Like those James Bond's villains...”

“Perseus Jackson. American. Born Manhattan, New York, in August 18th. No named father." Mammon cut him off. "An old missing persons report, a string of school expulsions, was once a suspect of his mother's disappearance and had one too many witnesses claiming the boy blew up a train at age twelve. No phone numbers, no digital footprint, no online presence."

The Varia officer had his own theories about this "unknown" father. Sally Jackson had no Greek heritage—they had checked. Yet the Mist had often caught Skull murmuring in the language fluently, with no records of ever having taken a language class in college. Mammon could understand it easily, it was one of the many languages he knew, even more than the seven required for a member of the Varia.

Even then, Greek wasn't a common choice. In Europe perhaps. Not in New York. Not in the suburbs.

He’d considered the obvious: the mysterious father was Greek.

Most likely? A wealthy man. A politician, maybe. Or even minor nobility. Married. Powerful enough to cover up an affair. Too proud—or too careful—to claim the child without burning his public image.

The Mist continued. "Vanished after his fiancée — the renowned architect Annabeth Chase — died under mysterious circumstances. Officially, no cause of death. Just... gone.”

“Sounds messy.” Skull stretched his arms behind his head. “Bet whoever he was, he’s fish food now.”

Mammon's voice lowered. “He isn’t. Because he’s standing in front of me.”

Silence.

The Cloud huffed, before slouching dramatically on the egde of the chair, tiny legs swinging like a bored child. The skull helmet obscured most of his expression, but not the smirk.

"Oof,” the stuntman winced. “That's fair, you're the 'Greatest Information Broker' in Mafia, aren't you senpai?" He pouted. "I knew I should’ve paid that one guy to make me a cooler backstory.”

Mammon's eyes narrowed at the non-answer.

It still didn’t explain everything. Skull’s partial Greek background was one mystery solved—but that didn’t clear up the whispers surrounding the strawberry farm.

At first, Mammon had assumed Mafia. A shadow front operation. Maybe even human experimentation like the Estraneo, disguised as “child summer camp.” Mist Flames could hide plenty. But the deeper he dug, the less it all added up. No financial trail. No predictable hierarchy. No alliance or relation to other known American organization.

Skull tilted his head, eyes crinkling.“I hear strawberries are good for the heart. Maybe I just like gardening.”

Mammon's silence was louder than any accusation.

Skull just hummed. Looks like the cat's out of the bag now. His fellow Arcobaleno had done his homework well—flattering, in a way. Sometimes he forgot Camp Half-Blood still kept up the legal front of a strawberry farm. He wondered how much it had changed since then.

The Mist Arcobaleno's eyes were steady, voice deceptively light. “What happened to Percy Jackson?”

Skull tilted his head, confused smile plastered on like theater makeup. “What do you mean?

“You know what I mean,” Mammon went on, irritation simmering in his tone. “young man who vanished after his fiancée died under mysterious circumstances. Left behind a history of bizarre incidents and just so happened to be connected to a 'strawberry farm' that doubles as a summer camp with surprising tigh security perimeter and little to no paper trails or witness. Joined the circus as a stuntman and later became part of the Strongest Seven.”

“You made it sound romantic. You should write a novel.” Skull said, shrugging. “Maybe he ran off to find himself.”

“Maybe,” Mammon murmured. His eyes narrowed just slightly. “He also knows Greek. Fluently. Not something you pick up at a public school in New York. You never took any language classes in college either.”

Skull let out a laugh. “I barely passed English, senpai. Greek? You give me too much credit.”

A beat of silence.

Then Mammon said, low and clean, "Xéro polý kalá óti eísai ilíthios, laké."

Without thinking, Skull rolled his eyes and smirked. “Eínai kalýtera na eísai anóitos pará éna kátharma me emmoní me ta chrímata."

The smirk froze.

Ah.

Got him.

#skull

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a guide to: hyacinthus shrapnel

thank you to anyone who's expressed interest in my favorite asshole man--at some point i'll do this for more ocs, but i am not immune to favoritism. gently tagging those who i think would wanna see this:

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transposed under the cut!

