#cw csam

[merr-murr]

CW : L0l1, CSA, CSAM, Harassment

Apparently there's a hate brigade running after me because some people cannot separate fiction from fantasy. I've had to say it on my Twitter and despite my lack of adult content on this account, people have made it their prerogative to harass me on multiple platforms.

if you genuinely think that drawings of fictional characters is equal to the suffering of real children put in abusive situations, get the FUCK off of my blog. I dealt with CSA my entire childhood and all of my teens years, including being groomed. I tried not to let this whole thing get to me, but people calling me a child predator because I made a fucking DRAWING that they found icky is one of the most insane things they could have possibly done. ESPECIALLY to someone who was a victim and would never wish that pain on anyone else.

My ASSAULT is not equal to demon children in a cartoon. Real people are not equal to fictional characters. You can say it's gross, you can say you don't like, hell, you can even be a fascist and say we should censor art you don't agree with! But don't ever compare me to an abuser because I drew naughty art of cartoon characters without sentience.

I will not apologize for having tastes that don't align with some online fascists who save art that THEY think is CSAM to their own hard drives to "call people out." You're a freak if you are saving material that you think is genuinely CSAM. You're a freak if you are encouraging people to go interact with someone who you think is a predator. You're a freak if you think human children are as worthless as cartoon drawings. You're a freak if you equate the real abuse and suffering of real people in any capacity to a factitious scenario created for kicks.

If you actually give a fuck about protecting children, stop wasting your time on a random artist (a CSAA victim) who drew a singular piece of l0l1 art and maybe volunteer your services to charities that help REAL CHILDREN.

Get over yourself and go touch some damn grass.

TLDR; If you think real children being abused is even remotely equal (legally OR morally) to cartoon drawings of fake demon characters, I do not want you following me or interacting with me as a CSA survivor.

[llitchilitchi]

an AU where Dream's prison stay does not go quite according to the plan, and everyone is haunted by a living ghost

all dsmp rp

Dream suffered through everything in prison to protect Punz, to hide their partnership, their collaboration, the fact that Punz has the revive book.

but things never went quite the way Dream hoped, did they? so when he dies in prison during torture, Sam pays Punz to help him drag the body out and bury it with a promise to keep his mouth shut for a high enough pay.

the grave is nondescript, far away from the mainland SMP - there is no one to come visit, no one to come mourn. there is no need to do much except dump the body in the hole and put dirt on top. he's met with no eulogy.

Sam departs soon, leaving Punz staring at the fresh patch of dirt. it's maybe an hour after that Punz takes the shovel again and digs the body out, a book and a flint and steel ready in his pocket when he drags the ruined body back to the surface and brings Dream back. they can continue their work, now, in hiding, far from the rest of the server despite their plan diverging with this sudden turn of events.

no one knows that Dream has been revived. no one but Punz.

so Sam and Quackity feel their throats close the next time they get a ping "Dream joined the server"

they just hope his ghost will have forgotten like Wilbur's did

[txttletale]

did you hear about the LAION stuff?

yeah i mean it is obviously really fucking bad but i think a lot of the reporting on it is disingenous in presenting this as a specific problem or failure of LAION / the AI sector when it is really just indicative of a much wider problem with the prevalence of CSAM on the internet. like, ending up with CSAM in your dataset is kind of a natural consequence of scraping the public facing internet, because places like facebook and twitter are fucking rife with it. facebook removed more than 70 million posts last year for violating its CSAM policy -- if we give them the extremely generous benefit of the doubt and say that their moderation is capable of catching 99% of it, that's still 700,000 CSAM images/videos left up in 2022 alone. like a lot of things with AI, it's just showcasing a much wider problem that's unfortunatley much more difficult to resolve.

[lemmaeof]

So it turns out that every single major image generator - Stable Diffusion, Midjourney, DALL-E, all of them - was trained on a dataset that includes thousands of images of literal child porn

[huntinglove]

I got an ask earlier that said, in these exact words:

"You really are your father's child, since you both like touching kids"

And once again I say: Antis do not care about victims. Never have and never will.

To compare six years of actual sexual abuse, towards a real child, to drawings of fictional characters is absurd and insensitive.

I'm too tired to go into detail about all the levels of fucked up about this but what I do have to say is:

Antis are going to use pedojacketing until they corner themselves into a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" situation, which will end up making even more kids get hurt by their stupid cult

It doesn't matter what I say, antis will keep on:

wasting resources

prioritizing fictional children over actual minors who happen to be proship

harassing actual victims of child sexual abuse and victims of creation of child sexual abuse media (Like myself)

One day this insane disservice to fandom safety will bite antis in the ass and they'll still find a way to blame us for it.

