#cw csam

[corpsething]

whenever i think my life rn sucks i remember i was mutuals with hypnotist sappho in 2021-2022 and activelz in contact with her and a bunch of other well known paraphiles at the time.

(also was groomed and exploited to make ”content” by a group and assualted by a man but that besides the point)

[enemywasp]

Obviously I've been getting a bit of extra negative attention on tiktok lately, so here's a compilation of antis being so very "normal and morally correct"

[confusedgoldenflower]

Then tell yourself that buddy but don’t cry if you get arrested for violating laws against csam🤷🏻. It’s a “point” that’s been disproven so many times now really

are we being fr? 💔💔🥀🪫

[whatyouredyingtosee]

if you havent already block and report @/dustygambivigil, theyre posting genuine CSAM in the proship, loli, and shots tags

Reported them to the cybertip line. Disgusting people like that should be locked up.

Reminder: DO NOT SCREENSHOT IMAGES OF CSEM/CSAM UNLESS YOU ARE FILING A REPORT TO THE CYBERTIP LINE. It doesn't matter if you're spreading it for awareness. It doesnt matter if it's cropped. It. Doesn't. Matter. You can and will be thrown in jail for possession of CSAM that way.

[iamnmbr3]

isn't pdf to ship minor characters(like trio) with adults like voldemort or professors?i mean ok ship dark enemies but not pdf. You agree with this?

Lmao what? "pdfs"?! Really? This isn't TikTok where we bow the censorship of corporations or the authoritarian CCP. If you want to talk about an issue talk about it properly. Say pedophilia. Say rape. This is a serious issue and it should be treated with gravity. You owe that much to the victims of CSA and those at risk of CSA.

Now, first of all, no it is not pedophilia to write about underage relationships in mainstream literature (otherwise George RR Martin would be in jail) or in fic or to portray it in movies or tv shows as long as the actors in real life are of age (otherwise HBO would be in jail since Dany is played by an adult actress but is supposed to be 14). Fictional characters are not real people and do not need to be protected. You know who DOES need to be protected and who gets harmed by this kind of ridiculous fandom discourse? REAL CHILDREN WHO ARE VICTIMS OF CSA.

Pedophilia is illegal not because it's fictional content that isn't to everyone's taste but because it is real. The term pedophilia refers to the RAPE of real children. CSAM refers to materials - like movies/photos/etc. made depicting REAL CHILDREN BEING ASSAULT. Not in fiction. In real life. Don't you dare equate someone's dumb fanfic about a fictional ship you don't like to that.

Those are the people who need your help. The real,live children who are being hurt and victimized every day by predators. And those are exactly the people who fandom antis put at risk. For example, a few years ago antis started mass reporting AO3 to an FBI reporting hotline meant for reporting CSA/CSAM because they didn't like the fics on there.

Now, of course AO3 didn't get in trouble because fictional stories about underage characters aren't illegal. But you know what did happen? The hotline got clogged up with these fake reports that had to be investigated which caused delays that put actual children being victimized at risk. Think about that. Children who who were being abused and raped had to wait longer to get help, because of antis clogging up the help line meant to protect them.

So no. People can ship whatever fictional content they want. That's not pedophilia. Pedophilia is real adults abusing real children. Don't you ever disrespect the victims by comparing that to some stupid fandom drama.

[llitchilitchi]

an AU where Dream's prison stay does not go quite according to the plan, and everyone is haunted by a living ghost

all dsmp rp

Dream suffered through everything in prison to protect Punz, to hide their partnership, their collaboration, the fact that Punz has the revive book.

but things never went quite the way Dream hoped, did they? so when he dies in prison during torture, Sam pays Punz to help him drag the body out and bury it with a promise to keep his mouth shut for a high enough pay.

the grave is nondescript, far away from the mainland SMP - there is no one to come visit, no one to come mourn. there is no need to do much except dump the body in the hole and put dirt on top. he's met with no eulogy.