SLIDE 1: A GUIDE TO HYACINTHUS SHRAPNEL -- the meanest, prettiest, and most emotionally constipated man ever. by @vacantgodling, yours truly

SLIDE 2: BASIC INFORMATION pt. 1

FULL NAME: HYACINTHUS SHRAPNEL (nicknames: HYA (by amon), CINTHY (by aloe, lovingly, and tagetes, degradingly), CINTH (by narci))

AGE: 31

BIRTHDAY: he hates talking about his birthday, so you won’t get the exact date. just know that it falls during the galerian form of “christmas” which is the two weeks of may 12th — may 24th. its somewhere in there :)

GENDER: TROIBEMME (HE/HIM PRONOUNS ONLY)

the galerian equivalent to our nonbinary; an entirely separate gender denomination that blurs the line between masculine and feminine; encompassing everything inbetween, nothing at all, or outside of a binary frame altogether. its considered a ‘third gender’ by the galerian people, and has been observed in galerian history for centuries. old galerian even features multiple pronoun sets, but they have been lost in the modern age. nowadays, those who present as troibemme usually use “they” “he” or “she” but this does not negate their troibemme status. gender =/= pronouns etc.

SOCIAL STATUS: WIFE OF THE KEEPER OF CHATEAU AUX AISLES D’OR

husband and wife refer to the specific social hierarchy in galere. “wife” and “husband” respectively refer to the role of being a breadwinner and connection maker (husband) versus the manager of the house and finances (wife). wives do occasionally lead the way in organizing at home balls. child rearing (in upper society) is usually left to maids and nanny’s—not a responsibility of either parent. traditionalists believe wives should take on this task as children are part of the “home”, but in actual valerian society children are usually pawned off. all of the gunn clan, sans aloe (as he is part of the clergy) are wives.

SLIDE 3: THE GUNN FAMILY TREE

a family tree that showcases the main gunn family tree. lonicera gunn and clematis gunn are crossed out because they are deceased. they were wed first and had 3 children, tagetes gunn de beneaux (40, they/them), iberis winch (36, he/him) and narcissus spokes (33, she/her). while it is not indicated by the chart, clematis had a relationship with moxie shrapnel in lonicera's twilight years, giving birth to hyacinthus shrapnel (31, he/him) and his name is in bold lettering. then, clematis finally married belladonna anvil (who hyphenated her name to anvil-gunn) and had 2 children, lavendula caldern (28, she/her) and aloe anvil-gunn (24, he/him).

SLIDE 4: BASIC INFORMATION PT. 2

SOCIAL STATUS: aside from a wife, hya is also a BASTARD. this is not a well kept secret.

bastards, as per the definition, are illegitimate heirs. hyacinthus is the 4th child of the dodgy businessman, CLEMATIS GUNN, who had an affair with a prostitute, MOXIE SHRAPNEL (where hya gets his surname), during his first wife’s decline in health.

bastards have no claim to family fortunes, so when clematis passed, hya would’ve been shit out of luck if he wasn’t essentially adopted by tagetes. hya has also never met his mother to his own knowledge as she fled the situation when clematis started getting more abusive.

in order to marry the keeper, tagetes had birth certificates forged. whether or not the keeper knows of this deceit is questionable; but the large dowry tagetes paid to facilitate the marriage has seemed to placate them enough not to question it.

MISC LIKES: coffee (misted ivory geisha is his favorite in universe blend—its imported from the northeast country i have yet to name), fashion (dresses, shoulder pads, and embroidery are his favorite things), gold & white (for jewelry, dress, and aesthetically), MONEY (he’s extremely materialistic), reading & literature (he’s very critical however—in a modern au he would probably be a pretty well renowned critic).

in general however, hya is easily annoyed.

SLIDE 5: what annoys hya, you may ask? FUCKING EVERYTHING. thank you for being polite because he's not :D

SLIDE 6: GENERAL APPEARANCE

HEIGHT: 5’11” (~180cm)

EYE COLOR: dark brown

HAIR COLOR: black, with hime bangs (square bangs in the front with short, square cut side bangs that frame the face and chin), and long hair that reaches to his mid back.