I've blocked the anon but here's a screenshot to prove I'm not just trying to victimize myself. These are things I deal with on the daily.

[chrysalizzm]

[wip] inspo from this post by @kiuda im drawing smth for all of them i prommy but uhhh heres the lineart for cawesamdream

warnings: mild nudity, implied abuse

[salora-rainriver]

the lily orchard thing is weird because the primary callout for her that i've seen comes from a youtube channel with absolutely no sense of proportion, putting "wrote a shock fic years ago" and "featured as a character in feral furry porn" right next to "actually groomed minors" as though these are all equally bad and worthy of scorn. it makes me realize that even when we're right that someone is a bad person, we can still fall into transphobic ways of framing it

Okay full disclosure: i don’t know what youtube vid you’re talking about. I did watch A Videos on Orchard.

So first off I get the point about proportionality, theres absolutely a difference between writing stockholm and that whole stint where she encouraged a teen and an adult to “breed”, and I do agree that any callout should make the difference in severity clear,

But im not sure that, in this case, someone failing to make that distinction clear is A Transphobia. And that’s because… I’m not convinced Stockholm was intended to be a shock fic. I can definitely see where one may draw such a conclusion, I just personally feel otherwise, I feel like Stockholm is itself morally wrong. I feel the same way about it that I feel about “lolicon” art, and asking me to not mark the fic as a slight against Orchard feels odd to me, because I would be uncomfortable with Butch Hartman writing material like that. I would want to know that he wrote this, feels no remorse for writing it, intends to make media for children while having written that.

People draw their personal lines in the sand in different places, particularly when it comes to fictional depictions of That Shit. Someone’s Lolita (a harsh and uncomfortable work thats clearly not glorifying the act once you sit down and engage with it fairly) is going to be another’s [idk insert literal fucking CP here], and the wide diversity of art makes it nigh-impossible to be able to draw a line between Acceptable and Unacceptable.

And for what it’s worth, the above ^^^ is why Im frustrated with the binary framing of the pro-ship and anti-ship discourse. It just doesn’t work, even the most ardently pro-ship person is going to draw their line somewhere, and even the most ardently anti-ship is going to look at someone else’s judgement and go “but theres nothing wrong with this”. And ultimately, the two camps of pro and anti… don’t actually exist. Ask me honestly which camp I fall in and I genuinely wouldn’t be able to tell you, and if you interrogate your personal moral values and feelings about various dubious media honestly, you’ll realize that you can’t, either.

Sorry. This is a ramble. I’ll summarize:

- I think it’s important to know that Orchard wrote Stockholm, and to allow people to judge her for writing that, because many believe that works like these are morally wrong, period end of, and it’s not transmisogyny for one to judge this fic the same way they judge similar works from cishet writers.

- despite having that opinion, I do agree that the real grooming is much worse than the fic, and agree that making this distinction clear is important.

- I also think its dangerous to discuss the morality of fictional media from an all-or nothing binary framing, because the truth is we do not genuinely hold such extreme positions in real life, we all have a limit somewhere on the spectrum in either direction, which is my main frustration with pro-ship and anti-ship discourse, because you can never fully belong to either camp. Your position on the issue will be a mix of both. Pro some ships, anti other ships.

I hope thats clear? Thanks for the thoughtful ask. Also, mandatory “pls be gentle I’m the birthday girl”

[the-bar-sinister]

Why are people mad about ao3 now?

Do I wanna know?

The founder of dreamwidth and a former OTW volunteer are stirring shit about the organization's alleged mishandling of the situation wherein malicious actors were terrorizing OTW with CSAM, and the ongoing situation where malicious actors attempt to upload CSAM to the archive.

The short version is that people are mad that the OTW "forces" volunteers to deal with CSAM, ignoring the fact that all of OTW is volunteers, in favor of smearing OTW as malicious oppressors.

[llitchilitchi]

i love your creeper csam design so much!!! i've been wondering, is there a specific real-life creature you were inspired by? the way you draw him feels very spider-like to me except spiders arent quadrupeds

thank you!

there wasn't really any conscious real-life inspiration going into the design as far as I remember, I just wanted to do a creeper design that wasn't a cat centaur cause those were becoming popular at the time and I thought to myself "hey, the warden is fucking terrifying, let's make him even more so"

the main influence on the design were some old concept sketches I did back before I even got into dsmp (back in 2020) when I was messing around with some creepy "biblically accurate" angel designs. this is one I was able to find

[candyrushsweetest]

People Don’t Understand...

AI art has most definitely used children in those inappropriate artworks.