Sam departs soon, leaving Punz staring at the fresh patch of dirt. it's maybe an hour after that Punz takes the shovel again and digs the body out, a book and a flint and steel ready in his pocket when he drags the ruined body back to the surface and brings Dream back. they can continue their work, now, in hiding, far from the rest of the server despite their plan diverging with this sudden turn of events.

no one knows that Dream has been revived. no one but Punz.

so Sam and Quackity feel their throats close the next time they get a ping "Dream joined the server"

they just hope his ghost will have forgotten like Wilbur's did

[txttletale]

did you hear about the LAION stuff?

yeah i mean it is obviously really fucking bad but i think a lot of the reporting on it is disingenous in presenting this as a specific problem or failure of LAION / the AI sector when it is really just indicative of a much wider problem with the prevalence of CSAM on the internet. like, ending up with CSAM in your dataset is kind of a natural consequence of scraping the public facing internet, because places like facebook and twitter are fucking rife with it. facebook removed more than 70 million posts last year for violating its CSAM policy -- if we give them the extremely generous benefit of the doubt and say that their moderation is capable of catching 99% of it, that's still 700,000 CSAM images/videos left up in 2022 alone. like a lot of things with AI, it's just showcasing a much wider problem that's unfortunatley much more difficult to resolve.

[magicalmysteryperson]

Remember when I said that I wasn't gonna get myself involved in the DAGames controversy shit?

Well, I just remembered something.

I don't think Jamey (J_Vampyre on twitter) or the dagamesexposed twitter account are aware of this yet, but I remember watching one of his livestreams and saw two files that kinda urked me.

Actually, that whole onedrive folder, "CMD", irked me.

I can feel some kind of dark aura in there.

For those who don't know:

“In the UK, the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 (Which took effect in April 2010), made the possession of fictional pornography involving minors illegal. This Acts provisions only apply in Wales, England, and Northern Ireland, but do not apply in Scotland. The exact provision states “criminalizing possession of cartoon pornographic images depicting both minors as well as adults where the “predominant impression conveyed” is that the individual (being depicted), is that of a child” - Coroners and Justice Act 2009 Chapter Two, Part Two: Images of Children

Mind you, I saw this livestream in 2020/2021. The livestream was from 2016/2017. I was never a part of the DAGames discord, nor was I aware of the shit going on in there.

Past me assumed that it was some sort of dark joke. And if it wasn't a dark joke, then he would've grown past this.

BOY, WAS I WRONG!

And before any of you say that this screenshot is edited in any sort of way, I screen recorded the video.

Timecode: 1:10:31. Video? Here.

If you have a twitter, do let J_Vampyre or the dagamesexposed twitter account know about this.

....Oh, and one more thing? Start archiving shit. There could be a good chance that he could nuke all the social media pages. Even the Youtube channels.

Trust me. I was there when he nuked his twitter. Multiple times. I was even there when he nuked both the public and personal twitter accounts.

I'm not doing this because I hate the guy.

I'm doing this because I've been a fan of this man for 10 years.

To quote Robbie Williams's song "No Regrets":

I don't want to hate, but that's all you've left me with A bitter aftertaste and a fantasy of how we all could live

[salora-rainriver]

the lily orchard thing is weird because the primary callout for her that i've seen comes from a youtube channel with absolutely no sense of proportion, putting "wrote a shock fic years ago" and "featured as a character in feral furry porn" right next to "actually groomed minors" as though these are all equally bad and worthy of scorn. it makes me realize that even when we're right that someone is a bad person, we can still fall into transphobic ways of framing it

Okay full disclosure: i don’t know what youtube vid you’re talking about. I did watch A Videos on Orchard.