BUILD: broad, girthy👀, and imposing. when he finds time to work out is a mystery to most, but his physique shows he clearly does.

there are 2 photos of hyacinthus to display his looks; a broad shouldered, dark brown skinned man with fox-shaped and narrow eyes, multiple piercings (nose, ears, and lip), and two beauty marks under his left eye. he is wearing an intricate white and gold outfit in the picture on the right. in the one on the left he is wearing an intricate white and gold choker. there are 2 thought bubbles over each. one says "RBF STRONG AF". the other says "even though hya is so well manicured he hates showers bc #childhoodtrauma. he does take baths though!"

SLIDE 7: everything on hya glitters like gold -> here’s a map of hya’s piercings and notable features

the picture shows various arrows pointing to hyacinthus (who has his mouth open to reveal that his canine teeth on his upper row of teeth have been replaced by sharp, solid gold). they point to his beauty marks, canines, and various piercings.

SLIDE 8: IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIPS

as an aside, hya didn’t have friends growing up because he literally wasn’t allowed to leave the estate his father trapped him in until he was 19… and that was bc his dad died and tagetes ‘adopted’ him.

TAGETES ⟶ despite the fact that tagetes basically raised hya, the two of them hardly see eye to eye. tagetes views, treats, and exploits hya (as they do everyone) as a means to their end goals—though what those goals are is anyone’s guess. hya doesn’t trust tagetes as far as he could throw them. yet, at the same time, they have a strange sense of obligation and “care” (if it can be called that) towards one another. tagetes was definitely the main influence into why hya is Like That.

ALOE ⟶ since aloe turned 10 and learned that he had an older brother whom he hadn’t met yet, he began to try and write letters getting to know hya. despite being generally brash, crass, and a pain in the ass, hya really cherishes aloe’s letters and companionship, and they actually meet for the first time in person during the events of paramour.

AMON ⟶ y’all knew it was coming. i feel like i don’t even have to explain this one they are obsessed with each other in the most toxic of ways lmao. amon infuriates hya down to a molecular level, yet he is also the only man—only person—hya has ever been attracted to. (and he will not EVER admit that)

SLIDE 9: HIS OPINIONS ON...

… Narcissus ⟶ she annoys him and he can’t understand why she’s so obsessed with trying to ‘fit in’ with other people. also he wished she wouldn’t try to talk his ear off every time she saw him.

… Iberis ⟶ he literally doesn’t have one. the two of them avoid each other like the plague.

… Lavendula ⟶ avoids her like the plague if he can help it, but she actually looks up to him in a way, especially based on the things aloe has told her about him. they aren’t close and don’t really speak until her book but that’s a whole other thing.

… Clematis ⟶ #daddyissues. hates the man’s guts and is glad he’s dead.

… Lonicera ⟶ she died before he was born, but even if she lived, he would’ve never met her regardless. no opinion.

… Moxie ⟶ he’s never met his mother to his knowledge, so he has no opinion of her. she loves him very much and there’s more to that story that we won’t hear about until empire (tagetes’s book)

… Belladonna ⟶ the loathing is mutual

… Erecia ⟶ he doesn’t gain an opinion of her until lavendula’s book, and even then it’s mostly just “that’s amon’s friend” territory

… Viola, Barbatus, & Rumex ⟶ he’s not good with kids so he tries not to interact if he can avoid it

… Helianthus ⟶ finds him EXTREMELY obnoxious

… Terian ⟶ no opinion, they’ve never met.

… Miss Shanin ⟶ she’s always in his way and he’s generally annoyed by and suspicious of her

… Vira, Tamhas, Asahel ⟶ no opinion at all. they’re just servants.

… The Keeper & The Bishop ⟶ finds them genuinely disturbing. distrusts them HEAVILY.

SLIDE 10: ASSOCIATIONS

alcoholic drink: white russian

food: steak bechamel

colors: white & gold

flower: yellow hyacinths

animal: leopard

zodiac: taurus

tarot: six of swords

song: lyin’ to myself — todrick hall

#s: paramour #character intro #baby boyyyyyy <3 #did i get the tagging to work now #wth #tumblr pls #paramour profiles

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