It doesn’t matter how much that an AI “art” program wants to deny it. Millions of photos exist within those tags and photos. You don’t know where the AI is GETTING those images.

You just think you’re getting free p0rn, don’t you?

I understand that some people can’t always afford to commission an artist, but why go to a program that is exploiting children since it analyzes photos and art from the Internet?

Who is to say that you didn’t exploit and harm a kid by just generating it?

I know for a FACT that it exploits children. There are some art programs that don’t even block out the word CHILD from their generator.

They are purposefully ignoring it so they can’t claim liability when this type of “art” can exploit children to unknowing individuals without any knowledge of how AI works.

They look through databases and try to “de-fuse” the image from all those random things they found via the prompt provided.

Children might have used some of the words you put in those prompts, so you may come across something you didn’t want to.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, what’s your opinion on this?

[huntinglove]

They did it again, they sent me a similar ask on another one of my blogs, this time being even more graphic and overall disgusting.

I genuinely feel sick... They're actively sexualizing and ridiculing my trauma and making me blame myself for what happened.

The disgusting pictures he took of me are still probably somewhere on the internet and it genuinely breaks my heart to have people like this think that I'm the same as him.

Try to stop being a coward if you wanna talk so much shit and project your fucked up mentality in my inboxes, you fucking monster.

Anon asks will be disabled for a while. As usual, here's the proof:

[pangurbanthewhite]

So I’ll try to make this my only personal post weighing in on the Ao3/OTW situation, because it’s a big complicated mess with a lot of layers that has genuinely hurt people, but - speaking from my own corner:

I think part of the reason this has me viscerally upset is that we’ve been told for years that Ao3 is there to keep us safe - fanfic writers are very often odd ducks out in fandom spaces, with output that really doesn’t play nice with social media, with authors who can be notoriously litigious.

We were told that Ao3 had to exist in the way it did to keep us safe, that it needed these lawyers on hand to keep us safe, that fanfic was in danger at all times and they were the one thing standing between us and being declared illegal.

I believed that! A lot of people did. Strikethrough was a very real and very scary thing to live through that should not happen again and a lot of people are rightly concerned about making sure doesn’t happen again. Ao3 seemed like a way to make sure that it wouldn’t.

But now it’s becoming more and more apparent that the upper levels of Ao3, which for some reason includes its legal team, have used that gathered clout to throw their weight around into areas they should not be involved in, causing real harm to real people. Under the guise of keeping fanfiction safe, they have been blatantly negligent about keeping people safe.

And yeah! That sucks to realize.

It’s also becoming clear that they don’t even respect fanfic writers anyway. Their defense of allowing unlabeled AI-generated fic on the site is “it’s not our job to preserve just what’s good and popular”, which is entirely not the point and shows a grievous misunderstanding of what LLMs are, do, and are being used for. You want to talk about how verifying what is AI and what is just bad would require huge systematic effort and infrastructure? Okay. I would have walked with you to that pier. But to dismiss even the need for a conversation sucks so much.

One of their lawyers went on a whole cutesy spiel about how “oh, what if readers want to read about DALL-E and Chat-GPT in a coffee shop AU” which, again, tells me that you are unqualified to be speaking on the topic and out of touch with the community you’re supposed to be serving. Gag me. Was monetizing ever really a legal issue or did they just think that fanfic wasn’t worth it?

The fact that their statement still puts the Legal team as a be-all end-all within the organization, without appearing to address oversteps like accusing a volunteer of 900 felonies, tells me that they’re not really prepared to address the concerns people have.

In terms of browser experience, Ao3 is still very much the best out there. In terms of management? Clean house. The organization is clearly still stuck in 2007.

(Very literally, in some cases - when the name Heidi started getting thrown around and people went “wait, Heidi as in Heidipology as in the old euphemism for a 'sorry you’re offended' non-apology from the Harry Potter fandom”, I felt a sinking in the pit of my stomach that has only gotten lower.)

[untitledgoosegay]

The dataset included known CSAM scraped from a wide array of sources, including mainstream social media websites and popular adult video sites. [ ... ] There are methods to minimize CSAM in datasets used to train AI models, but it is challenging to clean or stop the distribution of open datasets with no central authority that hosts the actual data.

Other people in the replies have pointed out cases of AI being trained to recognize CSAM in order to automate detection and reporting -- or, in the case of image generation AI, so that the AI won't produce CSAM.

It's still a real bad look for Google, but I'm seeing people in the tags approaching QAnon-tier conspiracy shit, and it just isn't.

Hey Google what the fuck was that

[f-list-questionable]

Interesting, I sure hope this person isn't yet another shonen fan pretending their objects of lust aren't undera--

Just kidding! of course it is.

I am so tired.