So first off I get the point about proportionality, theres absolutely a difference between writing stockholm and that whole stint where she encouraged a teen and an adult to “breed”, and I do agree that any callout should make the difference in severity clear,

But im not sure that, in this case, someone failing to make that distinction clear is A Transphobia. And that’s because… I’m not convinced Stockholm was intended to be a shock fic. I can definitely see where one may draw such a conclusion, I just personally feel otherwise, I feel like Stockholm is itself morally wrong. I feel the same way about it that I feel about “lolicon” art, and asking me to not mark the fic as a slight against Orchard feels odd to me, because I would be uncomfortable with Butch Hartman writing material like that. I would want to know that he wrote this, feels no remorse for writing it, intends to make media for children while having written that.

People draw their personal lines in the sand in different places, particularly when it comes to fictional depictions of That Shit. Someone’s Lolita (a harsh and uncomfortable work thats clearly not glorifying the act once you sit down and engage with it fairly) is going to be another’s [idk insert literal fucking CP here], and the wide diversity of art makes it nigh-impossible to be able to draw a line between Acceptable and Unacceptable.

And for what it’s worth, the above ^^^ is why Im frustrated with the binary framing of the pro-ship and anti-ship discourse. It just doesn’t work, even the most ardently pro-ship person is going to draw their line somewhere, and even the most ardently anti-ship is going to look at someone else’s judgement and go “but theres nothing wrong with this”. And ultimately, the two camps of pro and anti… don’t actually exist. Ask me honestly which camp I fall in and I genuinely wouldn’t be able to tell you, and if you interrogate your personal moral values and feelings about various dubious media honestly, you’ll realize that you can’t, either.

Sorry. This is a ramble. I’ll summarize:

- I think it’s important to know that Orchard wrote Stockholm, and to allow people to judge her for writing that, because many believe that works like these are morally wrong, period end of, and it’s not transmisogyny for one to judge this fic the same way they judge similar works from cishet writers.

- despite having that opinion, I do agree that the real grooming is much worse than the fic, and agree that making this distinction clear is important.

- I also think its dangerous to discuss the morality of fictional media from an all-or nothing binary framing, because the truth is we do not genuinely hold such extreme positions in real life, we all have a limit somewhere on the spectrum in either direction, which is my main frustration with pro-ship and anti-ship discourse, because you can never fully belong to either camp. Your position on the issue will be a mix of both. Pro some ships, anti other ships.

I hope thats clear? Thanks for the thoughtful ask. Also, mandatory “pls be gentle I’m the birthday girl”

[the-bar-sinister]

Why are people mad about ao3 now?

Do I wanna know?

The founder of dreamwidth and a former OTW volunteer are stirring shit about the organization's alleged mishandling of the situation wherein malicious actors were terrorizing OTW with CSAM, and the ongoing situation where malicious actors attempt to upload CSAM to the archive.

The short version is that people are mad that the OTW "forces" volunteers to deal with CSAM, ignoring the fact that all of OTW is volunteers, in favor of smearing OTW as malicious oppressors.

[candyrushsweetest]

People Don’t Understand...

AI art has most definitely used children in those inappropriate artworks.

It doesn’t matter how much that an AI “art” program wants to deny it. Millions of photos exist within those tags and photos. You don’t know where the AI is GETTING those images.

You just think you’re getting free p0rn, don’t you?

I understand that some people can’t always afford to commission an artist, but why go to a program that is exploiting children since it analyzes photos and art from the Internet?

Who is to say that you didn’t exploit and harm a kid by just generating it?

I know for a FACT that it exploits children. There are some art programs that don’t even block out the word CHILD from their generator.

They are purposefully ignoring it so they can’t claim liability when this type of “art” can exploit children to unknowing individuals without any knowledge of how AI works.

They look through databases and try to “de-fuse” the image from all those random things they found via the prompt provided.

Children might have used some of the words you put in those prompts, so you may come across something you didn’t want to.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, what’s your opinion on this?

[llitchilitchi]

i love your creeper csam design so much!!! i've been wondering, is there a specific real-life creature you were inspired by? the way you draw him feels very spider-like to me except spiders arent quadrupeds

thank you!

there wasn't really any conscious real-life inspiration going into the design as far as I remember, I just wanted to do a creeper design that wasn't a cat centaur cause those were becoming popular at the time and I thought to myself "hey, the warden is fucking terrifying, let's make him even more so"

the main influence on the design were some old concept sketches I did back before I even got into dsmp (back in 2020) when I was messing around with some creepy "biblically accurate" angel designs. this is one I was able to find

[untitledgoosegay]

The dataset included known CSAM scraped from a wide array of sources, including mainstream social media websites and popular adult video sites. [ ... ] There are methods to minimize CSAM in datasets used to train AI models, but it is challenging to clean or stop the distribution of open datasets with no central authority that hosts the actual data.

Other people in the replies have pointed out cases of AI being trained to recognize CSAM in order to automate detection and reporting -- or, in the case of image generation AI, so that the AI won't produce CSAM.

It's still a real bad look for Google, but I'm seeing people in the tags approaching QAnon-tier conspiracy shit, and it just isn't.

Hey Google what the fuck was that

[f-list-questionable]

Interesting, I sure hope this person isn't yet another shonen fan pretending their objects of lust aren't undera--

Just kidding! of course it is.

I am so tired.

[guiltywisdom]

Hi, it's the anon from before with the whole, um, CSEM art situation, I guess you could call it. I thought you might appreciate an update.

The police have launched an investigation into this. The consistency of the art makes it clear that there was another victim, but trying to pinpoint who she is will take time. At first they thought maybe it was referenced off of me, but then they found posts of the art on another site where my abuser had spoken to someone in the comments and indicated that she and I were different people (he called us "both of his girls", which is so creepy, like he thought he owned us). So they do believe me and they are looking for the other victim, because even if she doesn't want to press charges she and her family need to know that they can and know the art is still circulating.

My foster parents are pretty exasperated with me. I promised for years that I wasn't seeking out and having art of me taken down and that I wouldn't keep obsessing over it. Instead I did. My foster dad figured out the password to my laptop, looked at my internet history and was just horrified by how much time I'd been spending on this. He asked how long I was spending per day looking into things and when I said, honestly, about two hours a day, he put his head in his hands and just looked tired. He's not angry. My foster mom thinks she's to blame for not getting me more involved in more hobbies and helping me have a better social life that would keep me from doing this. We're all probably going to have to sit down and have a talk with my therapist about this.

My therapist is really disappointed that I've been lying to her about not digging into this stuff regularly, but she forgives me. She says a common trauma response is a need to please people that results in lying about your failings to them. It's more grace and kindness than I deserve, for sure.

I have actually stopped spending anxious nights curled up digging up every single image hosting site I can find looking for things, now. Now that I know there were two of us he hurt and the police are looking for the other girl, I can breathe. It's like... you know how in video games, you'll get a little message saying a quest is complete? It feels like that. Like I did what I needed to do. I still want to look things up, but then I think, well, it'll be there later when I'm less freaked out. And I know the other girl is having the crimes against her taken seriously. When I'm feeling awful and hateful about myself, I remember that and I feel like maybe I'm not useless after all. Maybe I can do good things, even if I made mistakes along the way. And no one thought I was a pervert or a freak for being on those sites and no one was angry with me. People heard me out.

If you can pray for the other girl, I think she needs it right now more than me. She was hurt for years and never got justice and I don't even know if she knows about the art or that it's circulating. And some of it makes it look like he started hurting her when she was in diapers. I can't imagine what that's like. God has put people in my life who will be there for me even when I make mistakes and do things I promised not to, who will offer up grace and understanding. I don't know if this other girl has that. I hope she does. I hope God brings nothing but blessings and justice into her life.

Sorry for such a long update. I just wanted to update you so you didn't think anything bad happened. Things went well, more or less. Now we just need to trust in God for justice for the other victim of this awful pedophile.

I'm glad things are working out my sibling in Christ, I'm happy that you have these people in your life who care about you; you do deserve kindness and grace, everyone does. Hopefully this can be taken care of and you can move past this all and direct your energy towards something you truly enjoy. I'll pray for everyone involved. Christ is Risen.